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Question: Sports betting, is it skilled based or luck based?
Skilled based - 31 (75.6%)
luck based - 10 (24.4%)
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February 02, 2025, 10:48:59 AM
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This Is the only gambling that you could try to predict and has a lot of skills involved.
There are many many facts that support this... Top tier level for gambling sites could arrive at 40%.
It means that for 100 dollars won (net won) they Will take around 40dollars as gambling taxi (Betfair).
Even with high taxi, there are some gamblers that are profitable and even able to afford It...
More...there are companies that could create odds for the market and get profit due management of the same.
As you see this type of gambling could reserve a lot of chance that other games doesnt offer.

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February 02, 2025, 10:50:23 AM
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My personal take on this one is that sports betting is that it’s skill-based...

I think if I just work on my skills, I can turn a profit eventually, yep, "eventually" is the trick word here. But after more than five years of sports betting, I'm still not making money. Now I'm wondering: is sports betting really about skill, or is it just luck? If it's about skill, maybe I just haven't got what it takes, and I'm just riding on luck.

What do you think about this topic?

Based on your experience, is it primarily luck, or do you still believe it’s skill-based, even if you haven't proven yourself yet?

Well I most say your own case is very different or should I say is because you're aiming high. however, the reason why most people gamble for so long without having a single wining record sometimes this happens as a result of over aiming, probably trying to make impossibility to become possible. I mean betting on the options you know that the chance of winning through that options is 0%.

 for the fact that we keep saying that gambling is a game of luck does not mean that you will be betting the options you know that the chance of winning through that option is 0%, of course there are options like this in sport betting. and if you keep betting on those options of course your chance of winning will be very low, and luck will be very far from you, Compared to when you bet using those regular options.

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February 02, 2025, 10:57:16 AM
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Skills in processing data and seeing how the condition and strategy of the team that will compete are.
I still believe that it is based on data and conditions that have been researched, even though it also depends on luck.

Based on Data Research, it may only be around 60-70% and Based on the luck factor, it is around 30%-40%.
But in the end a surprising outcome will also happen to a bet and cannot be fully predicted.

 
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February 02, 2025, 10:58:04 AM
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What do you think about this topic?

Skill in regards of the sport you are betting on? I don't think that would actually matter much. Since you are placing bets on the players, what should matter is your knowledge of those players whom you want to bet on. You should know their strength, how they have Been in the past and their recent scores. Personal I do check out some team stats before placing any bets(for those teams I know little of). For those I understand and I watch most of their games, I can tell what might be the out come of the game I bet on... But remember not all the time we may be right as it's still a game and luck plays a vital role...

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February 02, 2025, 11:02:35 AM
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Now I'm wondering: is sports betting really about skill, or is it just luck? If it's about skill, maybe I just haven't got what it takes, and I'm just riding on luck.

No amount of luck will get you anywhere in sports betting without having a clue what you're doing!
At least in theory if you have all the required information about an event you should normally beat the odds at any time, of course, not saying that you're going to predict every single game outcome but you will lose less than you will win for certain.

While a 1-cent bet on slots can get you an x1000 because of luck, no amount of luck will make your bet on Ipswich winning the premier League come true.

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February 02, 2025, 11:07:05 AM
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Now I'm wondering: is sports betting really about skill, or is it just luck? If it's about skill, maybe I just haven't got what it takes, and I'm just riding on luck.

No amount of luck will get you anywhere in sports betting without having a clue what you're doing!
At least in theory if you have all the required information about an event you should normally beat the odds at any time, of course, not saying that you're going to predict every single game outcome but you will lose less than you will win for certain.

While a 1-cent bet on slots can get you an x1000 because of luck, no amount of luck will make your bet on Ipswich winning the premier League come true.
This makes sense, I don't think that we can compare sports betting with skilled or luck base. Slots is the best example for it it's a very basic game, just press a button, and that's it, with no other skills or some critical thinking compared to sports betting where if you analyze it closely, sometimes you know what will happen.

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I didn't want to vote, there were many similar topics and I think the conclusion is pretty clear: one doesn't work without the other. The ideal combination is to have good skills and a lot of luck, but luck is not constant... sometimes we are lucky, and sometimes not.
Sometimes even good analytical skills fail, everything points to one thing but on the field, something unexpected happens and takes the game in a completely different direction than what we expected.

