The Trump Dump

[d5000]

Aaand ... we're back up. Even if it's only caused by a temporary reduction of the tariffs for 90 days to 10%.

Which brings us to a question: was this part of the plan? I think it's quite likely that yes, as it follows the path of Trump's initial tariff measures against his neighbors Mexico and Canada.

But could there more behind it? Biggest insider trading scandal in history, perhaps? Elon's reported dispute with Trump could of course be fake.

Well, besides of conspiracy theories (which are fun to speculate about in this case), Bitcoin has resisted the Trump Dump quite strongly, not overreacting (i.e. only mirroring the stock market dump) and thus it's already on its previous level of 82k again, although of course this could only be a temporary spike.

[coolcoinz]

But could there more behind it? Biggest insider trading scandal in history, perhaps?

That's what I think. Some of his advisors are actually insider pump and dumpers.

Do you remember what Musk did with bitcoin? That was pure price manipulation, but he wasn't the first.
They all saw how China tested the waters back in 2017 and then they started investigating exchanges and finally banned them. While this was happening there were twitter accounts claiming to be insiders who were saying that they have info from sources inside the government that the will/will not ban exchanges completely and that they will/will not ban mining and ownership of cryptocurrencies. Each time this happened the price would either pump or dump a little and this eventually turned into one of the longest bear markets in history.

People are not stupid. Everybody saw that and learned that this could be done and later many attempted this. For instance McAfee pumped coins with his predictions and Musk did the same by first building up tension through cryptic posts and finally revealing that Tesla would start accepting bitcoin payments. Then he sold and said that bitcoin was not eco-friendly, which of course caused a small price crash, but was a blatant lie that he never had to apologize for. Then we saw Trump's coin go from $60 to $8, so they made money on that shitcoin and decided to try something bigger.

I saw Trump on stage telling people to buy the dip. The US president giving investment advice on TV? Should there be a paragraph for that, or is he untouchable now?

Elon's reported dispute with Trump could of course be fake.

Oh they are talking for sure. I think that Mr. Autism got rugpulled as well because he was supposed to get some of those Ukrainian resources, but since there's no peace there's also no mining going on. Meanwhile Tesla lost something like 50% and tariffs will of course affect his production in Germany, Canada and China.

Trump is trying to appease Musk by giving him a contract to make rockets for the military, but will that be enough?

[Lucius]

~snip~
Recently, it is known that China has started dumping the US Treasuries bonds and it has weakened the dollar. This move by China is a move to shift this tariff war to the financial war 

Do you know what is the biggest difference between China and the US? China is trying to establish world dominance in a rather quiet way (if we can call it that), while the US does not want to get rid of the role of a world supervisor who does not choose the means to reach the goal. What connects both countries is the fact that they benefit greatly from each other, from the fact that 7 of the 10 largest seaports are in China, to the fact that many US companies have their production facilities in China where people make American products for a salary of approximately $400 a month.

Can someone tell me how much an iPhone would cost if it were manufactured in the US?

[Maslate]

Can someone tell me how much an iPhone would cost if it were manufactured in the US?

Labor costs in the U.S. are significantly higher compared to other countries. For example, with an average minimum wage of
$15 per hour. an 8 hour wrok would equal to $120 per day or over $3000 per month ( (assuming one day off per week). ) This creates a substantial competitive disadvantage - American-made products become more expensive, making consumers more likely to purchase equally good but cheaper alternatives from countries like China and South Korea. Ultimately, this pricing pressure could negatively impact the U.S. economy.

[summonerrk]

The funny thing is that Trump warned everyone yesterday that it's time to buy cryptocurrencies, and a few hours later, he announced that he was introducing a 90-day pause on the introduction of tariffs, and only for China was he leaving the conditions as they were before, changing the tariff by 125 percent.
I didn't think we'd see such a strong influencer after Elon Musk, but it actually feels like this is a historic moment where we can all see the number one cryptocurrency influencer in the world.

