Is DeepSeek something to worry about?

[Ultegra134]

Hello there,

I've seen a couple of topics have already popped up regarding DeepSeek, talking about how it might burst the U.S.A.'s tech bubble or how it caused a market stock crash. I haven't checked the validity of these claims, but I've also seen posts mentioning how it was responsible for a minor crash in the cryptocurrency market. From my understanding, DeepSeek is an open-source AI that cost far less money to develop than ChatGPT while providing the same service. I actually downloaded it on my phone to test it out, and I can't see any major functionality differences with ChatGPT, apart from the "Deep think" option, which shows the "chain of thought.".

I haven't used it for any complex purposes, even though I'm planning to test it with some Excel data from my master's thesis, so I'm not the most suitable person to judge its capabilities, nor compare them to other platforms. However, I'm not understanding how DeepSeek is thought to be such an economic threat to the U.S.A. I understand that open-sourcing it is a huge deal; everyone can access it on Github; everything is public, but why has it blown over? Everyone seems to be talking about it.

What concerned me, though, isn't the economic threat or the supposed drop in the cryptocurrency market, but a video I saw a few days ago on Instagram and TikTok, showing that traffic is being sent to China and on Alibaba Cloud. On the one hand, it sounds plausible because their servers are situated there, right? On the other hand, though, it is possible that it's sending our personal data.

What are your thoughts? Is it an economic threat? Do you also believe that it's collecting any data we submit to it?

I'm quoting an article and the video itself.

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[Sanitough]

If you trust them, you provide them with data, so you’re willing to take the risk.

But what’s the difference between using ChatGPT and DeepSeek if the concern is about data collection? Both operate similarly, but they’re developed in different countries.

People use ChatGPT without worrying about data collection, yet they’re concerned about DeepSeek doing the same thing. That just means they trust the U.S. over China when it comes to handling data.

[Ultegra134]

If you trust them, you provide them with data, so you’re willing to take the risk.

But what’s the difference between using ChatGPT and DeepSeek if the concern is about data collection? Both operate similarly, but they’re developed in different countries.

People use ChatGPT without worrying about data collection, yet they’re concerned about DeepSeek doing the same thing. That just means they trust the U.S. over China when it comes to handling data.

That's a valid concern I forgot to mention. People are blowing over about DeepSeek and China handling their data, but at the same time, aren't concerned about an American company. At the same time, a large number of consumers, including myself, which is something I regret, own Chinese phones from Xiaomi, Realme, etc. On the other hand, it's no secret that ChatGPT collects your data; if you have signed up with them, all your submissions are saved in your account; thus, in the possibility of a data breach, you'll be exposed.

To be honest, the truth is that our data is logged pretty much everywhere the moment we use the internet. Gmail accounts store a ton of data; it's almost impossible to minimize our digital footprint. However, due to the advancement of AI, I'm a little more concerned; they've proven to have immense capabilities, and our data is practically in their hands. We're yet to see what they're fully capable of.

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What are your thoughts? Is it an economic threat? Do you also believe that it's collecting any data we submit to it?

I'm quoting an article and the video itself.
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As non-american, it's not in any more threat to me then other "AI"s that already exist. I would rather use word "language model", which is more accurate description of this tech, but since everyone is talking about AI, i will use AI instead.

There are issues i am worried about, like that they are obviously grabbing data, but that's not even the main thing i am afraid about. Different programs have gathered our data since the start of internet, and this is just another program doing it. Because it's "AI" doesn't make it in any more or less invasive.

It's only threat to the existing tech, making it significantly less valuable. And alongside with them stealing jobs from translators etc, the main problem with these is lack of copyright laws protection, as they are directly stealing material and using it. 

DeepSeek is also an open source, unlike chatgpt, so that alone makes it wipe the floor with closed source language models.

[Josefjix]

But what’s the difference between using ChatGPT and DeepSeek if the concern is about data collection? Both operate similarly, but they’re developed in different countries.

People use ChatGPT without worrying about data collection, yet they’re concerned about DeepSeek doing the same thing. That just means they trust the U.S. over China when it comes to handling data.

A lot of companies and other institutions including countries banned the app cos of its data storage model unlike chatgpt. Deepseek requests so many data for it to function perfectly which is something wary to be trusted.

A major red flag they say, is DeepSeek’s terms of service, which states that user data is stored on servers in China and governed under Chinese law, which mandates cooperation with the country’s intelligence agencies.

With the data been asked during registration, an email address, phone number, date of birth, users are worried over submitting these details while chatgpt only needs email address for it's functionality.

[pooya87]

talking about how it might burst the U.S.A.'s tech bubble or how it caused a market stock crash.

Not exactly the tech bubble or the stock market, but instead the stocks of certain companies that got pumped due to AI hype. Introduction of DeepSeek by a Chinese company that does the same thing as what these companies were involved in but with a much smaller capital, simply popped that bubble and caused a dump.

seen posts mentioning how it was responsible for a minor crash in the cryptocurrency market.

