Open question to Dr.Bitcoin_Strange

[AB de Royse777]

If @Dr.Bitcoin_Strange did accidentally copy and paste, then why are some of the words he wrote different from the original post?

In the terms and policies of some centralized exchange, they state that they don't accept Bitcoins from  an untrusted source such as mixers or a wallet that has been flagged, some exchange even state that they don't accept Bitcoins from casinos.

So, if any customer disobeys those rules and send Bitcoin from the mixer on any sources that the exchange doesn't want, they will block the persons account and the customer could lose their coins.
The exchange are doing so to protect their self too from government policies, I guess.
So, when they cease those coins, how sure are we that they will take it to the government?

Sometimes, after making such deposit, before the exchange detects it, you must have traded the Bitcoin to Fiat and withdraw it to your account, so what will the exchange do after you have already withdrawn the money to your account before they later found out that the coins was tainted?

In the terms and policies of some centralized exchange, they stated that they don't accept Bitcoins from  an untrusted source such as mixers or a wallet that has been flagged, some exchange even stated that they don't accept Bitcoins from casinos.

So, if any customer disobeys those rules and send Bitcoin from the mixer or any sources that the exchange doesn't want, they will block the persons account and the customer could lose their coins forever.
The exchange are doing so to protect their image too based on the government policies, I guess.
So, when they cease those coins, how sure are we that they will take it to the government?

Sometimes, after making such deposit, before the exchange detects it, you must have traded the Bitcoin to Fiat and withdraw it to your account, so what will the exchange do after you have already withdrawn the money to your account before they later found out that the coins was tainted?

Another thing that just popped in my head now is, what if after you deposited the Bitcoin because you needed some money and wanted to convert the Bitcoin to Fiat, but you later changed your mind and you decided to withdraw back the money to a newly created address, will the casino report that your address to be flagged?

If @Dr.Bitcoin did not intentionally copy paste the post, the writing should be the same. But in this case @Dr.Bitcoin seems to have done it on purpose.

The topic was locked so I was not able to ask the question. I will lock this topic the moment I will have a response from you about the findings. I guess I was the one who was first to post and believed your version of story, I felt bad for you and expressed my support for you but I feel now that my emotion was betrayed. It looks like you are using specialized tools to spin the words but the performance of the tool was poor that it was not able to do the prefect job.

Why did not I asked it privately? I want to hear a public response from you and I am sure there are many others who are as interested as me. I hope you will be able to address it properly.

This alone could be an incentive for moderators to look at his story from a different angle, but the OP is silent.

It looks like the ban was a good decision, because it looks like a copy paste with word spinners.

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It looks like the ban was a good decision, because it looks like a copy paste with word spinners.

We later found out that he changed some words truly but I guess moderators would have checked some other of his posts to know if he has been doing something like that or not. If they do, they did not see other similar plagiarism would be the reason for the removal of the ban on his account.

If we should guess of him of something like this, we need more evidence that he has done the same or something similar on other of his posts.

[Odohu]

I understand your curiosity @AB de Royse777 because at some point I felt the same way you are feeling but after careful look at the profile of Dr.Bitcoin_Strange, I realised that he is well educated from the way he writes so should know the consequences of plagiarism just like he started in the appeal post. He does not look like someone so lazy to copy others post verbatim and post in a sensitive forum like this.

Secondly, even if you feel he used spinning tools for the sake of plagiarism,  the interval between both posts, which is less that 12 minutes,  is definitely too short to copy the words, post on such tools and then post in this forum. Hence that idea don't seem applicable.  

My best guess is that it was an innocent mistake which I think a good number of members of the forum agree with. Well, I'll be waiting to see what others think.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I would look at the situation a little more simply. The OP has no history of similar posts; perhaps no one checked , and this case was noticed purely by chance since I saw a very similar text from different authors.
I think that the fact that he was unblocked by moderators is more related to the payments of his debt. His creditor, indeed, loses quite often, and when I filed a report, for some reason I was sure that this report would not be reacted to so harshly. Especially if you check the topic for plagiarism, everything is very diverse there.
I agree that the OP should hear an explanation from @Dr.Bitcoin_Strange since ignoring the issue can play negatively on the account's side since many managers will simply stop paying attention to it.

