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January 11, 2025, 09:33:18 AM
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But I don't think there is anything completely wrong with that.
It’s wrong when you don’t learn to control yourself. As gamblers, it’s normal for us to get emotional during games and sometimes even chase our losses, which often leads to negative outcomes. The real problem is if you keep making the same mistakes repeatedly, that means your long-term goal will never be achieved. So, it’s important to change your mindset and realize that losing self-control is not okay. Focus on staying disciplined to avoid falling into the same traps.
Self-control in gambling is an important thing even I personally always apply it although sometimes in gambling I often break the limits Cry, usually the limits we have will be destroyed when we enjoy the game too much so that in the end only the losses we get, those who pursue defeat are often more and more trapped in defeat and this is actually the initial phenomenon that often causes someone  experience greater losses, in addition to those who are also chasing bigger wins are also very at risk of losing their money, so that's why we need to determine time and money limits before starting to play, When the limit is reached, stop playing without exception.

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January 11, 2025, 05:08:14 PM
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Sticking to the plan you have set for yourself is what makes you a disciplined gambler, staking above what you planned on using to gamble is simply a lack of self-control and this is actually fueled by greed. With all the mistakes I Ve learnt in gambling the one that I can never make again is staking higher than the amount I plan to use which is always very low, you might be tempted sometimes to go for a high reward, this would require you to stake high, but you must always ask yourself what if it goes sideways?  Self-control is needed in gambling.


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January 11, 2025, 09:16:46 PM
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Learning is not difficult, I think the most difficult thing for some is to win in the long term, and the house edge does not help, so in this case it has to be done as I do, there can be many strategies, but only one works for me, and that strategy is simple, bet with the money that I can afford to lose, if I lose I must have the discipline of not betting more, for me that is the main thing, that way emotions are managed and many other things are managed, that is what should mainly be done.

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January 11, 2025, 09:34:19 PM
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Learning is not difficult, I think the most difficult thing for some is to win in the long term, and the house edge does not help, so in this case it has to be done as I do, there can be many strategies, but only one works for me, and that strategy is simple, bet with the money that I can afford to lose, if I lose I must have the discipline of not betting more, for me that is the main thing, that way emotions are managed and many other things are managed, that is what should mainly be done.


This is accurate, learning is something that boils down to you, so is something you can tell yourself that I have to start following principles and have a good self-control to avoid any wrong decision.

While winning long-term is not certain, you can keep betting and you may not it the jackpot you are hoping for , most endup rekt before reaching that point of hitting their jackpot, due to reckless gambling habit, so just stick gambling what you can afford and hope for the best.

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January 11, 2025, 09:52:33 PM
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This question is directed at all regular gamblers because we are the ones who experience this the most. Personally, I find that learning self-control is harder than becoming a long-term winner.
Actually in gambling you have to be self control, because if you allow your  emotions to control you that can make you to participate in a gambling that you have no plan to partake on it, we need to understand that wining gambling is not all about how often you gamble or how long you have be gambling

Ideally, self-control is necessay for achieving long-term success in gambling, but if we’re talking about the long term, it means we’ll face various challenges that test our discipline. That’s exactly what I’ve experienced, I have a bankroll specifically set for the long term, and the strategy is already in place, it’s just a matter of following through. Yet, from time to time, I lose my discipline.
neither short term gambling or long-term gambling, as you emphasize on, if you are destined to win gambling you will win, the thing is whenever you want to participate in the gambling try to make your previous analysis and current analysis and compare it before you stake, and gamble as your mind directed you, don't because of people is gambling and you queue up, why I said these, is because you made mentioned of self control, a situation where self control can help a gambler, is the process whereby the gamblers is over whelmed  or interested to participate in the gambling why at that point is not necessary to partake in the gambling, a self control can make you not participate. But in the aspect of wining gambling, is just an opportunity or luck.

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January 11, 2025, 10:22:32 PM
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Learning is not difficult, I think the most difficult thing for some is to win in the long term, and the house edge does not help, so in this case it has to be done as I do, there can be many strategies, but only one works for me, and that strategy is simple, bet with the money that I can afford to lose, if I lose I must have the discipline of not betting more, for me that is the main thing, that way emotions are managed and many other things are managed, that is what should mainly be done.

