[Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Ramon Cardenas - May 4

[Botnake]

Well, that’s done, and as expected, Inoue dominated the fight. No surprise there.

So what’s next for him? Is he planning to move up in weight or just waiting for the next challenger? I heard there’s talk about giving Akhmadaliev a shot, so that could be his next scheduled fight.

Anyone here got the latest news or rumors about Inoue’s next move?

[aioc]

Well, that’s done, and as expected, Inoue dominated the fight. No surprise there.

I expect Inoue to dominate the fight, but I'm not expecting that he will get a knockdown; that's two in a row for him. Is he being careless, or is it just that he can't take a punch?

So what’s next for him? Is he planning to move up in weight or just waiting for the next challenger? I heard there’s talk about giving Akhmadaliev a shot, so that could be his next scheduled fight.

Anyone here got the latest news or rumors about Inoue’s next move?

How I wish it would be against Casimero, the guy is making fun of him, how many taunting before he agreed to fight Casimero, he never mentioned the name of Casimero, even though it's what the boxing fans want to see, he is either afraid of Casimero, or he doesn't want to give Casimero a chance.

[robelneo]

So what’s next for him? Is he planning to move up in weight or just waiting for the next challenger? I heard there’s talk about giving Akhmadaliev a shot, so that could be his next scheduled fight.

Anyone here got the latest news or rumors about Inoue’s next move?

Inoue is a big star, and he is not a fading star who picked low-level boxers to fight to make his record look good. He should go for the challenging stage of his boxing career, and this is by moving up and fighting the top dog there; he could rule the Featherweight division if he wants to.

There are a lot of great fighters in the featherweight division. For a tune-up in the featherweight division, I love to see him fight Robeisy Ramirez; they both have the same style, and they are both exciting to watch.

[bhadz]

Well, that’s done, and as expected, Inoue dominated the fight. No surprise there.

There is a surprise when he's down, I think that it was a good blow against him but he's able to recover quickly. It's still a beautiful ending on this match and Naoya just proved that he's the monster.

So what’s next for him? Is he planning to move up in weight or just waiting for the next challenger? I heard there’s talk about giving Akhmadaliev a shot, so that could be his next scheduled fight.

Anyone here got the latest news or rumors about Inoue’s next move?

Too early to tell, many wants to challenge him but he finds no challenge on it anymore. Likely that he'll move to the next weight that he can try and prove himself again. But I want to see him being challenged by the other popular names.

[Taskford]

Even if Inoue won those fight that knockdown made by Cardenas expose his weakness and I think he's not ready yet to go up or he will be in trouble. For sure fans want to see him fight again Casimero for last time since this comparison between Casimero would never stop if Inoue continue to ignore or evade to make this fight to happen.

It's a flash knockdown, the second of Inoue's career. This is a result of being too careless in his attack. Inoue is too confident in his attack, leaving a wide opening for Cardenas to exploit.

Inoue has a glass chin, and his future opponents will exploit this.
Because of this knockdown, Casimero again mocks Inoue as being too slow and moving like a turtle.
Cardenas is an unknown fighter; this should have been an easy fight for Inoue, but it still took him eight rounds, and he suffered a knockdown. Imagine if he's going to fight in the higher division and he has this chin.

That knockdown give Inoue a reminder that he's human and he need to be more careful dealing with his opponent. If it happens that many seconds left he's in total trouble but luckily he's been save by the bell. For what we see on that fight it gives good hint to his future opponent that Inoue weakness is on his chin so there's no doubt that they will exploit it to possibly score a win against the monster.

As expected on Casimero's action since he really want to fight Inoue, he try to get the attention of Inoue by mocking at him, but I don't think Inoue's camp will get affected on that and they will just ignore Casimero. Also yeah Cardenas is unknown fighter but we see good he is for fighting back Inoue. Its just he fell out short and lose against Inoue, but he literally scored nice record there since he makes the monster fall down which didn't happen on his past opponents.

[freedomgo]

As expected on Casimero's action since he really want to fight Inoue, he try to get the attention of Inoue by mocking at him, but I don't think Inoue's camp will get affected on that and they will just ignore Casimero. Also yeah Cardenas is unknown fighter but we see good he is for fighting back Inoue. Its just he fell out short and lose against Inoue, but he literally scored nice record there since he makes the monster fall down which didn't happen on his past opponents.