[AB de Royse777]

My best guess is that it was an innocent mistake which I think a good member of the forum agree with. Well, I'll ne waiting to see what others think.

When you copy and paste something, a long paragraph or two then you copy the whole thing and paste it. You do not notice few words in the middle and change anything unless you are intentionally changing it.

I agree that the OP should hear an explanation from @Dr.Bitcoin_Strange since ignoring the issue can play negatively on the account's side since many managers will simply stop paying attention to it.

Yes, the whole point of this topic is that I want to hear from Dr.Bitcoin_Strange. He needs to address it. He can chose to ignore the discussion but that will not give him a good go. I will certainly give him a red tag for it and he will never be a part of any of my campaign if he tries in future.

There are nothing wrong to have alternative accounts, there are nothing wrong to hide it as long as you are not abusing in campaigns (applying from more than one account and seeking a spot, this is directly taking away chance from another legit user) but when someone is plagiarizing then he is cheating with his campaign manager, the brand that is trusting him and also cheating with the entire community, making this forum a place to question by others on the internet.

[Sticky Bomb]

My best guess is that it was an innocent mistake which I think a good member of the forum agree with. Well, I'll ne waiting to see what others think.

When you copy and paste something, a long paragraph or two then you copy the whole thing and paste it. You do not notice few words in the middle and change anything unless you are intentionally changing it.

I agree that the OP should hear an explanation from @Dr.Bitcoin_Strange since ignoring the issue can play negatively on the account's side since many managers will simply stop paying attention to it.

Yes, the whole point of this topic is that I want to hear from Dr.Bitcoin_Strange. He needs to address it. He can chose to ignore the discussion but that will not give him a good go. I will certainly give him a red tag for it and he will never be a part of any of my campaign if he tries in future.

There are nothing wrong to have alternative accounts, there are nothing wrong to hide it as long as you are not abusing in campaigns (applying from more than one account and seeking a spot, this is directly taking away chance from another legit user) but when someone is plagiarizing then he is cheating with his campaign manager, the brand that is trusting him and also cheating with the entire community, making this forum a place to question by others on the internet.

I thought this whole issue had been resolved and the account unbanned, from my point of view, there's no need flogging on this matter any longer. Sometimes it's good to let the sleeping dog lie.

I understand your curiosity, but I don't see what it's supposed to achieve now. Theymos accepted his explanation and unbanned the account, are you trying to imply he had poor judgement on the matter?

Sometimes it's just better to leave a resolved matter as it is, especially when resolved by the principal (Theymos). Such demonstrates respect to the administrator's sound judgement and support to the victim. Allow the sleeping dog lie, that's all I can say for now.

[Odohu]

My best guess is that it was an innocent mistake which I think a good member of the forum agree with. Well, I'll ne waiting to see what others think.

When you copy and paste something, a long paragraph or two then you copy the whole thing and paste it. You do not notice few words in the middle and change anything unless you are intentionally changing it.

I understand that you are a very busy person with many projects you are managing their signature campaigns in the forum plus other personal engagements, which could be the reason you may not have chance to take a look at Dr.Bitcoin_Strange  account and post history to see that he has never used anything such as you have suggested neither has he been accused of plagiarism in the past so I don't see why he would want to start now. This a lone is the reason I have the conviction that it is an innocent mistake. There is really no point stressing this since Theymos, in his good judgement, also believe this it is an innocent mistake and have given him a second chance.  If Dr.Bitcoin_Strange is a sworn plagiarist or have resorted to plagiarism,  then let's watch him because it won't be long before he reveal himself and be caught with undeniable evidence.

