Is DeepSeek something to worry about?

[WatChe]

The other important components of AI technology is the database they build and use. That is private and I don't think any of the AI developers have ever published it for the public to see.

I think every tech company is smart enough to hide critical details of there project from competitors,  so that others cannot build similar project. There is no harm in revealing basic details of the projects. I am sure if China has build a chatbot in 6 million usd then others tech companies will also be looking at every possibility of building an AI Chatbot in such low budget. Unless DeepSeek team has done some majestic work, we will see projects such low budget projects coming in next few years. Otherwise China will dominate the tech world for years to come.

[kotajikikox]

I'm more concerned about the excessive use of AI, which has become so "normal" in a very short time that it seems to me that in the next ten years or so (maybe even sooner) people will start to take it for granted and will use their brains less and less.

Lol, it is already happening. AI is being abused and we have yet to see the worst of it. I have seen people ask AI stupid questions which is just disappointing. Because of how easy AI has become to access, everyone uses it even if it is not exactly needed. I saw someone use it to ask for a relationship advice which is crazy because don't you have friends to ask that that may have a better grasp of who you are as a person?

At the same time, I am particularly concerned that artificial intelligence for military purposes is increasingly being talked about (and tested) to the extent that drones and even fighter planes will be controlled by AI and will make autonomous decisions.

I am sure that it would still require humans to get them where they want AI to be. It is still humans that are going to be doing all the coding and feeding AI information. Humans can be even worse than robots so I am not all that concerned.

[shinratensei_]

The other important components of AI technology is the database they build and use. That is private and I don't think any of the AI developers have ever published it for the public to see.

I think every tech company is smart enough to hide critical details of there project from competitors,  so that others cannot build similar project. There is no harm in revealing basic details of the projects. I am sure if China has build a chatbot in 6 million usd then others tech companies will also be looking at every possibility of building an AI Chatbot in such low budget. Unless DeepSeek team has done some majestic work, we will see projects such low budget projects coming in next few years. Otherwise China will dominate the tech world for years to come.

yeah definitely the data is a concern, and what concerned other people too so far.

it seems deepseek is also building database to further develop their own LLM if you look at their term and condition before using their services.

I wouldn't thnk china will dominate tech world even more so AI though, so many fabs moving over to the US, and they are banned from having newer GPU.

[UTON Blockchain]

Using it makes me anxious—I can only get four responses from it per day:

[pooya87]

The other important components of AI technology is the database they build and use. That is private and I don't think any of the AI developers have ever published it for the public to see.

I think every tech company is smart enough to hide critical details of there project from competitors,  so that others cannot build similar project. There is no harm in revealing basic details of the projects. I am sure if China has build a chatbot in 6 million usd then others tech companies will also be looking at every possibility of building an AI Chatbot in such low budget. Unless DeepSeek team has done some majestic work, we will see projects such low budget projects coming in next few years. Otherwise China will dominate the tech world for years to come.

Yeah, that is one good thing that always comes out of this form of competition. They usually compete to lower the cost (their products and services would be cheaper as well, so it is good for the consumers too). Although we still have to wait and see if the competitors succeed in significantly lowering their costs since it is normally too expensive to do things in places like USA.

[WatChe]

yeah definitely the data is a concern, and what concerned other people too so far.

it seems deepseek is also building database to further develop their own LLM if you look at their term and condition before using their services.

I wouldn't thnk china will dominate tech world even more so AI though, so many fabs moving over to the US, and they are banned from having newer GPU.

I think the main thing which DeepSeek has to prove to world at the moment is that they indeed have trained the model in 6 million USD budget. Once you make such a huge claim then the whole world looks for heir answers. There are different news coming up that DeepSeek has used higher budget then they are calming. SemiAnalysis firm has reported that DeepSeek’s spending for hardware is much higher than 500 million usd over the company history CNBC. China can only claim AI superiority once it prove there biggest claim of developing AI chatbot in cheaper budget.   