That’s not going away anytime soon as Casimero will always try to get attention, especially since he feels he got robbed of that fight with Inoue after it got canceled due to COVID. Here’s the thing: if Inoue can fight some no-name boxers, then why do some people say Casimero doesn’t deserve a shot?

Maybe that’s why some folks say Inoue’s just scared to fight Casimero, he’s not even giving him a chance.

[lionheart78]

Casimero has a solid chin, no doubt ,but that’s not really my point. What I’m saying is, if Casimero manages to land clean on Inoue’s chin and drops him, there’s a real chance Inoue might not recover.

I think we both agree that Casimero has devastating punches. If Casimiro had a solid chin, then that would be tested against Inoue.  Honestly, I so wanted to see these two boxers meet each other in the ring.  This way all the rumors about who is much better will be cleared. 

Sure, Casimero’s career hasn’t been smooth lately, but if you watch his past fights, his punching power is legit, definitely stronger than Cardenas and that other guy who once dropped Inoue. Power’s still power, and anything can happen in boxing.

We both agree that anything can happen in boxing, but it would not remove the fact that Casimero has this tendency to be wide-open if he initiates his offense, and that would be a huge factor in a match where both boxers have devastating power.  If Casimiro can KO Inoue, then the latter can do the same.  But sadly all we have right now is speculation on which one is a better boxer.

Also yeah Cardenas is unknown fighter but we see good he is for fighting back Inoue. Its just he fell out short and lose against Inoue, but he literally scored nice record there since he makes the monster fall down which didn't happen on his past opponents.

It is obvious that Inoue is winning but the stoppage is too early I think.  Cardenas was not badly hurt during those exhanges when the referee step in.  If we watch the clip of that scenario again, the last few punches of Inoue did not even connect.  May it be an early call for the referee, I am still ok with it to save Cardenas from further punishment.

That’s not going away anytime soon as Casimero will always try to get attention, especially since he feels he got robbed of that fight with Inoue after it got canceled due to COVID. Here’s the thing: if Inoue can fight some no-name boxers, then why do some people say Casimero doesn’t deserve a shot?

Maybe that’s why some folks say Inoue’s just scared to fight Casimero, he’s not even giving him a chance.

It is possible that Inoue's camp or manager sees Casimero as a big threat and has a high possibility of blemishing Inoue's perfect record, so it is not surprising to see his manager ducking the fight against Casimero as it was the practice of many popular boxer's camps in the industry.

[bbc.reporter]

Even if Inoue won those fight that knockdown made by Cardenas expose his weakness and I think he's not ready yet to go up or he will be in trouble. For sure fans want to see him fight again Casimero for last time since this comparison between Casimero would never stop if Inoue continue to ignore or evade to make this fight to happen.

It's a flash knockdown, the second of Inoue's career. This is a result of being too careless in his attack. Inoue is too confident in his attack, leaving a wide opening for Cardenas to exploit.

Inoue has a glass chin, and his future opponents will exploit this.
Because of this knockdown, Casimero again mocks Inoue as being too slow and moving like a turtle.
Cardenas is an unknown fighter; this should have been an easy fight for Inoue, but it still took him eight rounds, and he suffered a knockdown. Imagine if he's going to fight in the higher division and he has this chin.


 

It appears that this is becoming more clear if Naoya Inoue will fight more tougher opponents heheheh. This causes me to want him to fight John Riel Casimero more, I reckon. I did not like this before because Casimero appears to be a lazy boxer, however, after reading about Inoue's knockdown in this thread, this has gotten me excited to watch the replay.

I did not watch this fight because if I am being honest, I have forgotten about it hehehehe. I also wish that many boxing fans have forgotten about it also, to show the promoters that they need a more known opponent for Inoue. John Riel Casimero is certainly one of them.

[Dave1]

Even if Inoue won those fight that knockdown made by Cardenas expose his weakness and I think he's not ready yet to go up or he will be in trouble. For sure fans want to see him fight again Casimero for last time since this comparison between Casimero would never stop if Inoue continue to ignore or evade to make this fight to happen.

