Imminent war between Israel and Iran

[mikeywith]

I don't think you have a brain inside your head.

He is a hypocrite. He claims to want peace, but deep down, he is comfortable with seeing Palestinian children die every day, and instead of confronting this reality, they hides behind platitudes like "I want peace for everyone." But in truth, he doesn't want peace for Palestinians. he wants them gone. Worse still, he views other races as less than human, a mindset rooted in a colonial mentality he can't seem to shake.

He talks about peace as if it existed before October 7th, as if the Gaza Strip wasn't already a massive prison where people have been starving and suffering for years. He mentions the 1,300 dead in Israel, but conveniently ignores the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who have died over the years. He doesn't discuss the countless peace talks and agreements that Israel has broken, or the continued expansion of settlements in the West Bank, an area with no Hamas presence. He doesn't acknowledge the reports from every Israeli human rights organization confirming that Israel has been killing and detaining innocent Palestinians. All he focuses on is "Hamas" and "October 7th."

There is no possibility of having a meaningful conversation with someone who is either too ignorant or too evil, even worse, someone who is both.

[BADecker]

I don't think you have a brain inside your head.

He is a hypocrite. He claims to want peace, but deep down, he is comfortable with seeing Palestinian children die every day, and instead of confronting this reality, they hides behind platitudes like "I want peace for everyone." But in truth, he doesn't want peace for Palestinians. he wants them gone. Worse still, he views other races as less than human, a mindset rooted in a colonial mentality he can't seem to shake.

He talks about peace as if it existed before October 7th, as if the Gaza Strip wasn't already a massive prison where people have been starving and suffering for years. He mentions the 1,300 dead in Israel, but conveniently ignores the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who have died over the years. He doesn't discuss the countless peace talks and agreements that Israel has broken, or the continued expansion of settlements in the West Bank, an area with no Hamas presence. He doesn't acknowledge the reports from every Israeli human rights organization confirming that Israel has been killing and detaining innocent Palestinians. All he focuses on is "Hamas" and "October 7th."

There is no possibility of having a meaningful conversation with someone who is either too ignorant or too evil, even worse, someone who is both.

But the whole Gaza thing is a setup... probably to get the oil under the whole region. Prior to 1948, prior to Israel being there, it was a prosperous Arab Islamic area.

Same with the war with Iran. They want to stop Iran nukes, they say. But Iran didn't steal the plans and methods for building nukes all by themselves. They were helped (given the plans) by Americans and Israelis. They could never have developed the plans all by themselves.

It's a setup for war, and the people who would prosper are the same people who are promoting war all over the world... the globalists... the one-world government.

[philipma1957]

I side with neither side but I can tell you people have been killing each other in the name of God Allah Yahweh for thousands of years and will continue to do so long after we are gone.

You are only half right.

One side (the multi-national Zionist colonizers) is killing the indigenous population of Palestine in the name of whatever they worship because they think they are the superior race (similar to what fascists thought in the Nazi regime) and need to cleanse the earth from the 7 billion Amalek (means inferior creatures).

The other size (Palestinians with various religions or none at all) is simply defending their homes against a foreign invader because their choices are either complete annihilation or resistance. That has nothing to do with religion, just like eg. the French defended their homes against the Nazi invades back in WW2.

let’s play the idea that israel wipes everyout and makes the place 100% israel .

Then they'll move to the next phase of their plan, to wipe out Jordan, Lebanon and Egypt and call that "Greater Esra'eel". Then move to the next phase and next phase until world domination. As I said they believe 7 billion people (who are not born Zionists, ie of the "pure" bloodline) have to cleansed to "purify" earth!

never saw this written or spoken on media of any kind.

well being a usa guy I normally hear and view that muslims want to wipe out jews.

myself a religious man that no longer practices in the catholic church .

but i say prayers every night.

I rather no group  killing any other group in the name of Allah , God or Yahweh , Hindu gods too long to list

Yet we seem to do it over and over again and again.

those four religions cover maybe six billion of us none of them preach endless killing and we still seem to kill and kill and kill.


BTW when north america was conquered christians look to convert or purify the country of Indians.

These histories of violence seem to be all over the world.

As I age out of life at 68 I am closer to the end of the line I see the violence goes on and on. Rich people use people for cannon fodder one way or another it is sad.

[pooya87]

An that believe of yours is exactly why Israel is going to avoid Iran getting nukes. It is very obvious that Israel will do anything needed to stop a regime that calls for the destruction of Israel nearly every day obtain the weapons that would actually allow them to do so.

