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December 23, 2024, 01:32:37 PM
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So, I'm not the only forum member who thinks 'Learn Bitcoin' is the alt of 'naim027'. Looks like none of us found any strong evidences to prove what we think. I had done a little investigation after this post of 'nutildah'.

My investigation was based on the merit sending activity. He had sent a merit to wintomato on the 7th June of 2023. JohnTwice account was created on the same day and started to work as Wintomato representative from the same day. The username of the account is similar to one of the alt account of 'naim027' (John Abraham ~ JohnTwice).

There was another reason to suspect him as 'naim027'. He had sent some merits to StarBets representative account (check). Most of those merits were sent to random posts of StarBets account (not merit worthy post). 'naim027' had the habit of merit transferring in such way. Some alts of 'naim027' had also sent merit to StarBets account. 'decodx' had pointed out some reasons to show that StarBets account was operated by 'naim027'.

Anyway, the promotional related posts were being made within a few minutes gap from both of those casino representative account (Wintomato and StarBets) since 9 June 2023. Which had made me believe that both of those accounts were operated by 'naim027'. And I think 'Learn Bitcoin' is somehow connected to 'naim027' for the above reasons.

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December 23, 2024, 02:48:04 PM
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I am going to put the entire Reputation section on ignore until 2025. The drama hadn't even started yet and I've already had two people get mad at me for suggesting something obvious. So I'll leave the drama for those of you who are in the mood for it.

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December 23, 2024, 03:05:22 PM
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I am going to put the entire Reputation section on ignore until 2025. The drama hadn't even started yet and I've already had two people get mad at me for suggesting something obvious. So I'll leave the drama for those of you who are in the mood for it.

People getting mad isn't a part of drama?
I wanted to pour some chilly oil into this whole dish, but something stopped me, a memory from childhood related to some family member and drugs...

P.S. What will you do if your statements offend people even after your return just because they're on drugs or too emotional? Will you go on another retreat and hope same people won't get offended by what you say?
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December 23, 2024, 06:37:01 PM
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I have no idea who Naim027 is, but I can say that when I saw this thread I remembered that one of the Starbets employees mentioned this name in the work chat in the context of this user having access to their corporate account. From what I understood from the conversation, he was doing some work for them .. maybe announcements or something like that. I don't have any archives of the chat because it was about two years ago.
Now that you mention it, I think he was even given access to the Starbets login and even posted using their account for a while (as he was their employee). I think that was mentioned in one of the previous threads related to him.

Most of the time, when people defend someone in public then, there are the following reasons I have seen:
1. They don't want something to happen to them that has happened to the person they're defending.
2. They're close.
3. They've business deals (Can be shown in private or not, depending on many factors).
I like the way you summed this up. For reasons never understood or known, Royse is a long standing supporter and employer of Naim027. He has Naim027 employed to check the spreadsheets and quota count.

One key thing to note is that it was not known which other account (or accounts) he was using before he purchased/hacked his Royse account from the original Russian account creator, but there are suspicions he is from Bangladesh. We know naim027 is from Bangladesh therefore that brotherly bond between the two could based on that.

Not everything can be proven but some of us already connected some of the dots.

Anyways, there's another person Royse was defending in the past who got accused of scamming a good chunk from bounty (Advice to reform was given, but the guy straight out exited the convo with F**K You attitude), but due to lack of evidence and slippery tactics, the person got away. I have no problem with it; people around me in real life use these tactics more effectively than people here do online.
I am glad you have mentioned this. If I have time I will try to find the posts you allude to otherwise feel free to send a PM if you do not want to mention it publicly. It was not that long ago he was defending naim027 therefore nothing he does would not surprise me.

So, I'm not the only forum member who thinks 'Learn Bitcoin' is the alt of 'naim027'. Looks like none of us found any strong evidences to prove what we think. I had done a little investigation after this post of 'nutildah'.

My investigation was based on the merit sending activity. He had sent a merit to wintomato on the 7th June of 2023. JohnTwice account was created on the same day and started to work as Wintomato representative from the same day. The username of the account is similar to one of the alt account of 'naim027' (John Abraham ~ JohnTwice).

There was another reason to suspect him as 'naim027'. He had sent some merits to StarBets representative account (check). Most of those merits were sent to random posts of StarBets account (not merit worthy post). 'naim027' had the habit of merit transferring in such way. Some alts of 'naim027' had also sent merit to StarBets account. 'decodx' had pointed out some reasons to show that StarBets account was operated by 'naim027'.

