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May 27, 2025, 03:55:50 PM
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Anyone who chooses to become a crypto influencer has already signed up for the risks involved in such a job. If they truly value their safety, they will not just focus on the money they are being paid but will ensure they keep vital information about themselves very private. They should promote the brand they are working for and keep their private information out of it.

There is no need to disclose locations, family, and other details not meant for public consumption. If possible, be an anonymous influencer. There are AI tools available to ensure that this works perfectly and with wider publicity.

That's exactly what happens with that YouTube channel influencer I mentioned earlier, there's nothing better than staying anonymous when talking about finance. The other influencers from that channel all live abroad, meaning they create content aimed at a Brazilian audience but live in the United States or Portugal. The only one who still lives in Brazil is the one who remains anonymous.
The one who chose to live in Brazil and remain anonymous is the wisest. Bitcoin, or rather crypto as a whole, is a universal thing. No matter your audience, if you are not careful enough, the people you least expect can harm you even if you think you are far from home, there are crypto enthusiasts everywhere. Now we know the other guys live in the United States and Portugal, they are still not free from trouble. We do not need to know where they live exactly.

If I were to be a crypto influencer, I would stick to using talking avatars to portray my message. There are a lot of videos like this, and people absolutely love them. I prioritize my safety and that of my family.

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May 27, 2025, 06:54:41 PM
 #102

Anyone who chooses to become a crypto influencer has already signed up for the risks involved in such a job. If they truly value their safety, they will not just focus on the money they are being paid but will ensure they keep vital information about themselves very private. They should promote the brand they are working for and keep their private information out of it.

There is no need to disclose locations, family, and other details not meant for public consumption. If possible, be an anonymous influencer. There are AI tools available to ensure that this works perfectly and with wider publicity.
If this world has sensible and wise people, then this world is also the home of fools and at the same time this world is also the home of devils, so people of all kinds of mindsets are found here but it depends on you which category of people you would like to go to because if you are active in crypto and you are doing your work with any brand, of course you are getting as much benefit from it as possible, but the principle of work and development is that you should not share your private matters and your private information with anyone, but they should definitely have such a backward relationship with any brand or platform because good and bad people are found everywhere and bad people live in the same way that when and how they can harm or deceive whom, so you should have more principles of saving yourself. If you have the principles of business, then you should also have the principles of protecting yourself. Only in this way You can avoid the disease of infidelity, but now it's a digital world. You can easily hide your true self using some tools and reveal yourself with a new identity that only you know and no one else.

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May 27, 2025, 08:43:20 PM
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If I were to be a crypto influencer, I would stick to using talking avatars to portray my message. There are a lot of videos like this, and people absolutely love them. I prioritize my safety and that of my family.
Me too, I don't want to show my face and will hide my identity because of the incidents like this. But if I'll be showing my face, I won't content any crypto related things. That's why it's best to protect our lives while doing these thing and aware of what's happening in the surroundings like all of the kidnappings because they know that a person has a crypto. And don't always be too vocal about your holdings even if someone keeps on insisting of asking you that.

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May 27, 2025, 11:29:36 PM
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If I were to be a crypto influencer, I would stick to using talking avatars to portray my message. There are a lot of videos like this, and people absolutely love them. I prioritize my safety and that of my family.
Me too, I don't want to show my face and will hide my identity because of the incidents like this. But if I'll be showing my face, I won't content any crypto related things. That's why it's best to protect our lives while doing these thing and aware of what's happening in the surroundings like all of the kidnappings because they know that a person has a crypto. And don't always be too vocal about your holdings even if someone keeps on insisting of asking you that.
So in the end, the concept of anonymity that has always been emphasized for bitcoin has indeed become one of the good things and has been calculated from the start in the end.

But nowadays sometimes people always want to appear to show themselves just because of the achievements made because not a few people do that on social media or even among our lives in the environment.
Moreover, sometimes in everyday life in some moments achievements are always used as a benchmark to make themselves seem better than other people, even though consciously or not this makes the situation uncontrollable for themselves in terms of safety and vulnerability to their assets.

I personally currently still want to continue to protect myself from this and as much as possible I avoid things that smell of publicity especially when dealing with the assets we have.

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May 28, 2025, 02:56:06 PM
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The issue of physical safety for BTC or cryptocurrency hodlers  has been debated many times on the forum, and following several kidnappings of crypto influencers' relatives in France (but these kidnappings obviously also occur in other countries), how can btc influencers ensure their safety and that of their loved ones?