[Synchronice]

I'm more concerned about the excessive use of AI, which has become so "normal" in a very short time that it seems to me that in the next ten years or so (maybe even sooner) people will start to take it for granted and will use their brains less and less.

That's right. Governments want as dumb population as possible because it's easier to control dumb crowd. They brain isn't trained, they can't think well on their own, are less educated and easy to manipulate and are too dependent on 3rd parties. Those rich businessmen and politicians will take care of their sons and daughters but the rest of the dumb crowd will be forced to be the slave. I don't know if it sounds like a conspiracy theory but I really think it's true.

At the same time, I am particularly concerned that artificial intelligence for military purposes is increasingly being talked about (and tested) to the extent that drones and even fighter planes will be controlled by AI and will make autonomous decisions.

What we are seeing now is clearly a race to see who will develop a better AI, and the way things look, it seems that what we see in science fiction movies is what awaits us in the future. People are obviously so stupid that they want to create something smarter than themselves - only when that smarter thing realizes that it exists, I don't doubt for a moment that it will turn against its creators.

With my whole heart, I believe that AI is bullshit. AI is just a combination of bunch of good algorithms, it's not an intelligence on its own, it will never have emotions and never be able to think like a human, so it will never be smarter than us. It will have to follow certain orders and patterns to work. AI functions like: If not A, then B. But humans don't think like that and AI will never think like humans because AI doesn't have hormones that affect the way we think.

[Lucius]

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With my whole heart, I believe that AI is bullshit. AI is just a combination of bunch of good algorithms, it's not an intelligence on its own, it will never have emotions and never be able to think like a human, so it will never be smarter than us. It will have to follow certain orders and patterns to work. AI functions like: If not A, then B. But humans don't think like that and AI will never think like humans because AI doesn't have hormones that affect the way we think.

Do you think it's not possible that AI will one day advance so much that it will be possible to create humanoid robots with "brains" that will be far superior to ours - considering that you agree that ordinary people will use their brains less and less because they will rely heavily on artificial intelligence to think for them?

I don't know if you've seen the movie Ex Machina or the TV series Humans, but to me, something like that doesn't seem impossible, it's just a matter of time before it happens.

[WatChe]

Yeah, that is one good thing that always comes out of this form of competition. They usually compete to lower the cost (their products and services would be cheaper as well, so it is good for the consumers too). Although we still have to wait and see if the competitors succeed in significantly lowering their costs since it is normally too expensive to do things in places like USA.

DeepSeek has started a race in which many participants are trying to get the victory. Alibaba has also released it's new version of Qwen 2.5 AI with claim that it's more efficient that DeepSeek-V3. The most interesting part of this new version is that it's released on first day of Lunar new year, when there are holidays in China for that festival. So not only other countries are working hard to counter DeePSeek but also inside China there is huge pressure on local  companies.
US has no other option left but to accept that challenge and release something that is more cheaper then DeepSeek or prove that DeepSeek budgt is much greater then 6 million USD. Otherwise we might see tech hub shifting towards China in next few years.

[Synchronice]

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With my whole heart, I believe that AI is bullshit. AI is just a combination of bunch of good algorithms, it's not an intelligence on its own, it will never have emotions and never be able to think like a human, so it will never be smarter than us. It will have to follow certain orders and patterns to work. AI functions like: If not A, then B. But humans don't think like that and AI will never think like humans because AI doesn't have hormones that affect the way we think.

Do you think it's not possible that AI will one day advance so much that it will be possible to create humanoid robots with "brains" that will be far superior to ours - considering that you agree that ordinary people will use their brains less and less because they will rely heavily on artificial intelligence to think for them?

I don't know if you've seen the movie Ex Machina or the TV series Humans, but to me, something like that doesn't seem impossible, it's just a matter of time before it happens.

That's a very tough question. At the moment, we don't know how thinks are formed but we know that hormones like dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin, testosterone, estrogens and others significantly affect our thinking but what forms thoughts, that's still unknown. They say that neurons fire up but what's the reason that this certain thought came to my mind? We don't know that and that's the most interesting part. How can we create an artificial intelligence? How can a computer have dopamine, serotonin and other hormones?
If we ever manage to truly learn our brain and understand how thoughts are formed and manage to and manage to successfully transplant head, then I think we will be able to create a real artificial intelligence but I'm sure, at that point, we will also manage to become immortals too.
In life, everything is possible, we just need time, lots of time and peace.