The whole world is now demanding the destruction of the Zionist regime that has been carrying out a genocide for 2 years in front of all our eyes.
Iran doesn't need to use nukes to wipe out the insignificant terrorist organization you call Israel.

Again, you come here to brag - even where is clear that Israel was able to infiltrate agents all over Iran and used local drones to destroy a number of radars and sites before sending the airforce to do the rest of the job.

It's trivial to hire terrorists inside *any* country to carry out FPV attacks against mostly civilians infrastructure. They are incapable of doing any meaningful damage to the military including the air-defense which is evident from the fact that Iran has already shot at least 3 US made F-35 bombers which is the first in the world.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5546737.0

well being a usa guy I normally hear and view that muslims want to wipe out jews.

Yeah, they needed to invade Muslim countries like Iraq and others so they needed to first spread hatred for Muslims (CIA's Islamophobia project) to justify such attacks. This is one of the reasons why they created al-Qaeda and called them "radical Islam" and also the reason why CIA used al-Qaeda to attack New York back in 2001.
This is while al-Qaeda and similar groups like ISIS don't even follow Islam, they are followers of Wahhabism and Salafism (to put simply the Saudis) and are referred to as Takfiri by Muslims and are actually the enemy of Muslims!

Otherwise Jews have been living among Muslims for centuries. For example right now Jews live in Iran freely and they have a fixed seat in the Parliament.

What's even more interesting is that Jews are against Israel. They don't consider "Zionism" to have anything to do with Judaism. Also from an ideological standpoint the Jews don't believe they are allowed to establish government (or a Jewish State) until the savior comes.
This is your New York City:

[franky1]

while those that support nuclear annihilation of nations.. they easily poke their selves in the eye to create crocodile tears and sound like victims shouting how many "residents" are targetted when their supported side gets hit

meanwhile what they are not admitting is how the leaders and scientists with missions to create nukes, got taken out in their homes using precision missiles that just strike the intended apartment of said leader/scientist. thus reducing the collateral damage of innocent neighbouring residents


the innocent citizen population(residents) were and are not the targets. the leaders and scientists of nuclear regimes were the target, and the collateral damage of residents was minimised

yet iran striking back at isreal see the iranian regime take out entire buildings..

the same with gaza, isreals target is hamas.. something which certain people dont want to even mention the name 'hamas'. instead they foolishly scream "palestinians".. yet the  reality is its a isreal vs hamas battle in gaza, where palestinians are the collateral damage. but where the collateral damage is maximised because hamas hide and use innocents as human shields
isreal try to minimise it by sending warnings that an area is becoming a target zone to give innocent people a chance to move.. but hamas demand innocents to stay put, using religious rhetoric to defend their homes. aka become cannon fodder to shield hamas

so the logic is simple
remove hamas from gaza and then palestinians can sign the abreham accords with isreal and start a peaceful era for the region
take out irans nuclear capabilities take out the troublesome leaders, get the innocent population more involved in governing a peaceful country that doesnt want to fund proxy wars. and then get them to sign peace treaties like the abreham accords and rejoin the NPT

[Agbamoni]

An that believe of yours is exactly why Israel is going to avoid Iran getting nukes. It is very obvious that Israel will do anything needed to stop a regime that calls for the destruction of Israel nearly every day obtain the weapons that would actually allow them to do so.

The whole world is now demanding the destruction of the Zionist regime that has been carrying out a genocide for 2 years in front of all our eyes.
Iran doesn't need to use nukes to wipe out the insignificant terrorist organization you call Israel.

By Zionist regime you mean all Israelis or just a few committing the bombing and evil acts? The Zioniest regime is often used by the neighboring countries that dont accept the legitimate States of Israel. But in reality the term is referred to the government and the people of Israel. So when you say the world prays for them to be destroyed, it basically means the destruction of Israel including everyone in it.

As a Christian I have always read the bible, it gave a positive impression on Israelites, but now I wonder if it is the same Israelites I read from the bible or just another type of people with privilege's. They kill innocents people in Gaza, Palestine and now Iran yet they claim they are the victims on social media.

[covfefe_]

It's not just US, most of the European powers now believe on Israel's cause.

French Foreign Minister claimed Iran's nuclear program is an existential threat to Israel and Europe.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/french-fm-says-irans-nuclear-program-is-an-existential-threat-to-israel-and-the-region-urges-diplomatic-solution/
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2025/06/15/iran-nuclear-program-is-a-threat-for-israel-and-europe-says-french-foreign-minister-

UK is moving Fighter Jets to Middle east to defend Israel, Chancellor claims UK military could potentially be used to defend.
https://news.sky.com/story/uk-military-could-potentially-be-used-to-defend-israel-chancellor-tells-sky-news-13383945
https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/britains-finance-minister-signals-possible-support-israel-iran-conflict-2025-06-15/

[cryptotact11]

It's curious that people on this forum think Iran has the right to develop their own nuclear weapons without consequences, at same time they think it's wrong that USA and its allies try to suppress this threat, considering western countries are going to be the main targets of Iran and its sympathizers, in case they succeed growing stronger.