That's why it's all a gamble, there's no 101% sure thing and no perfect strategy that works in the long run...

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February 02, 2025, 11:16:02 AM
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Sport betting is about luck and skill so when you only have skill without luck, you will difficult to win and vice versa. You have experienced that for five years and you don't have a good result from sport betting. You can still place your bet in sport but you should realize that besides having skill, you also need to have luck to win. But the important from that is you must limit your money to place your bet so when you lose, you will not lose big. That is the key that you must always remember so you will not regret too much when you lose.
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You'd probably notice if you search for related topics, a large majority of answers would be skill-based. And I agree. I mean, sports in itself is skill based and you're judging the SKILLS of the players. Sure some luck is involved, but that's pretty much for every type of sport imo, so its no surprise that it's technically "skill-based"

Now it can be skill-based if you wanted, just blindfold yourself or prepare a dice that would decide which game you'd bet on, but you'd probably be incredibly dumb or just want a weird-ass challenge if you do that.
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My personal take on this one is that sports betting is that it’s skill-based...

I think if I just work on my skills, I can turn a profit eventually, yep, "eventually" is the trick word here. But after more than five years of sports betting, I'm still not making money. Now I'm wondering: is sports betting really about skill, or is it just luck? If it's about skill, maybe I just haven't got what it takes, and I'm just riding on luck.

What do you think about this topic?

Based on your experience, is it primarily luck, or do you still believe it’s skill-based, even if you haven't proven yourself yet?

You have absolutely correctly described the logic of any gambler who believes that "over time" he will earn. But the fact is that in betting and gambling there are types of games that depend only on luck and "over time" the chance of winning in them does not increase. On the contrary, it decreases due to casino commissions. I will assume that theoretically in card games you can start winning over the years, but only if you have talent and the ability to draw the right conclusions. But I think only strong mathematicians are capable of this.

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February 02, 2025, 12:35:23 PM
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Sports betting does require skills because it can increase the chances of winning, it's just that even so this type of gambling is not free from luck that helps us in getting victory, I believe this sports betting requires skills but also involves luck so not entirely the skills we have can produce victory with certainty besides it is also impossible for us to get consistent victory in gambling.
Now there must be people who are experts and good at their skills but in my opinion that does not mean they can make a profit consistently still the chances of losing are greater than the chances of winning.

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Sports betting does require skills because it can increase the chances of winning, it's just that even so this type of gambling is not free from luck that helps us in getting victory, I believe this sports betting requires skills but also involves luck so not entirely the skills we have can produce victory with certainty besides it is also impossible for us to get consistent victory in gambling.
Now there must be people who are experts and good at their skills but in my opinion that does not mean they can make a profit consistently still the chances of losing are greater than the chances of winning.

As we put it this way, there's still luck factor in play, whether we are very familiar or expert with the sports we are betting with. Though the increase of your knowledge towards this sports will really give you better chance of winning. But we can't totally eradicate the luck factor here as we can't control the game when the ball starts rolling.

Every gambling is luck based so if people have no luck i think it's hard for them to won from gambling even so with sport betting that skill to analysis indeed required because to gets the better result people have to analysis to predict the outcomes of the particular matches before decide to making bets but it still luck is required because sometimes the result of sport bets is unpredictable so in my opinion all of gambling games is luck based including sport betting

That's the truth in gambling. Whether you are in sportsbetting - luck still plays on this type of betting. How can you guarantee that the team will win even if you already consider the angles that you have known so far? So yes, even if you feel you are expert or die-hard fan of the team, you can't assure about your winning chance here. Luck surely will play an important role in the final outcome of the game.

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My personal take on this one is that sports betting is that it’s skill-based...
Sports betting is skill-based and luck base.Once there is an "out-of-control" factor even though you have to do your own analysis based on historical evidence, still the out of control factor comes in play. These factors are the referees, the fans disposition, the pitch, the VR etc. These factors and some others, can cause things to change and that is the luck factor.

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I think it depends on how you bet in sports betting. If you are betting on sports without analyzing it then that is pure luck based but mostly bettors usually analyze the game first before they bet unless they favorite the team or player.

I'm not sure why you didn't make any profit until now but like other said maybe your skills on analyzing the game is not enough.

