Balancing our Personal Believes, Religion and Gambling

[Samlucky O]

For me gambling is just like every other business because it has its risk just like other businesses have risk. Anyone thinking that there is something different from gambling should imagine building a house and natural disaster happen and wash it away or importing a ship of goods and having it sink in the ocean, that is to say there is nothing without risk. Without the risk, I don't know if there is anything people will complain about gambling. Therefore, I don't link religion or religious belief to gambling because religion is a personal, as I see our action to others more important than any other thing.

Most of these things are mostly the results of controversies about gambling.Meanwhile,balancing religion,beliefs and gambling can be very challenging to someone's life round aspects.

A lot of religious organizations prohibits gambling games and activities as they may seem explosive to their beliefs and religious teachings.Religion is a very threat to people's career,I've come across situations kicked in and people have been deprived from having complex relationships or connections with gamblers and religious leaders.

Religion is not a threat to people's career. just that this teaching has been compromised by many people who call themself religious teacher by teaching this sermon in different way. some religious doctrine preaches against gambling why others don't. so for that reason many people has been misleeded to an extent that it poses as threat  to people whereas it was not supposed to be so. for me i believe that the right doctrine teaches against gambling.

[Zoomic]

For me gambling is just like every other business because it has its risk just like other businesses have risk. Anyone thinking that there is something different from gambling should imagine building a house and natural disaster happen and wash it away or importing a ship of goods and having it sink in the ocean, that is to say there is nothing without risk. Without the risk, I don't know if there is anything people will complain about gambling. Therefore, I don't link religion or religious belief to gambling because religion is a personal, as I see our action to others more important than any other thing.

Most of these things are mostly the results of controversies about gambling.Meanwhile,balancing religion,beliefs and gambling can be very challenging to someone's life round aspects.

A lot of religious organizations prohibits gambling games and activities as they may seem explosive to their beliefs and religious teachings.Religion is a very threat to people's career,I've come across situations kicked in and people have been deprived from having complex relationships or connections with gamblers and religious leaders.

The reason religious organisations and societies restrict their members from gambling is because of the negative effect irresponsible gambling has on people, ranging from reckless spending, addictions, refusal to take up real jobs to becoming antisocial and many other effects. I am certain that if gamblers begin to gamble more responsibly without allowing gambling interfer with their jobs and personal lives, no religious leader would care if their members gamble. Yea, as long as they are not misbehaving.

If I was the clergy man, I would  accept the money as long as my member isn't exhibiting any questionable character. The clergyman even did well by reminding the gambler of the dangers of gambling. So, if he is going to continue to gamble, he must be careful.

[coolcoinz]

Ultimately all the priests are just men, which is why some of them will condemn gambling, while accepting donations that come from gambling, while others will gamble themselves. There's a number of real stories in the media about priests who gambled away all their savings, or who used to claim they'd donate the money to charity but ended up paying for drugs or prostitutes with it...

IN my case balancing is very easy because I'm not a religious person.
I try to be a good man and live a simple life. I don't need priests to tell me if I'm right or wrong according to their ethics. I'm fine with my own set of rules.

[Alphakilo]

In a society where gambling is not seen as a bad attitude or easily discriminated it wont matter. It will only matter when anyone gambling is discriminated. Gambling is not devilish its only a means of maling extra money so i dont see anything wrong with. Sometimes i ask my self wat is it that made people hate those who gamble so much? Perhaps itis the reaction of the gambler after losing or winning that is being discriminated not gambling itself.

The society is more relaxed and accepting of gambling. Some years ago you couldn't even talk about gambling in the public this is in my society.
It was a game for the "bad boys."
Agreed that gambling is not devilish it is only devilish because the people who gamble irresponsibly have gone on to commit some crime and damage their lives. This is the devilishness in gambling and not the game of gambling.
When a priest preaches against gambling, this is what their sermon is all about. If gambling were to be a full-time job like the type we have in organizations, there would be some organizational practices to do it responsibly, and the discrimination against it would cease.

[uneng]

Just be coherent with yourself and your personal beliefs, morals. As I see, to seek for balance means to seek for a functional life. And a functional life implies lack of addictions, what also implies you aren't causing prejudice and suffering to people around. You don't do to others, what you don't want for yourself.