[Ultegra134]

Data collection should be the least of our concerns, in my opinion, because any of us who are using the internet are basically giving away our data to the companies whose services we use, and we do it by consent even if we think we are not doing it; we barely read the terms and conditions before signing up for a service or even read privacy policies because we, at least most of us, think they are a waste of time since at the end of the day, we have to use their services either for work, entertainment, hobbies, etc.

The services we currently use are doing the same thing; the only difference is that there are different countries operating them, and as someone else said it, that might be a problem of comfort because we might not feel threatened if a company from our country is collecting our data but if another does it, we feel it shouldn't happen; however, in reality, if privacy matters to you, it should matter in both cases and if it doesn't, then it doesn't really matter which country is collecting your data as long as you are getting the services you need.

This is true, the moment you're using the internet, you're practically jeopardizing your privacy. A single Gmail/Google account holds more data than DeepSeek and ChatGPT combined, including locations, your preferences, what advertisements you watched and many more. Thus, data collection through AI platforms should be the least of our concern, since we can simply avoid using it.

I'm more concerned about the excessive use of AI, which has become so "normal" in a very short time that it seems to me that in the next ten years or so (maybe even sooner) people will start to take it for granted and will use their brains less and less. At the same time, I am particularly concerned that artificial intelligence for military purposes is increasingly being talked about (and tested) to the extent that drones and even fighter planes will be controlled by AI and will make autonomous decisions.

What we are seeing now is clearly a race to see who will develop a better AI, and the way things look, it seems that what we see in science fiction movies is what awaits us in the future. People are obviously so stupid that they want to create something smarter than themselves - only when that smarter thing realizes that it exists, I don't doubt for a moment that it will turn against its creators.

I've been sick the past few days and didn't reply as much as I wanted, so I'm catching up now. That's my major concern as well. Within approximately the past two years, the advance of AI has been tremendous. In my opinion, seeing it is worrisome. It can create whole videos from scratch that look extremely lifelike and don't get me started on how advanced photo editing has become with it. I'm certain that from now on, we'll start doubting if what we're seeing is real or not.

The scary thing is what you mentioned, there's a race to develop the best AI, meaning that more and more advanced versions are going to keep coming up, till we'll see those science fiction movies become real life (see Subservience, an AI robot maid etc.).

[o48o]

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The scary thing is what you mentioned, there's a race to develop the best AI, meaning that more and more advanced versions are going to keep coming up, till we'll see those science fiction movies become real life (see Subservience, an AI robot maid etc.).

I don't see that as scary. It's basically just physical robotic extension of a program. Those programs are just more complex. They aren't self aware in any way it's extraordinary. They are just same old language models.

Real imminent problem is that while they are language models, they are probably taking more existing jobs then probably whole technological revolution in the past. People say that there will be new jobs, which is technically true, but what kind of jobs are those and is the ratio of those lost jobs 1000:1? So it's one new job for thousand of lost ones.

Future problems come with real, self aware AGI and that's probably ages away. At least it's not happening on my lifetime.

[Fortify]

Hello there,

I've seen a couple of topics have already popped up regarding DeepSeek, talking about how it might burst the U.S.A.'s tech bubble or how it caused a market stock crash. I haven't checked the validity of these claims, but I've also seen posts mentioning how it was responsible for a minor crash in the cryptocurrency market. From my understanding, DeepSeek is an open-source AI that cost far less money to develop than ChatGPT while providing the same service. I actually downloaded it on my phone to test it out, and I can't see any major functionality differences with ChatGPT, apart from the "Deep think" option, which shows the "chain of thought.".

