Sera.casino Scam Their Player, Stay Away!

[Rashlyowl]

At first I saw a thread on Games and rounds where Sera.casino was running a raffle campaign. I opened their site & was amazed by the UI they have, I feel that this is a start-up that is still looking for players so there are not many logs in the betting history of the site.

Next I saw something interesting about their 100% deposit program, that's because they offer low turnover, only 2x the amount of deposit + 100% bonus. After the deposit came in, I continued my game on their original games. This is where the weirdness starts to happen, all the bets I make seem hard to win.

Maybe some of you think I'm strange, because I lost & can't accept what I experienced on the grounds that gambling is about luck. Some examples I can give from my playing experience there:

(1) Made 1.1x in Limbo, but it's like looking for 100x.
(2) Always get bomb in the second choice, with the condition that there are only 3 bombs out of 25 choice slots.

Don't believe what I experienced? you can try it yourself, but make sure you are willing to lose before trying it. To @God Of Thunder, sorry my friend I don't mean to offend you, but it would be better for you to filter your clients, or at least try playing there & make a withdrawal first.

I did all this because I don't want anyone else on this forum to feel the same way I did. It's also a warning to everyone to only play at reputable casinos.

[Trêvoid]

as you mentioned, gambling is about luck, but it’s also important to gamble responsibly and only with money you can afford to lose.

[Coyster]

This is the scam accusation section, in here you post incidents were you've been scammed by a service. I have read through your post and i cannot find any case of wrongdoing, so maybe this is the wrong section, and you don't even have a case against them to begin with, so i guess this should not even be posted anywhere.

[xLays]

I'm one of those who won the raffle they held in the games and rounds section, and I can say that I experienced the same thing as OP but in a different game, like dice and limbo.
However, I can't say that they are scamming us because I don't have any evidence that they are scamming or cheating us. It's just a feeling and this doesn't only happen on Sera.Casino, but on most online casinos.

But yes, If I remember correctly when the time I'm about to meet the 2x wagering requirement for the prize I started losing my bets even it was 1.2x multiplier.

[Zwei]

@Rashlyowl i get that you are just trying to warn people based on your experience with the casino.
but this is the scam accusations board, so you can't just go and accuse them of rigging their games without any supporting evidence.

I'm one of those who won the raffle they held in the games and rounds section, and I can say that I experienced the same thing as OP but in a different game, like dice and limbo.
However, I can't say that they are scamming us because I don't have any evidence that they are scamming or cheating us. It's just a feeling and this doesn't only happen on Sera.Casino, but on most online casinos.

But yes, If I remember correctly when the time I'm about to meet the 2x wagering requirement for the prize I started losing my bets even it was 1.2x multiplier.

i see they have an option to input your own client seed.



i don't have an account (and won't make one just to check), but can you see if you can change it?
if you can also check if they provide server seed info as well? if their original games are provably fair, it should be easy to verify if they are cheating players or not.

[Rashlyowl]

as you mentioned, gambling is about luck, but it’s also important to gamble responsibly and only with money you can afford to lose.

Everyone knows that, but this time the case is different, come on, don't make replies like bots.

This is the scam accusation section, in here you post incidents were you've been scammed by a service. I have read through your post and i cannot find any case of wrongdoing, so maybe this is the wrong section, and you don't even have a case against them to begin with, so i guess this should not even be posted anywhere.

I experienced it firsthand, that's why I'm reminding everyone about this, the goal is to raise awareness about the sneaky way of playing one of the casinos I'm referring to. Previously I also asked about a suitable place to post this on Beginners & Help, you can see it here.

I feel sad that my efforts are considered unworthy, I just want to limit their room to move, imagine in the future they make a multiplier contest for their original game like Limbo, they can rob a lot of money from there.

Want to prove it yourself? create an account, activate 100% deposit bonus, then gimme your Litecoin deposit address, I think $5 is enough to prove it. I want you to try Limbo or Mines.

I'm one of those who won the raffle they held in the games and rounds section, and I can say that I experienced the same thing as OP but in a different game, like dice and limbo.