[lovesmayfamilis]

This case will be interesting for @JollyGood, I think. If we proceed from your @JollyGood statement that both accounts are alt, then we can assume that Dr.Bitcoin_Strange forgot to re-login and submitted an application from the Mrbluntzy account. But later realizing his mistake, he made a "remark" and then canceled his application, crossing it out. Change his mind after 20 minutes (if I'm not mistaken)? These two accounts have very strange and close contacts if we talk about time intervals .


In addition, Mrbluntzy does not reject his neutral tag left by Jolly at all.

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@Mrbluntzy, this campaign is for  Sr.member, it's boldly written on the OP. Learn to read rulesrules.

[Sticky Bomb]

My best guess is that it was an innocent mistake which I think a good member of the forum agree with. Well, I'll ne waiting to see what others think.

When you copy and paste something, a long paragraph or two then you copy the whole thing and paste it. You do not notice few words in the middle and change anything unless you are intentionally changing it.

I understand that you are a very busy person with many projects you are managing their signature campaigns in the forum plus other personal engagements, which could be the reason you may not have chance to take a look at Dr.Bitcoin_Strange  account and post history to see that he has never used anything such as you have suggested neither has he been accused of plagiarism in the past so I don't see why he would want to start now. This a lone is the reason I have the conviction that it is an innocent mistake. There is really no point stressing this since Theymos, in his good judgement, also believe this it is an innocent mistake and have given him a second chance.  If Dr.Bitcoin_Strange is a sworn plagiarist or have resorted to plagiarism,  then let's watch him because it won't be long before he reveal himself and be caught with undeniable evidence.

Exactly my point, even if I had any reservation about the whole activity, but in recognition of the man who stepped in and made a decision on the whole matter, I think the matter shouldn't be dragged further. Personally I'll still be monitoring that account for such related actions and would speak up if there's a repeat of such.

[AB de Royse777]

@Sticky Bomb @Odohu you both are from the same community. I hear what you say but can you please let Dr.Bitcoin_Strange address it? I would like to hear from him. I make no judgement, I want to know the truth, the truth can be "yes, I made the mistake, it was a simple copy and paste OR No, it was not a mistake, I indeed edited the post".

After hearing from him, I will make my judgement (I may let it go after hearing an honest confession) but if he keeps ignoring the matter to address then there will be no other option but to believe that he was in the wrong side and he does not want to admit his wrong. Theymos (if he indeed unbanned without noticing the latest development posted by the other user) did what he needed to do, that does not mean I will need to follow him.

Can we give Dr.Bitcoin_Strange a chance to address everything?

I would not care any of it if I was not the first one to divert the topic to believe him innocent. There is a major part from me to guide this unban appeal towards his favour but it seems the opposite would have been a better decision.

[LoyceV]

I wonder if the Mod who unbanned Dr.bitcoin_strange had even seen Brahmahatyaa's post.

the interval between both posts, which is less that 12 minutes,  is definitely too short to copy the words, post on such tools and then post in this forum.

Copy from forum > paste to text spinner > copy from text spinner > paste to the forum. That shouldn't take more than 20 seconds.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

The topic was locked so I was not able to ask the question. I will lock this topic the moment I will have a response from you about the findings. I guess I was the one who was first to post and believed your version of story, I felt bad for you and expressed my support for you but I feel now that my emotion was betrayed. It looks like you are using specialized tools to spin the words but the performance of the tool was poor that it was not able to do the prefect job.

Why did not I asked it privately? I want to hear a public response from you and I am sure there are many others who are as interested as me. I hope you will be able to address it properly.

This alone could be an incentive for moderators to look at his story from a different angle, but the OP is silent.

It looks like the ban was a good decision, because it looks like a copy paste with word spinners.

