Betcoin.ag scam accusation

[samk1m]

I am reporting Betcoin.ag for unjustly closing my account and withholding my balance of $250.

Today, I received the following message from their support team:

"Hello, due to suspicious account activity we are unable to accept you as a member of our affiliate program, per the terms of service. Your account is permanently closed. Do not create any additional accounts or they will be subject to closure and funds withheld."

I was never given any prior warning, nor was I shown any evidence of "suspicious activity." I never violated any of their terms of service, and my gameplay and affiliate activity were legitimate. This vague accusation and sudden closure seem to be a cover for seizing my funds without due process or transparency.

They have ignored further support requests and are now holding my funds without justification.

I’m posting this to warn the community: avoid Betcoin.ag until they correct this issue and return my money. Their handling of this situation is both unprofessional and unethical.

If any Betcoin.ag representatives or anyone in the community who can help are reading this, I’m open to resolving the matter and request that you respond here or contact me directly.

[acroman08]

Any chance you can share screenshots of the conversation you've had with their support, just to make sure you can back up your claims?

Just curious, is the $250 balance on your account a money you deposited or because of their affiliate program?

I will try and PM their representative to address your issue, they might be able to give more detailed information as to why your account got banned. Maybe you should also provide the username you use on their casino or your account's UID to make it easier for them to identify which user is having an issue with them.

[Betcoin.AG]

The funds that this user deposited and played with were withdrawn in full on 1 Apr. The funds in his current balance are affiliate commissions from his 1 referral, who was determined to be an abusive player.

The OP only has 1 referral and it is extremely likely that the referral is either himself or someone working together with him.

Regardless, our affiliate program terms state:
https://support.betcoin.ag/hc/en-us/articles/24598735637147-Betcoin-ag-Affiliate-Program-Terms-and-Conditions
We reserve the right to terminate an affiliate account at any time if there has been suspected abuse by the affiliate or its players, with regard to our anti-fraud policy.

[samk1m]

The funds that this user deposited and played with were withdrawn in full on 1 Apr. The funds in his current balance are affiliate commissions from his 1 referral, who was determined to be an abusive player.

The OP only has 1 referral and it is extremely likely that the referral is either himself or someone working together with him.

Regardless, our affiliate program terms state:
https://support.betcoin.ag/hc/en-us/articles/24598735637147-Betcoin-ag-Affiliate-Program-Terms-and-Conditions
We reserve the right to terminate an affiliate account at any time if there has been suspected abuse by the affiliate or its players, with regard to our anti-fraud policy.

Thanks for the response, but I find your explanation unsatisfactory and lacking in both transparency and fairness.

1. No Proof of Abuse Provided
You claim my referral was “an abusive player” and suggest it might have been me or someone working with me. That is a serious accusation, yet you have provided absolutely no proof to support it. If you are going to confiscate affiliate earnings, you should be transparent and demonstrate clear evidence of fraudulent behavior.

2. Legitimate Activity
I had only one referral, as you acknowledge. That person deposited, played, and clearly generated action otherwise, there would be no affiliate commissions. You accepted that activity while it benefited your platform, then reversed the commissions after the fact, with no appeal process or investigation shared with me.

3. Retroactive Punishment Without Transparency
Refusing to pay earned commissions based on vague internal suspicions, without providing any proof or giving the affiliate a chance to defend themselves, is unethical. The affiliate program terms may give you the “right” to do this, but exercising that right without transparency or accountability is what defines a bad actor in the crypto and iGaming space.

4. Funds Were Earned, Not Stolen
The $250 in question are not bonus funds or deposits, they're commissions generated by activity you yourself tracked and credited to my account. If there was fraud, you should provide details and pursue that through proper dispute resolution not unilaterally seize funds

[samk1m]

Any chance you can share screenshots of the conversation you've had with their support, just to make sure you can back up your claims?

Just curious, is the $250 balance on your account a money you deposited or because of their affiliate program?

