New moderator in forum?

[dkbit98]

Do we have some new moderator in bitcointalk forum?

Either that, or some old zealous mod just got bored and deleted a bunch of the posts from one of my topics.

This is the note example I received in messages of my deleted posts:

[moderator's note: This post was deleted but its contents weren't. Due to a violation of either rule 21 or 32 (see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0) this post's contents were merged into the first post in a row you've made]

I usually delete all my old bumps, and I am not making consecutive posts in short time span or in the same day.

[Churchillvv]

It's not new, last time I checked mprep did such merging of post with similar contents.

Here is a thread from Joker_josue where mod did such too

Reflection on moderation in service topics

IIRC I was the one who merged the posts (currently going through a large backlog).

Edit: It's either the post merged could be posted all together just using Horizontal rule to differentiate them from his perspective of posting, so if he (mprep) did the merging then it's the same issue with joker_josue.

[Orpichukwu]

It's not new, last time I checked mprep did such merging of post with similar contents

From his reply on this thread he could be the one

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5539173.0

[tbct_mt2]

It's not new, last time I checked mprep did such merging of post with similar contents

One of his post on merging.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5383750.msg59123334#msg59123334

One interesting thing about mprep global moderator is he can merge posts manually or with his script. When using script, maybe there is chance of inaccurate merging.

It was merged by a moderator. Posting twice in a row within 24 hours isn't allowed even in selfmod threads because it unfairly bumps the thread.

The messed up text is mojibake as a result of charset-mismatch issues, probably caused by a partially-loaded page or weird configuration at the moderator's end. I haven't seen this particular thing happen before, so I'll assume for now that it was a momentary glitch somewhere. I fixed it.

Yeah, my bad. I'm using my own userscript to merge duplicate consecutive posts. While one of the moderators pointed out that it sometimes glitches with characters from non-english languages, I wasn't able to replicate it and didn't think it'd affect the main altcoin boards (since everything posted there should be in English). Was going to rewrite the script in another language sooner or later anyway so might as well start now.

[Zoomic]

I usually delete all my old bumps, and I am not making consecutive posts in short time span or in the same day.

What do you think must have happened. You are a very good user of the forum and also an established member. You know all the rules and I don't think you were posting consecutively. In the other hand the mod also knows what is consecutive posts. If there is any modification of rule 32, I will like to know.
I know that when you post consecutively, it is against the rule, but when you post independently and follow up with another post quoting someone, it might not be considered as consecutive posting. I don't know if I am wrong, and I don't remember reading this from anywhere, but I have it in my head.

[stwenhao]

Note that sometimes you reply to someone, and the post in-between can be deleted. Which means, that originally you have:

Code:

<dkbit98> <someone> <dkbit98>

But then, someone's post can be deleted, and you can see this instead:

Code:

<dkbit98> <dkbit98>

In that case, it is not your fault, that in-between post disappeared. And usually you can confirm that, if your second post quoted some lines from deleted post.

[LoyceV]

Either that, or some old zealous mod just got bored and deleted a bunch of the posts from one of my topics.

Find the merged post, hover your mouse above the post date, and it shows who last edited it.

[Brahmahatyaa]

Find the merged post, hover your mouse above the post date, and it shows who last edited it.

Is it like this?

https://talkimg.com/images/2025/05/02/U2gl3g.jpeg

Taking an example from joker_josue

[LoyceV]

I just got 7 posts from back in 2023 deleted. It looks like someone is reporting a lot of old posts.
@mprep: why merge those? What happened to this?

Old post: We generally do not moderate posts this old for on-topicness, substantiveness, multi-posting, and other "cleanliness" issues.

This is the remaining post: Re: Sharing for Bitcoin Core download: the cheapest pay-per-hour VPS I found..
I checked my own posts log:

Code:

9. Post 61599561 (by LoyceV) (scraped Sun Jan 15 17:09:37 CET 2023)
10. Post 61603000 (by ETFbitcoin) (scraped Mon Jan 16 11:18:13 CET 2023)
11. Post 61603300 (by LoyceV) (scraped Mon Jan 16 12:24:02 CET 2023)
12. Post 61603656 (by ETFbitcoin) (scraped Mon Jan 16 13:30:26 CET 2023)
13. Post 61604192 (by LoyceV) (scraped Mon Jan 16 15:02:50 CET 2023)
14. Post 61616591 (by LoyceV) (scraped Wed Jan 18 18:31:01 CET 2023)
15. Post 61668212 (by LoyceV) (scraped Sat Jan 28 08:29:37 CET 2023)
16. Post 61670873 (by bnbstorm) (scraped Sat Jan 28 18:46:26 CET 2023)
17. Post 61714795 (by LoyceV) (scraped Sun Feb 5 19:15:25 CET 2023)
18. Post 61853254 (by LoyceV) (scraped Sat Mar 4 14:04:19 CET 2023)
19. Post 62055541 (by LoyceV) (scraped Sat Apr 8 10:50:31 CEST 2023)

The 3 posts from ETFbitcoin and bnbstorm in between my posts have been deleted. Now my posts from January 16 to April 8 2023 are all tossed into my post from January 15 2023. That's a 3 month timeline compacted into one, removing the "when" part of the posts. I don't like it.