Anyway, the promotional related posts were being made within a few minutes gap from both of those casino representative account (Wintomato and StarBets) since 9 June 2023. Which had made me believe that both of those accounts were operated by 'naim027'. And I think 'Learn Bitcoin' is somehow connected to 'naim027' for the above reasons.
You are definitely not the only one who believes "Learn Bitcoin" is one of several farmed accounts belonging to naim027. Thank you for compiling the information in your informative post.

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December 23, 2024, 07:15:07 PM
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One key thing to note is that it was not known which other account (or accounts) he was using before he purchased/hacked his Royse account from the original Russian account creator, but there are suspicions he is from Bangladesh. We know naim027 is from Bangladesh therefore that brotherly bond between the two could based on that.

Not everything can be proven but some of us already connected some of the dots.

What they chat about in private cannot be proven, yes. But the actions they do, the way they talk, and the things that inspire them can be linked very quickly; at this point, it's a habit that will run in a loop; if they change it after reading this, you can notice that, too.

Anyways, there's another person Royse was defending in the past who got accused of scamming a good chunk from bounty (Advice to reform was given, but the guy straight out exited the convo with F**K You attitude), but due to lack of evidence and slippery tactics, the person got away. I have no problem with it; people around me in real life use these tactics more effectively than people here do online.
I am glad you have mentioned this. If I have time I will try to find the posts you allude to otherwise feel free to send a PM if you do not want to mention it publicly. It was not that long ago he was defending naim027 therefore nothing he does would not surprise me.

I am not familiar with naim027's case, but with rabbit, lm, and royse. recently, I made a connection in an AI-generated text thread.



User: hedgehog1 (Started defending LM when Igebotz gave an overview of gambling posters)

But atleast you can always credit a good manager for his works and I know little mouse no doubt is one.

Is this a thread where you report AI spam or give credit?


Anyone can look up your history and..... nvm | Just my observation of sockpuppeting: 2 usernames above my posts are mammal-inspired, There's also a 3rd mammal username (Rabbit) you can look up in history.
If it's a sockpuppet then boasting about your main, and saying "But atleast you can always credit a good manager" is the lowest of low.

Questions your post readers should be asking about you after reading your post:
- Knowing over-average about the forum being a newbie.
- Becoming active after a month (From Gambling,Services board directly to ---> Reputation Board) , to defend someone then going offline.

I can post even more, but I will stop here.

User: lgalga (Newbie giving, or pretending to be giving evidence to Royse "Friend of LittleMouse" [Can easily be checked with their public communication style])
Royse also tried to get Small Rabbit reformed and didn't disclose his info, even when he scammed over 10k USD.
But the reply of Small Rabbit was: He fks DTs on this forum and has another account to manage bounties/campaigns (At this point you can very easily guess who that person might be when you read Mammals comparison at the bottom of this post."
If I remember correctly then Small Rabbit deleted that post, but someone Quoted the archived version on Loyce's Club website.

Small Rabbit and Little Mouse

These two men are one and the same, a big thief
I have all the evidence

Royse777
I give you all the evidence

When Royse got that info of Small Rabbit from lgala or from someone else, then did they disclose it?: No


Both Little Mouse and Small Rabbit use "Dear" it does prove that they both are from Asian countries



LittleMouse, RapTarX (connection I made in past): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5228825.msg58168075#msg58168075



1. Small Rabbit
2. Little Mouse  
3. hedgehog1 (Defending Little Mouse in AI generated content reports, and telling others to give praise to Little Mouse)

Now interesting fact: All three (1,2,3) of these usernames are all Mammals



Now here (Could be coincidence)

hacker1001101001 joined to protect littlemouse (Just like hedgehog did, awoke after a long inactivity)
Lauda has mentioned on RapTarX's profile

Accounts connected: Little Mouse (UUID = 2344286), RapTarX (UUID = 2530429).
Deception. Multi-accounting. One of two accounts is either farmed up or the result of account trading.

Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2530429

Hacker uses the username "hacker1001101001" (Most likely a rushed username, inserting 1001101001 after the username (could be binary too) | Small Rabbit's Telegram username (looks rushed too, for a quick exit scam): @Rabbit2233 (Link)

Now this Small Rabbit's username resembles Chinese/Japanese text characters, but The China blocked Binance in September 2017. So Small Rabbit did it intentionally to hide that he might not be from Bangladesh,
He cannot use Binance to pull this scam when it's banned in his region (Based on his telegram current username, someone else might be operating that username too but it's been inactive for a very long time so chances of being that is Slim). But it proves one thing: Small Rabbit cannot be from China like his current telegram text indicates.







