"Learn Bitcoin" is silent when farmed account queries are raised

[yahoo62278]

If he disappears and screws over participants I think Royse and his vouch and willingness to hide the guy deserve him to be on the hook. Opinions?

WOW Yahoo, you know it was insulting when you are even saying it. It feels very wrong. It sounds BS. With the similar insult I can return the BS but I would like to believe that your moral level is still in better condition than JG, although you are showing signs of influenced by JG's trash. Considering your health condition I really need to forgive you however I will suggest you to control your hyper tension. You are becoming too hyper to prove that you are not living in fear. What fear? What happened to you?

To be honest, I was expecting a constructive reply of the answer of your "Why". But you came with such a BS statement and asking opinions. I am offended and I feel you are challenging my business reputation. Where have I vouched for Learn Bitcoin (to be liable of his financial deals with his clients in case he screws up)? Find it and quote it.

willingness to hide

If there is any secret and if I know anything about it then I have all my rights to keep it secret, I don't like witch hunting, I don't do it, it's not my job - is there a problem? I know many secretes of many users (that does not mean if I believe any of them will wrong do with money, scam others then I will not speak about it. As long as the secret is not about any scam then it's good for me to keep the secret "a secret".) of the forum. Knowing secrets is very normal for campaign managers. You are a campaign manager and I challenge you that you don't know any secret of any user yet.

I'm not trying to insult anyone and my opinion is mine, I'd appreciate you respecting that. You got a problem with Jollygood then address it with him. I believe my morals are 100% in tact here as well. I am looking out for the forum, not my pocket!!! I don't understand your statement about fear, feel free to elaborate what you mean there and I will answer, but as it's worded I am a little confused.

Knowing secrets is very normal for campaign managers. [...]

I agree with this part. As long as any secret a manager knows doesn't border on fraud, keeping it confidential is, first and foremost, a matter of good business ethics.

I also agree that some of us probably know more on others then the rest of the community. I certainly am not saying royse should out every single person he has a secret on, but in this particular case I feel like he is harboring a fugitive so to speak. The naim account has 13 tags on it last I looked and that user does not deserve to be in this community.

Ban evasion (might be moot since the ban was somehow lifted at least for the naim account, i'd have to check all the alts)
cheating campaigns with alts
Plagiarism
merit abuse

Who knows what the user will do if circumstances turn bad for them. Because they are not doing bad on this account we should just let it be? I'm not so sure, maybe as a regular user I could be convinced to let it be. All those behaviors I mentioned above make him worthy to be a campaign manager? Really?

Learn Bitcoin" is a campaign manager without any scamming record yet (regarding the debate of he is Naim027  or someone else as a person). He has and is still managing serval campaigns successfully.

I am glad he has not taken money YET, but still the question becomes should he be given the chance to?

I know for a fact that the person behind "Learn Bitcoin" will continue under another name.

this statement leads me to believe 100% you know it is naim027. Again I ask why protect him? What about his previous behaviors on the naim account makes you feel he is trustworthy?

If he is Naim027 then you are forcing him to start over everything perhaps he will even become more desperate and become a scammer

This can be prevented but you think it's morally wrong to share a secret.

As a campaign manager, I always wanted to see more managers to come and make this business better. But unfortunately there is this secret hates between some of us. One day you think the other manager is good friend to you but next day you discover he was talking behind your back. You find him jealous because he is losing campaigns for you. You were supposed to improve your service but you chose not to.

Just for clarification I am not doing anything behind your back, I am writing this in public so you can dispute and have your opinion heard. I have 0 intention of trying to attack you although I feel like you telling me to control my hyper tension is some sort of threat. You don't scare me if so. I barely look for new clients as I am doing ok without them. Your theory on we need more managers does baffle me, but you can feel however you want.

I am speaking up for a promising manager here.

This looks like a vouch to me.

Now, there is a small chance I am wrong. I strongly believe I am not.

My comment about you vouching and being on the hook was me replying to the hugeblack question. If you have no worries about him scamming then you being on the hook shouldn't bother you.

[nutildah]

2. If he is Naim027 then you are forcing him to start over everything perhaps he will even become more desperate and become a scammer (I can not recall there was any accusation about Naim027 as a scammer). If he scam then you are creating a scammer.