It's a flash knockdown, the second of Inoue's career. This is a result of being too careless in his attack. Inoue is too confident in his attack, leaving a wide opening for Cardenas to exploit.

Inoue has a glass chin, and his future opponents will exploit this.
Because of this knockdown, Casimero again mocks Inoue as being too slow and moving like a turtle.
Cardenas is an unknown fighter; this should have been an easy fight for Inoue, but it still took him eight rounds, and he suffered a knockdown. Imagine if he's going to fight in the higher division and he has this chin.


 

It appears that this is becoming more clear if Naoya Inoue will fight more tougher opponents heheheh. This causes me to want him to fight John Riel Casimero more, I reckon. I did not like this before because Casimero appears to be a lazy boxer, however, after reading about Inoue's knockdown in this thread, this has gotten me excited to watch the replay.

Yeah, and I think we have this arguments and going discussions why Inoue doesn't want to give Casimero his chance because of that power.  Imagine if Inoue will get caught by Casimero in the early rounds like this in which Casimero is still fresh, I reckon that Inoue won't beat the 8 counts.

I did not watch this fight because if I am being honest, I have forgotten about it hehehehe. I also wish that many boxing fans have forgotten about it also, to show the promoters that they need a more known opponent for Inoue. John Riel Casimero is certainly one of them.

Cardenas though said that he didn't felt the power of Inoue it's that he throws a lot of punches just like Manny Pacquiao. And it shows that Cardenas deserves to be the number 1 contender and we thought that he is just their to be a punching bag that's why we missed this fight.

[bisdak40]

It appears that this is becoming more clear if Naoya Inoue will fight more tougher opponents heheheh. This causes me to want him to fight John Riel Casimero more, I reckon. I did not like this before because Casimero appears to be a lazy boxer, however, after reading about Inoue's knockdown in this thread, this has gotten me excited to watch the replay.

I did not watch this fight because if I am being honest, I have forgotten about it hehehehe. I also wish that many boxing fans have forgotten about it also, to show the promoters that they need a more known opponent for Inoue. John Riel Casimero is certainly one of them.

If Casimero's left hook had hit Inoue, he might not have made the count, similar to Tete. However, as mentioned earlier, a fight between Casimero and Inoue seems unlikely now. Quadro Alas doesn't have anything that warrants Top Rank's attention, and his trash-talking to Inoue might not work this time, as he has been ignored multiple times by the Japanese Monster.

[Yaunfitda]

It appears that this is becoming more clear if Naoya Inoue will fight more tougher opponents heheheh. This causes me to want him to fight John Riel Casimero more, I reckon. I did not like this before because Casimero appears to be a lazy boxer, however, after reading about Inoue's knockdown in this thread, this has gotten me excited to watch the replay.

I did not watch this fight because if I am being honest, I have forgotten about it hehehehe. I also wish that many boxing fans have forgotten about it also, to show the promoters that they need a more known opponent for Inoue. John Riel Casimero is certainly one of them.

If Casimero's left hook had hit Inoue, he might not have made the count, similar to Tete. However, as mentioned earlier, a fight between Casimero and Inoue seems unlikely now. Quadro Alas doesn't have anything that warrants Top Rank's attention, and his trash-talking to Inoue might not work this time, as he has been ignored multiple times by the Japanese Monster.

And if that fight didn't materialized, many boxing fans are just going to imagine, the what if it was Casimero's hook that hit Inoue at the right spot and at the right time. Just like what you said, against Tete when Casimero caught him, it was over as Tete wasn't able to recover from that blows and he didn't survived that round. And I think Inoue is lucky, he is still in shaky legs but he was caught like in the 5-10 seconds before the round ends and so he did survived and was able to rest in the corner. If there is still like a full minute, for sure Cardenas will swarm him with combinations and who knows, maybe Inoue will go down again or withstood the power barrage of Ramon. Just too bad for Cardenas as it seems that he is ok before the referee stops the fight.

[btc_angela]

Casimero is too dangerous. He doesn’t want to end up like Tete who got knockdown because of the solid counter and ended up him unable to recover.

