Balancing our Personal Believes, Religion and Gambling

[DPHOR]

Be informed that this is a general discussion, not a threat to take attacks on each other, drop your own perspective and state some reasons to back them up, let's make it more of being fun and informative with our actual facts.

What you must know about religion and it's believer is that you can't entirely control people who are not yet dead about physical and material things, just as the words says ( until a corn is dead it can never bring forth fruit). Therefore, if clergy is not yet totally dead about physical and material things he would never live to disobey the words and the belief of his religion.

Sincerely, if it was me I wouldn't accept it knowing too well that we don't believe in gambling and our religion condemned gambling, and why should I accept such offer knowing too well about that gambling is prohibited or are highly frowned upon anyone who gets themselves involved into it.

[Dewi Aries]

The casino paid you your win, and it's not like you stole other people's money to scammed them. You got lucky and got the funds from a legitimate source. Imagine if a responsible gambler, who gambles once in a while just to try his luck. He won big and decided to pay his tithe from his wins, it means that he is giving God the money and not the pastor.

The problem in my opinion is that everyone has a different view of gambling, some of them think gambling is a bad thing so no matter what, gambling is one thing that will not be easily accepted in all views of society. With the example you gave with just one try and being able to win because you are lucky, I will not change their perspective on gambling which considers it wrong and maybe because it is against their religion too.

Of course it is very clear that everyone has a different perspective on gambling but overall I think it is a fact that the majority of society has a negative stigma towards gambling which stigma arises because of the many cases of gamblers who experience various negative impacts such as those who experience problems in financial situations and family breakdowns which are all caused by gambling and also due to treating gambling in the wrong way such as being addicted and that is also what makes most people have a bad view of gamblers. On the other hand, however, gambling is an activity that depends on luck, especially when we talk about the type of casino game, wins that often come occasionally and cannot be predicted from the start are certainly the main reason here, so of course the idea of ​​getting a win with just one try is a result that occurs based on "coincidence".

[Vaskiy]

There are different types of clergy. This means different people have different opinions. I've come across a person who is very spiritual and wants to follow everything the holy book says. At the same time, his thoughts were well connected with the science. He says there is something powerful. It is up to one's own will and wish to believe it as God or something else to their understanding and knowledge. At the same time, he connects everything with science and makes the preaching. This gives people an understanding about religion and also says never believe my words. Just examine and believe if you find it right. The same goes for gambling. It's their personal choice to take gambling based on their own will and wish apart from what the holy book says.

[batang_bitcoin]

Those clergy men and in service to the church shouldn't gamble if it's about their rules inside of it. But we don't know what actually happens behind the curtains and that's why they have to justify whatever deeds they've done that are against the rules and if it includes gambling. Well, I am not going to judge them so that I won't be judged and that's simple as that because even if I want to make myself look clean, no one's actually clean if it's with these activities.

[AGULIS]

From an ethical standpoint, it seems to me that accepting money from gambling, even for the purpose of furthering a religion, raises questions about moral responsibility. The problem is not the money, but the source of the money. If we accept funds from a practice that can destroy people's lives, we may be complicit in that destruction, albeit at the level of good intentions.

Winning is not really a matter of money but it is a matter of where the money comes from, some people who have a religion that opposes gambling may reject money given from gambling sources but this is a case that often occurs in my country they say that those who reject money from gambling are too hypocritical, actually in my opinion if you win and don't want to accept it, it's better to talk about it properly so that there is no conflict.

The good intention of giving money from gambling will be a problem in my opinion, therefore we should just use it ourselves for our needs, after all we have to gamble using our own money.

If gambling is inherently harmful, should the act of engaging in it, even for personal gain, also be questioned? Is there a balance between personal freedom and the harmful effects of gambling?

[danherbias07]

Those clergy men and in service to the church shouldn't gamble if it's about their rules inside of it. But we don't know what actually happens behind the curtains and that's why they have to justify whatever deeds they've done that are against the rules and if it includes gambling. Well, I am not going to judge them so that I won't be judged and that's simple as that because even if I want to make myself look clean, no one's actually clean if it's with these activities.