I don't think there were any relationship whatsoever. The only weak link might have been some dumb newbies with weak hands panic sell bitcoin after seeing the dump in some US stocks!

However, I'm not understanding how DeepSeek is thought to be such an economic threat to the U.S.A.

It is not!
It's a competition to all those US based companies that were raising billions of dollars to do the same thing as this Chinese company did with only $6 million. DeepSeek doesn't have anything to do with economy to be a threat to the US economy!

I started a topic about this a couple of days ago sharing some thoughts. But my argument is that DeepSeek is an example of how everything is super expensive in the US while it is a lot cheaper elsewhere. Consequently the tariff war and economic war US regime wages on China (and the rest of the world) can not work as long as things are like this.

[sunsilk]

What are your thoughts? Is it an economic threat? Do you also believe that it's collecting any data we submit to it?

Everything gives that uncertainty nowadays. People never stop of what we are thinking about, with the start of AI.

Coming from the replacement of jobs of the typical workers to AI.

And with every app that we use that we dont oay, expect it that we are the product, they collect it from us.

[bettercrypto]

chatgpt because it has improved more now than when it first arose in ai technology. That's why I see more influencers using it than deepseek that op says.

Then it's not really good for the majority community to give their data so they still choose to use chatgpt. Even if I were the one,
I would choose to use this over that.

[Zoomic]

I'm I the only one who thinks DeepSeek is seen as a threat because  it is now a strong competition to ChatGPT and other western AI models? Both ChatGPT and DeepSeek collect users' data yet DeepSeek is considered a problem to the world as people are already linking it the crypto price decline and a threat to the economy already. Proper investigation should be carried out so we see real facts and not just some baseless assumptions.

I think both DeepSeek and ChatGPT have their individual strengths and weaknesses. No one is going to force anyone to use DeepSeek against their will. If they fear that their data might be copied while using DeepSeek, then there is no point risking it. Good thing is, there are many options available.

[BlackHatCoiner]

I can't grasp the innovation wholly yet, but the engineers essentially figured out a way to make it more efficiently trainable. Given that the training part is the big bottleneck in LLMs, and that billions of dollars are on their way to fund the infrastructure for AI, it's a pretty big deal, yeah.

It is not something to worry about, IMO. Competition is always welcomed.

[coupable]

I don't see anything to worry about regarding this technology. People are already discussing the potential negative impact on the economy after the emergence of Deepseek, so it is not surprising that these are rumors launched by American companies that are affected by China's entry into this competitive market. Currently, China is the market leader, and certainly OpenAI and other companies are affected in one way or another by the decline in the number of users who migrated to Deepseek. We as consumers benefit from the free competition mentality.

[goldkingcoiner]

I am definitely not going to be using Deepseek. I'm doing fine with free ChatGPT for my purposes. Although it is supposed to be open source, I have my doubts about how much more useful it is supposed to be for casual users...

Maybe I am not AI saavy enough  

[WatChe]

If you trust them, you provide them with data, so you’re willing to take the risk.

But what’s the difference between using ChatGPT and DeepSeek if the concern is about data collection? Both operate similarly, but they’re developed in different countries.

People use ChatGPT without worrying about data collection, yet they’re concerned about DeepSeek doing the same thing. That just means they trust the U.S. over China when it comes to handling data.

Most of top Tech companies are from U.S like Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Amazon and list goes on. It's very likely true that U.S has access to data hosted on servers of these companies. In current century, data is the new oil. Once countries fight for oil, these days countries have strong concerns over there data reaching in hands of rival countries.
Moving forward, AI is the new emerging technology. What's stunning about DeepSeek is there claim that they have invested only $6 million to train there final model, that is much cheaper then OpenAI’s o1. If DeepSeek take over the AI world then it clearly means that China has upper hand in AI compared to US, something not tolerable by US.

[kryptqnick]

I am not going to use DeepSeek, no matter how advanced it gets. To me, it is an important matter of choosing not to partake in Chinese propaganda and support of its authoritarianism. But, unfortunately, I am quite sure that many people don't care about it as much, or they believe that the US is just as bad, so it doesn't matter. And because of that, it can become very successful. That being said, I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a threat to the US economy.
As for open-source, there've been open-source AI models one can locally run and toy with for a while now. I think it's more about a major competitor appearing, as China is powerful.

[cryptosize]

Judging by this, it's definitely a huge threat to the US economy:

If you download DeepSeek in the U.S., you could face 20 years in prison and a $100 million fine; this is what a new bill introduced in the Senate proposes to do

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/if-you-download-deepseek-in-the-u-s-you-could-face-20-years-in-prison-and-a-100-million-fine-this-is-what-a-new-bill-introduced-in-the-senate-proposes-to-do/articleshow/117954136.cms

At the same time, a large number of consumers, including myself, which is something I regret, own Chinese phones from Xiaomi, Realme, etc.

Android phones are cheaper and more versatile (sideloading etc.) compared to iPhones.