Here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5538636.msg65298159#msg65298159) is the link to the appeal thread, I have clearly express what happened and how the mistake was made, if it was an Intenational act of word spinning or Plagerism, then the reply would have been to a comment or thread that is of the same topic or reasoning but because I was completely distracted I pasted that post that was reported for Plagerism, I didn't even know the rubbish I did (completely absent minded) and if you read that post which was delete because of the Plagerism report, you would see that the reply was not even in any way related to what the person was saying. Have you read the reply?
 
 After posting the appeal, I was offline for a long hour and when I got back online, I saw that my appeal has been heard, so i dropped a message on the op and closed the thread..

My best guess is that it was an innocent mistake which I think a good member of the forum agree with. Well, I'll ne waiting to see what others think.

When you copy and paste something, a long paragraph or two then you copy the whole thing and paste it. You do not notice few words in the middle and change anything unless you are intentionally changing it.

I agree that the OP should hear an explanation from @Dr.Bitcoin_Strange since ignoring the issue can play negatively on the account's side since many managers will simply stop paying attention to it.

Yes, the whole point of this topic is that I want to hear from Dr.Bitcoin_Strange. He needs to address it. He can chose to ignore the discussion but that will not give him a good go. I will certainly give him a red tag for it and he will never be a part of any of my campaign if he tries in future.

There are nothing wrong to have alternative accounts, there are nothing wrong to hide it as long as you are not abusing in campaigns (applying from more than one account and seeking a spot, this is directly taking away chance from another legit user) but when someone is plagiarizing then he is cheating with his campaign manager, the brand that is trusting him and also cheating with the entire community, making this forum a place to question by others on the internet.

Knowing fully well that this was what the consequences of the act would be, do you think I would have intentionally do that? If that's the case, as some people thinks that it was an intentional Plagerism, don't you think I would have done it so long before now?

This case will be interesting for @JollyGood, I think. If we proceed from your @JollyGood statement that both accounts are alt, then we can assume that Dr.Bitcoin_Strange forgot to re-login and submitted an application from the Mrbluntzy account. But later realizing his mistake, he made a "remark" and then canceled his application, crossing it out. Change his mind after 20 minutes (if I'm not mistaken)? These two accounts have very strange and close contacts if we talk about time intervals .

As of the time of my application on this thread, I was still on a mixer campaign and considering that the campaign would run till the end of that month end (because of mixer ban). The reason I later decided to cancel my application was because I already applied to another campaign (BC.Game) and I don't want to get accepted and turn it down, so I had to cancel it. I would have deleted it but didn't want any situation where it looks like am hiding something.

Durring my own application, I came across the application of Mrbluntzy and when I noticed it was a member rank application, I had to correct him which I know he is not the only member that have made such mistake before. I think I have corrected someone before too, on a different campaign application thread. It's an unfortunate coincidence that my mistake linked to that account.

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I would look at the situation a little more simply. The OP has no history of similar posts; perhaps no one checked , and this case was noticed purely by chance since I saw a very similar text from different authors.

This is what I am thinking. It would have been better if one more post that he posted was also just like the mistake he did. This would be the best evidence that he is plagiarizing and he should be banned again.

I wonder if the Mod who unbanned Dr.bitcoin_strange had even seen Brahmahatyaa's post.

I think they saw it but they will have a good reason they unbanned him.

[LoyceV]

Knowing fully well that this was what the consequences of the act would be, do you think I would have intentionally do that? If that's the case, as some people thinks that it was an intentional Plagerism, don't you think I would have done it so long before now?

You wrote a lot about why you wouldn't do plagiarism, and that makes sense, but it doesn't answer OP's question. If I copy some text on my phone, wordings don't magically change.

[Zwei]

Knowing fully well that this was what the consequences of the act would be, do you think I would have intentionally do that? If that's the case, as some people thinks that it was an intentional Plagerism, don't you think I would have done it so long before now?

you would if you thought you could get away with it. you would not be the first to overestimate himself.

i was one of the many people who gave you the benefit of the doubt and asked the mods to give you a break and unban you. so stop going on a rant and explain how did some of the wording changed if you simply copied/pasted the text by mistake.