I will try and PM their representative to address your issue, they might be able to give more detailed information as to why your account got banned. Maybe you should also provide the username you use on their casino or your account's UID to make it easier for them to identify which user is having an issue with them.

Do you still need it sir?

[Betcoin.AG]

Wow! You sure are good at making BitcoinTalk posts, for this being your first day here. Is this Deja Vu or have you made other scam accusations on other accounts. Let's be real clear here. You deposited with us and we refused your action and sent your deposit back. Why you would possibly think we would want referrals from you is beyond comprehension. But you sent 1. And he was an abuser. Just like you would have been if we had let you play. You chose the wrong site to try and steal from. Stay far away from us and move onto your next scam.

[nutildah]

Wow! You sure are good at making BitcoinTalk posts, for this being your first day here.

He's not good at making Bitcointalk posts, ChatGPT is. FWIW I have never seen an AI-generated scam accusation that was actually valid. Its too easy to spam the forum with such accusations & there have been dozens of accounts now that use AI to throw shit against the wall and see what sticks. Any accusations that come back as 70%+ AI according to these detectors should be dismissed:

https://copyleaks.com/ai-content-detector
https://app.gptzero.me/
https://sapling.ai/ai-content-detector

Both of OPs posts come back as 100% AI-generated for all 3 detectors.

[nonlogs]

Wow! You sure are good at making BitcoinTalk posts, for this being your first day here. Is this Deja Vu or have you made other scam accusations on other accounts. Let's be real clear here. You deposited with us and we refused your action and sent your deposit back. Why you would possibly think we would want referrals from you is beyond comprehension. But you sent 1. And he was an abuser. Just like you would have been if we had let you play. You chose the wrong site to try and steal from. Stay far away from us and move onto your next scam.

Well, if the deposit was sent back, that means no referral reward, right? So I guess the OP needs to understand that the company won't pay you out of their own pocket.

[samk1m]

Let’s cut through the noise. Betcoin.ag banned me and stole $250 in affiliate commissions because they decided, without proof, that my referral was “abusive.” No evidence. No dispute process. Just a vague accusation, instant account ban, and seizure of funds. And now they’re trying to deflect by: Claiming my post was “too well-written” (what kind of defense is that?) Suggesting I’m a scammer for using proper grammar Hiding behind the "we can do what we want" clause in their terms of service
Here are the facts: I deposited. They refunded it. Fine. I referred one person. That person deposited, played, and earned affiliate commissions. Those commissions were paid to me Betcoin.ag documented them and confirmed them. And then suddenly, without reason or evidence, they shut down my account and stole the money. If you're going to steal user earnings, you at least owe them a process and transparency. It's not acceptable to hide behind vague TOS language and steal money after you've already credited it.

This has nothing to do with ChatGPT or forum drama. This is about a platform that:

Takes deposits and referrals

 Pays commissions

Then retroactively takes them without being held accountable

That's stealing. Let's call it what it is.

If Betcoin.ag has actual proof of abuse, share it here. Otherwise, this is precisely why scam allegations exist to reveal businesses that use legalese to cover up while robbing users.

[Betcoin.AG]

We see that after we refused your action on 31 Mar, you asked our chat support to close your account permanently and were told account closures must be requested by email. Instead of emailing, you decided to double down and start referring people? Why would you even want to refer someone to a site that told you that you are not welcome to play? There is no legitimate reason for this. And no legitimate affiliate would think they can be paid commissions from an abuser's activity.

We absolutely have proof that your referral is abusive and if he wants to file a complaint with a 3rd party mediator or our licensor, he is welcome to do so. You have no standing whatsoever, as we can refuse anyone from being a member of our affiliate program.