[avp2306]

The funny thing is that Trump warned everyone yesterday that it's time to buy cryptocurrencies, and a few hours later, he announced that he was introducing a 90-day pause on the introduction of tariffs, and only for China was he leaving the conditions as they were before, changing the tariff by 125 percent.
I didn't think we'd see such a strong influencer after Elon Musk, but it actually feels like this is a historic moment where we can all see the number one cryptocurrency influencer in the world.

To bad for Trump it seems he realize that he made a mistake for implementing tariffs for lots of countries in the world.

I think China will still be the winner of this since their enemy is just US, while US they create lots of potential enemies because they also give unacceptable tariff rates to many countries.

With these for sure many countries are exploring to search for alternative markets since for sure that they can at least minimize the possible damage on other implementation of tariff or other bullying attacks of US. Trumps seems want to be always relevant in the scene so It's more better for people to stop listening to him and better focus on their accumulation if they are ready to buy Bitcoin also with other alts.

[Crackboy68]

The United States is having to bear more costs than other countries. After the election of Donald Trump, there was talk of a market upswing and that the price of Bitcoin would reach $100,000 by 2025. But now, due to the flow of economic pressure, the market has lost its momentum. Due to this flow of pressure in the market, investors are facing risks. Although the market has now woken up a bit, it is still not known how long it will take for Bitcoin to reach its previous level. However, I did not like these actions of Donald Trump at all. How could he do this. He should have considered his own country and its citizens.

[franky1]

Can someone tell me how much an iPhone would cost if it were manufactured in the US?

for a retail ready product to be classed as "us made" it only needs to be ASSEMBLED and packaged in the USA

it does not require US raw materials melted and machined / formed into parts.
so they can still get batteries, screen, mainboard from cheap labour countries.. and then just use a machine to put the parts together and print out the packaging to put the complete phone in the box in america as "US made"

so price difference wont be much

however if there is a US-asia tariff at normal customs port... and no tariff at special freeport/FTZ ports
apple will have an parts facility at a freeport FTZ port in asia, and an assembly plant at a freeport/FTZ port in the US

aswell as apple/alibaba(retailers) which sends complete retail ready phones to normal customs ports

so a US citizen using for instance alibaba or chinese apple retailer to buy imported retail products from asia will be charged the foreign countries sales tax, and the US tariff for asia

apple(manufacturing) will have sister company in asia. and so transfer PARTS via freeport-FTZ ports to not be charged any sales tax or tariff.. assemble parts in america. and then print the userguide/box as made in US and etch the backplate of iphone as made in the usa.
and so a us citizen buying an iphone from US retailer will only charge US citizen the US sales tax (no tariff)

so the minimal extra cost of assembling in US will be saved by the lack of tariff
so the citizen ends up seeing a "US made" iphone equal or cheaper than a "asia made"+tariff iphone imported through normal customs port

note:
if there was a from raw US material: US lithium(battery), silica(US chips), copper(us circuit board) US glass(screen) and made parts in US and assembled in US would cost alot more in america, compared to asia

so many businesses are going for the "assembly plant" in US business model.. not the full manufacturing in Us model as a reaction to tariff war

note words: "Assembled" "components made in china"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-11-17/how-will-president-donald-trump-s-new-tariffs-affect-apple-products-and-prices-m3lnfx64

[pooya87]

Meanwhile the spokeswoman for the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs is tweeting this funny photo after the video of Trump MAGA hats went viral where the label read "Made in China"
https://x.com/spoxchn_maoning/status/1910206001879613935#m

[d5000]

I saw Trump on stage telling people to buy the dip.

Yes, and he also posted a recommendation on Truth Social to buy stocks.

There's now indeed an "official" market manipulation accusation against Trump initiated by Senator Adam Schiff and others, see this article for example.

The alternative explanation is that the shift was part of the plan, but not with the goal of enriching themselves, but to pressure other governments to initiate negotiations to lower tariffs.