It would be a stupid move from western countries to let their self-declared enemies continue accumulating more military power just to be annihilated in the end. And hypothetically, in case that happened, these same people who are blaming and morally disapproving USA and Israel right now, would just say: "they deserved it all the time".

This is not democratic nor peaceful, the 2 things the countries you list talk about the most. You can't control the whole world, and trying to do so will only result in severe consequences in the long term. Unfortunately, most people are no longer capable of thinking long term..

Does Iran want democracy? Does Iran want peace? Look the internal policies of this country, how the society is ruled, organized and managed by the authorities, the treatment women and children receive and how the punishment system works.

It does not matter what Iran wants. If you want democracy and peace, then you don't interfere in someone else's affairs unless they invite you to do it. If a country is a dictatorship and wants to stay a dictatorship, that is their decision to make.

It's not about controlling the whole world. It's about not allowing the ones who nourish hate for you and your way of life to gather enough resources and power to destroy you in the future.

That is the literal definition of control.  

[pooya87]

Never forget that we are fighting child killers in a war they began.

By Zionist regime you mean all Israelis or just a few committing the bombing and evil acts?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5520512.0

[franky1]

Never forget that we are fighting child killers in a war they began.

pooya forgets that iran and its proxies started on oct 7th, not to target a political building or military site.. but to attack a music festival where MANY women were raped and then killed and mutilated and so were kids

what pooya forgets also is the collateral damage of iran proxy's neighbours is because irans proxies hide within residential area's to use the victims as shields
he cant accept the terror and trama the iranian proxies cause.. he just idolises them

but look what happens when their money dries up. pooya no longer talks about yemen  now that houthis are not funded by iran
soon he wont talk about palestinians when hamas get defunded

he doesnt care about innocent yemeni people. nor palestinians. he just cries that isreal still struck iran proxies even when they hid amungst innocent victims.. so he plays it out that it was the innocent victims were the target.. because he does not want to admit many of his iran proxy idols are getting hit and removed from existance.. (many leaders of iran, hamas and houthi rebel groups)

By Zionist regime you mean all Israelis or just a few committing the bombing and evil acts?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5520512.0

pooyas linked his own self post which then contained a link to a video.. the guy in the video says the word "genocide" several times, saying he witnessed "genocide"
yet then debunks himself, by admitting on route to gaza it looked peaceful and picturesque
when entering gaza he didnt see any fighting or air strikes
all he saw were refugee camps and a coalition cleaning up debris to prepare to rebuild the area

as for saying the starvation is the so called genocide..
there is enough food to last until autumn. but its being hoarded by hamas
there were many opportunities for refugees to be housed by their ancestral lands. but palestinians didnt move because hamas scared them into not leaving.

if anyone is starving the palestinians and not providing shelter and not rebuilding gaza.. its hamas

[uneng]

It's curious that people on this forum think Iran has the right to develop their own nuclear weapons without consequences, at same time they think it's wrong that USA and its allies try to suppress this threat, considering western countries are going to be the main targets of Iran and its sympathizers, in case they succeed growing stronger.

It would be a stupid move from western countries to let their self-declared enemies continue accumulating more military power just to be annihilated in the end. And hypothetically, in case that happened, these same people who are blaming and morally disapproving USA and Israel right now, would just say: "they deserved it all the time".

This is not democratic nor peaceful, the 2 things the countries you list talk about the most. You can't control the whole world, and trying to do so will only result in severe consequences in the long term. Unfortunately, most people are no longer capable of thinking long term..

Does Iran want democracy? Does Iran want peace? Look the internal policies of this country, how the society is ruled, organized and managed by the authorities, the treatment women and children receive and how the punishment system works.

It does not matter what Iran wants. If you want democracy and peace, then you don't interfere in someone else's affairs unless they invite you to do it. If a country is a dictatorship and wants to stay a dictatorship, that is their decision to make.

It's not about controlling the whole world. It's about not allowing the ones who nourish hate for you and your way of life to gather enough resources and power to destroy you in the future.

That is the literal definition of control.  