How can they both have visibility AND ensure their safety?
Bitcoin influencers do not necessarily mean that they’re also investors at the same. While others may have   been hodling their coins, but some just focus on providing bitcoin market analysis and insights, and give some recommendations on how to invest bitcoin.

So I don’t think their safety and security are at risk, except for those who obviously flaunt their bitcoin assets and other crypto investments in social media, as they are literally putting their own selves into danger.

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May 28, 2025, 08:15:02 PM
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Another kidnapping attempt in France (Nantes). However, there are still few of them, and this one failed. Police have made about twenty arrests; all recent kidnappings are believed to have been perpetrated by the same person or same group. Among the kidnappers, there are said to be minors.

A report from Binance indicates that Europe, with 59 cases recorded over the past six years, is the most affected region overall, followed by North America (48 cases) and Asia (62 cases, mainly in Southeast Asia). Among European countries, France stands out for a recent resurgence, but the United States remains the global "leader".

(https://www.binance.com/en/square/post/24810455346857)

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Cryptocurrencies are part of an open ecosystem, meaning that a lot of information, including wallet balances, transactions, and assets, is publicly accessible. This allows for easy tracking of high-net-worth individuals. MicroStrategy founder Michael Saylor recently stated that publishing proof of crypto reserves is "a bad idea." His words are especially relevant in the context of rising violence and crime related to cryptocurrencies. The use of advanced analytical tools that track specific wallets makes these individuals easy targets for kidnappers who can exploit publicly available information.

This new threat to crypto investors underscores how important it is to be cautious when sharing any information about investments and to protect personal and financial data.



Sources : https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/cryptomonnaies-une-nouvelle-tentative-denlevement-dejouee-lundi-pres-de-nantes-27-05-2025-JGYMJJQCUJDSRBGXCJBAATMH7Q.php

https://www.maddyness.com/2025/05/27/cryptomonnaies-une-dizaine-dinterpellations-suite-a-la-serie-de-kidnappings/

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May 28, 2025, 09:06:05 PM
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The issue of physical safety for BTC or cryptocurrency hodlers  has been debated many times on the forum, and following several kidnappings of crypto influencers' relatives in France (but these kidnappings obviously also occur in other countries), how can btc influencers ensure their safety and that of their loved ones?

How can they both have visibility AND ensure their safety?
Bitcoin influencers do not necessarily mean that they’re also investors at the same. While others may have   been hodling their coins, but some just focus on providing bitcoin market analysis and insights, and give some recommendations on how to invest bitcoin.
Then they are not bitcoin influencers. They are just influencers who probably was tasked or paid by someone else to promote bitcoin or other crypto platform. This also lessens their credibility because how can you give advice to others if you are not doing it yourself?
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So I don’t think their safety and security are at risk, except for those who obviously flaunt their bitcoin assets and other crypto investments in social media, as they are literally putting their own selves into danger.
Even influencers can be in danger because scammers would try all sorts of tricks and might target anyone to see if they are holding some crypto or any kind of money to be honest
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So I don’t think their safety and security are at risk, except for those who obviously flaunt their bitcoin assets and other crypto investments in social media, as they are literally putting their own selves into danger.
Even influencers can be in danger because scammers would try all sorts of tricks and might target anyone to see if they are holding some crypto or any kind of money to be honest
As long as they show off their assets, they won't be able to get comfortable in the end because anything can happen, including with those they are targeting. Influencers are the same because in the end there is no distinction between us and them as long as they also do this then they can be targeted too no matter how famous they are then all possibilities can happen in the end.

But I think the thinking of influencers is a little different in that they must know they are not very safe if they present themselves like this but they still do it because this is their appeal, this is actually like risking a risk where the guarantee is popularity. They will think it's worth it even though for me it's definitely not worth it because for me, peace of mind is to not expose yourself for something that you have if you end up being targeted then it's better not to do it.

 
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May 28, 2025, 09:55:00 PM
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In fact, if you create a big image in society, your neighbors will be a little jealous of you. That is through Bitcoin or through any other business.
Here, safety is completely on you. You have to move safely in your own movements. That means not going out alone.
Another thing is that you cannot show off too much. Because showing off creates enemies. Another thing is to live life normally.
The fact that you have known as a btc influencer, then you should keep that as a serious job. Do not do things that you might regret later on like trying to advertise your achievements with bitcoin because that will surely draw attention, and later on suspicion that you also have a good amount of bitcoin portfolio, something that will make these bad buys keep eyeing on you.