I think the real issue is the donation. They don't really mind where it came from because the church doesn't actually have any funds that come from the government, they only rely on donations and whenever there's someone who will give money, they will probably just take it even though it came from a dirty job.
They don't gamble, most of them. But sometimes people tend to judge the receiver just because the money came from evil. I don't think it should be like that. The results of that money should be where we are looking at. If it will be meant for good or for the construction of the church then I think it's okay to receive it. The problem is if the money will be used to more evil.

[taufik123]

Those clergy men and in service to the church shouldn't gamble if it's about their rules inside of it. But we don't know what actually happens behind the curtains and that's why they have to justify whatever deeds they've done that are against the rules and if it includes gambling. Well, I am not going to judge them so that I won't be judged and that's simple as that because even if I want to make myself look clean, no one's actually clean if it's with these activities.

People are too hypocritical when it comes to gambling, those who look religious even more than we think.
We are not going to judge anyone, but in all religions hypocrites will always come up and say that Gambling is haram and so on, but in reality they are the ones who do it completely and even more often, not just about gambling but some other sinful acts.

It is indeed quite sensitive when it comes to linking with religion because each religion has its own rules, but it is not the religion that is wrong but the individual who does not improve themselves.

Knowing some of my wife's friends who seem very obedient to her religion and impossible to gamble, but in fact she has a Slot Game (High Domino Island) on her phone and even often makes a large enough deposit just to play slots, even exceeding the amount of deposit I made.
He may not realize that what is being played includes gambling and will certainly result in an extraordinary addiction if there is no good self-control.

[Sticky Bomb]

Secondly, some of us have been arguing on this before time, but I want us to go wide on this discussion using different approaches over it, which may includes the religious, political, economical and social believes to why Clergy men should gamble or not, lets sight examples where necessary, prove our point and learn from each other's opinion.

In my honest opinion, I'll say clergymen shouldn't gamble, not because it's bad if they do, but it would really look ugly if they get into a mess owing to their involvement. There's always a big temptation that every gambler withstands to gamble responsibly, and sometimes emotionally, a gambler might be unstable and still manage to attend church, now let's imagine if it's the clergyman that's emotionally drained as a gambler and he still has a church to pastor, we know how badly he'll likely perform.

It's very good for clergymen and leaders to always be emotionally prepared to discharge their duties and having to gamble might give the clergyman some distraction and emotional instability which isn't very good for his work.

[harapan]

Be informed that this is a general discussion, not a threat to take attacks on each other, drop your own perspective and state some reasons to back them up, let's make it more of being fun and informative with our actual facts.

My thought on this is that its not bad gambling for just a gambler but for a religious person or better still a clergyman I think it's bad to do so basically it's based on their beliefs and religious and mostly it's against their faith, so it's not advisable for them to gamble cause it spoils their reputation. But in the other way round I think have come across some clergymen that gambles but I really don't have a close reasons of why they do so but I feel everyone in life have flaws and they would always fall for something so balancing believes and religion to gambling can be very tempting.

[xenomorfo]

I believe in our minds, it is already very possible for us all to discern what is evil from what is good, this is how God has made humans and sincerely, even those who are idolaters know what is good from that which is bad, like for example, one can not tell me that stealing is the same as gambling, I personally have never seen gambling as a bad thing, and this does not matter whether or not my religion condemns it, my convictions remains that, if indeed, I am free to spend my hard earned money on anything that pleases me and does not affect the happiness of my neighbor, then gambling is not something bad to do if I decide it's what I want.

Same way we spend money on games that we end up nothing getting anything from, isn't it better to spend that same money on gambling where one (atleast) have a chance of getting something back if he or she is lucky, the only thing I've always preached against, and will always preach against is that no one should treat gambling as a means of livelihood, this I've said before I think, people should only gamble for the right reasons and not treat it like it's a job or business by totally depending on it for income.

Bravo, playing gambling if he does not create problems for others and creates them only to yourself is not a bad thing to do
Obviously i follow the NAP rules and therefore until you do damage to others we say that it is all legitimate and therefore i dont see anything wrong with following and gamble.
Even if i don't do it! I only play with friends to have fun!

[traderethereum]

Be informed that this is a general discussion, not a threat to take attacks on each other, drop your own perspective and state some reasons to back them up, let's make it more of being fun and informative with our actual facts.