See? That is why there is a war going on, because all the other measures, tools and possibilities of ceasing the conflict have failed. I'm humble enough to consider the possibility I could be mistaken or deluded regards the benevolence of each characters involved on this story, but from what I observe in reality, Iran wants to destroy Israel and western lifestyle, it's not a secret for anyone. If Israel was the initial aggressor, Iran would be already nuked a long time ago, and then the consequences would have been really devastating for civilians.

"Doesn't matter what Iran wants", as if they could act as they wished and the other side didn't have the right to react. The fact Iran is a perverse dictatorship where 9 years old female children are forced to marry grown up men, while women are subjugated during their whole lives doesn't matter too, I suppose...

The first step to revert the current situation would be to eliminate the feeling of envy in the hearts of the men. That is the root of the conflicts on the region. Since the biblical times this story is told through the events involving Abraham, who had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac. The first with his wife's servant, Hagar, and the second with his wife, Sarah.

God blessed both lineages, but Ishmael's lineage allowed the feeling of envy grow stronger, obfuscating their judge and vision against their brothers. You don't have to take it literally, but in some stance, it gives an interesting clue on what is going on.

[pooya87]

The fact Iran is a perverse dictatorship where 9 years old female children are forced to marry grown up men, while women are subjugated during their whole lives doesn't matter too, I suppose...

How far from reality understanding of some people is regarding Iran is so bad that I don't know whether to laugh at it or be sad that there are people who believe anything they are fed by the propagandists

[WatChe]

God works in mysterious ways indeed...

EDIT: Another US made "stealth" F-35 was shot down and the pilot is arrested too. The official count seems to be only 3 but some reliable sources are counting up to 12 having been shot down...

This reminds us of India Pakistan conflict in which Pakistan Air force successfully shot down French Rafale's aircraft using Chinese PL-15 missiles, Reuters confirmed that news. For the first time Chinese technology dominated the Western technology that is used by India and US has to interfere for ceasefire.

We have to understand that when Israel launches a missile towards Iran then only resistance it has to face is from Iran Air defence system. But that's not the case with missile launched by Iran, the Iranian missiles faces a multilayered wall of global military power. First it's US troops in Iraq followed by French Rafale's in UAE try to intercept. KSA allowing use of its airspace. The U.S. Navy, with carriers and destroyers in the Persian Gulf, joins in. If missile passes through all this, it then has to battle Jordan's air force. Finally comes the Israel's Arrow 3, Arrow 2  and David's Sling follows. Iron Dome is also there to intercept the missile closer to the ground.

Despite all these challenges Iran domestically made missiles have managed to hit Israeli air bases, oil refinery and military installations. That's another blow to Western technology. 

[ruykeri]

If we can look back what happened with Palestine then everything will be clear to everyone. Now come to the point Hamas was created by America and Israel. Hamas has no connection with Gaza or the Palestinian state.

Current President Mahmoud Abbas considers Hamas nothing more than a mad dog. The Palestinian movement is called the PLO - Palestine Liberation Organization.Yasser Arafat was the leader of Palestine and his leadership was correct.
And Hamas sits in Qatar, meets with America and Israel, and receives weapons and money to buy weapons.With those weapons, Hamas launched small attacks on Israel, creating the issue of Israel attacking Gaza.The Iran of today will be the Gaza of tomorrow.
It was a harder task to wipe out Hamas and take over Gaza like Bin Laden than to devour Iran, which Israel has already done.


In today's world, idiots are ruling over countries like Iran, which are full of greed. Because they are not producing intelligent people, they are not even allowing the intelligent people who are produced by themselves to speak.
They will not create their nation as liberals in the future.

Iran's future Gaza  I said it again.

[Kavelj22]

If we can look back what happened with Palestine then everything will be clear to everyone. Now come to the point Hamas was created by America and Israel. Hamas has no connection with Gaza or the Palestinian state.

Current President Mahmoud Abbas considers Hamas nothing more than a mad dog. The Palestinian movement is called the PLO - Palestine Liberation Organization.Yasser Arafat was the leader of Palestine and his leadership was correct.
And Hamas sits in Qatar, meets with America and Israel, and receives weapons and money to buy weapons.With those weapons, Hamas launched small attacks on Israel, creating the issue of Israel attacking Gaza.

In fact, the majority refuses to engage with these visions and summarizes the resistance movement as Hamas only, completely rejecting anyone who questions its intentions and practices. Hamas is an armed militia that receives support from forces with settlement projects, whether from Iran, in pursuit of the Persian project, or from Turkey and Qatar, in implementation of the Zionist agenda. I come from an Arab country, and I assure you of Hamas's great popularity in Arab societies, which absolutely hate Israel, considering it the sole symbol of resistance. This is not true, as there are other resistance movements, and Hamas's practices are not much different from those of ISIS and Al-Qaeda (just ask the people of Gaza, who are ruled by Hamas). Its fundamentalist ideology seeks to attain and remain in power, not to resist Israel, as they claim.