For some reason I didn't see this earlier but this is a terrible reason to avoid tagging someone: the spectre of "creating a scammer." So if we're nice to him then he will be nice enough not to scam us? LOL.

If you actually believe tagging his account would set him over the edge and make him turn 100% scammer, that's a great reason to stop defending him and start distancing yourself from him.

What is more likely to happen instead is the self-appointed "watchers" of this community will slowly identify and confirm his alt accounts, they will once again be busted, and the work put into them will once again go waste.

The forum has repeatedly rejected this person for a number of valid reasons, I don't really understand why you keep bothering to assert that they belong here.

[Satofan44]

The forum has repeatedly rejected this person for a number of valid reasons, I don't really understand why you keep bothering to assert that they belong here.

It is quite strange to vouch for someone like that. Nobody is entitled to the forum, and the forum will be fine without Naim027 and many other people like that. That someone does not want to stay away after being firmly rejected just shows malicious intent on their side. You can't reinvent yourself under a new alias for a place that does not want you, that is just shady no matter how good you behave under the new alias.

[inspace]

I don't know how to find out what campaign this is, but naim027 and God Of Thunder both received payments in this transaction.

https://mempool.space/ru/tx/d4c7fb31e85bc5a6db6da474b19ffa428b5a052746f8eae3b0075e93574e3956

I assumed it was a campaign because the other Bitcoin addresses belonged to different users.

And here are their BTC addy.

Bitcoin Address(SegWit): bc1qqrnus8u66ma9avncyct55tu7p3c8lnlwn3fczc

John Abraham (address: bc1q3652jcryqgy0l38unay7tx69h56a865z6t8ndx) is sending coins to naim027's address: bc1q9t788wr0adc4v3t3k8yv02dapn8942qxagrsaa, which belongs to a Binance wallet (Binance exchange deposit address unique to each user), claiming that he was selling his BTC for USD. Using the same explanation, he withdraws coins from the Whirlwind mixer to the same Binance deposit address.

[hugeblack]

Will adding negative trust affect the payments of members participating in active campaigns?

I noticed that one of the campaigns was relaunched with a new manager, and the other campaign's payments are managed through the website, so I added negative trust.

This is a mod/administration decision as much as it is a dt trust rating issue.

Mods rarely intervenes to ban alt accounts, and this is something that is difficult to prove if Tor was used.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I noticed that one of the campaigns was relaunched with a new manager, and the other campaign's payments are managed through the website, so I added negative trust.

I was going to comment on this. I am participating in the Bitz.io campaign and today I noticed that Little Mouse started another thread. We haven't had any problems with the weekly payments so far but probably the red tags make it impossible for God of Thunder to continue managing campaigns.

My guess is that he will pay us for this week and then will stop managing campaigns but you never know.

[hugeblack]

My guess is that he will pay us for this week and then will stop managing campaigns but you never know.

That's pretty much what will happen. 

[yahoo62278]

Will adding negative trust affect the payments of members participating in active campaigns?

I noticed that one of the campaigns was relaunched with a new manager, and the other campaign's payments are managed through the website, so I added negative trust.

This is a mod/administration decision as much as it is a dt trust rating issue.

Mods rarely intervenes to ban alt accounts, and this is something that is difficult to prove if Tor was used.

I liked the way you worded your feedback so i deleted mine and copied yours.

As stated before there is a small chance my opinion is wrong. He has 4 tags for now so that is plenty, everyone doesn't need to go tagging for now. I think this whole thing escalated very fast and possibly could have been avoided. The evidence by Nutildah was pretty strong though and hard to deny. It took me a few days to decide to tag the guy, royse did not help him IMO but rather his words hurt him more in my eyes.

I am open to reconsidering as he has contacted me on tg. Let's see if he can convince me. I could have jumped the gun here, but we shall see. Wouldn't be the 1st time.

[LoyceV]

If you actually believe tagging his account would set him over the edge and make him turn 100% scammer, that's a great reason to stop defending him and start distancing yourself from him.

In my experience, many people are willing to act honest as long as there's a greater reward that way. The moment the benefits disappear, they show their true character.

[AB de Royse777]

I'm not trying to insult anyone and my opinion is mine, I'd appreciate you respecting that. You got a problem with Jollygood then address it with him. I believe my morals are 100% in tact here as well. I am looking out for the forum, not my pocket!!!