Therefore, I conclude it's possible to be an adept of gambling, as long as personal limits are being respected. You don't have to put gambling above everything in life. You don't have to be greedy or fanatic for it. You can treat gambling as any other hobby practice you enjoy (and which also demands money to be executed).

I'm fine with the way I treat gambling, as I know its risks, how it works and until where I can go. Moreover, I don't deceive other people, neither give false expectations to them regards it. Even when promoting gambling through signature campaign, I make sure to talk about it in a transparent and realistic way. So, I'm fine with my conscience, and that is what matters after all.

[Hazink]

IN my case balancing is very easy because I'm not a religious person.
I try to be a good man and live a simple life. I don't need priests to tell me if I'm right or wrong according to their ethics. I'm fine with my own set of rules.

And to me, this is the best way to enjoy our lives to the fullest: just do that thing that your conscience tells you is right, and you don't judge yourself over it or condemn your actions.

Every preacher tells his own version of what they believe is right and wrong. Their explanations are based on their own individual beliefs, and they want others to accept it without objections.

[taufik123]

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I like the closing statement you've said, they're still human being and these individuals should be the eye to looked upon and not the religion they are part of.

In essence, we are all the same, those who are professional gamblers, beginners or anyone else in this forum, both have their own guidelines for life.
Have your own beliefs related to any religion or sect, the important thing is not to be too hypocritical to yourself, Life must be balanced.

[Proty]

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Religion is not a threat to people's career. just that this teaching has been compromised by many people who call themself religious teacher by teaching this sermon in different way. some religious doctrine preaches against gambling why others don't. so for that reason many people has been misleeded to an extent that it poses as threat  to people whereas it was not supposed to be so. for me i believe that the right doctrine teaches against gambling.

Yes almost all the religious I know of preaches against gambling and they believe gambling is a means of getting quick money with the mind set of not working and also with the desperation they have seen in addicted gamblers or people that lose large amounts of money, they view as laboring for self and not for others which is against so many religious teaching s. Some of this doctrine didn't really start today, so the nature of gambling them and now is not the same thing,so I think the best teaching should be moderation in all things

[tread93]

Just a short story I will like to tell before the main discussion, I was opportuned to listen on a telephone conversation between a man and a Clergy, what he ask was that if it is right for someone to gamble and won a jackpot, then bring a percentage of the winning to the Clergy, will he accept such as a sacrifice for the growth and developments of the religion? Knowing that the money was gotten from gambling fortune, the Clergy accepted the money but condem gambling.

Secondly, some of us have been arguing on this before time, but I want us to go wide on this discussion using different approaches over it, which may includes the religious, political, economical and social believes to why Clergy men should gamble or not, lets sight examples where necessary, prove our point and learn from each other's opinion.

Be informed that this is a general discussion, not a threat to take attacks on each other, drop your own perspective and state some reasons to back them up, let's make it more of being fun and informative with our actual facts.

When you look at what the bible says about gambling it doesn't specifically pinpoint it as a sin per say but it does say that it can be a form of idolatry since it promotes greed and the love of money.  I don't personally think that a little casual gambling is a bad thing when you're religious but its when it consumes you via the form of addiction that it can by especially destructive not only to yourself but to your loved ones and their's and your future. Of course they will accept the gift, I don't think any religious organization would say no to money tbh reguardless of where it came from (most of them have no clue where it comes from).

[AVE5]

I guess we just need to open our eyes because the world is evolving,  maybe in the past, gambling was considered a sin because of its effect on people, but nowadays gambling is very open to everyone, and as gamblers, we can learn how to be more responsible in our habits. That's all I can say, everything in excess is really bad, so as long as you gamble responsibly, you should be fine.

When it comes to religion, I just want to respect what others believe, and I don't want to argue because that never ends. As for me, I enjoy gambling; it doesn't hurt my finances and I'm living like a normal person even while gambling regularly, so I should be fine.

If a religion forbids gambling from it ethical religious practices would it not be going against the religious beliefs if a generation as now have it visioned Contrarily to what the accent believers being condemned it from the onset be like going against the religious practices? I'm talking about earlier religious and now religious generational insights because I've seen some old religious believers who lives strictly by religious laws while the younger generations tends to adapt to the opposite side.
Gambling to me hasn't been an evil even rather being a game competing against the bookmakers or friends as fun while stake of affordable values might be needed to make it interesting and while in a long time we can gamble responsibly as religious believers, I wouldn't see that as harm but it becomes a harm at the point of irresponsible effect of it.