It's also worth noting these usernames came to the Aid of Small Rabbit after a long period of inactivity in accusation cases against him.
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Regarding merits ... I can say that jeremypwr often invites me via PM to take part in various contests. I also invite many users, and since such PMs are rhetorical in nature, sending merits is a sign of good ethics... a kind of signal that I saw the PM, and appreciate the invitation, the time spent and the work done. So I wouldn't be surprised if LB received messages from Starbets, and also showed good business ethics by sending merits.

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I do not mean to imply any contradiction to your comments but I think there is far more going on here than what you alluded to. Why would Starbets pick him out to send PMs rather than other members?

Keeping that aside, when it becomes a matter of infiltrating DT either by design, default or unintentionally it becomes a far more serious issue than just having several farmed accounts enrolled in various campaigns. I would go as far as to confidently state that Royse is probably aware of all if not most of the accounts in the naim027 farm by virtue of defending him when literally nobody else did. On top of that Royse is employing him as his sidekick to check spreadsheets and quotas therefore though not conclusive, there is reason to believe they have a strong bond.

Regarding merits ... I can say that jeremypwr often invites me via PM to take part in various contests. I also invite many users, and since such PMs are rhetorical in nature, sending merits is a sign of good ethics... a kind of signal that I saw the PM, and appreciate the invitation, the time spent and the work done. So I wouldn't be surprised if LB received messages from Starbets, and also showed good business ethics by sending merits.

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December 24, 2024, 04:23:13 AM
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A while back a post was made by Poker Player effectively stating he had suspicions that the Learn Bitcoin account was being operated by a known chief manipulator and multiple account operator (naim027). For those that might have no idea of the background to this matter, here is the post in question:


Overall, what are the general views within the community on this matter?

Like the old story, you don't even have any evidence to reopen the case. It's just your assumption because he didn't reply to your messages.

Maybe you should learn how the legal system works, how to reopen old cases, find new evidence/novum. Ah, it seems like I'm talking to a rock, I doubt your brain capacity from the past, present, and future.

So? Continue your assumptions with the logic of perception, and perception is always subjective.


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 There are sometimes when people just like to raise dust. The accused individual has stated like you mentioned that he has no interest in defending himself on this matter so why don't you drop it? This won't be the last time that we see cases of farmed accounts or people with questionable behavior so bringing it up here for discussion will not make the person change or make the issue stop so sometimes these threads aren't necessary. Except it's your plan to make some of the users on here bring up their old beefs with the other forum members.

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December 24, 2024, 02:26:03 PM
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JG are nonsense that's why the topic came to this far.  
Poker Players seems to have some sense left but JG you are indeed empty and proving it again and again. Responding you is waste of time. I will leave you to live in your imagination, uninterrupted. Dream well.


When Royse got that info of Small Rabbit from lgala or from someone else, then did they disclose it?: No
This is something from long ago. So I had to follow the lead to refresh the mind. It seems some random account started to create later and was posting that he sent me and LoyceV PM. I can not remember if I received PM or not, my inbox is 208 pages long. Somewhere I said if Binance asked the details then I would give. But right now it seems I have nothing (links, docs anything) left.

Whole point is what do you expect? Disclose the information to who?

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Last edit: December 25, 2024, 04:40:00 PM by worldofcoins
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Whole point is what do you expect? Disclose the information to who?

To the OP this This Topic | FastReward
The poor guy was dependent on Binance to provide his address and police case, without knowing why would Binance go through the hassle and work of it, But you were waiting for Binance to contact you before you provide info, why's that?

You could've given his address to FastReward after Small Rabbit Made this statement.
Sorry all Forum members for Here to make noise. I did not have the mentality to scam. But Coz the NEWINU team harassed me and treated me badly, I was forced to do it.

I can laugh at it "He was forced to scam" first time I am hearing this.

I corrected myself: It was 25k scammed, not a mere 10-15k.



You were too concerned for SmallRabbit's future the way you were giving moral speech at the time,
Did Small Rab. Follow your advice: I think not.

But he scammed $25,000 in something INU-INO project and faked the screenshot, PLUS blaming the FastReward for harassing him. It was deception, scam, and betrayal simultaneously for the project he was entrusted to work on. If he's LittleMouse (Which I believe he is, You don't even have to look for more comparisons): If you look at the Blockchain and Mammal Username comparison I made,

If user Hedgehog can protect LittleMouse and tell others to praise him for being a good campaign manager (Being his alt), In that case, you can be sure what he did to the INU project he can and will do to any other, given the anonymity and chance.

