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[khaled0111]

I don't say that wagering requirement is useless, but the high requirement is. I think 10X might be reasonable enough, but not 45X.

Reasonable for what or according to whom? I think that’s the question you need to think of and try to answer.
As I explained above, casinos do not offer those bonuses so you can make a quick profit, cash it out and leave. Bonuses are part of casinos’ promotional strategies and by offering those bonuses, they aim to make profit, not give money away. You need to keep that on mind. They set those requirements to ensure that most users will spend the bonus money before fulfilling them.
btw, 25-35x is the standard wagering requirement at most casinos.

[God Of Thunder]

When it comes to bonus then it's necessary for a casinos to set some type of wagering requirement to be safe from the scammers who often create multi accounts to trick the casino systems.

Most casinos allow VPN these days because the users of casinos often use VPN's and when the casinos offer bonus withdrawal without any wagering requirements then casinos won't be able to catch such scammers and thus they will start getting bankrupt overtime.

Yep. That makes sense, as we previously discussed.
Casinos have to set some wagering requirements to save their business. However, many of us disagree with the high wagering requirements. I myself do not take the bonuses because of the high wagering requirements. A player should check the wagering requirements and bonus terms before accepting it.

Yes, since casinos allow players to use VPNs, it will be almost impossible to detect accounts without performing KYC. I appreciate that the KYC casinos started accepting VPN users. They can ask for a KYC if they doubt a player.

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[goldkingcoiner]

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Yes, since casinos allow players to use VPNs, it will be almost impossible to detect accounts without performing KYC. I appreciate that the KYC casinos started accepting VPN users. They can ask for a KYC if they doubt a player.

People really should stop using VPN's when going in online casinos.  

Casinos have to follow the laws and one of those laws is making sure that people from forbidden countries are not playing. A VPN might cause confusion
and untimely frozen accounts.

The least stressful solution is to give your KYC to the casino when you create an account and
play with a VPN all you want without worrying about having your account frozen for inspection.

Also: Not only do VPN providers not "keep your data safe", far from it. They have are known to share user data when the law requires.
And some have been hacked in the past as well.

Pro-tip: Pick a casino and stick with it.

[Shishir99]

Pro-tip: Pick a casino and stick with it.

Unfortunately, people look for better opportunities every day. People look for casinos that offer better promotional deals, generous bonuses, VIP features, and more. However, some whales prefer to stick with one or two casinos because not every casino can accommodate them. Some whales can bankrupt a casino within a couple of days. Some casinos do selective scams when they see big players making massive deposits. Sometimes sticking with one casino sounds a good decision. But as I said, people actually look for better opporunity and they want to try new casinos and new games.

[Kavelj22]

I don't say that wagering requirement is useless, but the high requirement is. I think 10X might be reasonable enough, but not 45X.

Reasonable for what or according to whom? I think that’s the question you need to think of and try to answer.

Reasonable for me and also for others who have critical thinking. 10X to 15X is already a difficult target.
It won't be reasonable for someone who used to accept rules as facts superior above critics. I am not the only one who think this way, already other users in this discussion share the same idea.

Maybe nothing can be done to ask for a minimum requirement standard between all casinos, but at least we can discuss those standards and rise awareness about how the bonus system is a trap named "bonus", and that casinos are putting poison in honey because this is an unreachable goal.

Being a commun standard between all casinos doesn't make it right.

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[BlackBaron]

I don't say that wagering requirement is useless, but the high requirement is. I think 10X might be reasonable enough, but not 45X.

Reasonable for what or according to whom? I think that’s the question you need to think of and try to answer.

Reasonable for me and also for others who have critical thinking. 10X to 15X is already a difficult target.
It won't be reasonable for someone who used to accept rules as facts superior above critics. I am not the only one who think this way, already other users in this discussion share the same idea.

Maybe nothing can be done to ask for a minimum requirement standard between all casinos, but at least we can discuss those standards and rise awareness about how the bonus system is a trap named "bonus", and that casinos are putting poison in honey because this is an unreachable goal.

Being a commun standard between all casinos doesn't make it right.

In this context, it seems to be talking about bonuses and wagering requirements that must be completed for the bonus money to become our money.

Actually, such high requirements I also find it difficult to achieve, but considering this is a bonus so the casino has the right to make such policies. On the other hand as a user, I think we also have the right to negotiate a little although the final result is still the casino who decides.

I would have much more reservations if the terms being discussed here were about our deposit money and we had to reach such a large wagering requirement. And I guess it makes sense that we would object so much.

[Finebone]

Reasonable for me and also for others who have critical thinking. 10X to 15X is already a difficult target.

I have already made peace with it that these bonuses target are set so high so that it can't be reached easily, that is why I only faces what makes me to gamble, not the bonuses that are difficult to unlock.

Maybe nothing can be done to ask for a minimum requirement standard between all casinos, but at least we can discuss those standards and rise awareness about how the bonus system is a trap named "bonus", and that casinos are putting poison in honey because this is an unreachable goal.