My thought on this is that its not bad gambling for just a gambler but for a religious person or better still a clergyman I think it's bad to do so basically it's based on their beliefs and religious and mostly it's against their faith, so it's not advisable for them to gamble cause it spoils their reputation. But in the other way round I think have come across some clergymen that gambles but I really don't have a close reasons of why they do so but I feel everyone in life have flaws and they would always fall for something so balancing believes and religion to gambling can be very tempting.

For those who religious will not agree with gambling because that is prohibit in their religion. So they will not tolerate to those who playing gambling and will not accept the money too. They think that will be the same as they gambling if they accept the money because the source of the money come from gambling.

It is better those who gamble not telling to other people especially giving their win money to those people who religious. They will not like to hear about that and will say many things to that person.

[Doan9269]

Be informed that this is a general discussion, not a threat to take attacks on each other, drop your own perspective and state some reasons to back them up, let's make it more of being fun and informative with our actual facts.

My thought on this is that its not bad gambling for just a gambler but for a religious person or better still a clergyman I think it's bad to do so basically it's based on their beliefs and religious and mostly it's against their faith, so it's not advisable for them to gamble cause it spoils their reputation. But in the other way round I think have come across some clergymen that gambles but I really don't have a close reasons of why they do so but I feel everyone in life have flaws and they would always fall for something so balancing believes and religion to gambling can be very tempting.

For those who religious will not agree with gambling because that is prohibit in their religion. So they will not tolerate to those who playing gambling and will not accept the money too. They think that will be the same as they gambling if they accept the money because the source of the money come from gambling.

It is better those who gamble not telling to other people especially giving their win money to those people who religious. They will not like to hear about that and will say many things to that person.

But at some certain point in life, we all belong to either of the religious group and practice the same thing as still gamble, but as you have all said, for those in the position of a leader, Clergy may be reserved in coming out boldly in declaring that they are gamblers, even though some of them may be gambling in their closet without anyone knowing, money source should not be their priority, but instead, the heart that gives and the purpose of the giving should be the major concern.

If everyone giving to the religious body is investigated upon their source of money, then they may not be able to accept anything further from those that have been the sole funder of most of the recognized religious bodies.

[Dewi Aries]

Be informed that this is a general discussion, not a threat to take attacks on each other, drop your own perspective and state some reasons to back them up, let's make it more of being fun and informative with our actual facts.

My thought on this is that its not bad gambling for just a gambler but for a religious person or better still a clergyman I think it's bad to do so basically it's based on their beliefs and religious and mostly it's against their faith, so it's not advisable for them to gamble cause it spoils their reputation. But in the other way round I think have come across some clergymen that gambles but I really don't have a close reasons of why they do so but I feel everyone in life have flaws and they would always fall for something so balancing believes and religion to gambling can be very tempting.

Regardless of the religious issue, gambling is not bad as long as it is done or treated in a good and correct way, meaning it does not exceed your ability, especially in terms of allocating money as we often hear from the advice given by people, and related to religious issues, yes, this is about belief in a religion, simply put, if for example the religion makes gambling something that is forbidden in that religion, then of course they should not be involved at all in that activity, especially if for example they are one of the religious figures there and for this problem I think it also depends on the beliefs of the people there, and also depends on their personality, if for example they are one of the people who are quite hypocritical, then surely in front of the screen they will be like people who forbid gambling but behind the scenes they are also involved in it.

[ChiBitCTy]

Lol, of course he accepted the money.  The vast majority of religious outlets dont ask or care where the money is coming from, they just want the money.  Now as someone whos an agnostic atheist, I think a good majority or religions are simply out there to make money.  I DO NOT believe this to be the case for all.  However if anyone has seen the great HBO show Righteous Gemstones, well there's an example or mockery of how many churches work.  Did they care how they got their money? Heck no. 

[batang_bitcoin]

Those clergy men and in service to the church shouldn't gamble if it's about their rules inside of it. But we don't know what actually happens behind the curtains and that's why they have to justify whatever deeds they've done that are against the rules and if it includes gambling. Well, I am not going to judge them so that I won't be judged and that's simple as that because even if I want to make myself look clean, no one's actually clean if it's with these activities.