Not that dangerous, IMO, Casimero had lots of openning when he starts his offensive.  These openings may cost him the fight.  Btw, Tete was coming from an injury when he fought Casimero and has been inactive for 13 months.  The injury  might have a psychological effect on Tete when he fought Casimero plus the ring rust of being inactive for too long.

Casimero has a solid chin, no doubt ,but that’s not really my point. What I’m saying is, if Casimero manages to land clean on Inoue’s chin and drops him, there’s a real chance Inoue might not recover.

I agree, it's more of a question on Casimero's power punches are compare to Cardenas. We all know that Casimero throws a lot with bad intentions, and so even if it just glazes you, for sure Inoue might felt that power.

Sure, Casimero’s career hasn’t been smooth lately, but if you watch his past fights, his punching power is legit, definitely stronger than Cardenas and that other guy who once dropped Inoue. Power’s still power, and anything can happen in boxing.

That's what I'm trying to say, and Casimero too has good timing that's why he was able to knockout some of his opponents with that hook, either from his hands. And that's what we boxing fans think that he has a good chance to beat Inoue because of his power specially in early rounds.

[Fundamentals Of]

It is Cardenas who should be praised after this fight. He was a warrior. He showed to everybody that the monster isn't invincible. He could be hurt. He could be floored.

But just as many thought it is premature for a Ramon Cardenas to fight a Naoya Inoue. He may have the power but a monster is what it is. And for him to fight Inoue right in his first 12-round match, it means he is not yet ripe for it. You could hurt him, but can you stop him? Can you endure his power blows? Cardenas showed he couldn't.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

It is Cardenas who should be praised after this fight. He was a warrior. He showed to everybody that the monster isn't invincible. He could be hurt. He could be floored.

That punch that take Inoue down on the floor is really great and i love seeing the replay many times, that is the Punch that should land to the monster of Japan (not the world)

But just as many thought it is premature for a Ramon Cardenas to fight a Naoya Inoue. He may have the power but a monster is what it is. And for him to fight Inoue right in his first 12-round match, it means he is not yet ripe for it. You could hurt him, but can you stop him? Can you endure his power blows? Cardenas showed he couldn't.

True, he also downhis guard by taunting Naoya when he got the KO punch of the fight,. if he stay focused and did not do that, he might notr be KO that moment.
This fight is a big fight for Cardenas but nothing to add or not a big factor for Naoya!

[Oasisman]

Casimero has a solid chin, no doubt ,but that’s not really my point. What I’m saying is, if Casimero manages to land clean on Inoue’s chin and drops him, there’s a real chance Inoue might not recover.

I think we both agree that Casimero has devastating punches. If Casimiro had a solid chin, then that would be tested against Inoue.  Honestly, I so wanted to see these two boxers meet each other in the ring.  This way all the rumors about who is much better will be cleared. 

Seriously, are there still any chances for this to happen? Because it seems like Casimero were not really that serious in pursuing this match based on his past demeanor. I mean he has had some weight mismanagement issues. If he's really into this, he shouldn't let that happened in the first place.
About Casimero's ability, he might have a solid chin and devastating punches, but that's what he needs to retain along with proper conditioning to improve stamina until they face Inoue.

[milewilda]

It is Cardenas who should be praised after this fight. He was a warrior. He showed to everybody that the monster isn't invincible. He could be hurt. He could be floored.

But just as many thought it is premature for a Ramon Cardenas to fight a Naoya Inoue. He may have the power but a monster is what it is. And for him to fight Inoue right in his first 12-round match, it means he is not yet ripe for it. You could hurt him, but can you stop him? Can you endure his power blows? Cardenas showed he couldn't.

Actually people or boxing fans didnt expect for it but rather its the opposite that Inoue would be taking down Cardenas on which frankly speaking that this boxer isnt that known or popular yet there are those tons of sayings that Inoue is nitpicking his opponent but this is indeed that make people shook on seeing Inoue is down on the 2nd round. Actually this is a good fight on which you can see that brawl for brawl. Inoue did made out those recovery and there's tons of people been saying that he was saved by the bell? Also, you can read up tons of sentiments too about that if Casimero do able to hit up that clean then Inoue wont be able to get up.
Why people cant just that stop on trying to make those links about Casimero vs Inoue. They cant just that moved on and keeps on saying about this fight. Going back into the Cardenas fight then this is one of the best of Inoue fights against some good boxer same goes with Donaire who do give out some serious fight and brawl for brawl.