I haven't used it for any complex purposes, even though I'm planning to test it with some Excel data from my master's thesis, so I'm not the most suitable person to judge its capabilities, nor compare them to other platforms. However, I'm not understanding how DeepSeek is thought to be such an economic threat to the U.S.A. I understand that open-sourcing it is a huge deal; everyone can access it on Github; everything is public, but why has it blown over? Everyone seems to be talking about it.

What concerned me, though, isn't the economic threat or the supposed drop in the cryptocurrency market, but a video I saw a few days ago on Instagram and TikTok, showing that traffic is being sent to China and on Alibaba Cloud. On the one hand, it sounds plausible because their servers are situated there, right? On the other hand, though, it is possible that it's sending our personal data.

What are your thoughts? Is it an economic threat? Do you also believe that it's collecting any data we submit to it?

I'm quoting an article and the video itself.

No more or less than any other AI system out there. If the claims are true it has been able to do these things more efficiently than existing systems, but it's possible that it was trained on those existing systems and was able to take many shortcuts because of that. As with many things that come out of China, the truth is somewhat murky. However in comparison tests the final product has been able to outperform most other systems at certain tasks, which is very impressive considering it came out of nowhere. That said, even ChatGPT seemingly popped up on the radar a few years ago and most people had never heard of it. As with anything, a bit more competition should be welcomed by the average user and it will incrementally help AI improve over time if knowledge is shared.

[AmoreJaz]

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The scary thing is what you mentioned, there's a race to develop the best AI, meaning that more and more advanced versions are going to keep coming up, till we'll see those science fiction movies become real life (see Subservience, an AI robot maid etc.).

I don't see that as scary. It's basically just physical robotic extension of a program. Those programs are just more complex. They aren't self aware in any way it's extraordinary. They are just same old language models.

Real imminent problem is that while they are language models, they are probably taking more existing jobs then probably whole technological revolution in the past. People say that there will be new jobs, which is technically true, but what kind of jobs are those and is the ratio of those lost jobs 1000:1? So it's one new job for thousand of lost ones.

Future problems come with real, self aware AGI and that's probably ages away. At least it's not happening on my lifetime.

That is true, it is about the jobs that they are capable of doing as they can easily replace their corresponding human counterparts. And besides, the developers in this crypto market won't just sit and observe what's happening around us. They are surely looking at this potential threat and for sure, already looking for ways how to counter this kind of possible source of danger to this technology.

[alani123]

Deepseek does what any LLM does with grester efficiency. It's a blow to OpenAI business wise... But business is not always for the better of humanity.

While OpenAI didn't bother to optimize their Algo, they're burning so much energy. A more efficient model like deepseek advanced the field tremendously and paves the way for more environmentaly friendly AI. And funnily enough the Chinese are doing it for free.

Competition doesn't always come in business. Deepseek did more for AI with a $5m budget than OpenAI did with billions. It's very impressive actually. Definitely not something to worry about but rather something that benefits us all.

[Reatim]

Using it makes me anxious—I can only get four responses from it per day:

you are not the only one, mate some people have also been experiencing troubles with deepseek where they have to restart the platform because it just stops working seems like it’s become slow nowadays

i am sure they are going to improve on this later on but for now chatgpt may be the more superior one

[STT]

Using it makes me anxious—I can only get four responses from it per day:

There are some problems with its ability to recall accurate information on communist political prisoners and deaths, its fairly easy to say no product is perfect and has its flaws accidental and deliberate that may lead to it just being a footnote in the history of technological development.

   Overall valid competition is always a good thing for the industry and even if some companies would dislike that competition to be possible even, they will still despite much apprehension benefit greatly from a wider audience that comes from the diversity of products even if in competition the competitive marketplace helps everyone.    Governments usually want to control and shape competition by its distance from themselves in many ways but governments are frequently wrong on the best path for capitalism.  Thankfully that failure is an ironic positive for the end user which is most of us in the end.

[X-ray]

Deepseek does what any LLM does with grester efficiency. It's a blow to OpenAI business wise... But business is not always for the better of humanity.

While OpenAI didn't bother to optimize their Algo, they're burning so much energy. A more efficient model like deepseek advanced the field tremendously and paves the way for more environmentaly friendly AI. And funnily enough the Chinese are doing it for free.