I could agree, as we can change our behavior and mindset towards gambling and become responsible, but winning cannot be. Because even though we use hundreds of strategies, none of them can guarantee winnings.

Of course, it is also a challenge, but at least we can change it if we really want. But those who claim they can't are those who already have in mind that they can't change themselves. Our minds can manipulate our actions, and if we can control it, we're certain to become responsible gamblers. 

 
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January 11, 2025, 10:52:19 PM
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The whole feeling that's make gambler wants to continue playing is sometimes maybe due to some good winning experience that they have witnessed in probably one of their gaming session that have made their mind pinned to always trying to simulate such even when they continue to be on a losing streak and their bankroll continue to be in deep shit, the feeling of replicating such good experience is what makes it sometimes difficult for gamblers to seize playing.
Not just maybe, but the majority of the people who I know that can't stop gambling today is because of the big winning that they have had in the past in sports betting, which they still can't get over, and they have been trying so hard to get such a big amount of winning again with the belief that if I did it before, I can still do it again, even when they are losing; they still can't let go of the zeal to continue, just keep on increasing.

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January 11, 2025, 11:42:51 PM
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Of course, it is also a challenge, but at least we can change it if we really want. But those who claim they can't are those who already have in mind that they can't change themselves. Our minds can manipulate our actions, and if we can control it, we're certain to become responsible gamblers. 
Maybe those that have said so have already tried but it didn't worked for them. Self control is hard to maintain when you're so distracted with a lot of things like with everyday internet life.

And that's why they have given up and have already said that they can't change themselves. The mindset is what they have to change for as long as they will believe that they can no longer change, that's how it will be for them.

But like what you have said, we can control and manipulate our minds that even we can't do it but if we're telling our heads that we can, we can change, we can control ourselves.

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January 11, 2025, 11:58:50 PM
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Both hard .Controlling yourself and winning for a long time are both very difficult. Even if you want to, you won't always win in Ekadhar. In this case, you either have to be lucky or something miraculous has to happen for you. But if you want to and if you have the will power inside you then you can control yourself and you don't need any supernatural powers. I find it easier to control myself than to win over and over again. By controlling yourself, you can definitely protect yourself from several bad effects.
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January 12, 2025, 06:43:08 AM
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Both hard .Controlling yourself and winning for a long time are both very difficult. Even if you want to, you won't always win in Ekadhar. In this case, you either have to be lucky or something miraculous has to happen for you. But if you want to and if you have the will power inside you then you can control yourself and you don't need any supernatural powers. I find it easier to control myself than to win over and over again. By controlling yourself, you can definitely protect yourself from several bad effects.
Winning at gambling is not only dependent on skill, but also depend on 50% luck, that is why no one can ever win continuously, because luck is not always with a gambler, so expecting to win without losing is a kind of foolishness, a gambler will keep gambling regularly hoping to win, and he will only keep losing.
That is why it is important to keep yourself under control, a gambler who keeps gambling regularly hoping to win, he will definitely sink into a deep addiction to gambling at some point, which will make him destitute. That is why it is most important to emphasize on controlling yourself while gambling. When a gambler can remain mentally stable and maintain self-control, only then will he be able to achieve success, because real success in life does not depend on the number of gambling wins, but rather on mental state and good deeds.
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January 12, 2025, 08:13:48 AM
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Both hard .Controlling yourself and winning for a long time are both very difficult. Even if you want to, you won't always win in Ekadhar. In this case, you either have to be lucky or something miraculous has to happen for you. But if you want to and if you have the will power inside you then you can control yourself and you don't need any supernatural powers. I find it easier to control myself than to win over and over again. By controlling yourself, you can definitely protect yourself from several bad effects.
Winning at gambling is not only dependent on skill, but also depend on 50% luck, that is why no one can ever win continuously, because luck is not always with a gambler, so expecting to win without losing is a kind of foolishness, a gambler will keep gambling regularly hoping to win, and he will only keep losing.
That is why it is important to keep yourself under control, a gambler who keeps gambling regularly hoping to win, he will definitely sink into a deep addiction to gambling at some point, which will make him destitute. That is why it is most important to emphasize on controlling yourself while gambling. When a gambler can remain mentally stable and maintain self-control, only then will he be able to achieve success, because real success in life does not depend on the number of gambling wins, but rather on mental state and good deeds.
Even I think luck has a percentage of more than 50% of its role, with gambling based on skills I think luck still has a greater percentage than the skills we have now, no matter how good the skills are, they will not be able to make us win if there is no luck on our side, therefore I think all types of gambling are very closely related to luck which does have a very big role.
You are right, someone who gambles regularly can also drown in gambling until they become addicted to gambling and find it difficult to get out when they are addicted because their mindset has been influenced by gambling where they only think about winning and that can make them chase victory.
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January 12, 2025, 08:20:48 AM
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Both hard .Controlling yourself and winning for a long time are both very difficult. Even if you want to, you won't always win in Ekadhar. In this case, you either have to be lucky or something miraculous has to happen for you. But if you want to and if you have the will power inside you then you can control yourself and you don't need any supernatural powers. I find it easier to control myself than to win over and over again. By controlling yourself, you can definitely protect yourself from several bad effects.

