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March 24, 2025, 06:52:59 PM
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The term “formally learned trader” is a trader who worked for firm and a self-made trader would be someone who learned about trading on their own.I can say with utter confidence the probability of success….is a coin toss.

The psychological factors influencing a traders success are very important but are unique to each person regardless of whether they worked for a firm or learned on their own.Behavioral influences another factor a trader should put in consideration when trading because it is your attitude that determines one’s progression.
Traders who learned “on the job” can earn good money but their earning are highly dependent upon how the firm as a whole performs.

The larger the firm,it’s less likely the trader’s earnings will be linked to their own profits.There’s also a risk of losing your position due to someon else’s irresponsible act.

On the other hand,seeing the markets with incredible granularity is an amazing advantage to the observant trader.Further,the breadth of markets one can learn(and earn)helps inthe trader to find what suits them best.

A Self taught trader:
*Today’s markets are transparent and information is easily sourced online.Learning about the market and how to trade is attainable.
*If someone learns the market and then trades alone,they lack outside input.This can be a benefit or a hindrance depending on several factors.
*A sole trader doesn’t get input from other traders who may look at the world differently.For example,bouncing ideas off someone else can help a trader make a decision,refine their risk limits,trade location etc.Furthermore,people can’t watch everything all the time.Working with other traders makes it easier to stay on top of things.
*The downside of working with other traders are “people related”.For example,if the trader is a natural follower,susceptible to peer pressure,they can be spooked out of trades if their colleagues see the market differently.A self-taught trader needs to develop a thick skin if they want the of working in a group of traders.

FINAL THOUGHTS
Many traders today used to work for banks then decided to trade for themselves.They have the “formal training” but need to convert those skills to an entrepreneurial business model.

The self-made trader has the entrepreneurial spirit but lacks the granular details of how a bank operates.
Both types of trader have their hurdles but at the end of the day,it has more to do with each person’s commitment to doing the additional work necessary to risk their own capital for a living.
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March 24, 2025, 08:23:37 PM
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Its just like you say that a person that goes to school and the ones that doesn't have any qualification both knows how to trade, if they both trade, what will make them achieve success is their ability and strategy used, it will got to an extent whereby we may have to make use of our personal qualities and experience than relying on qualification without any performance to show or back it up, when we have the skill and experience, we can make trade and be profitable in it.

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March 24, 2025, 08:55:49 PM
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Both can be potential traders in the long run. But we all know trading is not just focused on fundamentals but more on technicals, it’s more on skills and experience rather than knowledge and theories alone. So anyone who is more experienced trading on the market and developed those right attitudes towards the success of trading will be likely become more profitable in the long run.

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March 25, 2025, 05:48:29 PM
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Formally learned trader
Self-made learned trader

It doesnt matter which one....

What matter most on here is that you should really be that become profitable. Both do share up with the same goals when it comes on having a good grasps towards this market. Earnings doesnt really depend whether you are self learn or having some mentor or guru.  I do rather see out that self learned have more advantage yet they are the ones who withstood themselves and finding out their path to learn on their own, in compared into those who are being spoon feed. Just like on what i have said that on the time or moment that you do able to have that learnings out of your own experience. It doesnt matter on which path you gone before on how to learn up that trading skills.

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March 25, 2025, 07:58:25 PM
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...Both types of trader have their hurdles but at the end of the day,it has more to do with each person’s commitment to doing the additional work necessary to risk their own capital for a living.

It must be admitted that self-education is not the best way to gain knowledge, despite the abundance of various information freely available. So a trader who has received a special education will be in a better position than a self-taught trader, and in this case, the statistics on profitability will always be on the side of the former, although there may be exceptions to the rule.

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March 25, 2025, 08:11:31 PM
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A self taught businessman can be richer than a business college graduate. Stuff like that happen all the time. The college can teach you the basics but unless you put some effort, you won’t create a difference. Also, I don’t believe you can learn trading in a school. If that was possible, everybody would do that and nobody would starve because everyone would be trading and making profits.

Self taught or not, successful traders don’t share their secrets and people think they can learn to be a successful trader from a teacher. If that teacher knew how to make good trades, he would do it himself. He wouldn’t teach anybody anything. Think about it.

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March 25, 2025, 09:39:15 PM
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Most people learn about trading on their own, they might have online mentors and all, but how many people attend formal classes to learn about trading, as a matter of fact, how many of such classes exist. I don't really know what you are driving at OP and what statistics you have to back up what you are saying and how many of such traders have told you of how they acquired their skills.