I just think that the earlier we accept the reality the better, it's left for you or others to try your best if you can unlucky the bonus that seems impossible or just forget about it because left for me, it's a trap to milk you as a gambler. You will see yourself losing like $100 in the process of trying to unluck a $30 bonus, don't that sounds crazy?

[Kavelj22]

I don't say that wagering requirement is useless, but the high requirement is. I think 10X might be reasonable enough, but not 45X.

Reasonable for what or according to whom? I think that’s the question you need to think of and try to answer.

Reasonable for me and also for others who have critical thinking. 10X to 15X is already a difficult target.
It won't be reasonable for someone who used to accept rules as facts superior above critics. I am not the only one who think this way, already other users in this discussion share the same idea.

Maybe nothing can be done to ask for a minimum requirement standard between all casinos, but at least we can discuss those standards and rise awareness about how the bonus system is a trap named "bonus", and that casinos are putting poison in honey because this is an unreachable goal.

Being a commun standard between all casinos doesn't make it right.

In this context, it seems to be talking about bonuses and wagering requirements that must be completed for the bonus money to become our money.

Actually, such high requirements I also find it difficult to achieve, but considering this is a bonus so the casino has the right to make such policies. On the other hand as a user, I think we also have the right to negotiate a little although the final result is still the casino who decides.

I would have much more reservations if the terms being discussed here were about our deposit money and we had to reach such a large wagering requirement. And I guess it makes sense that we would object so much.

Requiring a wagering for deposits is mandatory because to forbid users from using the casino as a mixer because without the wagering requirement, someone can deposit and withdraw without placing bets to get a new fresh coins. Users have nothing to discuss about deposit wagering requirement and we don't negotiate about it that much.

Our discussion is not to enforce casinos to make change in the bonus system because they are free to set the minimum they think good for their benefits, but to let users know this is a trap more than a bonus.

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[BlackBaron]

In this context, it seems to be talking about bonuses and wagering requirements that must be completed for the bonus money to become our money.

Actually, such high requirements I also find it difficult to achieve, but considering this is a bonus so the casino has the right to make such policies. On the other hand as a user, I think we also have the right to negotiate a little although the final result is still the casino who decides.

I would have much more reservations if the terms being discussed here were about our deposit money and we had to reach such a large wagering requirement. And I guess it makes sense that we would object so much.

Requiring a wagering for deposits is mandatory because to forbid users from using the casino as a mixer because without the wagering requirement, someone can deposit and withdraw without placing bets to get a new fresh coins. Users have nothing to discuss about deposit wagering requirement and we don't negotiate about it that much.

Our discussion is not to enforce casinos to make change in the bonus system because they are free to set the minimum they think good for their benefits, but to let users know this is a trap more than a bonus.

Yes, it means that what I said earlier is true that it is a must for kasiono to set wagering requirements for deposit money because it can prevent unwanted things, one of which is money laundering or whatever it is called.

But on the other hand, saying that a bonus with high wagering requirements or the bonus itself is a trap is not wise in my opinion. Because what will determine whether we will take the bonus or not is ourselves, I even often miss bonuses that should be obtained. And bonuses are actually a form of promotion, is promotion the same as a trap?

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That is okay bro, I am not also lucky in spin games but I enjoy them when I do. Just like in sports betting, one can bet with the minimum amount although spins are quicker than sports betting. It's all fun and luck in it and when you get bored in your sports bets, you can go to spinly and have your own spins and just casually do it. It won't require you so much money to enjoy it and just a couple of cents for every spin you'd do. While the two really differs, they're both fun and sometimes we prefer the other, and sometimes it's the spins. So, good luck to your sports betting too but spinly is always welcoming people who wants to have fun when they're tired with their sports bet.

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[Ruttoshi]

People really should stop using VPN's when going in online casinos.  

I agree with you. One thing that I've always try to avoid is putting myself in a position that I cannot withdraw from my account if I win big because I've gone against their ToS. Using VPN to bypass casinos restricted regions is not ideal because it has a lot of consequences that will make your account get frozen by the casino. You can't hide your region if you are asked for KYC.

If VPN is allowed, it's fine but if in the casino ToS, it says don't use VPN, I stick to the rules.

[Agbe]

People really should stop using VPN's when going in online casinos.  

I agree with you. One thing that I've always try to avoid is putting myself in a position that I cannot withdraw from my account if I win big because I've gone against their ToS. Using VPN to bypass casinos restricted regions is not ideal because it has a lot of consequences that will make your account get frozen by the casino. You can't hide your region if you are asked for KYC.

If VPN is allowed, it's fine but if in the casino ToS, it says don't use VPN, I stick to the rules.

There are reasons people use VPN. Foe private purpose and also bad network in the region or the area. There are some casinos that accept the use of VPN but before someone use VPN in any casino he has to know from the ToS first so he won't violate the Casino terms and conditions. Gamblers do not read the ToS because it is too long to read and they only login and start using the casino and when something happened and they are ban from the casino then they would use new account here and claim to be innocent.

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