[Koadharber]

Casimero has a solid chin, no doubt ,but that’s not really my point. What I’m saying is, if Casimero manages to land clean on Inoue’s chin and drops him, there’s a real chance Inoue might not recover.

I think we both agree that Casimero has devastating punches. If Casimiro had a solid chin, then that would be tested against Inoue.  Honestly, I so wanted to see these two boxers meet each other in the ring.  This way all the rumors about who is much better will be cleared. 

Seriously, are there still any chances for this to happen? Because it seems like Casimero were not really that serious in pursuing this match based on his past demeanor. I mean he has had some weight mismanagement issues. If he's really into this, he shouldn't let that happened in the first place.
About Casimero's ability, he might have a solid chin and devastating punches, but that's what he needs to retain along with proper conditioning to improve stamina until they face Inoue.

He lacks discipline or putting up the blame into his nutritionist? Yes, he do have that those problems on which resulted into those missed match ups on which it supposed to be that have that higher chance for this fight to happen but due to those things then it did leave him behind. There are those words came from Inoue that fighting Casimero is useless or not worth. Speaking about stamina then basing up on
previous fights on what Casimero do have then its pretty obvious that he's that not having that good stamina and easily gassed out due to those punch swings in full power? or simply this this is just
his problem? Actually it could be improved but it do need up that discipline.

[freedomgo]

Seriously, are there still any chances for this to happen? Because it seems like Casimero were not really that serious in pursuing this match based on his past demeanor.

Casimero has been taunting Inoue, you’d know that if you follow him. So it’s clear Casimero really wants to fight Inoue, but Inoue always seems to have an excuse. Well, it makes sense since he’s the champ and Casimero isn’t even ranked high enough to be a mandatory challenger.

So with that, maybe that fight will just stay a dream for Casimero.

[bbc.reporter]

It appears that this is becoming more clear if Naoya Inoue will fight more tougher opponents heheheh. This causes me to want him to fight John Riel Casimero more, I reckon. I did not like this before because Casimero appears to be a lazy boxer, however, after reading about Inoue's knockdown in this thread, this has gotten me excited to watch the replay.

I did not watch this fight because if I am being honest, I have forgotten about it hehehehe. I also wish that many boxing fans have forgotten about it also, to show the promoters that they need a more known opponent for Inoue. John Riel Casimero is certainly one of them.

If Casimero's left hook had hit Inoue, he might not have made the count, similar to Tete. However, as mentioned earlier, a fight between Casimero and Inoue seems unlikely now. Quadro Alas doesn't have anything that warrants Top Rank's attention, and his trash-talking to Inoue might not work this time, as he has been ignored multiple times by the Japanese Monster.

Casimero's team should demand more from their Japanese promoters or Casimero should join Bob Arum's Top Rank hehehe! This is the only exception that I would argue that boxers should join Bob Arum. It might be easier for Casimero to get his chance if he is under a similar promoter as Inoue.

I wish the old Bob Arum will change from money grabber to promoter of superfights and I consider Inoue vs. Casimero a type of superfight but a lower type of superfight.

[Koadharber]

Seriously, are there still any chances for this to happen? Because it seems like Casimero were not really that serious in pursuing this match based on his past demeanor.

Casimero has been taunting Inoue, you’d know that if you follow him. So it’s clear Casimero really wants to fight Inoue, but Inoue always seems to have an excuse. Well, it makes sense since he’s the champ and Casimero isn’t even ranked high enough to be a mandatory challenger.

So with that, maybe that fight will just stay a dream for Casimero.

When you do look into social media then there's lots of talks about Casimero and there are even some trashtalks towards Inoue, I dont know if its real or just fake out but considering on how desperate Casimero
wants to fight Inoue then you can definitely say that it could possible This fight wont be able to happen or unlikely considering on the gap in between rankings then its normal for Inoue to have that lost
interest on fighting him.

It will be that remain a dream for Casimero.Instead on always having those bashes and trashtalks in socmed, it will be better that he should thrive on trying to climb up on ranks.