32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.

I thought the unwritten exception was when the last post was more than 24 hours ago. You can't seriously expect me to edit a single last post in a topic weeks or even months in a row, that means users following the topic won't see it in their Watchlist.
I personally prefer new posts instead of editing the last post, so I know where to keep reading. There's no forum feature to keep track of edited updates.

This guy was multiposting even before I joined Bitcointalk

[mprep]

I just got 7 posts from back in 2023 deleted. It looks like someone is reporting a lot of old posts.
@mprep: why merge those? What happened to this?

Old post: We generally do not moderate posts this old for on-topicness, substantiveness, multi-posting, and other "cleanliness" issues.

AFAIK that's for reports and those weren't reported. I have an automated bot that detects potentially mergeable posts and I've recently started going through its backlog and merging posts that violate rules 21 and / or 32.

I thought the unwritten exception was when the last post was more than 24 hours ago. You can't seriously expect me to edit a single last post in a topic weeks or even months in a row, that means users following the topic won't see it in their Watchlist.
I personally prefer new posts instead of editing the last post, so I know where to keep reading. There's no forum feature to keep track of edited updates.

There is no such exception, though consecutive posts by OP are simply considered bumps and thus limited to once per 24 hours. Once that post is no longer relevant as a bump (e.g. someone else posted something, a new bump was posted), rules 21 (old bumps should be deleted) and 32 (no consecutives except bumps and OP's reserved posts) kick in.

[LoyceV]

I have an automated bot that detects potentially mergeable posts and I've recently started going through its backlog and merging posts that violate rules 21 and / or 32.

I get it, but I still don't like it. I don't think the forum gets better by merging 3 months worth of posts into a single post. Apart from losing the timeline, it also makes it more work to quote a part.

Allow me to quote my suggestion from last year:

How about automatically merging them? Like this:

The post is untouched, but the black parts aren't shown anymore. Now that I type it, I realize this is probably much more work to do. And even more work if the second post is on a new page.

This should also work fine with "Reserved" posts, and since posts aren't really merged, the post size limit shouldn't be a problem either. If the new post doesn't count as a bump, rule #32 becomes obsolete

[Cricktor]

@mprep
How about if the merge script at least could preserve the post date and time in what it merges when it finds consecutive posts that may not have been consecutive posts initially due to deletion of posts in between.

In my opinion it's beneficial to preserve the post's date and time when they get merged for whatever reasons but especially with your script. Reporting violations of rules 21 or 32 is another thing, but I'd like them to preserve the timeline for mergers ideally too.

[dkbit98]

Find the merged post, hover your mouse above the post date, and it shows who last edited it.

Yeah, I know that, but there must be someone who reported those posts.
I don't think that merging should happen in all cases, especially when time difference between two posts is months or more.

I just got 7 posts from back in 2023 deleted. It looks like someone is reporting a lot of old posts.
@mprep: why merge those? What happened to this?

It looks like there is a bot doing this work. 

I have an automated bot that detects potentially mergeable posts and I've recently started going through its backlog and merging posts that violate rules 21 and / or 32.

I don't like how this bot is working right now.
Some of my posts are not that important to be restored, but I see no reason to merge a post where I replied to other member with my older posts.

[mprep]

Allow me to quote my suggestion from last year:

How about automatically merging them? Like this:

-image snip-

The post is untouched, but the black parts aren't shown anymore. Now that I type it, I realize this is probably much more work to do. And even more work if the second post is on a new page.

This should also work fine with "Reserved" posts, and since posts aren't really merged, the post size limit shouldn't be a problem either. If the new post doesn't count as a bump, rule #32 becomes obsolete

That'd probably require backend development work (changing how posts are grouped into pages) on theymos's end and I don't have access over that.

@mprep
How about if the merge script at least could preserve the post date and time in what it merges when it finds consecutive posts that may not have been consecutive posts initially due to deletion of posts in between.

In my opinion it's beneficial to preserve the post's date and time when they get merged for whatever reasons but especially with your script. Reporting violations of rules 21 or 32 is another thing, but I'd like them to preserve the timeline for mergers ideally too.

While it'd be great to also preserve the date of the original post, I don't really see a good way to add it to the post in a way that's both elegant and doesn't editorialize too much. Aside from separating posts by lines, adding a mod note and perhaps fixing broken quotes, I (and it seems most mods) generally prefer to keep the content as untouched as possible.