If they didn't want this to happen, they'd convince Apple to drop their prices (not gonna happen in free market) and make iOS open-source (not gonna happen either).

TL;DR: China is destined to win.

They offer better and cheaper solutions almost everywhere (electric cars etc).

Even NAND/SSDs:

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/chinas-3d-nand-leader-ymtc-gradually-switching-to-homegrown-chipmaking-tools
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/china-now-producing-its-own-blank-wafers-as-domestic-memory-company-ramps-up-3d-nand-production-ymtc-consumes-500-000-homegrown-wafers-per-month

If they capture Taiwan in 2027, you can bet they will offer a GPU equivalent to RTX 5090 for half the price and then you can kiss the dollar goodbye for good.

Nvidia stock will shed trillions of dollars (or it could be worth quadrillions of worthless dollars due to hyperinflation).

I kid you not, the exact same guys who wore Slava Ukraini flags will proudly wear Taiwan flags in 2027. Bookmark my post for future reference.

[Ucy]

One of the ways the alternatives and their economies can be negatively affected is if a competitor creates better quality version that's affordable and accessible to everyone who needs it rather than some who probably don't need it.
Imagine you own a business that's creating useful products everyone cannot afford, then another company starts creating similar product that is of greater quality, cheaper in price and affordable to everyone. What do you think will happen to the other companies with costlier products? Ofcourse, they will lose more customers unless they upgrade and be better or thesame quality as the new product.

Concerning the past price dip in crypto market, deepSeek could only be responsible for that if there is strong connection between crypto and deepseek competitors. Is Bitcoin run by chatgpt or affected AI?


Anyway, certain people tend to think that it's all about money and capitalism. This mindset has made it difficult for people who contributed the most but are rooted in strong moral to own enough money to buy things they need. Imagine going to a market and not able to buy things you need and helped in creating. But thieves, crooks, prostitutes, bribe takers, and those who make money at the detriment of society/people's well-being are able to afford them.

We currently have better model that works in crypto which deepseek could adopt to be able to thrive and be sustainable without making it hard for everyone to use its product. Let it be community driven that allows any interested person to contribute and use deepseek. Put in place tools to encourage hardwork, good quality, talents, etc. And then rank everyone up according to how right, useful, unique, etc their works are. It's about being right/good rather than just building whatever that comes into the mind.

[Victorybit1]

People just overthink too much, there's just a slight difference between deepseek and chatgtp, some worry about invasion of privacy from the data been acquired by these ai. These things were created to make life easy for us, so instead of stressing over this thoughts just decide whether you are going to make use of it or not. I asked some questions on deepseek just to compare it to chatgtp but I think it has too much analysis, I asked a simple question that just required answers in words but it started calculating and giving me arithmetic results first. Well, personally I prefer chatgtp to this.

[cryptosize]

Concerning the past price dip in crypto market, deepSeek could only be responsible for that if there is strong connection between crypto and deepseek competitors. Is Bitcoin run by chatgpt or affected AI?

Bitcoin is ran by ASICs and nodes, nothing else.

Bitcoin is correlated to tech stocks (whenever they drop, it also affects BTC -even temporarily-).

[iBaba]

Most of top Tech companies are from U.S like Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Amazon and list goes on. It's very likely true that U.S has access to data hosted on servers of these companies. In current century, data is the new oil. Once countries fight for oil, these days countries have strong concerns over there data reaching in hands of rival countries.
Moving forward, AI is the new emerging technology. What's stunning about DeepSeek is there claim that they have invested only $6 million to train there final model, that is much cheaper then OpenAI’s o1. If DeepSeek take over the AI world then it clearly means that China has upper hand in AI compared to US, something not tolerable by US.

China's bold step to go fully into the AI industry is a brave one and I am pretty sure that in no time they will be industry leaders. They've also simplified the whole process which the westerners made look humungos making it increasingly difficult for other continents and nations to attempt. Today what seemed to be a big deal was made easy by the Chinese who invested only $6 million to train their final model.

DeepSeek is a perfect example to the simplicity of technology with limited resources. Till date, the information technology industry. In terms of security or data leaks, your data is not safe anywhere and you cannot be rest assured even with the western technologies like they made them look like. At the end of the day, your data goes somewhere but the trust have to be established in the system to make people believe more in it.

[sana54210]

First of all, if you think that China stealing your data is a new thing, you need to wake up and realize that they are taking as much data from you as they can, hell they would take your mail and password if they can, they are all fine for it, you are their opponent, and they are a dictatorship, they want to control not just their own citizens, but everywhere else too, that's what a dictatorship does.

But at the same time, if you think western companies like Tesla do not take your driving to their data to make sure the road is all mapped out in order to build their next driverless car, you have a big wake up there too. How do you think cars drive themselves, just because they have cameras and can stop? Of course not, that alone isn't enough, they are capable of doing it because they have taken data of EVERY driver for many years, so they know the roads better than google car could ever know.