Competition doesn't always come in business. Deepseek did more for AI with a $5m budget than OpenAI did with billions. It's very impressive actually. Definitely not something to worry about but rather something that benefits us all.

the fact that it's free I think is also part of their marketing strategy, reducing OpenAI dominance is so hard when people around the world keep using chatGPT and there's always scrutinize to anything coming from china, so just releasing the beast through the means of open source is one way to attract interest from people, it allows the western companies to also adopt the AI, running it from their cloud infrastructure and reduce openAI's dominance.
I think that's the ultimate goal.

even know due to that effect, china's stock has been rising ever since.

[Ultegra134]

I don't see that as scary. It's basically just physical robotic extension of a program. Those programs are just more complex. They aren't self aware in any way it's extraordinary. They are just same old language models.

Real imminent problem is that while they are language models, they are probably taking more existing jobs then probably whole technological revolution in the past. People say that there will be new jobs, which is technically true, but what kind of jobs are those and is the ratio of those lost jobs 1000:1? So it's one new job for thousand of lost ones.

Future problems come with real, self aware AGI and that's probably ages away. At least it's not happening on my lifetime.

I've seen quite a few economics or so-called experts keep mentioning what you've stated. Jobs will be lost but other jobs will eventually open, but in my opinion, this couldn't be further from the truth. The jobs AI is replacing isn't programmers or developers, it's replacing those that we encounter on our daily lives, there are even self-driving taxis nowadays. This argument is invalid and I don't understand why some people still reproduce it.

Deepseek does what any LLM does with grester efficiency. It's a blow to OpenAI business wise... But business is not always for the better of humanity.

While OpenAI didn't bother to optimize their Algo, they're burning so much energy. A more efficient model like deepseek advanced the field tremendously and paves the way for more environmentaly friendly AI. And funnily enough the Chinese are doing it for free.

Competition doesn't always come in business. Deepseek did more for AI with a $5m budget than OpenAI did with billions. It's very impressive actually. Definitely not something to worry about but rather something that benefits us all.

This is the main reason why competition is beneficial for the users. What DeepSeek accomplished is astonishing compared to what resources ChatGPT required to be developed and still requires in order to run. I've personally used both and in the front-end, I'm not seeing much difference, but in the back-end, DeepSeek consumes much less energy that ChatGPT.

[Gentle_Soul]

Hello there,

I've seen a couple of topics have already popped up regarding DeepSeek, talking about how it might burst the U.S.A.'s tech bubble or how it caused a market stock crash. I haven't checked the validity of these claims, but I've also seen posts mentioning how it was responsible for a minor crash in the cryptocurrency market. From my understanding, DeepSeek is an open-source AI that cost far less money to develop than ChatGPT while providing the same service. I actually downloaded it on my phone to test it out, and I can't see any major functionality differences with ChatGPT, apart from the "Deep think" option, which shows the "chain of thought.".

I haven't used it for any complex purposes, even though I'm planning to test it with some Excel data from my master's thesis, so I'm not the most suitable person to judge its capabilities, nor compare them to other platforms. However, I'm not understanding how DeepSeek is thought to be such an economic threat to the U.S.A. I understand that open-sourcing it is a huge deal; everyone can access it on Github; everything is public, but why has it blown over? Everyone seems to be talking about it.

What concerned me, though, isn't the economic threat or the supposed drop in the cryptocurrency market, but a video I saw a few days ago on Instagram and TikTok, showing that traffic is being sent to China and on Alibaba Cloud. On the one hand, it sounds plausible because their servers are situated there, right? On the other hand, though, it is possible that it's sending our personal data.

What are your thoughts? Is it an economic threat? Do you also believe that it's collecting any data we submit to it?

I'm quoting an article and the video itself.

Video

Article

Deepseek really is an amazing project developed by China and it has made a tremendous hit in AI community   but it's impact on the economy is what needs to be studied intensely
It's impact is far reaching resulting in job market complications and global market competition