BTW, we can see you in the background of your "referral's" KYC. GTFOH, scammer

[samk1m]

We see that after we refused your action on 31 Mar, you asked our chat support to close your account permanently and were told account closures must be requested by email. Instead of emailing, you decided to double down and start referring people? Why would you even want to refer someone to a site that told you that you are not welcome to play? There is no legitimate reason for this. And no legitimate affiliate would think they can be paid commissions from an abuser's activity.

We absolutely have proof that your referral is abusive and if he wants to file a complaint with a 3rd party mediator or our licensor, he is welcome to do so. You have no standing whatsoever, as we can refuse anyone from being a member of our affiliate program.

BTW, we can see you in the background of your "referral's" KYC. GTFOH, scammer

$250 in affiliate commissions. That's what all of this meltdown is about.

I sent you cash, you refunded it. Fine.
But you never once banned me, notified me that I could no longer play, or any kind of restriction until after the fact.

Then I refer one person one and you give me the credits for the commissions. You followed them. You accepted them. You paid them into my balance. And when it is time to actually pay out, you freak out and freeze the money with no explanation.

And now your excuse?
You come up with some fantasy that I appear in the background of my referral's KYC despite:

I never ever did KYC myself

I was never told I wasn't allowed to use the site

You never provided any evidence, proof, screenshots, or logs just flat out lies

Let's be real: you're not imposing rules. You're taking commissions and making up shit to cover for it. You're publicly accsing users of fraud behind vague TOS, and when prompted for details, all you can do is:

GTFOH, scammer.

That's your professionalism? That's your conflict resolution?

This isn't dodgy. It's embarrassing. You stole the money, made up a false story, and now you're spinning in public like a Telegram con artist who's being called out.

You don't need affiliates. You need free traffic and an after-the-fact loophole to refund commissions. And anyone who is thinking of working with Betcoin.ag should know exactly how you operate when the stakes are on the line.

You exposed yourself. All I did was show up and ask for what I earned.

[Betcoin.AG]

Sorry our ToS are "vague". To clarify for everyone:
If you are told not to place a bet with us and to withdraw your deposit, we are not interested in your referrals. Interestingly enough, the referral was guilty of exactly what we suspected you would be guilty of. Weird, right? It's almost like our security has dealt with so many people like you, that we can reject them before they even play.

We have hundreds of affiliates earning far more than 250. Why would we single you out? You are embarrassingly bad at this. Get a real job. We are done here.

[dimonstration]

Wow! You sure are good at making BitcoinTalk posts, for this being your first day here. Is this Deja Vu or have you made other scam accusations on other accounts. Let's be real clear here. You deposited with us and we refused your action and sent your deposit back. Why you would possibly think we would want referrals from you is beyond comprehension. But you sent 1. And he was an abuser. Just like you would have been if we had let you play. You chose the wrong site to try and steal from. Stay far away from us and move onto your next scam.

Well, if the deposit was sent back, that means no referral reward, right? So I guess the OP needs to understand that the company won't pay you out of their own pocket.

The deposit was made on the account of the OP while the money in question here is the referral commission from other user that wager to give OP a 250$ commission.

I’m not sure how the abuse done but Betcoin.ag will not ban random user due to referral commission if there’s nothing wrong on the betting pattern of the account.

@Betcoin, Can you give us the overview of the abuse which the OP committed?

[holydarkness]

Let’s cut through the noise. [...]

I agree. This seems the most optimal approach.

In attempt to cut through all of these and get to the bottom of your situation, mind to tell us about your one and only referral? How do you get them to join Betcoin, how are you related to them, etc.?

[samk1m]

Sorry our ToS are "vague". To clarify for everyone:
If you are told not to place a bet with us and to withdraw your deposit, we are not interested in your referrals. Interestingly enough, the referral was guilty of exactly what we suspected you would be guilty of. Weird, right? It's almost like our security has dealt with so many people like you, that we can reject them before they even play.

We have hundreds of affiliates earning far more than 250. Why would we single you out? You are embarrassingly bad at this. Get a real job. We are done here.

You're literally embarrassing yourselves at this point.