I also play their Dice, making it 90 so my chances of winning are high, but the results that often come out are 91 - 100. It doesn't make sense, it's not like I play Dice at Stake where almost every round I hear a voice that my bet won when I made the biggest winning chance.

but this is the scam accusations board, so you can't just go and accuse them of rigging their games without any supporting evidence.

Create an account, activate 100% deposit bonus, send me your Litecoin deposit address, I will do deposit $5, you will get the proof immediately.

i don't have an account (and won't make one just to check), but can you see if you can change it?

Sorry I didn't read it fully that apparently you don't want to create an account there. I've seen what you said, but it won't change no matter how many times I try, always shows the same code.

Code:

b2e88e200aeba48b9abf870cd663ad98

So what does that mean?

As a note to everyone, I didn't come here just to be accused of being a false accuser, it's safer if I keep quiet & let the new players there get scammed, but that's not me, I won't be willing to see other people also get scammed. 2 things to pay attention to:

(1) 100% deposit bonus with 2x turnover, this doesn't make sense, where as reputable casinos I've seen it should be 20x - 40x.
(2) There are only 2 game options, original games & futures. You won't see slots, live casino or sportsbook there.

[God Of Thunder]

Hi there!

Usually, campaign managers aren't bold with their statements when speaking against the brand they are promoting. I have handled the Raffle thread only. To be honest, my personal experience with my contact wasn't too good. I offered to run a raffle thread. I sent them a demo before I posted the thread, and they approved it.

Later, once the raffle ended, I sent them the usernames of the winners to credit the winnings; only then did they come up with a statement that the bonuses came with a wagering requirement, even though I explained that we had to mention it. At first, they wanted to credit the bonus with a 5x wagering requirement; later, they made it 2x, which I had to accept.

I always like to try the product that I am going to promote. I made two deposits to check the platform. I can say that I had a similar experience as OP and xLays. But I won't say this is a scam until someone can prove it. You may say, "This is unprofessional from me", but this is my personal experience.

[Rashlyowl]

Hi there!

Usually, campaign managers aren't bold with their statements when speaking against the brand they are promoting. I have handled the Raffle thread only. To be honest, my personal experience with my contact wasn't too good. I offered to run a raffle thread. I sent them a demo before I posted the thread, and they approved it.

Later, once the raffle ended, I sent them the usernames of the winners to credit the winnings; only then did they come up with a statement that the bonuses came with a wagering requirement, even though I explained that we had to mention it. At first, they wanted to credit the bonus with a 5x wagering requirement; later, they made it 2x, which I had to accept.

I always like to try the product that I am going to promote. I made two deposits to check the platform. I can say that I had a similar experience as OP and xLays. But I won't say this is a scam until someone can prove it. You may say, "This is unprofessional from me", but this is my personal experience.

I love how you responded to this, it's honestly a sign of professionalism. As I said before, no offense meant to you, I just want you to be more careful, imagine there are other people out there who try their platform & lose their money in such a silly way, that's really sad. Okay if we can't consider them a scam yet, but the process there is the proof, that's why I offered some user to create an account & try it directly.

It's not about winning and losing, you all can see that I tried other platforms too & had a bit of disappointment with the results, but I'm not making accusations right?

If there are no more responses by today, I might close this thread, at least I warned people & no one is playing there anymore, that's more than enough for me.

[Coyster]

Want to prove it yourself? create an account, activate 100% deposit bonus, then gimme your Litecoin deposit address, I think $5 is enough to prove it. I want you to try Limbo or Mines.

That would not be necessary. Don't get me wrong, i am not supporting this casino, how could i, i have never played there and i wouldn't, what i was trying to say is that it might be harsh to post this about them in the Scam Accusation section, since there is no evidence of scam yet.

That said, two other users have buttressed your point, so i think you have a case and it would be good to leave the thread open, so other users can also post about their experience and then the issue could be escalated. I can't find their ANN thread, so i'll take it that they don't have one, but i see they have a representative, maybe a PM to him with a link to this thread would be nice.

[robelneo]

That said, two other users have buttressed your point, so i think you have a case and it would be good to leave the thread open, so other users can also post about their experience and then the issue could be escalated. I can't find their ANN thread, so i'll take it that they don't have one, but i see they have a representative, maybe a PM to him with a link to this thread would be nice.