This is also the narrative the Trump government members (e.g. Karoline Leavitt) are now using to defend themselves. However: If you already know that you'll retract a measure and the market reaction is predictable, nobody would have used this information personally to profit? This is also quite naive ...

[summonerrk]

The funny thing is that Trump warned everyone yesterday that it's time to buy cryptocurrencies, and a few hours later, he announced that he was introducing a 90-day pause on the introduction of tariffs, and only for China was he leaving the conditions as they were before, changing the tariff by 125 percent.
I didn't think we'd see such a strong influencer after Elon Musk, but it actually feels like this is a historic moment where we can all see the number one cryptocurrency influencer in the world.

To bad for Trump it seems he realize that he made a mistake for implementing tariffs for lots of countries in the world.

I think China will still be the winner of this since their enemy is just US, while US they create lots of potential enemies because they also give unacceptable tariff rates to many countries.

With these for sure many countries are exploring to search for alternative markets since for sure that they can at least minimize the possible damage on other implementation of tariff or other bullying attacks of US. Trumps seems want to be always relevant in the scene so It's more better for people to stop listening to him and better focus on their accumulation if they are ready to buy Bitcoin also with other alts.

As far as I remember Trump's policy, he has always been partial to China in the bad sense of these words. Only recently, he said that, in principle, he was ready to somehow normalize these relations (I didn’t believe it when I read this quote). But now it’s clear that it was just for words. And already at the moment, the tariff with China is 145 percent.

And regarding tariffs for absolutely all countries at one moment, I can only explain this by the fact that he wanted to create a shock effect and this is confirmed by the fact that he introduced a 90-day freeze on this law.

[Iranus]

Can someone tell me how much an iPhone would cost if it were manufactured in the US?

According to some experts' predictions, if Apple moves its manufacturing plants to the US, iPhone prices could triple from current prices. An iPhone would cost $3.5k if it were made in the US.

Not to mention, to produce iPhones in the US and have enough supply to meet the market, the first thing they need to do is build a supply chain, create a production ecosystem...this will cost a lot of money and time. It could take several years to complete.

There are many challenges that companies will face if they move manufacturing to the United States. Personally I don't think businesses will disobey Trump on this issue since his term is only 4 years.


https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/09/tech/apple-iphones-cost-tariffs-impact-intl-hnk/index.html

[zeuner]

People are not stupid.

I don't really see how people would have learned anything. Back then, they complained about Musk, saying: "Oh, but that was market manipulation!" Today, people again complain: "Oh, but that was market manipulation!" But does it have any consequences?

[franky1]

Can someone tell me how much an iPhone would cost if it were manufactured in the US?

According to some experts' predictions, if Apple moves its manufacturing plants to the US, iPhone prices could triple from current prices. An iPhone would cost $3.5k if it were made in the US.

thats where the difference between manufacturing plants vs assembly plants business model is in play
many businesses are going for the assembly plant at ports plan not the full manufacturing plant model

getting up and running and producing is faster, cheaper via the assembly route

..
as for your "experts".. oh come on.. a asian reporter for CNN. good laugh. his business buddies in asia dont want to see full production in US as it takes business away from them so his bias is to report bad news and worse case in regards to those types of stories.. but even he knows the "assembly plant" method is best for everyone around

most of apples $500b investment is in the servers for its cloud and AI projects.  "advanced manufacturing fund"
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/02/apple-will-spend-more-than-500-billion-usd-in-the-us-over-the-next-four-years/

[Lucius]

Meanwhile the spokeswoman for the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs is tweeting this funny photo after the video of Trump MAGA hats went viral where the label read "Made in China"
https://x.com/spoxchn_maoning/status/1910206001879613935#m

The Chinese seem to have decided to make fun of the US in recent days, because you can't just be serious about what Dony is doing with his "advisors". Will the next move be "let's kick everything Chinese out of the US?"

https://x.com/damengchen/status/1909288019750011006
https://x.com/pallavict/status/1908588983820365957

[pooya87]

Will the next move be "let's kick everything Chinese out of the US?"