If you are talking about people who create trading channels and groups to share signals and teach people how to become rich through trading, then most of them are just scammers.

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March 25, 2025, 10:14:11 PM
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It doesn't matter because trading is not just having a lot of experience or knowledge in order to earn, but it depends on how they apply their learning. It is more on strategic planning and market analysis.

Might be an advantage to having proper training, but still, that never guarantees success because these traders may change for some reasons—emotional and mental issues.

At the end of the day, traders rely on their approaches and decision-making. And the results vary from their actions. We can be good traders as long as we are determined to work hard.
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March 25, 2025, 11:31:07 PM
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FINAL THOUGHTS
Many traders today used to work for banks then decided to trade for themselves.They have the “formal training” but need to convert those skills to an entrepreneurial business model.

The self-made trader has the entrepreneurial spirit but lacks the granular details of how a bank operates.
Both types of trader have their hurdles but at the end of the day,it has more to do with each person’s commitment to doing the additional work necessary to risk their own capital for a living.
A major distinction between the two types of traders would be the mindset that they approach the market with. For the trader who was part of an institution and worked there, they may not be under a lot of pressure to deliver satisfactory results at all times simply because their survival and salary does not depend on it but for a self-made trader you are under almost all emotional and psychological pressure because you are trading for the purpose of survival and whether you would eat or not depends on the trading results that you are able to get. Trading under such condition puts you under a lot of pressure.
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March 25, 2025, 11:33:41 PM
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The self-made trader has the entrepreneurial spirit but lacks the granular details of how a bank operates.
Instead of self-made you can also call it self-learned trader! Most traders these day are self-learned traders because they learnt trading by doing it with trial and error and overtime they also built confidence and will power to control their emotions. Now those traders can enjoy some good profits time after time but they also faced many losses in start phase.

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March 25, 2025, 11:39:36 PM
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Formally learned as a trader? A trader worked from a bank and now decided to trade on his own? and become a self-made trader?
I don't know how he would learn from banks to become a trader, but since you said if this trader knows how banks operate in the market, maybe there's a slight chance, but the problem is you are only pointing to one bank; there are lots of banks worldwide, so even if you know how banks operate where you work, that's still not enough to be a profitable trader.

Better learn how the market works and learn technical analysis, not just you know how banks operate because it won't help you in the crypto trading it is different from stocks and forex. That's you should learn a technical analysis and if you want to stay long in the market you also need to learn risk management and just keep your stop-loss as tight or stick with the 1% rule with 1:2.5 or more the chances of making profit with the 50% win rate still profitable in the long run.

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Yes, I do agree with it; they learn on their own, and that helps them discover more from scratch. Btw what was the first trading platform you used to trade? Mine Zebpay, an Indian CeX, and I grabbed $BTC at 350-450 USDT and it was my first trade there. Currently, I'm more occupied in trading and often using multiple traditional CeX like Bitget, Binance, etc.
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March 26, 2025, 03:09:21 AM
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The self-made trader has the entrepreneurial spirit but lacks the granular details of how a bank operates.
Instead of self-made you can also call it self-learned trader! Most traders these day are self-learned traders because they learnt trading by doing it with trial and error and overtime they also built confidence and will power to control their emotions. Now those traders can enjoy some good profits time after time but they also faced many losses in start phase.

Been self-made learner, it literally means the trader must have the determination to become a Philomath person, always having the extreme urge to learn new things and adapt to them without complaints with end products of becoming a prioritized trader. Self-trader have become one of the vapor reason why there have been some tactical changes, we know the routes that follows when one comes to the plain surface.

Why go through these processes? There's something to be nailed about and that's simply sticking to the fact to become profitable in the market. That's the end goal of every trader's plans in the market, it can take longer time but a target will be accomplished.



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If you want to be successful in trading, it is true that a business attitude and skills play a big role. I am officially trained trader and self-educated trader, we can notice some differences. It is that the firm’s effect on formally trained traders are bound in a circle or are bound in a firm. And there are firms to work according to the rules-in-law. On the other hand, self-educated trader can decide on his own. And he is independently but having low outer input for them is sometimes a little challenging, but in both cases the trader has to do their own skills and carefully work. I think those who are educated are good. And they are more advantageous. One thing I want to say is that trading’s success depends on the only confidence strategy and market monitoring. If you can adopt strategies properly, no one can stop your success no matter how you are educated. You will be successful one day.

