Trump tariffs can strengthen all country's economy while weakening the colony's!

[Taskford]

I'm really unsure of how this procedure is going to go. So far, I believe that this action will backfire; it completely isolates the USA from the rest of the world. On the one hand, some claim that this will boost the USA's production and, ultimately, their economy; on the other hand, it will cause a large number of goods in the USA to skyrocket. Whether we like it or not, most products are now manufactured in China or other third-world countries such as Bangladesh, Vietnam, Indonesia, or others. How is the USA going to cover such a huge market share?

I really dont know what Trump and his advisers are trying to accomplish with this. If they think that all the manufacturing will simply move to America, that is simply not possible. You are right. And frankly, this whole thing reeks of a poorly thought-out gamble. Americans are used to cheap goods, and those goods come from places where labor costs are a fraction of what they are there. And this fantasy of suddenly replacing the manufacturing capacity of China, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Indonesia?  Its laughable. Where are the factories? Where is the workforce? Where is the infrastructure? It is going to take decades, and billions of dollars, even if it were possible.

There's some answer provided written on this site https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/03/trump-tariffs-goals-deficit-jobs.html

But I don't really see anything positive it could bring to US since instead of getting lot of revenues and reviving their manufacturing firm they creating huge conflict on many countries in the world. Trump is like doing an experiment on this situation he made and just take this out if everything will not fall according to his plan. So hopefully he would stop this crazy implementation he made since this will not give them any positive result. Sometimes I think Trump made this decision to crippled the economy of China but for sure he cannot do that easily since Chinese products and goods is been distributed in many countries.

[Wind_FURY]

but from the MAGA Team's own viewpoint, it's the first phase of bringing manufacturing and industry back in the United States. I will start a topic when I do my own DYOR.

Looking forward to your analysis.

I have a counter argument to this section though, it is based on a real example and by including people's purchasing power that nobody thinks about when they say all these actions are going to improve domestic production situation.
Should I post it or wait?

Post it, because I may not start a topic and merely post what I find after my DYOR in this topic.

I like discussing things with people I can actually learn from, even if we do have different viewpoints. But about the MAGA Economic "Plan", it's to return the U.S. as a manufacturing and industrial, export-driven nation, but at the risk of devaluing their currency.

BUT because China, Vietnam, Japan, Mexico, and many other countries are also export-driven, mainly exports that go to the U.S., then they also need to devalue their own currencies, WHICH will mean - BRRRRRRRR.

HODL those Bitcoins my fellow plebs.

[Smartprofit]

I think Donald Trump understands that governments of all countries will be very unhappy with his actions. However (perhaps) his calculation is that he will be able to lure businessmen from these countries to his side.

He seems to be telling them - "Aren't you tired of trade wars? Tired? Then move your production (factories and plants) to the United States! Then you will not have to pay these duties. The United States earned 6-7 trillion US dollars on this whole story with duties and this money goes to compensate for tax breaks for businesses. You will pay minimal taxes! Don't be fools, move your production to us - to the United States."

In any case, there will be chaos in the world in the near future. I wonder how all this will affect the price of Bitcoin. After all, Bitcoin is also an industrial production in essence. And all economic and industrial ties will now be rebuilt and this is not an easy process.

[pooya87]

Post it, because I may not start a topic and merely post what I find after my DYOR in this topic.

I believe these policies will backfire because of "people's purchasing power". Everyone agrees that this economic war with the world will cause inflation in the US (last time: https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/trump-tariffs-biden-tariffs/) which means people won't be able to afford products at current prices anymore, let alone at higher prices.

So what the domestic producers will face is two major issue:
- Higher product prices which is partly because of inflation and partly because it generally costs more to produce stuff in the US.
- Smaller sales because inflation and recession will decrease people's purchasing power which simply means people spend less money in general.

That means either the production in US fails or those that don't fail have to start lowering the quality of their products to be able to lower their price and maximize their profit.
Now lower quality products means two things:
- The imported products become more alluring, even if they are more expensive!
- US made products will not be able to compete internationally (lower exports) which means the trade deficit will grow even bigger (something the tariffs were trying to fix)
Therefore the backfiring.

We went through that a couple of years ago in our home appliance market. We do have the local production but a lot of stuff were imported specially from South Korea. Some day the time South Koreans decided to pull out of our market abruptly and also steal about $7-$10 billion of our money blaming the US sanctions, simultaneously we were facing high inflation at that time. The combination meant local brands had to increase their prices while trying to keep their customers in a market without competition! So they ended up lowering their quality and still raise their price to the point where certain even more expensive imported home appliance had more demand than the cheaper locally produced products.

