I like to get married without having children.

[Kavelj22]

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If you can marry and take good care of a divorcee or a widow with kids without complaining that's fine since you already admitted that you are an Anti natalist but don't you think if you are not going to need your own children to take good care of you when you get older? Taking good care of kids that are not yours is not a bad thing don't get me wrong but since you are financially capable to take good care of other kids don't you think you could get married, have a kid and make life beautiful for him or her while you take care of the already existing kids that are suffering according to your believe, think about it.

This is one of the worst beliefs anyone can adopt: having children as part of a retirement plan.
Who told you that the child you will raise will later agree to help you when you get elder? Who gave you the right to determine the will of a free person and thus make him a slave to your will? People who think this way are extremely selfish and use the idea of ​​procreation as a plan to serve his own interests. Humans are the only ones who think this way because nature depends on reproduction to continue the species, not to help helpless adults. Imagine any animal that reproduces by instinct, but its goal is to continue the species and spread its genes, and it is a normal pattern among all creatures.

There are no guarantees. It simply depends on the love and loyalty that you show your children while they are growing up. That's why it is a good idea to have and lovingly support a bunch of them... so that if one turns against you, the rest won't.

The idea of continuing the species with regard to human reproduction, is so far off base that it is laughable. God controls the replenishing of everything. Our children are His children at the same time.

I respect your beliefs, but I don't think God cares for everyone. There are children in Gaza dying of hunger every day. Yes, you read that right, "dying of hunger," and no one bears the consequences, especially children born in war.

One of the most false beliefs in religious societies is that God is responsible for the sustenance of all creation, so there is nothing wrong with having more children, even if we cannot take care of them.
In the past, I knew a single mother from Europe who had five children and worked as a waitress in a bar. It is impossible for her to provide well for them or take care of all their needs on her own. Moreover, the five children are from different fathers and all living in different countries, refusing to acknowledge their fatherhood. Isn't having children a crime committed by the mother and her five loved ones against those five children? Where is your God in all of this?

[BADecker]

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If you can marry and take good care of a divorcee or a widow with kids without complaining that's fine since you already admitted that you are an Anti natalist but don't you think if you are not going to need your own children to take good care of you when you get older? Taking good care of kids that are not yours is not a bad thing don't get me wrong but since you are financially capable to take good care of other kids don't you think you could get married, have a kid and make life beautiful for him or her while you take care of the already existing kids that are suffering according to your believe, think about it.

This is one of the worst beliefs anyone can adopt: having children as part of a retirement plan.
Who told you that the child you will raise will later agree to help you when you get elder? Who gave you the right to determine the will of a free person and thus make him a slave to your will? People who think this way are extremely selfish and use the idea of ​​procreation as a plan to serve his own interests. Humans are the only ones who think this way because nature depends on reproduction to continue the species, not to help helpless adults. Imagine any animal that reproduces by instinct, but its goal is to continue the species and spread its genes, and it is a normal pattern among all creatures.

There are no guarantees. It simply depends on the love and loyalty that you show your children while they are growing up. That's why it is a good idea to have and lovingly support a bunch of them... so that if one turns against you, the rest won't.

The idea of continuing the species with regard to human reproduction, is so far off base that it is laughable. God controls the replenishing of everything. Our children are His children at the same time.

I respect your beliefs, but I don't think God cares for everyone. There are children in Gaza dying of hunger every day. Yes, you read that right, "dying of hunger," and no one bears the consequences, especially children born in war.

One of the most false beliefs in religious societies is that God is responsible for the sustenance of all creation, so there is nothing wrong with having more children, even if we cannot take care of them.
In the past, I knew a single mother from Europe who had five children and worked as a waitress in a bar. It is impossible for her to provide well for them or take care of all their needs on her own. Moreover, the five children are from different fathers and all living in different countries, refusing to acknowledge their fatherhood. Isn't having children a crime committed by the mother and her five loved ones against those five children? Where is your God in all of this?

God DOES care for everyone. He did it by making a perfect universe. Mankind destroyed the perfection for themselves, but the only reason why anyone has ANY good is that God is maintaining it for them.

God absolutely is responsible for the sustenance of the whole universe. In the Lord's prayer spoken by Jesus, the 4th petition is, "Give us today our daily bread." Bread couldn't exist without the whole universe and the physics of it all that allow grains to grow, yeasts to do their job, and all of it, including all the other foods besides bread. God upholds it all.