When this happens, it’s best to not walk alone but go with some friends that can protect you, or hire some body guards that will surely protect you at all cost. Not only yourself, but also your loved ones as they can also be the target next to you.

 
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The issue of physical safety for BTC or cryptocurrency hodlers  has been debated many times on the forum, and following several kidnappings of crypto influencers' relatives in France (but these kidnappings obviously also occur in other countries), how can btc influencers ensure their safety and that of their loved ones?

How can they both have visibility AND ensure their safety?
Immediately you take up an important role that you understand put your security at risk and jeopardize your safety, you should not take your security for granted. As you make money from influencing, you need to also invest this money into your security because it is necessary. Invest in private security to follow you or specific family members who you think are at risk, can be one option and another option can be keeping private information very private that it is difficult to obtain by the public.

Private security does not seem very practical, even for someone with a decent amount of money.  Having private security will also draw attention to the person, too.

By not revealing their own identity and try to as private as possible.

Let's get the definition of influencer.

someone who affects or changes the way that other people behave:

There are many influencers in this forum and they never reveal their identity, although theymos likely have their IP address. Still, I don't know who're them, their face and so on.

o_e_l_e_o is one example of Bitcoin influencer, he taught me many thing about decentralization and non custodial, he influence me to use non custodial wallet in order to support decentralization.
These influencers are paid handsomely by Theymos for staying active in the forum and bringing more important persons into the forum, too. Although Theymos would not want to make it open to the forum, who these members are. o_e_l_e_o might be one of them, another member I think, is an influencer in the forum, is JayJuanGee. His knowledge of Bitcoin is beyond comprehension. There could be more of them, but whatever, only Theymos knows, as you rightly said.

As far as I know, members are not paid by the forum, except those that say staff and/or moderator might be receiving some compensation, but not regular members like me.  

I will concede that there likely is some power, credibility and influence that comes from being a longer-term member and/or even from being a merit source, yet a lot of the credibility comes from the contents of posts and/or even some interactions with other members that might motivate them to side with you and or help you - and I am not implying that there necessarily is any quid pro quo going on.. even though surely over the years any members might pay some other members for help or get paid for helping other members.. which sometimes those kinds of past payment or relationships might be disclosed, but they don't necessarily need to be disclosed.  Of course, signature campaigns also have a pay component, and there were only about slightly more than two years between late 2015 and early 2018 that I participated in a few different signature campaigns. yet I found them to be more trouble than what they are worth.

Many of the longer term forum members have mostly attempted to stay anonymous, even though it seems some have regretfully disclosed more of their personal information than they liked and sometimes have sought name changes based on their giving away a lot of personal information (probably more than they should have had done).  

Surely there are assumptions that longer term bitcoiners either have a lot of bitcoin or have a lot of money, and surely sometimes we even state some of our particulars that include that bitcoin has been good to us... And, so there also can be some reluctance to get into some of the details because sometimes details are used against members..  and sometimes, if we talk in terms of hypotheticals, there also can be some common threads that cause other members (or even people reading who are not members) to presume that we might have certain quantities of bitcoin based on some of the examples that we tend to like to give.

It can be difficult to help others without providing examples.  I even have had friends in real life who make certain presumptions based on information that they know about me, so then sometimes some of us might even regret engaging in some good deeds because the information might end up getting out and then there may well be unrealistic presumptions that come from the information that is known, and yeah, some folks are more desperate than others in regards to how far they will want to try to go in order to be able to receive some bitcoin.. or even other types of easily transferable coins that any of us might hold.

We should be attempting to take precautions, and sometimes on the street when I might ask some business if they accept bitcoin, then I try to frame the acceptance of bitcoin in terms of being practical rather than suggesting that I have a lot of it.  I might say that bitcoin tends to be a great means of payment that does not necessarily involve as many transaction costs as a credit card might have... if the alternative payment method might be considered to be a credit card.. .. sometimes it could be a regular vender, or it could be a individual owner or it could even be something like a private transaction, let's say that I was buying a trailer to put my motorcycle or to put my car, so then I see an advertisement of someone selling a trailer for $1,500.. or maybe I was wanting to buy a stove or a refrigerator, and I saw an ad for that, so then I might ask them if they accept bitcoin.. and you never know if I will ever meet them again.. it could be a one time transaction and meeting.