Let's take the bullshit in slow motion for everyone watching:

I wasn't banned. I wasn't warned. I wasn't blocked from betting. You made that up afterwards to cover your ass for stealing my affiliate commission.

I asked for a bonus. You said no. I said fine. Then I asked to withdraw. You said yes. That is the actual conversation and if not, please post the logs. You will not. Because you're a liar.

You traced a referral, gave me commissions, and when payout time came, you panicked and said, "Hold on, this guy can make money. Better hit him with ambiguous ToS violations and call it abuse."

And your genial defense now is, "We knew you were a scammer, so we preemptively stole your money." You are kidding, right?

You're telling me you can read minds now?

That's not fraud protection, that's thievery. That's post-event, made-up bullshit to justify canceling a payout that you already tracked, approved, and credited.

And now you're writing "Get a real job" and "GTFOH" rather than answering real questions. You sound like a scam Telegram admin who just rugged a coin launch.

If I got banned post the message. If I violated terms post the evidence. If the referral was actually me show the proof.

You won't. Because you have none.

You don't ban people who "abuse." You wait until payout time, then you use the word "abuse" like a magic wand and wave it around like you're casting a spell. That's your whole scam.

You got caught. You're desperate. And now you're fighting in public, attempting to distract from the fact that you just stole funds from someone who did nothing wrong.

Everyone notices. Dig deeper.

[samk1m]

Let’s cut through the noise. [...]

I agree. This seems the most optimal approach.

In attempt to cut through all of these and get to the bottom of your situation, mind to tell us about your one and only referral? How do you get them to join Betcoin, how are you related to them, etc.?

Appreciation for cutting through the noise and actually asking a cogent question.

In explanation:
A public affiliate link I published was utilized by someone. I don't know them, they are not affiliated with me, and I never responded to them. Where they found the link in a group or somewhere else I have no clue. It was out there for the taking.

What I do know is the following:

Betcoin did follow through on that referral.

Paid me a $250 commission.

And then when it was time to pay out, they hit me with a made-up charge and shut the entire thing down.

No mention of what this "abuse" supposedly consisted of. No transparency. Just vague ToS boilerplate and, strangely, a claim that I "appeared in the referral's KYC" even though I never even submitted KYC myself.

They're clearly trying to retroactively justify seizing a payout they didn't want to pay out.

So that is the simple answer: I did not refer a friend, co-worker, or alt account.
A public link had been utilized in order to join. Betcoin took it, followed it, paid commission then withdrew it when it was convenient for them.

That is not fraud protection. That is theft.

[holydarkness]

Let’s cut through the noise. [...]

I agree. This seems the most optimal approach.

In attempt to cut through all of these and get to the bottom of your situation, mind to tell us about your one and only referral? How do you get them to join Betcoin, how are you related to them, etc.?

Appreciation for cutting through the noise and actually asking a cogent question.

In explanation:
A public affiliate link I published was utilized by someone. I don't know them, they are not affiliated with me, and I never responded to them. Where they found the link in a group or somewhere else I have no clue. It was out there for the taking.

What I do know is the following:

Betcoin did follow through on that referral.

Paid me a $250 commission.

And then when it was time to pay out, they hit me with a made-up charge and shut the entire thing down.

No mention of what this "abuse" supposedly consisted of. No transparency. Just vague ToS boilerplate and, strangely, a claim that I "appeared in the referral's KYC" even though I never even submitted KYC myself.

They're clearly trying to retroactively justify seizing a payout they didn't want to pay out.

So that is the simple answer: I did not refer a friend, co-worker, or alt account.
A public link had been utilized in order to join. Betcoin took it, followed it, paid commission then withdrew it when it was convenient for them.

That is not fraud protection. That is theft.

So you posted that referral link of yours in... what, again? Your X? Instagram post? Telegram group chat? Or you're not sure because you basically just sow the seed everywhere you can, posted that link in every social media you have, and you happen to get one of the user of whichever forum or platform that is, to use your link?