God made the universe to be good. He says so in Genesis chapter 1. It is people who don't pick up the goodness of the universe, and use it to maintain themselves properly. However, when they die, God catches their spirits, and will give them a new body in the Resurrection. People could live a lot longer in this life if they would use the things of nature better.

So you see? God takes care of it all, even though we don't understand very well, and even though He doesn't seem to be there at some times.

If the mother from Europe had been wise, she would have made sure that she had an enforceable contract with the guys, especially after the first one. Can she help it that she is dumb? God is taking care of her. And since this whole world will be gone someday, she needs to prepare with Jesus so that she gets her new body in the Resurrection.

[Pearl_20]

Marriage is mostly for companionship, having a partner that you share same purpose with.. You not wanting to have Kids is nothing bad, but then finding a partner that will agree on those terms will be pretty hard, because even if she wants to not have kids, how about pressure from both families, we live in a society where after One from marriage and In-laws are not seeing signs of pregnancy they immediately start asking questions and what not.

Have seen couples who agreed to not having kids and they're enjoying their marriage. Reasons best known to them. Kids comes with alot of responsibility that both partners should prepare for, and also make room alot of changes. I don't think if there's any Lady out there who wouldn't want to have a child of their own, for me I think you need to just prepare your mind about marriage and all that comes with it.

[SuperBitMan]

Marriage is mostly for companionship, having a partner that you share same purpose with.. You not wanting to have Kids is nothing bad, but then finding a partner that will agree on those terms will be pretty hard, because even if she wants to not have kids, how about pressure from both families, we live in a society where after One from marriage and In-laws are not seeing signs of pregnancy they immediately start asking questions and what not.

Have seen couples who agreed to not having kids and they're enjoying their marriage. Reasons best known to them. Kids comes with alot of responsibility that both partners should prepare for, and also make room alot of changes. I don't think if there's any Lady out there who wouldn't want to have a child of their own, for me I think you need to just prepare your mind about marriage and all that comes with it.

Well pressure coming from the society for deciding not to have kids depends on the country and city you are, in my country Nigeria the pressure from the society will be too much because in Nigeria they expect a woman that gets married to give birth so making such decision in my country won't be easy, you will receive a lot of insult and criticism from people even from your own family, there was a husband and a wife that made a decision that they will never give birth because of how the pressure from the society was much they decided to give birth.

Yes you are right Pearl_20 giving birth comes with a lot of responsibility and some set of people are not ready to take up that responsibility, some people says if you are not ready to give birth then don't get married but I don't agree with that just like you said Marriage is mostly for companionship, having a partner that you share same purpose with, I think this is the main reason for marriage and not just to have children.
But I really don't know what will make some decide never to have a child of his or her own.

[AYIMAN]

It's a personal choice,but first in first,it should be an agreement between you and your wife to be.

That is to say,you need to discuss with your wife to be first and have a concrete agreement before proceeding to even marrying her.

If you make such drastic decision without the consent of your wife to be... Trust me you are on your own.

[Cryptoprincess101]

I don't like having children.

I created a topic on this sometime ago about procreation and just like i said in that thread that it is not necessary for everyone to reproduce because there are a lot of children in the world that needs attention but they are getting less or no attention and when you go to Orphanage homes you see so many children living unhealthy lives when these children can be adopted and taken care of by the society but they are left to their own fate and most of them grows up with a wrong narrative about the society, they feel isolated, dejected and rejected without parents to look up to, we should concentrate more on taking care of children and make sure they have a good understanding about the environment they find themselves instead of bringing more children to the world.

[Stablexcoin]

I like your expression, it is obvious that many people work against nature probably, knowingly or unknownly. It is a pitiable situation because i find it difficult believe that a man or a woman that was given birth by parents will decide to marry but not to bear children.
I think that the major reason for man and a woman to marry is for procreation and every other things is secondary. In my opinion, marriage is not complete if there are no children, and if no children, i think may be better to share our felings, issues with friends, it is just the same as not having a wife, there are no difference.

One thing God gave to us is ability to make choice, some that are abstract from the normal human believe. Choices won't stop, if OP chooses to go through this way of being in union then we have nothing to contribute or find a way to dissolve his decision. You do what you want for yourself, marriage is a good thing but let's not forget that so many men have been hindered deep into poverty and tied down because of family and case of paying child supports since the marriage couldn't work out.

Marrying a single mother with kids, is no good option. People who suggest this don't understand what it feels like taking part in a child life that isn't own flesh and blood, if he searches deeper there might be some ladies with the same marriage view as him, his search is a difficult one so it will take time compared to finding a partner who wants to have children.