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Its just like you say that a person that goes to school and the ones that doesn't have any qualification both knows how to trade, if they both trade, what will make them achieve success is their ability and strategy used, it will got to an extent whereby we may have to make use of our personal qualities and experience than relying on qualification without any performance to show or back it up, when we have the skill and experience, we can make trade and be profitable in it.

They both can earn the same or lose the same depending on how they're trading but I think a formally learned trader has more advantage here as he's learning from someone that's already a trader and the person can guide him or her on how to become a good trader. Mentors are good in trading as they'll make your trading easier for you by guiding you instead of you learning everything on your own and also losing money while you're learning. As you're being taught, you can keep on believing that you'll become a successful trader too as you're learning from someone that has gone through the same thing that you're going through. Self taught traders can quit very easily when they're not making profits.

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March 26, 2025, 11:38:09 PM
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A self taught businessman can be richer than a business college graduate. Stuff like that happen all the time. The college can teach you the basics but unless you put some effort, you won’t create a difference. Also, I don’t believe you can learn trading in a school. If that was possible, everybody would do that and nobody would starve because everyone would be trading and making profits.

Self taught or not, successful traders don’t share their secrets and people think they can learn to be a successful trader from a teacher. If that teacher knew how to make good trades, he would do it himself. He wouldn’t teach anybody anything. Think about it.
Traders, regardless if they learned it in school or at home, both are bound to make profits. But one may reap more than the other, higher than the other, because the efforts and hard work he endure are obviously bigger and heavier than the other. The one who’s more dedicated to his trading career makes bigger difference than the other.

This only proves that there is no impossible with trading. Educated or not, skilled or not, or rich or not, all of them can freely trade but they cannot expect that they will all get uniform profits or losses. One who exerts more efforts will always make a bigger difference than the others.
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A self taught businessman can be richer than a business college graduate. Stuff like that happen all the time. The college can teach you the basics but unless you put some effort, you won’t create a difference. Also, I don’t believe you can learn trading in a school. If that was possible, everybody would do that and nobody would starve because everyone would be trading and making profits.

Self taught or not, successful traders don’t share their secrets and people think they can learn to be a successful trader from a teacher. If that teacher knew how to make good trades, he would do it himself. He wouldn’t teach anybody anything. Think about it.
Traders, regardless if they learned it in school or at home, both are bound to make profits. But one may reap more than the other, higher than the other, because the efforts and hard work he endure are obviously bigger and heavier than the other. The one who’s more dedicated to his trading career makes bigger difference than the other.

This only proves that there is no impossible with trading. Educated or not, skilled or not, or rich or not, all of them can freely trade but they cannot expect that they will all get uniform profits or losses. One who exerts more efforts will always make a bigger difference than the others.
Both are ending up on the same path or same goal on which is to make money out of these market movements. Yes, its true that it wont matter much on where and when they have been able to learn up their trading lessons on which neither on free or a paid way on which it wont matter much. There might be some difference about on those learning courses or set up but still sharing up on the same way on what they should gonna learn in the end of the line. Profitability will be basing up on how well you do make yourself handle with this volatile space. Decisions be made will really be that having that different reactions on how a certain trader would be able to do accordingly. There are ones who are really that good when it comes to risks management and there are ones who are really that making up themselves like a gambler.

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March 27, 2025, 04:09:51 AM
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yeah the profitability is like a coin toss, it's just depend on the person itself

but I'd like to think that self made trader are more committed for the simple fact that they might do trading 24/7 while the formally learned trader aren't as "invested" but even then it's still just speculation, no study linked whatsoever.
just like how trading itself which most of the time also coin toss chance with current market Grin. profitability for both formally learned trader and self made trader will also depend on their talent and their capital readiness.

too much thing need to be taken into account.

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April 06, 2025, 12:16:58 PM
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Both can be potential traders in the long run. But we all know trading is not just focused on fundamentals but more on technicals, it’s more on skills and experience rather than knowledge and theories alone. So anyone who is more experienced trading on the market and developed those right attitudes towards the success of trading will be likely become more profitable in the long run.

Despite their qualifications in life,both can be extremely disciplined and principled traders in the field too,they can both be successful and earn  significant profits from the same field while implementing different trading theories and concepts.
I can't really place any comparative difference between a self made trader and a formally learned trader;there're only trader with existing differences and expectations.

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I think formal educated traders tend to trade for firms and organizations. You learn to be a broker, where to get the best deals and where to negotiate on commissions and what not. They learn about how to take orders on behalf of clients. How to place these orders. How to split orders up.

If youre just trading your own money on a terminal, you really dont need that formal learning.

Vice versa you can't really self learn to trade as a broker on the phone and what not Smiley

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