[EarnOnVictor]

This can strengthen economy of every country while it can even go as far as destroying US economy. Lets see how...

You are right, but instead of using "every country," I prefer using "some countries." Because some countries will be fools forever, especially those in African and Asian. But of course, it will help many countries and reshape alliances. Canada has visited Europe on economic ties, and Brazil and others are doing the same with different countries. I also watched the news that Western companies are planning to return to Russia, so you are right. More countries aside from the US will benefit from this. The world is changing!

The way he is waging an economic war against the rest of the world is only going to have one consequence: it will isolate the colony. Specially now that the Old World Order is dead (the world where US was the only power) and we've entered a New World Order (multipolar world).

The issue with Trump is that he uses business sense, not knowing that it doesn't work in politics, it will backfire. The US will lose economic and political relevance, and even the new intergovernmental organizations like BRICS will begin to gain more members. Trump has scared the world into rethinking that it's wrong for any country to have too much power and dominance, there must be distribution.

This picture is funny. Is Donald crying? Hahaha

[Stalker22]

There's some answer provided written on this site https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/03/trump-tariffs-goals-deficit-jobs.html

But I don't really see anything positive it could bring to US since instead of getting lot of revenues and reviving their manufacturing firm they creating huge conflict on many countries in the world. Trump is like doing an experiment on this situation he made and just take this out if everything will not fall according to his plan. So hopefully he would stop this crazy implementation he made since this will not give them any positive result. Sometimes I think Trump made this decision to crippled the economy of China but for sure he cannot do that easily since Chinese products and goods is been distributed in many countries.

Its true he may be employing some risky negotiation tactics here.  Perhaps the sledgehammer approach with tariffs to force changes and  I get the goal of bringing back jobs, but the mess created along the way gives me pause.  And alienating trade partners could have lasting effects.  Blunt instruments often hit unintended targets or recoil back on those wielding them.  A leader should understand that.

[SilverCryptoBullet]

I believe these policies will backfire because of "people's purchasing power". Everyone agrees that this economic war with the world will cause inflation in the US (last time: https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/trump-tariffs-biden-tariffs/) which means people won't be able to afford products at current prices anymore, let alone at higher prices.

So what the domestic producers will face is two major issue:
- Higher product prices which is partly because of inflation and partly because it generally costs more to produce stuff in the US.
- Smaller sales because inflation and recession will decrease people's purchasing power which simply means people spend less money in general.

That means either the production in US fails or those that don't fail have to start lowering the quality of their products to be able to lower their price and maximize their profit.
Now lower quality products means two things:
- The imported products become more alluring, even if they are more expensive!
- US made products will not be able to compete internationally (lower exports) which means the trade deficit will grow even bigger (something the tariffs were trying to fix)
Therefore the backfiring.

I agree on coming changes in company producing infrastructures and their product quality as well cost and price, and surely many people will be affected and don't like this tariff war and its consequences.

Though short term and mid term consequences are negative and very negative, I think this strategy that possibly to bring company producing infrastructures back to the USA, in long term will be very good for their companies and the country as well as citizens.

Because it's nothing good to put your main production infrastructures in another nation especially in a nation that can be your direct competitor or main challenger in future. Any strategic or policy changes in that competitor, will put your companies and nation at risk. I can not step in shoes of Trump and know about his thinking, but it's my opinion.

Don't build your house on land of others, and bring companies and productions back to your homeland is good in long term.

The pandemic years shown fact of how weak and vulnerable the logistics and productions of European and USA companies are by relying too much on China.

Tariff war, I am unsure how it will end.

[pooya87]

The "backfiring" of aggression continues as people are now protesting against these policies across the colony.
Remember that many voted for Trump because they believed in his fake promises of fixing the weak US economy and make it "great again" and now the already weak middle class is screwed because of these economic policies.

All of that is happening while the countries in that list haven't even started retaliating against these acts of aggression! For example if China bans import of US agricultural products like soybeans, there is nobody else to sell those products to and millions of American farmers would become jobless.

This can strengthen economy of every country while it can even go as far as destroying US economy. Lets see how...

You are right, but instead of using "every country," I prefer using "some countries." Because some countries will be fools forever, especially those in African and Asian.