[Wexnident]

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They only care with the latest source, they don't care with the second person, third person etc the way the previous people got the money.

And like that's the thing I suppose? Like why would that be the considered process anyway? Cause religiously speaking I haven't really heard of anything that makes it as such. Honestly speaking if the money was to help someone the source be damned lol. I'd 100% take it if I'm using it to help others.

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I heard people say the same thing as you many times and in fact it is one of those ways to know if someone is in someone bad, they use such claim to justify their bad doings like it is nothing since no one can identity a stolen money or a evil money.

No ones justifying anything here,  just pointing out that it is infinitely better for a religious person to accept money if it was to develop something or help someone in need compared to rejecting it because of them condemning something. While yes, it goes against the belief or whatnot, doesn't rejecting to help others when you're given the opportunity also go against it? And afaik there's only specific religions anyway that directly condemn gambling. Some of them just personally hate it or abhor it.

[ethereumhunter]

If a religion forbids gambling from it ethical religious practices would it not be going against the religious beliefs if a generation as now have it visioned Contrarily to what the accent believers being condemned it from the onset be like going against the religious practices? I'm talking about earlier religious and now religious generational insights because I've seen some old religious believers who lives strictly by religious laws while the younger generations tends to adapt to the opposite side.
Gambling to me hasn't been an evil even rather being a game competing against the bookmakers or friends as fun while stake of affordable values might be needed to make it interesting and while in a long time we can gamble responsibly as religious believers, I wouldn't see that as harm but it becomes a harm at the point of irresponsible effect of it.

But if you see what young generation did with their devices, they are playing gambling without anyone know even if that is their parents. So they are breaking their religion rules by playing gambling without anyone know because they can hide their gambling activity from all people around them. Some people think that playing gambling is not an evil as long as they can treat gambling as a fun thing. That is why we must balance our life with all things that we do so we don't get the side effect from gambling and could use gambling for have fun. Gambling will not be too dangerous for them if they can do like that because they always avoid to do something that will make them in trouble. But if they think that gambling is prohibit in their religion, they will not playing gambling and will stay away from that.

[Sticky Bomb]

Ultimately all the priests are just men, which is why some of them will condemn gambling, while accepting donations that come from gambling, while others will gamble themselves. There's a number of real stories in the media about priests who gambled away all their savings, or who used to claim they'd donate the money to charity but ended up paying for drugs or prostitutes with it...

Priests speak in accordance to their own understanding, most times biased and far from being balanced, but their congregations see their teachings as conclusions, which it's not. Every teaching I receive must be properly vetted by myself before I put it into practice. Most times I feel it's because most of them don't gamble for personal and apostolic reasons, they coerce their congregations to follow suit.

IN my case balancing is very easy because I'm not a religious person.
I try to be a good man and live a simple life. I don't need priests to tell me if I'm right or wrong according to their ethics. I'm fine with my own set of rules.

More like a free thinker right? Yeah it's okay to think for yourself and do what you want because in the end you're responsible for your own actions and your decisions and not allowing somebody's else mindset to control your life which might not be in line with what you want for yourself and end up living a controlled and caged life

[mdzahed134]

For me gambling is just like every other business because it has its risk just like other businesses have risk. Anyone thinking that there is something different from gambling should imagine building a house and natural disaster happen and wash it away or importing a ship of goods and having it sink in the ocean, that is to say there is nothing without risk. Without the risk, I don't know if there is anything people will complain about gambling. Therefore, I don't link religion or religious belief to gambling because religion is a personal, as I see our action to others more important than any other thing.

Most of these things are mostly the results of controversies about gambling.Meanwhile,balancing religion,beliefs and gambling can be very challenging to someone's life round aspects.

A lot of religious organizations prohibits gambling games and activities as they may seem explosive to their beliefs and religious teachings.Religion is a very threat to people's career,I've come across situations kicked in and people have been deprived from having complex relationships or connections with gamblers and religious leaders.

Religion never threat for a people life or career, because religion is a total complete guidelines where you can find good solution in your every day life. Gambling is very risky and people’s losing money here, so it has disadvantages, religion will never support anything harmful in our life. So as i knew mostly religion hardly restricted about gamble.