I think the "decoupling" has been happening for at least 3 years in a serious and rather fast manner. I call it decoupling because it is not just US kicking China out, it is also US pulling out of China and it is also China kicking out US and and also China pulling out of US. Two major events in the past years off the top of my head are:
We had the courts in US where the big investment firms like Blackrock fought the government that was dictating they should not invest in China.
We had the Chinese slowly dumping the massive amount of US bonds they held (from $1100 billion to $750 billion approximately) and also replacing their dollar reserves with gold.
and more ...

And now we have tariffs... It is the death of globalization and it means the start of a lot of these "decouplings".

[MainIbem]

Will the next move be "let's kick everything Chinese out of the US?"

And now we have tariffs... It is the death of globalization and it means the start of a lot of these "decouplings".

I think we should be expecting more dumps than pumps, despite other countries going to Trump for negotiations concerning the tarrif, the Chinese government are not moved by Trumps actions and pumps of tarrif but are retaliating and paying back Trump in his own coin, I don't think there's going to be a winner in this war cause both parties are going to take hits since none are ready to end the trade war. The decouplings have started already with the Chinese government ordering banks to reduce the purchase of U.S dollar and reduction of Hollywood imports, I won't be suprised if Trump wakes up one morning and pump China's tarrif to over 200% and the Chinese government doing same, that's going to affect both economys including the stock and crypto market so bad.

[franky1]

Will the next move be "let's kick everything Chinese out of the US?"

I think the "decoupling" has been happening for at least 3 years in a serious and rather fast manner. I call it decoupling because it is not just US kicking China out, it is also US pulling out of China and it is also China kicking out US and and also China pulling out of US. Two major events in the past years off the top of my head are:
We had the courts in US where the big investment firms like Blackrock fought the government that was dictating they should not invest in China.
We had the Chinese slowly dumping the massive amount of US bonds they held (from $1100 billion to $750 billion approximately) and also replacing their dollar reserves with gold.
and more ...

And now we have tariffs... It is the death of globalization and it means the start of a lot of these "decouplings".

you forgot to add the big picture plan
china decoupling from US due to BRICS plan.. and china wanting to have europe as better trade partners via the 'Belt&Road Initiative" ((BRI)new silk road)

america wants china to buy $269 extra american goods ontop of existing $143b to balance the deficit and bring both sides to $439 equal trade.. but china would be happier to drop sells from $439 to $143 to balance the deficit and bring both sides to $143 equal trade. where china make up their loss from the slavic/euro regions via new silkroad(BRI)

[kotajikikox]

The funny thing is that Trump warned everyone yesterday that it's time to buy cryptocurrencies, and a few hours later, he announced that he was introducing a 90-day pause on the introduction of tariffs, and only for China was he leaving the conditions as they were before, changing the tariff by 125 percent.

Did he now? I feel like with what is going on with his tariff war, barely anyone knew about this. Would you mind sharing source? Maybe this is his way of trying to control the market.

I didn't think we'd see such a strong influencer after Elon Musk, but it actually feels like this is a historic moment where we can all see the number one cryptocurrency influencer in the world.

Presidents are always the most influential and most powerful people in the country and depending on the state of the country, he might as well be the most powerful on earth. He has the lives of millions of people, americans and non americans alike, on his hands.

[coupable]

It seems that the Trump team itself is completely unaware of Trump's plans and is often unable to explain decisions, especially during the tariff war. A short while ago, I witnessed a conversation between a member of the US Congress and the Trump administration's Treasury Secretary. The Treasury Secretary is supposed to be aware of the risks of the tariff war and came to the congressional hearing to explain the strategies, which he is supposed to be the person best able to explain. What happened? During the hearing, Trump issued a decision to freeze tariff increases for 90 days, which surprised the Treasury Secretary himself, who found himself embarrassed because he was not really aware of the decisions. It became clear on camera how decisions are made in the White House and that the entire Trump team is nothing but puppets that Trump manipulates as and when he pleases. Literally, it's like child's play.