My focus is on the opportunity which exists for all countries and also all of them can take advantage of it. How many will take advantage? I can't predict but you are right, many will miss it which is why I brought it up here.
But I am certain about one thing: every country will have to do something because the world is getting more destabilized...

Because it's nothing good to put your main production infrastructures in another nation especially in a nation that can be your direct competitor or main challenger in future.

One of the issues with this logic which is usually overlooked is that it is in direct contradiction to what US stands for. This attitude destroys their whole soft power and ideology.

To put simply you can't talk about liberal economy and then dictate what people/companies should do with their money. You can't talk about capitalism and maximizing profits and then dictate companies to destroy their profitability and start hemorrhaging money just because you want to start a war with the world.
And if you take these isms from US, what would be left of it? That's how USSR got dissolved

[danadc]

Most opinions on this topic are negative, I'm not the devil's advocate, but Trump isn't stupid , He knows exactly what he's doing Why do others care? Is anyone here the government? Because if it is the government, I understand.

Why do I see positive things here? Not because of trade or opportunities, The global financial system is corrupt, it's rotten, What could Trump possibly want? To end this corrupt system where inflation is excessively high and where even the smallest being is born in debt To end this corrupt system where not even fiat money is backed by gold (because it's almost a sexual fantasy to say it is). When this farce of an economy ends, everything can be revalued through a new system.

What system is it? I don't know. But there's one thing I'm sure of Trump knows very well what he's doing, He's turned off the money supply to other countries that are living off wars, suffering, and debt, all of us who, without realizing it, are in a rotten economic system.

What should we do? Buy BTC. It's the most logical thing to do. And those who don't believe in BTC, well, they should buy gold.

How many of you on the forum defend the current economy? I mean the fiat economy that exists in the world ? We have to start from there. Well, not me For me, an alternative economy like BTC is much safer , It's the opportunity for those who talk so much about the DCA method Now more than ever, DCA. And take advantage of the chaos to buy cheap BTC  If the price drops, then more will be bought.

[Wind_FURY]

I think Donald Trump understands that governments of all countries will be very unhappy with his actions. However (perhaps) his calculation is that he will be able to lure businessmen from these countries to his side.

He seems to be telling them - "Aren't you tired of trade wars? Tired? Then move your production (factories and plants) to the United States! Then you will not have to pay these duties. The United States earned 6-7 trillion US dollars on this whole story with duties and this money goes to compensate for tax breaks for businesses. You will pay minimal taxes! Don't be fools, move your production to us - to the United States."

From the interest of the United States and from their viewpoint, there's probably a "noble cause" on why Trump is starting the "Tariff Chaos" and imposing "Reciprocal Tariffs". That's to save their country from a Debt Crisis. I'm absolutely sure there are people behind the MAGA Group, like Scott Bessent, who believe that the current PAIN is probably worth it, and that they are changing the path of the U.S. from failure to success.

Or I'm probably just naive.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Taskford]

There's some answer provided written on this site https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/03/trump-tariffs-goals-deficit-jobs.html

But I don't really see anything positive it could bring to US since instead of getting lot of revenues and reviving their manufacturing firm they creating huge conflict on many countries in the world. Trump is like doing an experiment on this situation he made and just take this out if everything will not fall according to his plan. So hopefully he would stop this crazy implementation he made since this will not give them any positive result. Sometimes I think Trump made this decision to crippled the economy of China but for sure he cannot do that easily since Chinese products and goods is been distributed in many countries.

Its true he may be employing some risky negotiation tactics here.  Perhaps the sledgehammer approach with tariffs to force changes and  I get the goal of bringing back jobs, but the mess created along the way gives me pause.  And alienating trade partners could have lasting effects.  Blunt instruments often hit unintended targets or recoil back on those wielding them.  A leader should understand that.

Also for sure Trump know that capitalism exist and even if he impose large tariffs to certain country still it will backfire to them as the price of products that exported to their country might also increase.

He created a huge messed for implementing this tariff's and this provably can make other country to decide to stay away on US market and find other alternative country to deal with.

Don't know if Trump made a lot of studies about this, We could see its bad effect as the stock and crypto market is been affected by this tariffs wars happening. Trump should do something else and he should not provoke other country since this will create more issues if he would do more crazy decisions.

[As-Soon-As]

I think Donald Trump understands that governments of all countries will be very unhappy with his actions. However (perhaps) his calculation is that he will be able to lure businessmen from these countries to his side.