I support this, you invited people to join and try their platform to prove your point, in case you are right or wrong on your assumption, where will they post it, since the thread is already closed so we will have another thread about this topic.
This cannot yet be considered a scam. The title is incorrect, unless the average is high enough to warrant consideration, so lets see.

[panjul07]

Offering 100% deposit up to $10k with 2x wagering requirement only is already a red flag IMO, how come a casino offer such a generous bonus while most other casinos come with at least 30-50x wagering requirement for similar offer.
I just tried to explore the casino a bit by creating a throwaway account, checked their original games and I have no idea about their provably fairness system as it is different from other casinos.
I'm not an expert about provably fair system but I feel something weird with their provably fair system, hopefully someone who know about this thing will come here later to check about the fairness of the games in this casino.

[Rashlyowl]

Offering 100% deposit up to $10k with 2x wagering requirement only is already a red flag IMO, how come a casino offer such a generous bonus while most other casinos come with at least 30-50x wagering requirement for similar offer.

That's it. I see this forum as a community, we discuss together & give inputs to those gambling platforms. For that reason I created this thread, I don't want others to be the next victim. Only gamblers understand, anyone who doesn't understand gambling, better never type anything in this thread.

[Zwei]

i don't have an account (and won't make one just to check), but can you see if you can change it?

... I've seen what you said, but it won't change no matter how many times I try, always shows the same code.

Code:

b2e88e200aeba48b9abf870cd663ad98

So what does that mean?

if you can't change the client seed, it means the games are not provably fair, so they could pretty much rig the outcome of every bet.
and even if you can change the client seed, if they don't provide a server seed (which they don't) to verify your bets, there is no way to prove they are rigged.

so the second best way to verify is to make lots of bets on 50% chance to win, if the game is not rigged, your wins and losses should be close to 50%.
if it's rigged, you will see a big difference them, and lo and behold, that is the case.

this is dice from sera.casino (667 bets):



i know the sample size is small, but this literally took me +30 minutes since the website is slow as hell, and the place bet button just stoped working else i would got more.
and in comparison, here is dice from another reputable casino with verifiable provably fair games (also 667 bets):



it's not 100% proof, but it's enough for me to know they are definitely rigging the odds.
they are trying to make it less obv by letting you win some bets, lose some bets, then lose a lot more, and repeat.
and i think this is exactly what others in this thread have experienced.

(1) 100% deposit bonus with 2x turnover, this doesn't make sense, where as reputable casinos I've seen it should be 20x - 40x.

that's a huge red flag, a 2x turnover is as good as a donation, makes absolutely no sense, unless it's just bait knowing you won't be able to win since the games/odds are rigged.

I'm not an expert about provably fair system but I feel something weird with their provably fair system, hopefully someone who know about this thing will come here later to check about the fairness of the games in this casino.

they don't have one to begin with.

[panjul07]

-snip-

It does make senses why they offer deposit bonus with 2x wagering requirement only, because no players will be able to win due to the rigged game.
If they are honest casino, they will not offer such a good to be true offer because 2x wagering requirement can be achieved easily even in game with higher house edge.
This is also a lesson for anyone in this forum who want to get a job by managing a contest or campaign from a casino, at least to do deeper check about the casino first before making a deal to do something for them in this forum.

[Zwei]

-snip-

It does make senses why they offer deposit bonus with 2x wagering requirement only, because no players will be able to win due to the rigged game.
If they are honest casino, they will not offer such a good to be true offer because 2x wagering requirement can be achieved easily even in game with higher house edge.

exactly, there is no other logical explanation other than this.

i looked into this "casino" a bit more, and it seems like it's just a half assed script they either bought or pirated from somewhere, that's explain why they have so much broken stuff.
they don't have a gambling license, they are not even a registered company, and they are using gmail for emails, lol.



they posted this just today on their telegram chaneel, and as you can see, they are shamelessly lying about having provably fair games with 0% house edge.

@Rashlyowl did the right thing by posting this and warning everyone, he just lacked evidence. but based on what i seen so far and the so many red flags, they are 100% a scam.