The fact is: You're seen protecting both these users, Little Mouse and Small Rabbit - If you were/are aware that Little Mouse and Small Rabbit are the same person, then it makes you guilty as well.
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December 25, 2024, 05:16:33 PM
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To the OP this This Topic | FastReward
The poor guy was dependent on Binance to provide his address and police case, without knowing why would Binance go through the hassle and work of it, But you were waiting for Binance to contact you before you provide info, why's that?
Stop blaming me for nothing. The way you take a case and I see a case is not the same. You have no string attached in the forum accept the username and I maintain a serious business in the community so when I do something I have to be more careful with what will be the consequences. When handling with personal identity, no one is above the law. I can not share information with random people and can not risk myself in any unwanted legal harassments.

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The fact is: You're seen protecting both these users, Little Mouse and Small Rabbit - If you were/are aware that Little Mouse and Small Rabbit are the same person, then it makes you guilty as well.
I don't know why skillfully you are attaching Little Mouse with this Small Rabbit case but it seems you are asking me indirectly giving information of if Little Mouse and Small Rabbit is the same person. Little Mouse was the one who bought the case in front of me first and helped me to get information at that time. Considering his action against Small Rabbit, I can tell that they are not the same person.

To be honest the way you are twisting your logics between Little Mouse and Small Rabbit which all are propaganda, after knowing that they are not same person now you will try to drive everything in another direction because you do not care to take what I say and what not.

Merry Christmas to everyone who found this post to have their time.

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December 25, 2024, 05:30:15 PM
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To be honest the way you are twisting your logics between Little Mouse and Small Rabbit which all are propaganda, after knowing that they are not same person now you will try to drive everything in another direction because you do not care to take what I say and what not.

Am I twisting the Blockchain and Mammal comparison as well?, You don't even need logic to understand it.

Concerning your serious business on forum quote: You cannot use that as an excuse to protect scammers, I haven't had the time to look at BitLucy case but a brief gaze showed me a lot.
There's another with your management: Spiroll (I lost around 10$, a small amount testing out the app) anyways i don't expect anyone to return that amount, But I lost it to the project under your management | If you care so much about what data you release then you should also be taking the full responsibilities for the projects you manage here.

Stop blaming me for nothing. The way you take a case and I see a case is not the same. You have no string attached in the forum accept the username and I maintain a serious business in the community so when I do something I have to be more careful what will be the consequences. When handling with personal identity, no one is above the law. I can not share information with random people and can not risk myself in any unwanted legal harassments.

Ok, It's proven Rabbit scammed.
- You got the documents.
- You guided/threatened Small Rabbit to return the amount with statement, what rabbit is doing is illegal and he will face consequences if doesn't comply with your request, ok.
- The thing I don't understand is - Why on earth would someone provide you the Adress and documents of Scammer (Small Rabbit) rather than giving it straight to the person who got scammed - I fail to understand this. | What would the Document provider has to gain by proving those documents to 3rd party rather than providing it straight to the person who got scammed ---- The doc. provider also had a good chance to get some money from FastReward for doing it (Given he makes a law case and gets his 25k$ back).... Why did the document provider choose you? - Who were you to Small Rabbit (Scammer) or FastReward (Scammed) - The way you acted on the thread made sure you knew Either Small Rabbit or FastReward.
I really fail to understand this, please enlighten us if you could.



https://ninjastic.space/address/0xcC262DCc6b6cCd1BD0B46841850AA2daF375360B

If you check the link above, then - You will find | Small Rabbit & Nekin3 using those |
This is the same address FastReward sent 30+ BNB for the Bounty.

You will also find User Nekim praising SmallRabbit in previous posts (If you look at archive posts).



Well, the user Nekim is not thanking Small Rabbit... He's saying thank you to traders and, by mistake, mentioning his username below Thank you, which is "Small Rabbit" (Another account, another deception)

The user nekim3 deleted all his posts on the forum, he did it or the moderators (I am not sure)
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December 25, 2024, 06:16:26 PM
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- The thing I don't understand is - Why on earth would someone provide you the Adress and documents of Scammer (Small Rabbit) rather than giving it straight to the person who got scammed - I fail to understand this. | What would the Document provider has to gain by proving those documents to 3rd party rather than providing it straight to the person who got scammed ---- The doc. provider also had a good chance to get some money from FastReward for doing it (Given he makes a law case and gets his 25k$ back).... Why did the document provider choose you? - Who were you to Small Rabbit (Scammed) or FastReward (Scammed)
I really fail to understand this, please enlighten us if you could.
I was considering to ignore you just like JG in this thread but thankfully something which make sense and this is a good question indeed.