He seems to be telling them - "Aren't you tired of trade wars? Tired? Then move your production (factories and plants) to the United States! Then you will not have to pay these duties. The United States earned 6-7 trillion US dollars on this whole story with duties and this money goes to compensate for tax breaks for businesses. You will pay minimal taxes! Don't be fools, move your production to us - to the United States."

From the interest of the United States and from their viewpoint, there's probably a "noble cause" on why Trump is starting the "Tariff Chaos" and imposing "Reciprocal Tariffs". That's to save their country from a Debt Crisis. I'm absolutely sure there are people behind the MAGA Group, like Scott Bessent, who believe that the current PAIN is probably worth it, and that they are changing the path of the U.S. from failure to success.

Or I'm probably just naive.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Tariffs Are Just the Tip of the Iceberg, Warns Billionaire Investor Ray Dalio
Crypto and equities have moved in lockstep, amid what Ray Dalio calls a “once-in-a-lifetime” breakdown in the global order.

While these tariff announcements are very important developments and we all know that President Trump caused them, most people are losing sight of the underlying circumstances that got him elected president and brought these tariffs about,"

https://decrypt.co/313854/tariffs-billionaire-investor-ray-dalio


However, Trump is being blamed for creating this chaos due to tariffs, even though this measure was taken to eliminate the country's economy and debt, which has completely reversed in the current situation.
Someone is responsible for increasing tariffs for dumping the Bitcoin market, and the root of all this is this Trump who is the cause of the chaos in the current situation.

[DubemIfedigbo001]

Imagine this scenario: US imposes 54% tariffs on China and China decides to reciprocate and impose tariffs on major agricultural exports of US (soybeans and corn) two items that were worth 50 billion dollars.
You are Thailand with 36% new tariffs (and have your tariffs on US products) but see that $50 billion opportunity in China and you already produce soybeans and corn, you can easily increase your production and exports to China to take over than market. Now US exports $50 billion less as its economy shrinks by that much while Thailand exports $50 billion more as its economy grows by that much

But I should emphasize again that this golden opportunity has to first be recognized and the governments have to put a lot of effort to be able to use it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StockMarket/comments/1jtnrs6/trump_to_impose_50_additional_tariffs_on_china_if/

China has retaliated and he is crying out and threatening to impose 50% more if they don't remove theirs. We all know China is not a country that likes to loose face and there is no way they are removing those tariffs. Seems Trump is set out on a more destructive move again if he imposes this threatened extra tariff on China by tomorrow, it might not really end well, let's continue being spectators to his tariff games.

[hyudien]

Before the tariffs were officially announced I thought the countries on the list would beg Trump but that didn’t happen and instead countries like the European Union gave the same response by implementing 25% tariffs. A form of resistance that the US should be worried about regardless of how they defend themselves going forward this proves that the tariff policy that Trump is trying to push has a bigger backlash. China clearly feels that there is nothing to worry about and has issued an ultimatum of 34% on all US goods. If every country continues to fight it means we are entering a new phase that will undermine the stability of the global economic order.

[Zlantann]

China has retaliated and he is crying out and threatening to impose 50% more if they don't remove theirs. We all know China is not a country that likes to loose face and there is no way they are removing those tariffs. Seems Trump is set out on a more destructive move again if he imposes this threatened extra tariff on China by tomorrow, it might not really end well, let's continue being spectators to his tariff games.

The US government claimed that about 50 countries are calling the White House asking for negotiations. China's economy is having some issues due to the real estate market crisis. But I see them as the only country apart from Russia, Iran, and others that can withstand US sanctions. Already, China is used to US sanctions and has developed a network of global trading partners that can keep their economy afloat for a long time. I don't see China backing down, they will keep retaliating until both economies will suffer the negative impact.

[RockBell]

Also for sure Trump know that capitalism exist and even if he impose large tariffs to certain country still it will backfire to them as the price of products that exported to their country might also increase.

He created a huge messed for implementing this tariff's and this provably can make other country to decide to stay away on US market and find other alternative country to deal with.

Don't know if Trump made a lot of studies about this, We could see its bad effect as the stock and crypto market is been affected by this tariffs wars happening. Trump should do something else and he should not provoke other country since this will create more issues if he would do more crazy decisions.

Trump's decision might be as if it is helping them but in the same way, it will affect them one or the other and it might be sustainable for the industries. Still, at the same time, it might not be in favor because the price of goods will also increase. I don't know why Trump is not considering all his actions before finalizing and now is trying to make the price of things go high because the moment there is an increase in importation then the price of goods will increase. I don't know what his thinking is increasingly going to help them.