I believe my moral is 100% in tact too. We all are looking out for the forum and the community that makes the forum. I don't see the reason to bring your pocket here. JollyGood is not better than a trash to me, he does not bother me all the time. He might have problems with me. Since you admit that your try was not to insult me, I believe you and let it bury here.

I don't understand your statement about fear, feel free to elaborate what you mean there and I will answer, but as it's worded I am a little confused.

I have no problem tagging any user on this forum. I do not live in fear of anyone taking away this or that.

Let me know if you are still confused.

I also agree that some of us probably know more on others then the rest of the community.

It can't be a myth now and no one can tell that it came only from my mouth. We keep secrets but let's just assume Naim027 is Learn Bitcoin and let's assume it is one of the secret I know like many secrets left by many to me:

in this particular case I feel like he is harboring a fugitive so to speak. The naim account has 13 tags on it last I looked and that user does not deserve to be in this community.

Ban evasion (might be moot since the ban was somehow lifted at least for the naim account, i'd have to check all the alts)
cheating campaigns with alts
Plagiarism
merit abuse

Who knows what the user will do if circumstances turn bad for them. Because they are not doing bad on this account we should just let it be? I'm not so sure, maybe as a regular user I could be convinced to let it be. All those behaviors I mentioned above make him worthy to be a campaign manager? Really?

I am glad he has not taken money YET, but still the question becomes should he be given the chance to?

this statement leads me to believe 100% you know it is naim027. Again I ask why protect him? What about his previous behaviors on the naim account makes you feel he is trustworthy?

For a witch hunter even a merit abuse could be a way to go and tag user here and there but for someone like me who believes in people can change if they are given enough time to change - these are minor. To me major offense is breaking a financial deal, scamming others money, stealing from others. Some very specific users of this community are too authoritative towards brand new accounts and low ranks - which creates people like Naim027. Can you deny this truth?

Our opinion don't need to be same, if you feel I am protecting¹ Naim027 and Naim027 is Learn Bitcoin (again assuming it's one of the many secrets that many users share with me) then you must respect it that I still find him worthy of this community for this reason I am still keeping this secret. The day I will discover he has intention to break a financial deal, an ill intention to scam - that day I will share the secret and the first one to tag him. If I miss and if he eventually scams then you can not make me liable because I am not saying Naim027 is not Learn Bitcoin nor saying Naim027 is Learn Bitcoin. You can not make me liable just because I kept a secret, I expect you respect my moral. Let the witch hunters to do their job, I am not a part of them.  

Just for clarification I am not doing anything behind your back, I am writing this in public so you can dispute and have your opinion heard. I have 0 intention of trying to attack you although

Respect is mutual and I believe you. Regarding the "behind' your back" - I believe you 100% without any doubt. I wish some of the other managers had this same philosophy, we would have a better industry then.

I feel like you telling me to control my hyper tension is some sort of threat. You don't scare me if so. I barely look for new clients as I am doing ok without them. Your theory on we need more managers does baffle me, but you can feel however you want.

Again this same thing - "fear"/"threat"/trying to prove yourself. Knowing your health condition this really I meant in the positive way not as a threat.

Protecting¹: Better say I am showing interest to write (these days I don't explore the forum much except it is anything related to campaigns). You are feeling I am "protecting" because you are seeing I am contently making post in this topic of this new development starting here. Have you noticed how was I invited (here, here) constantly in this topic to write? JollyGood has his problems with me and he wants me to look bad in anything that I do. Without him this community would have more loyal members who would truly stick to this community and never felt to leave this community.

For some reason I didn't see this earlier but this is a terrible reason to avoid tagging someone: the spectre of "creating a scammer." So if we're nice to him then he will be nice enough not to scam us? LOL.

LOL you made me laugh. You know that's not what I meant LOL

[mindrust]

Royse777’s approach makes sense too. Many people use alt accounts without declaring the acc name and their intention to use one (the reason could be anything. From expressing an unpopular opinion to scamming people) and the admin doesn’t come out of the woods, post ip logs and say: “these accounts are alts. Burn em.”

Most of the time the admins don’t bother to ban ban-evading accounts until dt makes some noise.