[EarnOnVictor]

For me gambling is just like every other business because it has its risk just like other businesses have risk. Anyone thinking that there is something different from gambling should imagine building a house and natural disaster happen and wash it away or importing a ship of goods and having it sink in the ocean, that is to say there is nothing without risk. Without the risk, I don't know if there is anything people will complain about gambling. Therefore, I don't link religion or religious belief to gambling because religion is a personal, as I see our action to others more important than any other thing.

Most of these things are mostly the results of controversies about gambling.Meanwhile,balancing religion,beliefs and gambling can be very challenging to someone's life round aspects.

A lot of religious organizations prohibits gambling games and activities as they may seem explosive to their beliefs and religious teachings.Religion is a very threat to people's career,I've come across situations kicked in and people have been deprived from having complex relationships or connections with gamblers and religious leaders.

Religion is not a threat to people's career. just that this teaching has been compromised by many people who call themself religious teacher by teaching this sermon in different way. some religious doctrine preaches against gambling why others don't. so for that reason many people has been misleeded to an extent that it poses as threat  to people whereas it was not supposed to be so. for me i believe that the right doctrine teaches against gambling.

I agree with the remark that some religions have been compromised, but if it is about preaching against gambling (even without a genuine fact), then count yourself lucky because it may be better for some people not to move close to gamble at all compared to what they are currently facing with gambling. It's not all of us who can control ourselves in gambling, we shouldn't deny that. However, as a person with his own mind and not the one you are led to believe this or that is the right way, you can do whatever you want to do so long as the law of the land allows it...and provided it's not hurting you in any way. To be honest, gambling hurts a lot of people, which is why religion preaches against it.

[Kristiyana]

For me gambling is just like every other business because it has its risk just like other businesses have risk. Anyone thinking that there is something different from gambling should imagine building a house and natural disaster happen and wash it away or importing a ship of goods and having it sink in the ocean, that is to say there is nothing without risk. Without the risk, I don't know if there is anything people will complain about gambling. Therefore, I don't link religion or religious belief to gambling because religion is a personal, as I see our action to others more important than any other thing.

Most of these things are mostly the results of controversies about gambling.Meanwhile,balancing religion,beliefs and gambling can be very challenging to someone's life round aspects.

A lot of religious organizations prohibits gambling games and activities as they may seem explosive to their beliefs and religious teachings.Religion is a very threat to people's career,I've come across situations kicked in and people have been deprived from having complex relationships or connections with gamblers and religious leaders.

Religion never threat for a people life or career, because religion is a total complete guidelines where you can find good solution in your every day life. Gambling is very risky and people’s losing money here, so it has disadvantages, religion will never support anything harmful in our life. So as i knew mostly religion hardly restricted about gamble.

Your point is valid mate, moreover you're right when you say that a religion does not support anything harmful in our life. Of course that's how it is, which is why most religion always prohibit their members from going into gambling. Reason been that they know about the negative effect that gambling can bring in Ones life, however for the fact that they are doing this does not make gambling being a sin. rather they wouldn't want their members to go through any mess caused by gambling.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

For me gambling is just like every other business because it has its risk just like other businesses have risk. Anyone thinking that there is something different from gambling should imagine building a house and natural disaster happen and wash it away or importing a ship of goods and having it sink in the ocean, that is to say there is nothing without risk. Without the risk, I don't know if there is anything people will complain about gambling. Therefore, I don't link religion or religious belief to gambling because religion is a personal, as I see our action to others more important than any other thing.

Most of these things are mostly the results of controversies about gambling.Meanwhile,balancing religion,beliefs and gambling can be very challenging to someone's life round aspects.

A lot of religious organizations prohibits gambling games and activities as they may seem explosive to their beliefs and religious teachings.Religion is a very threat to people's career,I've come across situations kicked in and people have been deprived from having complex relationships or connections with gamblers and religious leaders.

Religion is not a threat to people's career. just that this teaching has been compromised by many people who call themself religious teacher by teaching this sermon in different way. some religious doctrine preaches against gambling why others don't. so for that reason many people has been misleeded to an extent that it poses as threat  to people whereas it was not supposed to be so. for me i believe that the right doctrine teaches against gambling.