The issue of physical safety for BTC or cryptocurrency hodlers  has been debated many times on the forum, and following several kidnappings of crypto influencers' relatives in France (but these kidnappings obviously also occur in other countries), how can btc influencers ensure their safety and that of their loved ones?
Kidnappers don’t work without information. For one to be a victim of kidnappers, it is very possible they might have gotten information about one’s possession in Bitcoin. Bitcoin is a valuable asset, and some people believe whoever has Bitcoin is rich or financially well-off. It is better to be private about one’s Bitcoin investment and achievements.

 Privacy matters a lot because what people don’t know, they can’t tamper with. Bitcoin investors should learn how to be private with their investments. Privacy in Bitcoin is not just about keeping the seed phrase private but also about keeping the investment private too.

There is also a balance for any of us wanting to use bitcoin and to have more possibilities of transacting directly with people in the real world.. So hopefully all of us are not scared away from the possibility to transact bitcoin directly with our neighbors and other folks in the community and in the real world.

Are we going to distrust all of our neighbors and the people we meet in real life?  Hopefully not.

Those risks you say can be managed properly, Bitcoin influencers can still influence Bitcoin and not say anything regarding their investment, when bragging or much talk on personal holdings keep being discussed, used as a preference so others can pick interest, that makes the influencer a target as the attackers will know a lot before attacking. The same way our celebrities stay out of trouble, same pattern can be followed by rarely discussing where you want to be, secondly also avoid releasing information about current location till you are out of there, just some minor tricks to stay out of trouble.
If I see someone who talk about Bitcoin and he really knows well, even he didn't mention or trying to be low profile, I will consider him to have a lot Bitcoin. Anyone could claim himself don't really understand or don't have a lot Bitcoin, but knowledge don't lie.

Even they didn't show post or share their location to anyone, there's always paparazzi who will taking their photo and let people/their friends know if they meet popular person.

Yep.  There are going to be assumptions that folks who talk about bitcoin have bitcoin.

I recall a few years ago Andreas Antonopolis proclaimed that he did not have very many bitcoin, even though he had been traveling around the world and teaching bitcoin for several years, and then someone like Roger Ver made fun of Antonopolis saying that Antonopolis must be a bad money manager since he claimed to not have many if any bitcoin.  Soon thereafter, a donation address was created for Antonopolis and millions of dollars worth of bitcoin was soon thereafter sent to such bitcoin donation addresses, since there were several folks who were in bitcoin and grateful towards Antonopolis's helping to bring them into bitcoin (through Antonopolis's bitcoin teachings).  

A similar thing seems to be happening with Ross Ulbricht, too.  Ulbricht has been receiving a lot of donations, and just recently he had received a donation of 300 bitcoin.. which surely is a lot of value for someone to have had chosen to send to Ulbricht and likely for Ulbricht being both an influential and a sympathetic figure.

In any event, the assumption of the older and even famous bitcoiner having a lot of bitcoin is not necessarily true, yet the mere belief that the older/famous bitcoiner has a lot of bitcoin will still put the older/famous bitcoiner in danger.

Keeping your source of income secret is the most essential behavior to exhibit because every business has their secret that make them ahead of other companies. When you are secret about it, people tends to remove their evil eyes on you rather you look like just an ordinary guy who struggles for survival, you only know how much quantity of Bitcoin accumulated in your wallet and no much noise about it.

It's also a bonus point if you are the type that has less friends and you don't go about arguing with them amount you have in your wallet, doing that is setting yourself a fire that'll burn on you sooner or later.
It is more easier to stay humble and keep your rich and bitcoin investment in secret at individual leve than at business level. If you are an individual investor, you can do your investment secretly and if you are aware about importance of privacy like "Privacy matters", you will not publicly tell anyone about your investment and show off your rich.

You will also not be ready for participating in public events that attract many Bitcoin investors, cryptocurrency enthusiasts and surely there are bad people there too. Your privacy lost forever after you lost it and you can not restore your privacy after it was lost.
https://www.lopp.net/bitcoin-information/privacy.html
A Modest Privacy Protection Proposal.

Going to bitcoin meetups can also be risky, yet at the same time, bitcoin becomes much more powerful when we know about ways to transact with people in real life directly, whether it is for goods and services and/or for interchanging cash for bitcoin.. or bitcoin for cash.