This is also a lesson for anyone in this forum who want to get a job by managing a contest or campaign from a casino, at least to do deeper check about the casino first before making a deal to do something for them in this forum.

i agree, and you don't even need to dig that deep, just basic stuff would do, things like:

do they have a license?
are they a registered company?
do they offer provably fair games?
do they offer crazy unrealistic bonuses?
do they work with trusted third party providers that do proper due diligence?
how long have they been around?
do they have industry standard terms of service?
how good are thier online reviews?
do they have a reasonable amount of funds in their hot wallets?
and so on...

[shasan]

First of all I could not understand what has been scammed and how it has been scammed. Also at the same time i could not understand why the scam accusation and how it is stand for. The site might be not too good or they mught not be well established that doesnt mean it is scam.

[khaled0111]

if you can't change the client seed, it means the games are not provably fair, so they could pretty much rig the outcome of every bet.
and even if you can change the client seed, if they don't provide a server seed (which they don't) to verify your bets, there is no way to prove they are rigged.

I took a look at their original games which they claim are provably fair. There is no information on how their provably fair system works and they don’t even seem to have a verification tool. So, how could anyone verify the fairness of the results be it on the website itself or by using an independent third-party tool!

You can change the client seed (if we admit that what they show is indeed a client seed) but this doesn’t mean anything if we don’t know how this code is going to be used in determining the outcome of the bet.

I know this is not enough to accuse them of scamming, but it’s certainly a huge red flag.

[Zwei]

The site might be not too good or they mught not be well established that doesnt mean it is scam.

it is a scam if the odds are rigged, if the front end shows you have a 50% chance to win your bet, but in the back end the real odds are less than 50%, if that's not a scam, i don't know what is.

I took a look at their original games which they claim are provably fair. There is no information on how their provably fair system works and they don’t even seem to have a verification tool. So, how could anyone verify the fairness of the results be it on the website itself or by using an independent third-party tool!

You can change the client seed (if we admit that what they show is indeed a client seed) but this doesn’t mean anything if we don’t know how this code is going to be used in determining the outcome of the bet.

the question is, why do they claim to have provably fair games when the provable part doesn't exist? unless the goal is just to give a false sense of fairness to cover up the rigged odds.
if it was just one person, i would have brushed it off as unlucky, but now with 4 people, including myself having the same experience, it's hard to say it's something else. i mean, if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably a duck.

I know this is not enough to accuse them of scamming, but it’s certainly a huge red flag.

at this point, the red flags speaks for themselves.

red flag 1: lying about having provably fair games.
red flag 2: lying about having 0% house edge.
red flag 3: offering 100% deposite bonus with only 2x wager.
red flag 4: odds looks to be rigged.
red flag 5: no gambling license.

i would love to be proven wrong. they are aware of the forum, so if anything i have said here is false, it should not be too hard for them prove it.

[shasan]

I took a look at their original games which they claim are provably fair. There is no information on how their provably fair system works and they don’t even seem to have a verification tool. So, how could anyone verify the fairness of the results be it on the website itself or by using an independent third-party tool!

You can change the client seed (if we admit that what they show is indeed a client seed) but this doesn’t mean anything if we don’t know how this code is going to be used in determining the outcome of the bet.

I know this is not enough to accuse them of scamming, but it’s certainly a huge red flag.

You are right that they have a huge red flag, and based on those red flags, I think they are undoubtedly a scam, whether they have scammed or will scam. But there is no chance to be a fair gambling site as they have several features regarding license, as well as being provably fair. I think undoubtedly they are a scam.

[bitbollo]

Thanks for sharing your story.
If you cannot change the seed you're going to get ripped off. Someone has been able even to claim that "seed inside the browser" and some crazy bla bla but no this not how it works a provably fair system.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5539344.msg65306715#msg65306715
Pay attention, even reputable sites that "claim" to have a provably fair system doens't have or doesn't highlight to players.
However, have you tried to reach the casino and ask details on how it works their system and maybe the missed something?

BTW I think that 100% bonus deposit (without limits on odds or games or a cap on amount to be win) and just a x2 wager ... it's a crazy bonus that has no sense...too good to be true