I agree with the remark that some religions have been compromised, but if it is about preaching against gambling (even without a genuine fact), then count yourself lucky because it may be better for some people not to move close to gamble at all compared to what they are currently facing with gambling. It's not all of us who can control ourselves in gambling, we shouldn't deny that. However, as a person with his own mind and not the one you are led to believe this or that is the right way, you can do whatever you want to do so long as the law of the land allows it...and provided it's not hurting you in any way. To be honest, gambling hurts a lot of people, which is why religion preaches against it.

You are not wrong to think that way @EarnOnVictor, based on my experience too, I can clearly say that some religion have been compromised and some of the religious leader are biased in their ways of teaching and partial in some of their believes. In my religion, different leaders have their own individual believes, comments and idea about gambling and some of this their believe is not really what was inscribed in the book of their religion, that was why I said that some of the leaders are biased and like you said, which I have also hear some religious leaders speak on, I totally agree that the reason why most of them speak against it is because of the harm it could cause someone that lose control not their self.

[Dewi Aries]

Religion never threat for a people life or career, because religion is a total complete guidelines where you can find good solution in your every day life. Gambling is very risky and people’s losing money here, so it has disadvantages, religion will never support anything harmful in our life. So as i knew mostly religion hardly restricted about gamble.

Your point is valid mate, moreover you're right when you say that a religion does not support anything harmful in our life. Of course that's how it is, which is why most religion always prohibit their members from going into gambling. Reason been that they know about the negative effect that gambling can bring in Ones life, however for the fact that they are doing this does not make gambling being a sin. rather they wouldn't want their members to go through any mess caused by gambling.

Apart from the issue of sin, I think rationally, religion should not allow its followers to do anything that has the potential to harm its followers, such as gambling, for example, because as we know, gambling has a very negative impact on a person's life, but on the other hand, talking about the negative impacts, there are still some gamblers who are safe even though they are quite active in gambling, so in my opinion, regardless of the issue of sin or not or whether your religion legalizes gambling or not, the point is that gambling will not lead you to many negative impacts in your life when you treat it in the right and proper way, that's the point in my opinion.

[Negotiation]

Be informed that this is a general discussion, not a threat to take attacks on each other, drop your own perspective and state some reasons to back them up, let's make it more of being fun and informative with our actual facts.

My thought on this is that its not bad gambling for just a gambler but for a religious person or better still a clergyman I think it's bad to do so basically it's based on their beliefs and religious and mostly it's against their faith, so it's not advisable for them to gamble cause it spoils their reputation. But in the other way round I think have come across some clergymen that gambles but I really don't have a close reasons of why they do so but I feel everyone in life have flaws and they would always fall for something so balancing believes and religion to gambling can be very tempting.

Yes when faith and religion are combined with gambling it can seem tempting to many because they can easily expect to gain something. But religion and faith usually try to show people a path that leads to confidence good decision making and conditional happiness. For this reason the relationship between religion and gambling is usually negative, because it is not conducive to a normal and stable lifestyle for people.

[danherbias07]

Apart from the issue of sin, I think rationally, religion should not allow its followers to do anything that has the potential to harm its followers, such as gambling, for example, because as we know, gambling has a very negative impact on a person's life, but on the other hand, talking about the negative impacts, there are still some gamblers who are safe even though they are quite active in gambling, so in my opinion, regardless of the issue of sin or not or whether your religion legalizes gambling or not, the point is that gambling will not lead you to many negative impacts in your life when you treat it in the right and proper way, that's the point in my opinion.

I like it that way.
Discipline. That's the short way to tell it. It is against the religion of most Christians but there are those who still do it and it's easier now because you can hide it from the superiors through gambling in our smartphones. So this rule is actually an individual decision, it's up to the follower if he will gamble or not because they will not have the means to monitor you every day, all they can do is hope that their followers will abide by the rules.
There are other religions that are hardcore with their rules against addictive substances, alcohol for example (beer, brandy, and vodka), I know a neighbor who always hid from his superiors just to drink with me and all he wanted was to have a good time in the weekends although there was a time that he was warned about what he is doing and might be kicked out of their religion because of it.
Still, he decided to have a good time up until now, and I think he won't stop because he knows that he is in control. It's just for having fun with his friends.