I say this frankly: Hamas and the October 7 movement are the ones who caused the complete destruction of the Gaza Strip (it is no longer livable), placed the issue of forced displacement back on the table, then moved on to eliminate Hezbollah leaders and weaken its military capabilities, then neutralized Syria from the conflict against Iran, thereby cutting off all supply lines to and from Iran. Consequently, Iran became weak, which prompted it to sit at the negotiating table with the United States and announce its willingness to halt its nuclear program in exchange for lifting sanctions. After confirming Iran's weakness, boom, let's hit it hard.

In today's world, idiots are ruling over countries like Iran, which are full of greed. Because they are not producing intelligent people, they are not even allowing the intelligent people who are produced by themselves to speak.
They will not create their nation as liberals in the future.

Iran's future Gaza  I said it again.

Not exactly. Iran is a great country with a regular army and significant military and economic capabilities that enable it to confront its enemy, no matter how large. This is if we are talking about a confrontation between Israel and Iran only. However, if Israel's allies join the war, Iran will not be able to confront them alone, and I do not think that Iran's traditional allies will accept entering into a long-term war of attrition. Israel cannot confront Iran alone, and I believe it has obtained guarantees of loyalty from its allies in America and Europe.

[pooya87]

Iran's future Gaza  I said it again.

Israel is being bombed back to stone age right now ...

[franky1]

If we can look back what happened with Palestine then everything will be clear to everyone. Now come to the point Hamas was created by America and Israel. Hamas has no connection with Gaza or the Palestinian state.

hamas is irans puppet.. but you are right hamas is nothing like peaceful palestinians.. hamas is like the iranians that want gencoide

palestinians are waking up and seeing its hamas that are the local threat

[noormcs5]

The fact Iran is a perverse dictatorship where 9 years old female children are forced to marry grown up men, while women are subjugated during their whole lives doesn't matter too, I suppose...

How far from reality understanding of some people is regarding Iran is so bad that I don't know whether to laugh at it or be sad that there are people who believe anything they are fed by the propagandists

You will either hear such statements from the enemies of Iran or from those who have no concern in this battle but just hear the news on social media and develop their point of view.

However, no matter how strongly Iran retaliates against the Israeli attack, if there is no stoppage of war, Iran will run short on weapons, and they do not possess weapons to fight continuously for more than two or three weeks. I guess Israel knows this and also the markets of the world and that may be one reason why markets are pumping as they believe that this conflict will either be ended in a talk or at most it can continue for a couple of more weeks.

[pooya87]

You will either hear such statements from the enemies of Iran or from those who have no concern in this battle but just hear the news on social media and develop their point of view.

Well most people who say weird things like that are simply repeating the lies they've been hearing a million times in mainstream media. I don't blame them though, I blame the mouthpieces who have told them these crazy things!

However, no matter how strongly Iran retaliates against the Israeli attack, if there is no stoppage of war, Iran will run short on weapons, and they do not possess weapons to fight continuously for more than two or three weeks.

I guess we'll see. But evidence shows Iran has millions of missiles and drones and is capable of keeping up a heavy bombardment for years without even running out of what was built so far.

What you may not know is that for the past 30 years, Iran has been preparing for an invasion by the entire NATO. Specially after they invaded Iraq (west of Iran) and Afghanistan (east of Iran) and built many bases in Arab dictatorships on the south shores of the Persian Gulf (south of Iran) and basically surrounded Iran with half a million forces 20 years ago.

Iran has been building a MASSIVE arsenal to be able to crush such an act of aggression easily. Which is why Iran has been only using very old missiles and at small scale while hitting Israel. Possibly expecting a direct face off with NATO (as opposed to the current face off where NATO hides behind Israel) quite soon.

I guess Israel knows this and also the markets of the world and that may be one reason why markets are pumping as they believe that this conflict will either be ended in a talk or at most it can continue for a couple of more weeks.

They are definitely delusional enough to hope for it but the only market that matters is the oil market and it has pumped showing this conflict has a serious effect on it even though it still hasn't reached the sea where the oil rich Arab dictators are.

[BADecker]

The US is more or less placing the Ukraine war on hold. They are moving to fight Iran. Why? Because the thing that Iran has done has already increased Russia's price of crude by at last 8%. The Russian sanctions are falling apart because of Iran. And we can't have that now can we.