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However, if you are going to keep secrets, then it also doesn’t make sense to be in the dt because these 2 roles contradict each other and that goes for many sig camp managers.

[nutildah]

For some reason I didn't see this earlier but this is a terrible reason to avoid tagging someone: the spectre of "creating a scammer." So if we're nice to him then he will be nice enough not to scam us? LOL.

LOL you made me laugh. You know that's not what I meant LOL

I don't know what you meant, but what I do know is acquiescing to a liar's demands because they might turn bad if you don't is pure cowardice.

2. If he is Naim027 then you are forcing him to start over everything perhaps he will even become more desperate and become a scammer (I can not recall there was any accusation about Naim027 as a scammer). If he scam then you are creating a scammer.

Sorry but this is flat out bullshit no matter how you dice it and frankly I don't understand why you would ever say something like this.


I'm just appalled that you would infer that someone under your guidance, hired by you, vouched by you, etc., has a chance of scamming people on the forum if we tag his account. Do you really not see any kind of problem with this?

[lovesmayfamilis]

It is quite strange to vouch for someone like that. Nobody is entitled to the forum, and the forum will be fine without Naim027 and many other people like that. That someone does not want to stay away after being firmly rejected just shows malicious intent on their side. You can't reinvent yourself under a new alias for a place that does not want you, that is just shady no matter how good you behave under the new alias.

The forum has a rather mystical affinity with people, especially when they gain some financial benefit from it. There are many examples of accounts that were blocked or negatively tagged resurrecting under new nicknames. Anyone who has been on the forum for a while and left against their will inevitably returns, and with a scammer like Naim027, this is to be expected.

nutildah announced this news quite a while ago, claiming to know an alternate account named Naim027, which he then claimed had been "reclassified" as a decent user. It's been a while; I imagine the alt-account Naim027 spent several sleepless nights reading this warning, trying to figure out all the mistakes he made to prevent and avoid this news.

Ultimately, we'll see a continuation of this story in the future, as the scammer has likely planted his "tentacles" on several more accounts, having already been exposed, having been exposed several times,times, and having experience.

I'm just appalled that you would infer that someone under your guidance, hired by you, vouched by you, etc., has a chance of scamming people on the forum if we tag his account. Do you really not see any kind of problem with this?

The only point in protecting someone on the internet is that this protection will be intended exclusively for oneself; it’s hard to imagine anything else.

[JollyGood]

I was looking for his reply but just as I expected, AB de Royse777 aka Royse777 decided to ignore your post.

He certainly is not incapable of giving a YES/NO reply, he could have answered. I mean just look at the walls of (nonsense) text he posted to yahoo62278 and nutildah. If he can post that drivel then he could have answered you too.

The factual answer to your question is "NO" but if he decides to answer will he finally tell the truth? I doubt it.

Knowing secrets is very normal for campaign managers. [...]

I agree with this part. As long as any secret a manager knows doesn't border on fraud, keeping it confidential is, first and foremost, a matter of good business ethics.

I cannot recall if the Royse777 account changed hands during the period it was accepted in the forum, or whether it was after accounts being traded began to be frowned upon.

Let's just ask him about it. Despite some aspects, I think he's an honest guy and has no reason to ignore this issue.

R7, are you the same person who registered the account in 2014? A simple YES/NO.

[Mahdirakib]

There is no doubt in my mind he is naim027. As I pointed out earlier in this thread, they not only share the same usernames but the same BSC address... There's plenty of other commonalities I could point to, like they both use the same uncommon phrases, same style of writing, same level of English, same personality -- they're both extremely egotistical. Not to mention both accounts are world-class suckups. But it should be unnecessary to mention these things given the username and address connections. This is the same standard I (and probably some others) would hold to any account on the forum.

Yeah, it is pretty much clear that he is 'naim027'. You have highlighted enough evidence in those two posts. As always, he was trying to deny the truth. But your second post (address connection) was enough to hammer the final nail in his coffin. In the meantime, we have made him aware of his mistakes by pointing them out. He will try his best to avoid these mistakes in the future.

I doubt that we will be able to stop him completely. He knows very well how to earn merits and where to get them easily. Most probably, he also knows how to gain the trust of other users and become a DT member quickly. Without any doubt, he will be back with more accounts.