If we are completely scared away from interacting with others in regards to bitcoin and if we are ONLY transacting our bitcoin through KYC services, then bitcoin is going to lose a lot of its power and its value.  There could be several ways in which powers that be, banks and/or governments are try to scare us away from the ideas of interacting directly with our neighbors, people in the community and even people who we might get to know through referrals - which sure might also be considered to be somewhat random folks, yet maybe we should still screen any of the folks who we might consider transacting with in bitcoin, and even suggest that we might have practices in which we do not do large transactions with other folks, unless it happens to be a house or something kind of a large transaction like that (buying a Lambo from some one?), but then those kinds of larger purchases (transactions) will have other ways that they are KYC'd and there may be timelines that are in the future that the final transactions are made, even if there might be various deposits along the way, too.

Its a great tool but sadly most of us don't use it the way its meant to be. Most services don't allow us to use it the way its meant to be.

Wish more 'influencers' talk about this.
Such influencers would be hated by government and centralized institutions. Instead of trying to be safe, if someone did that, they open a can of worms, even they use pseudonym or didn't reveal their identity.

If the influencers gone viral, I'm sure they will be targeted by the centralized institutions.

Another thing, influencers make money not only by ads and views, they make money from endorsement, 99.9% of endorsement came from centralized institutions.
Government doesn't care. CIs don't care. I bet you not one single government or CI went to arrest or shutdown the old teachers of Bitcoin like Andreas Ant. He is so famous he still does lectures and talks and always educates people about proper use for privacy.

Like you said if you so fear it, use pseudonym.

Anyway back on point, people talk about anonymity (wrong absolutely) and privacy (usually wrong) as they don't use BTC properly. Influencers number one criminal in this.

Even though I am not sure, I think that I get your point slaman29.  There are ways to use coin control and even coin management so that bitcoin transactions are not being made from large wallet balances.  Anyone going back to various earlier bounces cannot necessarily know that the earlier hops are owned by the same person.  There are ways that anyone can screw up, including having high balances on their wallets.  I recall various times in both 2017 and also in 2021 in which I accidentally ended up having large balances on hot wallets because I either forgot the balances were there or I was thinking about the balances in terms of their earlier valuations, and between 2015 and 2017, bitcoin prices went up 78x, which is a lot of change in value, so that even a few hundred dollars in 2015 ended up being 10s of thousands of dollars in 2017... and a similar thing happened in 2021 when the value went up around 16x between early 2019 and various points in time in 2021.

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The issue of physical safety for BTC or cryptocurrency hodlers  has been debated many times on the forum, and following several kidnappings of crypto influencers' relatives in France (but these kidnappings obviously also occur in other countries), how can btc influencers ensure their safety and that of their loved ones?

How can they both have visibility AND ensure their safety?
I think the best way for bitcoin holders to do is to keep their ownership a secret. That way I think the security of bitcoin holders will be much safer. So if we become a bitcoin or cryptocurrency influencer, of course many parties will assume that we have a lot of assets in bitcoin or crypto and of course if this is known by bad people, it is likely that we will be targeted by these criminals. That is why I think being an influencer about bitcoin investment and so on can be said to be very risky. So if you don't dare to take the risk, then it's better not to dare to become an influencer. But fortunately in my country there has never been a bitcoin influencer who was robbed, so maybe we should also look at the situation in the country where we live to become a bitcoin influencer. If possible or safe, then it's okay to be an influencer. But if it's not safe, then it's better not to. Because the risk is certainly not worth the results.

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The issue of physical safety for BTC or cryptocurrency hodlers  has been debated many times on the forum, and following several kidnappings of crypto influencers' relatives in France (but these kidnappings obviously also occur in other countries), how can btc influencers ensure their safety and that of their loved ones?

How can they both have visibility AND ensure their safety?
Bitcoin influencers do not necessarily mean that they’re also investors at the same. While others may have   been hodling their coins, but some just focus on providing bitcoin market analysis and insights, and give some recommendations on how to invest bitcoin.

So I don’t think their safety and security are at risk, except for those who obviously flaunt their bitcoin assets and other crypto investments in social media, as they are literally putting their own selves into danger.
That seems right, plenty of KOLs just here for the vibe and hype, not necessarily hold that much bitcoin, some even still building. Regardless though, it's still a concern and the solution is still remain to be seen.