[logfiles]

I thought this whole issue had been resolved and the account unbanned, from my point of view, there's no need flogging on this matter any longer. Sometimes it's good to let the sleeping dog lie.

I understand your curiosity, but I don't see what it's supposed to achieve now. Theymos accepted his explanation and unbanned the account, are you trying to imply he had poor judgement on the matter?

Sometimes it's just better to leave a resolved matter as it is, especially when resolved by the principal (Theymos). Such demonstrates respect to the administrator's sound judgement and support to the victim. Allow the sleeping dog lie, that's all I can say for now.

He was not being honest. That alone should not be forgotten just because he got unbanned. I know another member who controversially got unbanned only to become a nuisance later and get banned again on top of received negative tags.
Let the members question why @ Dr.Bitcoin_Strange did what he did. There's nothing wrong with that. The decisions the mods make are sometimes independent of what the members discover. It doesn't mean the members are wrong.

[yahoo62278]

Why don't we stay out of the ban appeals and shit like that as the mods know what they are doing. The only time we should really chime in is if it's a respected member IMO and even then it really depends on the reason for the ban. The mods aren't just picking random people to ban, they have their reasons and are rarely going to be wrong.

I thought this whole issue had been resolved and the account unbanned, from my point of view, there's no need flogging on this matter any longer. Sometimes it's good to let the sleeping dog lie.

I understand your curiosity, but I don't see what it's supposed to achieve now. Theymos accepted his explanation and unbanned the account, are you trying to imply he had poor judgement on the matter?

Sometimes it's just better to leave a resolved matter as it is, especially when resolved by the principal (Theymos). Such demonstrates respect to the administrator's sound judgement and support to the victim. Allow the sleeping dog lie, that's all I can say for now.

He was not being honest. That alone should not be forgotten just because he got unbanned. I know another member who controversially got unbanned only to become a nuisance later and get banned again on top of received negative tags.
Let the members question why @ Dr.Bitcoin_Strange did what he did. There's nothing wrong with that. The decisions the mods make are sometimes independent of what the members discover. It doesn't mean the members are wrong.

IMO dishonesty might be grounds for a tag of some sort. Neutral obv so as to not be abusing the trust system. I also think mods should revisit their ban appeal and reban the account if new evidence was presented.

[hugeblack]

if you read that post which was delete because of the Plagerism report, you would see that the reply was not even in any way related to what the person was saying. Have you read the reply?

You're lying here because you created a post between the time you received a notification for the @Mrbluntzy thread and the time you posted the quote text.

Do you create multiple posts, save them, and then post them at a different time?

Despite everything that's happened, you haven't changed your habit of creating multiple posts and then disappearing.

[LoyceV]

the mods know what they are doing.

The fact that the user was banned and later unbanned means at least one Mod didn't know what he was doing

[Btcdeybodi]

After reading through the replies here, i can see that the 'bone of contention' of OP and some others who replied here is centered at the fact that some of @Dr.Bitcoin_Strange plagiarized words were changed which is indeed questionable to that effect but what i have to say is that whether @Dr.Bitcoin_Strange intentionally plagiarized or not, for the fact that he tendered an appeal and was unbanned within a short time means that the administrator or the moderator that unbanned Dr.Bitcoin_Strange must have preconceived through @Dr.Bitcoin_Strange appeal and the replies of users on that thread before coming to the conclusion of unbanning Dr.Bitcoin_Strange.

However, i think we should listen to the reply of yahoo62278 and allow this case to die a natural death, after all plagiarism cases are granted second chances in the forum of which whether it was an honest mistake from @Dr.Bitcoin_Strange or not, it should be treated as those that were given second chances.

If anyone still wishes to contest the unbanning of @Dr.Bitcoin_Strange account, they can write to the moderators or the head admin. and ask for a review of @Dr.Bitcoin_Strange appeal.