[nutildah]

I doubt that we will be able to stop him completely. He knows very well how to earn merits and where to get them easily. Most probably, he also knows how to gain the trust of other users and become a DT member quickly. Without any doubt, he will be back with more accounts.

Sad but true. I don't think he'll ever actually learn the lesson or see the signs the universe is providing for him. If he's an actual sociopath then I don't think he's intellectually capable of it. And so long as there are merit sources that enjoy a good ball washing and DT that enjoy a good trust scratching, it will be easy for him to climb the ranks, because he has no problem capitalizing on the goodwill, generosity or weakness of others.

He's probably already back under other accounts BTW, or never left.

[Free Market Capitalist]

Lol. A couple of merits by El duderino_ have made me reread the first posts of the thread where yahoo62278 and I had an argument. Funny to see that he's ended up red tagging Learn Bitcoin, nowadays God of Thunder. Also, I when I opened this thread I mentioned AB de Royse777 having suspicions that airfinex and I were alts but I didn't remember exactly where that happened. Just seen that it's on page 1 of this thread as well.

I keep eating popcorn here.

I've also been thinking about red tagging God of Thunder, but I'm going to refrain from doing so for now. On the one hand, the JG FMC tag combo usually has no more effect than a single tag. If, for example, a manager ignores the JG tag, he will also ignore the combo tag.

Although I would say that lately I'm becoming more conservative with my tags. I don't come to this section as much because all this stuff bores me, or I don't find it so interesting as before if you will.

On the other hand, I think that, as Yahoo says, four red tags seem sufficient for now.

Let's see how this unfolds.

[God Of Thunder]

To all in this thread,

I did not defend for a reason, and I know that I have some responsibility for what happened.
I am not going to tell anything that you wouldn't believe because I am linked to someone who has a bad forum background, and some of you might have personal problems as well.

Why do you think I am a trade risk, and I deserve negative feedback on my profile, even though I have been here for over three years, without cheating any campaigns, competitions, or giveaways? Why do you think I am a trade risk even though I do not operate any alt accounts, did not scam anyone, and did not abuse the forum features?

I have managed seven signature campaigns and some other promotional campaigns for three more brands. I have had approximately $ 10,000 in escrow during the pick (I still have over $ 4,000 in escrow), and I have always provided the documents of the expenses to my clients. They were happy when I returned the leftover funds or extended the campaign with the leftover funds. I have at least three more campaigns in the pipeline and those brands barely knew about this forum.

After realizing that there are four negative feedback on my profile from the DT network, can't I disappear with that $4000 seeing that my profile value is zero? How do you think you are helping the forum by tagging me while I am not a trading risk?

As I said before, the campaign participants will be paid regardless of my forum reputation. So don't worry about the negative feedback. Feel free to add one. But I would love to hear your opinion about what motivates you to tag my profile.

[Satofan44]

As I said before, the campaign participants will be paid regardless of my forum reputation. So don't worry about the negative feedback. Feel free to add one. But I would love to hear your opinion about what motivates you to tag my profile.

You are naim027, and you are a liar -- you can't be trusted. Whatever name you appear under again, once you are found out again you will be tagged. The forum has rejected you, the person. No amount of aliases will change that. You have not learned a single honest thing since your original account was exposed and red tagged. With a proper admission you could have had some chance to eventually redeem yourself, but that train has left the station too. Instead you continue with deception.

How do you think you are helping the forum by tagging me while I am not a trading risk?

You reap what you sow, next time think twice before abusing trust. Now this just makes you look like a desperate hypocrite.

[lovesmayfamilis]

As I said before, the campaign participants will be paid regardless of my forum reputation. So don't worry about the negative feedback. Feel free to add one. But I would love to hear your opinion about what motivates you to tag my profile.

It would have been more honest if you hadn't hidden your identity and had immediately said you were ready for change three years ago. Although, of course, following the rules, you shouldn't have been here back then, but the moderators didn't ban you. Trust is very hard to earn but is very quickly lost. You've just experienced this yourself. There's too much evidence against you, despite your insistence that you've changed and so on. Anyone who deceives once will deceive twice and more. People here aren't just elementary school kids; they've also had some life experience.
You need to learn the hard way that in society, you need to respect everyone; lies, you know, like shit, always come to light.