And some of the implementations that Trump is going to be coming up with will for sure affect the economy of the country he needs to get proper advice on most of his decisions and not just something random and we know he wants to fix the economy of the country, and even if the crypto market is affected I don't think it will be for long because we know how exactly the economy issues because the way trump is managing the economy.

[Sticky Bomb]

China has retaliated and he is crying out and threatening to impose 50% more if they don't remove theirs. We all know China is not a country that likes to loose face and there is no way they are removing those tariffs. Seems Trump is set out on a more destructive move again if he imposes this threatened extra tariff on China by tomorrow, it might not really end well, let's continue being spectators to his tariff games.

The US government claimed that about 50 countries are calling the White House asking for negotiations. China's economy is having some issues due to the real estate market crisis. But I see them as the only country apart from Russia, Iran, and others that can withstand US sanctions. Already, China is used to US sanctions and has developed a network of global trading partners that can keep their economy afloat for a long time. I don't see China backing down, they will keep retaliating until both economies will suffer the negative impact.

From my assertion, Trump is starting an economic war with those he should be making allys. And while he thinks he's making a very sharp move to reclaim US dominance with his tariffs and sanction policies, another smarter country would just take advantage of his extremism, reach agreements with trading partners he's currently pushing away and by then it would be too late to retract his steps.

[moneystery]

as a result of this, asian countries began to strengthen their trade relations, such as china, japan, and south korea, began to strengthen their trade relations and planned to strengthen each other's supply chains. this is a good thing because so far these three countries have not been very active in this regard, but after trump's policy they saw that they needed to strengthen trade relations in the region. this is one of the impacts of trump's tariff policy, and maybe we will see more asian countries starting to take advantage of this and strengthen their economies.

[Wind_FURY]

I think Donald Trump understands that governments of all countries will be very unhappy with his actions. However (perhaps) his calculation is that he will be able to lure businessmen from these countries to his side.

He seems to be telling them - "Aren't you tired of trade wars? Tired? Then move your production (factories and plants) to the United States! Then you will not have to pay these duties. The United States earned 6-7 trillion US dollars on this whole story with duties and this money goes to compensate for tax breaks for businesses. You will pay minimal taxes! Don't be fools, move your production to us - to the United States."

From the interest of the United States and from their viewpoint, there's probably a "noble cause" on why Trump is starting the "Tariff Chaos" and imposing "Reciprocal Tariffs". That's to save their country from a Debt Crisis. I'm absolutely sure there are people behind the MAGA Group, like Scott Bessent, who believe that the current PAIN is probably worth it, and that they are changing the path of the U.S. from failure to success.

Or I'm probably just naive.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Tariffs Are Just the Tip of the Iceberg, Warns Billionaire Investor Ray Dalio
Crypto and equities have moved in lockstep, amid what Ray Dalio calls a “once-in-a-lifetime” breakdown in the global order.

While these tariff announcements are very important developments and we all know that President Trump caused them, most people are losing sight of the underlying circumstances that got him elected president and brought these tariffs about,"

https://decrypt.co/313854/tariffs-billionaire-investor-ray-dalio

Don't read that. It's definitely better to read straight from the source-material, https://x.com/raydalio/status/1907489922359132627

Ray Dalio's main point is, tariffs are stagflationary. Low economic activity + inflation. That's an economic condition when the Federal Reserve can't pivot to Q.E. because it would risk hyperinflation, and it can't tighten further to fight inflation because it would risk an economic depression.

 🤔

[Apocollapse]

as a result of this, asian countries began to strengthen their trade relations, such as china, japan, and south korea, began to strengthen their trade relations and planned to strengthen each other's supply chains. this is a good thing because so far these three countries have not been very active in this regard, but after trump's policy they saw that they needed to strengthen trade relations in the region. this is one of the impacts of trump's tariff policy, and maybe we will see more asian countries starting to take advantage of this and strengthen their economies.

The US won't do nothing if they see other countries trying to co-op to strengthen their economy.

Just like how many times US threaten BRICS countries to use their own currency, US will impose higher tariffs to them.

This might be the future, there would be two big nations, US & ally and China & ally. Because I heard that other countries are trying to negotiate to US about the tariffs and Trump doesn't accept that, he also not want to give 90 days waiting time.