I think the real issue is the donation. They don't really mind where it came from because the church doesn't actually have any funds that come from the government, they only rely on donations and whenever there's someone who will give money, they will probably just take it even though it came from a dirty job.
They don't gamble, most of them. But sometimes people tend to judge the receiver just because the money came from evil. I don't think it should be like that. The results of that money should be where we are looking at. If it will be meant for good or for the construction of the church then I think it's okay to receive it. The problem is if the money will be used to more evil.

That makes sense, I think some of them still will question someone's donation if they have enough if it's from gambling or evil deeds. But those clergy men and churches that don't have anything left anymore, they wouldn't mind asking that because they are in need and so, they just swallow their pride and rules just for them to get supplication from whoever donates that money.

Those clergy men and in service to the church shouldn't gamble if it's about their rules inside of it. But we don't know what actually happens behind the curtains and that's why they have to justify whatever deeds they've done that are against the rules and if it includes gambling. Well, I am not going to judge them so that I won't be judged and that's simple as that because even if I want to make myself look clean, no one's actually clean if it's with these activities.

People are too hypocritical when it comes to gambling, those who look religious even more than we think.
We are not going to judge anyone, but in all religions hypocrites will always come up and say that Gambling is haram and so on, but in reality they are the ones who do it completely and even more often, not just about gambling but some other sinful acts.

It is indeed quite sensitive when it comes to linking with religion because each religion has its own rules, but it is not the religion that is wrong but the individual who does not improve themselves.

It's true about hypocrites are everywhere and there is even more with the religious one and the sects. That is why I won't be judging anyone so that no one judges me because I know it for a rule that if they're holy in their eyes, maybe the real Holy One above sees what they really up to. I like the closing statement you've said, they're still human being and these individuals should be the eye to looked upon and not the religion they are part of.

[Doan9269]

Be informed that this is a general discussion, not a threat to take attacks on each other, drop your own perspective and state some reasons to back them up, let's make it more of being fun and informative with our actual facts.

My thought on this is that its not bad gambling for just a gambler but for a religious person or better still a clergyman I think it's bad to do so basically it's based on their beliefs and religious and mostly it's against their faith, so it's not advisable for them to gamble cause it spoils their reputation. But in the other way round I think have come across some clergymen that gambles but I really don't have a close reasons of why they do so but I feel everyone in life have flaws and they would always fall for something so balancing believes and religion to gambling can be very tempting.

Regardless of the religious issue, gambling is not bad as long as it is done or treated in a good and correct way, meaning it does not exceed your ability, especially in terms of allocating money as we often hear from the advice given by people, and related to religious issues, yes, this is about belief in a religion, simply put, if for example the religion makes gambling something that is forbidden in that religion, then of course they should not be involved at all in that activity, especially if for example they are one of the religious figures there and for this problem I think it also depends on the beliefs of the people there, and also depends on their personality, if for example they are one of the people who are quite hypocritical, then surely in front of the screen they will be like people who forbid gambling but behind the scenes they are also involved in it.

Am not just satisfied completely that some of these Clergymen were not here to be hearing about all these, life is simple and made easy for us, but many have turned it to the other side and make it more horrible for themselves and others, gambling is fun, gambling is not theft, they do much believe in politicians who drops them huge amount of money stolen from the government purse on purpose, they won't query them, neither the source, if I gamble and people know me to be a gambler, then the approach they take on me automatically changes because they believe all gamblers are equal and the same, but when I offer them my money, they will gladly accept to the propagation of the gospel, what a mentality and a world full of mediocres.

[Dewi Aries]

Be informed that this is a general discussion, not a threat to take attacks on each other, drop your own perspective and state some reasons to back them up, let's make it more of being fun and informative with our actual facts.

My thought on this is that its not bad gambling for just a gambler but for a religious person or better still a clergyman I think it's bad to do so basically it's based on their beliefs and religious and mostly it's against their faith, so it's not advisable for them to gamble cause it spoils their reputation. But in the other way round I think have come across some clergymen that gambles but I really don't have a close reasons of why they do so but I feel everyone in life have flaws and they would always fall for something so balancing believes and religion to gambling can be very tempting.