[Apocollapse]

Marrying a single mother with kids, is no good option. People who suggest this don't understand what it feels like taking part in a child life that isn't own flesh and blood, if he searches deeper there might be some ladies with the same marriage view as him, his search is a difficult one so it will take time compared to finding a partner who wants to have children.

Depends on the men's quality.

If he's widower, not physically attractive and not financially stable, it's very hard for him to get a partner, but he has a chance to marry a single mother with kids.

If he's single, not physically attractive and not financially stable, he could get a partner.

That's why people who suggest to marry single mother with kids are mostly old people who're widowers.

[SmartCharpa]

just like i said in that thread that it is not necessary for everyone to reproduce because there are a lot of children in the world that needs attention but they are getting less or no attention and when you go to Orphanage homes you see so many children living unhealthy lives when these children can be adopted and taken care of by the society but they are left to their own fate and most of them grows up with a wrong narrative about the society, they feel isolated, dejected and rejected without parents to look up to, we should concentrate more on taking care of children and make sure they have a good understanding about the environment they find themselves instead of bringing more children to the world.

I don't think it's normal for someone who is capable of reproducing to decide to adopt a child, I've never seen that before, you have whatever it takes to have children but choose not to because many children are looking for someone to adopt and care for them, all that I've seen in my life unless the person is unable to reproduce and decides on adopting a child or they adopt when they don't want to give birth to a lot of children.

Will you care for someone else's children while you fail to have your own? Do you believe you may have the same feelings as if you were caring for your own children? There are many orphans out there looking for safety but no one to care for them. You mentioned that everyone does not need to reproduce, but would you be okay with someone you did not bring into this world achieving what you have been working for so many years? I doubt it.

[knowngunman]

Does anyone among you see any connection between these reasons and human nature and the continuity of the human race? I live in a very conservative society, and procreation is a sacred matter that is not even allowed to be discussed. Therefore, anti-natalist people like me do not appear in public and do not discuss their thoughts freely for fear of social stigma or the impact on my reputation and the reputation of my family, as I would be considered either insane or an atheist, which are all considered moral issues, not personal convictions or preferences.

I have read your initial post and some few replies under it. I noticed how a lot of people here misunderstood your post and only few understand your point. This doesn't sound strange to me because I have come across people online who share similar view as yours before and they're even ladies. Although, this is probably the first time hearing this from a man. These ladies clearly said their mind that they don't want to suffer pregnancy and childbirth talk more of raising a child. They were criticised and called all sort of names but who cares, it's online and everyone share their opinions.

However, the issue of procreation is supposed to be a personal choice just the same way couples decide on what number of children they should have. Nobody should be look down upon or lose their reputation for deciding not to have a child. Some women are naturally barren and this shows having a child is never compulsory but a choice. I hope you'll find your type soonest.

[Kavelj22]

Does anyone among you see any connection between these reasons and human nature and the continuity of the human race? I live in a very conservative society, and procreation is a sacred matter that is not even allowed to be discussed. Therefore, anti-natalist people like me do not appear in public and do not discuss their thoughts freely for fear of social stigma or the impact on my reputation and the reputation of my family, as I would be considered either insane or an atheist, which are all considered moral issues, not personal convictions or preferences.

I have read your initial post and some few replies under it. I noticed how a lot of people here misunderstood your post and only few understand your point. This doesn't sound strange to me because I have come across people online who share similar view as yours before and they're even ladies. Although, this is probably the first time hearing this from a man. These ladies clearly said their mind that they don't want to suffer pregnancy and childbirth talk more of raising a child. They were criticised and called all sort of names but who cares, it's online and everyone share their opinions.

However, the issue of procreation is supposed to be a personal choice just the same way couples decide on what number of children they should have. Nobody should be look down upon or lose their reputation for deciding not to have a child. Some women are naturally barren and this shows having a child is never compulsory but a choice. I hope you'll find your type soonest.

This is precisely the problem. Considering having children as a personal decision gives a person the power to do whatever they want without taking into account the potential consequences for them or their children.

Personally, I don't consider it a personal decision in the absolute sense, since what I call a personal decision could cause trouble and risk to a child who is not at fault except for the selfish decision I made to have them. Furthermore, it is not an individual decision, since it requires the partner's consent.
In other words, if I am committed to fulfilling my responsibilities toward that child, regardless of the circumstances, then how can I guarantee that my partner will fulfill those same responsibilities?

Reality tells us of disasters and tragedies that occur in all societies and across all social classes due to the incompetence of one or both parents to fulfill those responsibilities, and there are no mechanisms for accountability for this.