If other country offer safety for those crypto millionaires, I guess they'd move over.

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The issue of physical safety for BTC or cryptocurrency hodlers  has been debated many times on the forum, and following several kidnappings of crypto influencers' relatives in France (but these kidnappings obviously also occur in other countries), how can btc influencers ensure their safety and that of their loved ones?

How can they both have visibility AND ensure their safety?

I read similar thing that happened in New York just this morning and I logged in here to see this again. This issue is becoming rampant but who's to be blamed? The big question here is who give that tittle "BTC influencer"? Because as far as I know, BTC always preach privacy and I wonder how we reach this stage that people flaunt and boast of having/holding bitcoin and then call themselves influencers.

Bitcoin is a valuable asset and no sane person publicly talk about owning an asset unless required by law enforcement agency. If you do at your own will, then be ready for the consequences that will follow. Your security is more important than social media publicity and validation.

 
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The issue of physical safety for BTC or cryptocurrency hodlers  has been debated many times on the forum, and following several kidnappings of crypto influencers' relatives in France (but these kidnappings obviously also occur in other countries), how can btc influencers ensure their safety and that of their loved ones?

How can they both have visibility AND ensure their safety?
I wanted to create Bitcoin Signet Rings and asked the community if they would be interested in buying Bitcoin Signet Rings or not but for me surprise, many people posted that they were afraid to wear it. I couldn't see any problem in wearing a Bitcoin ring but now I clearly see it. Lots of people, who own or try to represent their name with cryptocurrencies, are becoming victims of physical attacks in many countries. It's very bad and now I think it's better to be quiet than to talk about how many Bitcoins you own. I used to flex with my involvement in cryptocurrencies and I've often said that I own X Bitcoin to make myself appear cool among others but now I think I'll be quiet. It's very sad that we are forced to do it.

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Even though I am not sure, I think that I get your point slaman29.  There are ways to use coin control and even coin management so that bitcoin transactions are not being made from large wallet balances.  Anyone going back to various earlier bounces cannot necessarily know that the earlier hops are owned by the same person.  There are ways that anyone can screw up, including having high balances on their wallets.  I recall various times in both 2017 and also in 2021 in which I accidentally ended up having large balances on hot wallets because I either forgot the balances were there or I was thinking about the balances in terms of their earlier valuations, and between 2015 and 2017, bitcoin prices went up 78x, which is a lot of change in value, so that even a few hundred dollars in 2015 ended up being 10s of thousands of dollars in 2017... and a similar thing happened in 2021 when the value went up around 16x between early 2019 and various points in time in 2021.

Thanks @JayJuanGee yes I understand that every thing about Bitcoin is not perfect. Actually I'm trying to even remember what this thread was about but I think OP's point is something people overrate about Bitcoin privacy and especially about Bitcoin anonymity.

I consider myself a normal Bitcoin user, but I did start years ago so I know how to use Electrum and until today I still use it but I know most new people use easier apps which don't have coin control etc. And that point as you said, nobody can say for sure that if they keep tracking back earlier bounce that same person owns the wallet.

Me personally I do use a lot of hot wallets like on casinos I trust, and many forum members active in gambling send each other (including me) on these hot wallets so people tracking us might actually believe we are ll the same person.

2021 and 2017 was probably the last time we had sudden big values IMO, now even at ATH if we kept it for a year our values doubled or maybe tripled but I don't think we see again $100 becomes $1000 within a few years.

Your post really reminded me about my first account I had on a hot wallet (Casino). Hundreds of Tips from DOGE especially which were just worth 1 or 2 satoshi suddenly became for me 1000 satoshi each = huge amounts in dollars!

 
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I just assumed, they do not have to share their location or even who they are. Some do, but they do not have to and if they do, then they protect themselves. You know plenty of rich people, not just Bitcoin holders, there are many rich people all around the world, why are you not attacking them? Why do people not attack them? Have you seen Elon Musk (or one of his kids) getting kidnapped for ransom? Of course not, so why would you assume for influencers.

If they have any money at all, they would figure out a way to protect themselves, either self arm themselves, or they would just hire a bodyguard if they have that much money. If someone is small enough that they can't afford neither, then they are not worthy of harming them anyways.

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I just assumed, they do not have to share their location or even who they are. Some do, but they do not have to and if they do, then they protect themselves. You know plenty of rich people, not just Bitcoin holders, there are many rich people all around the world, why are you not attacking them? Why do people not attack them? Have you seen Elon Musk (or one of his kids) getting kidnapped for ransom? Of course not, so why would you assume for influencers.