For those who religious will not agree with gambling because that is prohibit in their religion. So they will not tolerate to those who playing gambling and will not accept the money too. They think that will be the same as they gambling if they accept the money because the source of the money come from gambling.

It is better those who gamble not telling to other people especially giving their win money to those people who religious. They will not like to hear about that and will say many things to that person.

Yes, but I think we cannot exclude the idea that there are always some hypocrites who, for example, engage in gambling even though they know that their religion strictly forbids such activity, and regarding the issue of accepting money, I think it depends on whether they know that the money is earned from gambling or not, because if the giver does not say it at all or even lies, then surely people who have a religion that forbids gambling will also most likely accept the money, but the case is almost the same as above in the sense that there are always hypocrites who are likely to accept the money even though they are told that it is the result of gambling.

[MorganaX]

Be informed that this is a general discussion, not a threat to take attacks on each other, drop your own perspective and state some reasons to back them up, let's make it more of being fun and informative with our actual facts.

My thought on this is that its not bad gambling for just a gambler but for a religious person or better still a clergyman I think it's bad to do so basically it's based on their beliefs and religious and mostly it's against their faith, so it's not advisable for them to gamble cause it spoils their reputation. But in the other way round I think have come across some clergymen that gambles but I really don't have a close reasons of why they do so but I feel everyone in life have flaws and they would always fall for something so balancing believes and religion to gambling can be very tempting.

For those who religious will not agree with gambling because that is prohibit in their religion. So they will not tolerate to those who playing gambling and will not accept the money too. They think that will be the same as they gambling if they accept the money because the source of the money come from gambling.

It is better those who gamble not telling to other people especially giving their win money to those people who religious. They will not like to hear about that and will say many things to that person.

Yes, but I think we cannot exclude the idea that there are always some hypocrites who, for example, engage in gambling even though they know that their religion strictly forbids such activity, and regarding the issue of accepting money, I think it depends on whether they know that the money is earned from gambling or not, because if the giver does not say it at all or even lies, then surely people who have a religion that forbids gambling will also most likely accept the money, but the case is almost the same as above in the sense that there are always hypocrites who are likely to accept the money even though they are told that it is the result of gambling.

There was this time I watched one documentary which said everyone actually have a price no matter their religious and principled life and in the case of some persons being hypocritical about their beliefs in gambling it is a perfect example of they have reached their price because their is a certain amount of money that would be given to this same person that immediately he would denounce the belief about gambling being bad or the money gotten from gambling.

[Oluwa-btc]

For me gambling is just like every other business because it has its risk just like other businesses have risk. Anyone thinking that there is something different from gambling should imagine building a house and natural disaster happen and wash it away or importing a ship of goods and having it sink in the ocean, that is to say there is nothing without risk. Without the risk, I don't know if there is anything people will complain about gambling. Therefore, I don't link religion or religious belief to gambling because religion is a personal, as I see our action to others more important than any other thing.

Most of these things are mostly the results of controversies about gambling.Meanwhile,balancing religion,beliefs and gambling can be very challenging to someone's life round aspects.

A lot of religious organizations prohibits gambling games and activities as they may seem explosive to their beliefs and religious teachings.Religion is a very threat to people's career,I've come across situations kicked in and people have been deprived from having complex relationships or connections with gamblers and religious leaders.

[lixer]

No one cares about someone's religion and them gambling, if the person is willing to do it themselves, why would anyone else stop him? It's the man's own mind to whether stop or continue.

I think there are people that still likes to care about them. They might be bored or they simply hate those or the people that are involved with those, so they do what they can to stop them or make them feel bad.

It's the man's own mind to whether stop or continue.

Yeah and as long as we know that we are right, we must not stop, although there are still hard-headed people that still can ignore any noise even what they are doing is already inappropriate.

I do not understand why you wouldn't consider it a personal reason than making it a wider topic and adding it under religion. Most of the religions do consider gambling as a sin if I am not wrong

Maybe he is just the type of guy that likes to share some matters, rather than solo'ing it? And then there are also people who don't mind listening to it. They might like it in fact to talk about and share their insights about it. I think yeah, you are right about gambling and religion but I think many religions view it lighter than a few. AFAIK, Islam religion is one of it that curse gambling a lot.