Yes I understand that both are equally difficult but if for example the question is which is more difficult in my opinion is to produce consistent wins in the long term which is much more difficult, the reason is none other than because in any case the results in gambling are always unknown, we will never know whether in the next year we will win more often than lose or vice versa, while for the problem of self-control even though it is difficult to do but it is still possible to achieve success because for this problem it depends on how serious the gambler is to change himself into a better gambler, in the end my opinion is almost the same as yours that the point is controlling yourself is much more difficult than producing consecutive wins in the long term, another reason is because as we know that casinos build gambling with the aim of seeking profit from gamblers who lose, or it can also be said that the system applied to each game tends to favor the casino over the gamblers.
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January 12, 2025, 09:18:54 AM
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For instance, my plan is to bet only 2% of my bankroll per stake. However, there are times when I increase it to 5%, 10%, or even more, despite knowing it goes against my strategy. This lack of self-control can derail the long-term plan, and that’s a lesson I keep grappling with.

Do we have the same struggle?

It depends on what you are playing. For slots 2% of your bankroll per spin is too much, it should rather be 0.5% or even less than that. For sports betting 2% is perfectly okay, but if you increase it to 10% there's a good chance of losing your bankroll without wining anything. I personally don't have those problems with increasing my bet size, but sometimes I can make although small ones but too many bets in one session. 2-3 times than I was planning in the beginning.

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January 12, 2025, 10:12:33 AM
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What self control can do for you towards gambling is to help you not to spend more than you have bargained for, in gambling. You gamble with less amount like 3% of your weekly income.

Winning in the long run just because you have self control doesn't usually work that way, except when being lucky for a gambling win comes. You can have self control and still struggle for a gamble win for years.

Your statement is right, self control can also help a gambler to desist from chasing loss which may lead to addiction, for me I think the major role of self control is preventing one from being addicted to gambling, though you have also pointed out some benefits of self control which is personal budget for gambling purposes, those points of yours is in the right direction.
Self control doesn't guarantee any long-term wining, winning can come at anytime not because of self control but because you were meant to win at that time, I'm one those gamblers that believe that winning is a lucky thing though I stand to be corrected if there are substantial clarification to that effect, having said that, I believe that if anyone win in a long-term it just means that such gambler is lucky as you said not necessarily because he or she has self control.

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January 12, 2025, 12:09:29 PM
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I've been gambling for years, and I see that winning is not something we have to learn first, but our self-control.
I will tell you guys that it is not easy, unlike what people are thinking. Everyone wants to learn how to control ourselves but what really happens is contrast, most of us give up along the way.
All of us wanted to win, but only a few learned self-control. But this is not only the reason why we often just lose rather than win. It is because this is gambling, and our chances of winning are slim than the odds of losing. 
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January 14, 2025, 07:56:37 PM
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While winning long-term is not certain, you can keep betting and you may not it the jackpot you are hoping for , most endup rekt before reaching that point of hitting their jackpot, due to reckless gambling habit, so just stick gambling what you can afford and hope for the best.