If they have any money at all, they would figure out a way to protect themselves, either self arm themselves, or they would just hire a bodyguard if they have that much money. If someone is small enough that they can't afford neither, then they are not worthy of harming them anyways.

Even if they didn't share their location but for the fact that they are public figure people could locate them since there are people who knows where these influencers live.

But they can still be safe if they do this.

Limit their exposure to crowd and don't give them any idea when they go out and also hint on their current location.

Being cautious on meet ups and don't try to meet strangers especially if they are alone and hire security if they can't avoid to go on social events like Bitcoin meet ups or other conferences.

They should also invest on home security either they hire security guards or buy lots of security device that can alert them if there's dangers coming on their way.

With this things mentioned I guess those influencers could assure that they are safe if they are aware and know what to do to protect their selves for any potential threats that they might encounter outside or even in their homes.

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If I were to be a crypto influencer, I would stick to using talking avatars to portray my message. There are a lot of videos like this, and people absolutely love them. I prioritize my safety and that of my family.
Me too, I don't want to show my face and will hide my identity because of the incidents like this. But if I'll be showing my face, I won't content any crypto related things. That's why it's best to protect our lives while doing these thing and aware of what's happening in the surroundings like all of the kidnappings because they know that a person has a crypto. And don't always be too vocal about your holdings even if someone keeps on insisting of asking you that.

How will you tend to advocate for Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies without having to content crypto-related stuff?

I don’t see how that could happen. If you are influencing a coin or brand, you’ve defined got to stand for some crypto stuff or the other and that would definitely put you out there in the for front because, it’s your influence they need. There isn’t any influencing without a persona.

It’s rather how to manage the situation or to do content in a way that people understand it to be content and not see you the way you wouldn’t want to be seen.

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June 06, 2025, 01:04:15 AM
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The issue of physical safety for BTC or cryptocurrency hodlers  has been debated many times on the forum, and following several kidnappings of crypto influencers' relatives in France (but these kidnappings obviously also occur in other countries), how can btc influencers ensure their safety and that of their loved ones?

How can they both have visibility AND ensure their safety?
I wanted to create Bitcoin Signet Rings and asked the community if they would be interested in buying Bitcoin Signet Rings or not but for me surprise, many people posted that they were afraid to wear it. I couldn't see any problem in wearing a Bitcoin ring but now I clearly see it. Lots of people, who own or try to represent their name with cryptocurrencies, are becoming victims of physical attacks in many countries. It's very bad and now I think it's better to be quiet than to talk about how many Bitcoins you own. I used to flex with my involvement in cryptocurrencies and I've often said that I own X Bitcoin to make myself appear cool among others but now I think I'll be quiet. It's very sad that we are forced to do it.

Anonymity on the Bitcoin network depends heavily on our actions, so I would not recommend relying solely on the tools that can be used in the Bitcoin protocol. Before doing anything, think about what it might lead to in the future. Do not disclose that you own Bitcoin and do not link your wallets to your identity, and then the likelihood that someone will hunt for your savings will be minimal. The same applies to fiat money, but unlike extortion with fiat money, it is much easier for an attacker to hide with the obtained Bitcoin than with fiat money, including cash.
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Anonymity on the Bitcoin network depends heavily on our actions, so I would not recommend relying solely on the tools that can be used in the Bitcoin protocol. Before doing anything, think about what it might lead to in the future. Do not disclose that you own Bitcoin and do not link your wallets to your identity, and then the likelihood that someone will hunt for your savings will be minimal. The same applies to fiat money, but unlike extortion with fiat money, it is much easier for an attacker to hide with the obtained Bitcoin than with fiat money, including cash.
I do not understand how someone can link their wallet to their identity in real life? If someone really says in public in real life (I don't mean forum where you can be anonymous)  that I own Bitcoins and this is my wallet, then this person is stupid. If you just say that you own Bitcoin, then no one will know your wallet unless that person works in an exchange that you use and has access to the all the data but majority of us here use Electrum, some of us exchange coins through decentralised exchanges.

In my country, lots of people no longer use cash and the security of online banking is really high if you want it to be. Banks also have good insurance for customers. Banks here are doing really well, two of local banks here have one of the best UI/UX designs in the world.

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