Why not try parlay? Have you tried it? you should be able to make profit in parlay than just normal bets.

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February 02, 2025, 02:41:39 PM
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What do you think about this topic?

Based on your experience, is it primarily luck, or do you still believe it’s skill-based, even if you haven't proven yourself yet?

Gambling for me always has a luck factor. But for sports betting, I believe that skill is also a strong factor in how we can get good results.
The reality is not as easy as we hope. Even when we master a certain field of sports betting, we will still experience failure in betting. All that is not because we do not have enough skills, but in gambling, there are other factors that play a role, that as luck.
The skills we have and use to make bets will be a tool for us to minimize the risk of defeat. At least we see the opportunity to win and the confidence to make bets, not betting randomly.

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February 02, 2025, 02:50:22 PM
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Actually sports betting is a game of luck, but that doesn't mean that a gambler wouldn't do his own research before placing a bet. Already we all know that gambling is a game of luck but at least as a good gambler you need to acquire some skill with proper research first before betting, and leave the rest for luck. why most gamblers normally find it difficult to win is because they always rely on luck, without noing that you would do your best first before relying on luck.

Sports betting is a combination of both skills and luck but Depending on one factor can unknowingly piss you.Experienced gamers rely on developing strategies that'll yield positive outcomes over every bet they partake in.
Develop a solid consciousness of staying aware of the situation wether or not to be overwhelmed by luck or your skill so as to secure your chances for winning.

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February 02, 2025, 02:52:18 PM
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What do you think about this topic?

Based on your experience, is it primarily luck, or do you still believe it’s skill-based, even if you haven't proven yourself yet?
I can say both skill based and luck. Sports betting requires lots of skill, people who under rates the perception often take more loses, sometimes it goes beyond just selecting games that looks the favorite, a skilled gambler knows when best to bet against the easy options.

I voted for skilled based, sport betting requires careful analysis, sometimes it takes minutes to deliberate on which game to bet on after weighing the risk involved. Any sport bettor should understand pretty much about that particular fixture before staking, that is the reason we only bet on fixtures we know about, mostly league and clubs, can't possibly know much about every club and players so when betting some fixtures are not to be included.



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February 02, 2025, 03:00:27 PM
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My personal take on this one is that sports betting is that it’s skill-based...

I think if I just work on my skills, I can turn a profit eventually, yep, "eventually" is the trick word here. But after more than five years of sports betting, I'm still not making money. Now I'm wondering: is sports betting really about skill, or is it just luck? If it's about skill, maybe I just haven't got what it takes, and I'm just riding on luck.

What do you think about this topic?

Based on your experience, is it primarily luck, or do you still believe it’s skill-based, even if you haven't proven yourself yet?

I thought the same until I see that most referees are given full power and they can do anything they desire, yes they do not give the slightest f*ck about so called VAR technology put in place to check very difficult cases. Of course I am talking about sport betting in soccer where referees have made thousand of wrong decisions and 0 punishment from the soccer entity both local to the league where this has happened and both above in UEFA/FIFA entities. I would say that since we cannot predict the referee behavior I would say it stays on luck most of the time, especially when referee change the game outcome through his decisions, you simply cannot predict that and no matter how skillful you are the end result still relies heavily on luck.

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February 02, 2025, 03:05:35 PM
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What do you think about this topic?

Based on your experience, is it primarily luck, or do you still believe it’s skill-based, even if you haven't proven yourself yet?

It's obvious that in this context sports betting requires skills and once your skills ain't good enough then you're open to chances of lucks, sometimes we may be seeing sports betting as a luck based game especially when we can't figure out by ourself some tactical issues but nevertheless your skills are required here cause you have to make predictions and calculations and analysis and as well strategies so definitely this are all skilled criteria so it's skilled base with a touch of lucks.

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February 02, 2025, 03:06:50 PM
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Based on your experience, is it primarily luck, or do you still believe it’s skill-based, even if you haven't proven yourself yet?
The sole luck-based gambling activities are the ones you will have to bet without relying on any strategy/skill but on your instincts based on pure gambling. This is what we do mostly in casino betting, it is 100% luck-dependent. But this is different in sports betting, you can win more in sports betting if you take your time to gather more information and use it to choose your options. Although luck is also needed in sports betting, it is not as reliant on casino betting.

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