Yes, what happens is that when it comes to gambling, when we talk about "long term" the most likely thing is that the player will not come out very well because Everything indicates that the house advantage is the one that will always win and be far ahead of us , so that is what is mostly fulfilled, the more the difference can be made, considering all this you can go there when you play responsibly and especially when you control the money you spend in the casino , the same applies to sports betting, but that is where the difference is, it is not so much the one who makes the most bets but the one who makes the bets when he is more sure of what he thinks the result will be, thus Increasing his chances of winning.

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January 14, 2025, 08:13:19 PM
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While winning long-term is not certain, you can keep betting and you may not it the jackpot you are hoping for , most endup rekt before reaching that point of hitting their jackpot, due to reckless gambling habit, so just stick gambling what you can afford and hope for the best.

Yes, what happens is that when it comes to gambling, when we talk about "long term" the most likely thing is that the player will not come out very well because Everything indicates that the house advantage is the one that will always win and be far ahead of us , so that is what is mostly fulfilled, the more the difference can be made, considering all this you can go there when you play responsibly and especially when you control the money you spend in the casino , the same applies to sports betting, but that is where the difference is, it is not so much the one who makes the most bets but the one who makes the bets when he is more sure of what he thinks the result will be, thus Increasing his chances of winning.

As a gambler who is aiming to have a long-term gambling experience, what should don't is to have a very stable and low wagering balance, and only bet a small amount of money, this way you enjoy your time gambling and at the same time be able to pick one or two lessons and fulfillments from there, unlike those that have a target to profits a lot from gambling who may be under pressure and at the same time chasing their loses to the point of losing out the best and most valuable lessons and experience of gambling, so for long term gambling sake, we as gambler need to have a lot of control over our gambling activities such as spendings and how much we stake.

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January 14, 2025, 08:30:15 PM
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This question is directed at all regular gamblers because we are the ones who experience this the most. Personally, I find that learning self-control is harder than becoming a long-term winner.

Winning isn’t something within our control now is it?
The game has always been about doing your analysis with respect to sportsbook and leave the rest for players on the pitch with the referee to do their most. You don’t control the rate of your wins which makes, th other the likely option here.

Self control towards gambling is more achievable than wins and that’s in the event that you’re not an addict. It becomes a whole lot of a different story then. When you don’t see the possibility of a win or you don’t have the funds for it, why should you gamble. There isn’t no point then.

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January 14, 2025, 08:43:52 PM
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Most gamblers see it as something so difficult to exercise self-control in gambling, i don't know the specific reason for that, but am thinking it has to do with a kind of personal thing, because some had a rough experience right from their first time in gambling, also to talk on long winning, i don't think this one is something we may often see like that as we thought of it happening, winning long term is not that easy to achieve except by luck and it often times happens when we least expect.

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January 14, 2025, 09:15:00 PM
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For instance, my plan is to bet only 2% of my bankroll per stake. However, there are times when I increase it to 5%, 10%, or even more, despite knowing it goes against my strategy. This lack of self-control can derail the long-term plan, and that’s a lesson I keep grappling with.

Do we have the same struggle?

If you really had 2% plan out from your bankroll and you end up suing 10% instead, then that means the initial wasn't your best plan if indeed you had a change of mind anytime you want to bet. It could also be that you think more when you are not gambling. If that's the case, it's better that you stick to that initial plan or reduce the way you gamble perhaps you will get acquainted with the initial plan so you don't go above what you have in mind.

Another strategy is don't know how big is your 2% in figures but it's better that you deposit only be 2% only when you want to wager and keep the rest on your wallet pending till when you want to make another deposit. If you don't have more than the 2% you deposited into the casino, there is no way you can have access to the rest of the money unless you intentionally send it to the casino and at that stage, all I can say is that you are only addicted at that point.

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