Is it secret that we campaign managers do communicate with each others every now and then? Yes, with only icopress I don't go along because I don't think his moral has any standard but with the rest, personally I have very close relation and we look after each others, say HI to each others, share little things with each others. We always have our agreements and disagreements but that do not effect our social relationships.

It's very simple, Little Mouse was not comfortable to involve himself with any legal thing because he is from a territory (so is that scammer Small Rabbit, although we were not 100% sure and it required more information) where crypto is not legal.

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December 25, 2024, 06:25:11 PM
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- The thing I don't understand is - Why on earth would someone provide you the Adress and documents of Scammer (Small Rabbit) rather than giving it straight to the person who got scammed - I fail to understand this. | What would the Document provider has to gain by proving those documents to 3rd party rather than providing it straight to the person who got scammed ---- The doc. provider also had a good chance to get some money from FastReward for doing it (Given he makes a law case and gets his 25k$ back).... Why did the document provider choose you? - Who were you to Small Rabbit (Scammed) or FastReward (Scammed)
I really fail to understand this, please enlighten us if you could.
I was considering to ignore you just like JG in this thread but thankfully something which make sense and this is a good question indeed.

Didn't get the suitable treatment you were looking for?, If not, please go ahead and use that ignore button. There will be zero effect on my health.
Plus, my quotes of you supporting scammers are not for you to judge, ignore it or accept it, it doesn't change the facts.

But in the future, please don't use the excuse that someone suggested you unignore me to reply to one of my posts.

| LittleMouse, Small Rabbit, and Hedehog1

Out of these 3 mammals, you're seen taking the side of the two, can be 3/3 given the chance, 3rd one grows in reputation. (Royse is free to ignore)

Yes, with only icopress I don't go along because I don't think his moral has any standard but with the rest, personally I have very close relation and we look after each others, say HI to each others, share little things with each others. We always have our agreements and disagreements but that do not effect our social relationships.

At least I have seen icopress deliver what he promise in business terms and I see him more competent than you in doing what he does, you're on this forum for business not to spread morals, there are communities doing that job, if it's your cup of tea then start doing it leaving your management job or as a hobby.

Btw you can use the word 'jealousy' instead of 'moral'

Edit: In my school time, I read gambling and drinking are morally wrong. I am sure you read that, too, but look at you managing those gambling projects, One of which scammed users testing their platform, another one ran. Talking about morals but not following them.
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December 25, 2024, 06:55:02 PM
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it doesn't change the facts.
Exactly that's why I already told that
To be honest the way you are twisting your logics between Little Mouse and Small Rabbit which all are propaganda, after knowing that they are not same person now you will try to drive everything in another direction because you do not care to take what I say and what not.
But your excuse was to be enlighten. isn't it?

Ignoring you and ignore button is not the same thing by the way. I can easily ignore anything you write without sending you to the ignore list with the ignore button. You are not that important for me. You can continue with unnecessary opinions that has nothing to do with you. I give you the entire topic including the entire forum for it. Please welcome.

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I can easily ignore anything you write without sending you to the ignore list with the ignore button. You are not that important for me. You can continue with unnecessary opinions that has nothing to do with you. I give you the entire topic including the entire forum for it.

You can't. You will still go through the text I wrote, you will read it but pretend you ignored it.
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Yes, with only icopress I don't go along because I don't think his moral has any standard [...]
Are you seriously talking about morality? You, my dear friend, are... a pathological liar, a plagiarist who uses the work of other managers, a snitch who does not hesitate to throw users under the bus. You complain about someone contacting your clients, but you do it yourself on a regular basis.

Btw, about satisfied clients... you can continue to advertise your services in your clients' threads, and force users to subscribe to your social networks. Then I will probably receive more such messages.

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WTF, Many off topic here.. Any mod?

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Once again Royse has proven himself to be a highly unstable individual that cannot see beyond his overinflated ego. I suppose it is to be expected from someone that employs a compulsive liar (such as naim027) as his sidekick to work on checking spreadsheets for his campaigns. If he does not hesitate to pay naim027 for his services then it explains many other things about him including his comments.

Yes, with only icopress I don't go along because I don't think his moral has any standard [...]
Are you seriously talking about morality? You, my dear friend, are... a pathological liar, a plagiarist who uses the work of other managers, a snitch who does not hesitate to throw users under the bus. You complain about someone contacting your clients, but you do it yourself on a regular basis.

Btw, about satisfied clients... you can continue to advertise your services in your clients' threads, and force users to subscribe to your social networks. Then I will probably receive more such messages.

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