[samk1m]

Let’s cut through the noise. [...]

I agree. This seems the most optimal approach.

In attempt to cut through all of these and get to the bottom of your situation, mind to tell us about your one and only referral? How do you get them to join Betcoin, how are you related to them, etc.?

Appreciation for cutting through the noise and actually asking a cogent question.

In explanation:
A public affiliate link I published was utilized by someone. I don't know them, they are not affiliated with me, and I never responded to them. Where they found the link in a group or somewhere else I have no clue. It was out there for the taking.

What I do know is the following:

Betcoin did follow through on that referral.

Paid me a $250 commission.

And then when it was time to pay out, they hit me with a made-up charge and shut the entire thing down.

No mention of what this "abuse" supposedly consisted of. No transparency. Just vague ToS boilerplate and, strangely, a claim that I "appeared in the referral's KYC" even though I never even submitted KYC myself.

They're clearly trying to retroactively justify seizing a payout they didn't want to pay out.

So that is the simple answer: I did not refer a friend, co-worker, or alt account.
A public link had been utilized in order to join. Betcoin took it, followed it, paid commission then withdrew it when it was convenient for them.

That is not fraud protection. That is theft.

So you posted that referral link of yours in... what, again? Your X? Instagram post? Telegram group chat? Or you're not sure because you basically just sow the seed everywhere you can, posted that link in every social media you have, and you happen to get one of the user of whichever forum or platform that is, to use your link?

I published the affiliate link in a few open internet spaces nothing in particular or personal. It was out there for whoever could see it, such as most affiliate links. I do not have one-click tracking, so I can not conclusively say where the user was from simply that Betcoin accepted the referral, awarded the commission, and later took it back without ever saying what rule supposedly had been broken.

[holydarkness]

So you posted that referral link of yours in... what, again? Your X? Instagram post? Telegram group chat? Or you're not sure because you basically just sow the seed everywhere you can, posted that link in every social media you have, and you happen to get one of the user of whichever forum or platform that is, to use your link?

I published the affiliate link in a few open internet spaces nothing in particular or personal. It was out there for whoever could see it, such as most affiliate links. I do not have one-click tracking, so I can not conclusively say where the user was from simply that Betcoin accepted the referral, awarded the commission, and later took it back without ever saying what rule supposedly had been broken.

Ok, so we can at least see several of those posts containing affiliate link in the open internet spaces you published? Right? Though it might still be nothing, that'll still could be a good start to show that you got your referral honestly.

[samk1m]

So you posted that referral link of yours in... what, again? Your X? Instagram post? Telegram group chat? Or you're not sure because you basically just sow the seed everywhere you can, posted that link in every social media you have, and you happen to get one of the user of whichever forum or platform that is, to use your link?

I published the affiliate link in a few open internet spaces nothing in particular or personal. It was out there for whoever could see it, such as most affiliate links. I do not have one-click tracking, so I can not conclusively say where the user was from simply that Betcoin accepted the referral, awarded the commission, and later took it back without ever saying what rule supposedly had been broken.

Ok, so we can at least see several of those posts containing affiliate link in the open internet spaces you published? Right? Though it might still be nothing, that'll still could be a good start to show that you got your referral honestly.

The link was shared in a public channel on the Discord awhich is a massive, fast-moving server. Posts can be buried in minutes. I’m not going to scroll through weeks of noise just to satisfy Betcoin’s shifting narrative. That’s not how affiliate systems are supposed to work.

Their own system tracked the referral, applied the commission, and only when it came time to pay did they cry foul without presenting a shred of actual evidence.

Let’s not twist this around:
I’m not the one with the problem they are.
They’re the ones retroactively seizing earnings, inventing connections, and hoping no one demands proof.

If Betcoin truly had a case, they’d post data. Logs. Overlap. Something.
Rather, they're all bluff since they have nothing.