Find the merged post, hover your mouse above the post date, and it shows who last edited it.

Yeah, I know that, but there must be someone who reported those posts.
I don't think that merging should happen in all cases, especially when time difference between two posts is months or more.

I just got 7 posts from back in 2023 deleted. It looks like someone is reporting a lot of old posts.
@mprep: why merge those? What happened to this?

It looks like there is a bot doing this work. 

I have an automated bot that detects potentially mergeable posts and I've recently started going through its backlog and merging posts that violate rules 21 and / or 32.

I don't like how this bot is working right now.
Some of my posts are not that important to be restored, but I see no reason to merge a post where I replied to other member with my older posts.

If someone starts reporting old posts for consecutive posting, AFAIK those reports tend to get marked as bad. As for there being months between posts, that's not relevant for rule 32 and especially rule 21. In regards to the bot, as I've mentioned, the bot only does the detection (giving me a list of links to posts) and I go through each detection manually, reviewing and deciding if and which posts should be merged, which I then merge using a userscript, whose results I review after it completes the merge.

[SirJohnVonSlotty]

Find the merged post, hover your mouse above the post date, and it shows who last edited it.

Yeah, I know that, but there must be someone who reported those posts.
I don't think that merging should happen in all cases, especially when time difference between two posts is months or more.

I just got 7 posts from back in 2023 deleted. It looks like someone is reporting a lot of old posts.
@mprep: why merge those? What happened to this?

It looks like there is a bot doing this work.  

I have an automated bot that detects potentially mergeable posts and I've recently started going through its backlog and merging posts that violate rules 21 and / or 32.

I don't like how this bot is working right now.
Some of my posts are not that important to be restored, but I see no reason to merge a post where I replied to other member with my older posts.

I left the gambling sub because no one moderated all the shit that was posted there and all the campaign comment spam. Here and there I tried posting some useful stuff to create a new momentum, or report some obvious spam, but it didn't catch.

Then I wake up to seeing a message that someone moderated one of my posts in a casino AMA thread from last year.

While the campaign comment spam is still going on : )))

I'm not saying that improvements to the moderation of the forum are not a good idea, I'm just saying that the efforts could be focused on some other fields of the forum.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

This guy was multiposting even before I joined Bitcointalk

You don't dare to touch any of his posts 😉

[dkbit98]

I left the gambling sub because no one moderated all the shit that was posted there and all the campaign comment spam. Here and there I tried posting some useful stuff to create a new momentum, or report some obvious spam, but it didn't catch.

Dear sir, you know that you can be your own moderator when you create self-moderated topic? 
You can also lock your previous topic and add link connection for new topic.
I do however agree that gambling board moderation could be better.

[Lafu]

@mprep can you config your bot please or make sure that he ore you dosnt delete important posts anymore !

Today i got 3 deleted posts from my Report Malware and Suspicious Links Thread where all 3 was and are for the records with Fake Github Links and the Accounts that have written it.
And this posts was all different with Users that have made an Fake Ann or posted Suspicious Links and where they got banned for.

Would be nice to see that some kind of important things get not deleted so that the Hackers cant use the same Links again. Thanks.

[mprep]

@mprep can you config your bot please or make sure that he ore you dosnt delete important posts anymore !

Today i got 3 deleted posts from my Report Malware and Suspicious Links Thread where all 3 was and are for the records with Fake Github Links and the Accounts that have written it.
And this posts was all different with Users that have made an Fake Ann or posted Suspicious Links and where they got banned for.

Would be nice to see that some kind of important things get not deleted so that the Hackers cant use the same Links again. Thanks.

My bot doesn't delete anything - it gives me a list of links and I manually go through and decide which posts should be merged. The contents of your consecutive posts (some of which were made within 24 hours of each other) got merged into the first post in a row and then the aforementioned consecutive posts were deleted -  as such no content was lost. If you want to know which post was first in a row, check the deletion PMs for links to that post (they're in the moderator's note at the top of the deleted consecutive posts).

[PowerGlove]

@mprep: What's the point of doing this, though? I can't think of any non-contrived upside to merging old posts, but I can think of a few genuine downsides: Destroying timelines, breaking links to specific message IDs, sometimes hiding/losing "Merited by" markers, sometimes hiding/losing "Last edit" markers, adding new divergences between the forum and its various third-party archives, generating notification noise, and just generally irritating the affected posters (and it's not like Bitcointalk has a flourishing user base, so, why annoy good members for no real upside?). I mean, how much sense does it make to bypass the reporting mechanism and produce these old-post amalgamations on your own? Especially when, as you've said, they likely would have been marked "bad" if they had been reported organically rather than found by your bot.