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Hey everyone,
I've been diving deep into the world of DeFi lately and can't help but wonder — are we witnessing the future of finance here, or is it just another tech bubble waiting to burst?
On one hand, decentralized platforms are offering unprecedented transparency, security, and control over assets. They’re shaking up traditional finance and giving power back to the users. But on the other hand, there are concerns about scalability, regulatory risks, and sometimes just plain hype driving crazy price swings.
What do you all think? Are projects like these the real deal for long-term financial freedom, or is this just a fad driven by speculation and fear of missing out?
Would love to hear your thoughts, experiences, and predictions for DeFi’s future!
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Hey everyone,
I've been diving deep into the world of DeFi lately and can't help but wonder — are we witnessing the future of finance here, or is it just another tech bubble waiting to burst?
On one hand, decentralized platforms are offering unprecedented transparency, security, and control over assets. They’re shaking up traditional finance and giving power back to the users. But on the other hand, there are concerns about scalability, regulatory risks, and sometimes just plain hype driving crazy price swings.
What do you all think? Are projects like these the real deal for long-term financial freedom, or is this just a fad driven by speculation and fear of missing out?
Would love to hear your thoughts, experiences, and predictions for DeFi’s future!
It IS the future. But not in the way the original founders envisioned it. "De-Fi" will turn centralized in the long run, due to "Wall Street's" involvement in it. By "Wall Street", I mean institutional firms such as BlackRock, Fidelity, VanEck, Strategy, etc. Regulators have taken a grasp of the "De-Fi" industry too, contributing towards less privacy and freedom for users over time. Since most people only care about making money, "De-Fi" will continue its path towards centralization without facing any obstacles. It should be renamed to "CeDeFi" (which stands for Centralized/Decentralized Finance), due to the fact that major platforms will get the "best of both worlds". A hybrid solution, to say the least. Truly-decentralized finance is scarce these days, and will continue to be for the forseeable future. At least, people have a choice. As long as there's one truly-decentralized "De-Fi" project in existence, we should have nothing to worry about.
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If stablecoin become a really big thing with hundred trillions dollar of market cap and there are large adoption of stablecoin pushed by governments, for sure defi will be a big thing.
It basically depends on how the adoption gonna happen to crypto, if adoption didn't increase, so does the adoption of defi to replace the tradfi. But I can see defi becoming the future of finance, no more middle man that takes big chunk of value for nothing.
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If stablecoin become a really big thing with hundred trillions dollar of market cap and there are large adoption of stablecoin pushed by governments, for sure defi will be a big thing.
It basically depends on how the adoption gonna happen to crypto, if adoption didn't increase, so does the adoption of defi to replace the tradfi. But I can see defi becoming the future of finance, no more middle man that takes big chunk of value for nothing.
Well, most popular stablecoins are centralized. How would "De-Fi" stay decentralized this way? It would be more like "CeDeFi" (Centralized + Decentralized Finance) to me. Regulators have already won, bringing the single points of failure from traditional banking right into "De-Fi". Truly-decentralized "De-Fi" projects (if any) are scarce these days. I'd say the future of "De-Fi" is dark. But I know many will disagree with me. To each their own. At least, Bitcoin is getting "De-Fi" features (via sidechains and L2). Therefore, not all hope is lost...
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Well, most popular stablecoins are centralized. How would "De-Fi" stay decentralized this way? It would be more like "CeDeFi" (Centralized + Decentralized Finance) to me. Regulators have already won, bringing the single points of failure from traditional banking right into "De-Fi". Truly-decentralized "De-Fi" projects (if any) are scarce these days.
I'd say the future of "De-Fi" is dark. But I know many will disagree with me. To each their own. At least, Bitcoin is getting "De-Fi" features (via sidechains and L2). Therefore, not all hope is lost...
I think with DeFi it's more of the platform allowing financial activity without centralized entity intervention, although stablecoin is centralized but the dex won't freeze a tx because it's supposedly to be permissionless protocol. So I think they're still defi despite using stablecoin as a trading pair for perps platform or still provide stablecoin swapping for dex in general. On the other hand, the DeFi platform can always provide route for decentralized coin swapping to another decentralized swapping without stablecoin at all.
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As far as I know, Defi has lost some stream since their initial wave of hype in the 2020, when coins/tokens like Uniswap experimented a huge surge in value and even there were people giving attention to Sushi swap and other DEFI platforms, since then people move their money to other fads, like NFTs and now Artificial intelligence projects.
I believe there is indeed a future for Defi, but that future unfortunately will only have a place on the internet of major decentralized Finances platforms decided to cooperate with regulators and law enforcement agencies. Defi will not be as decentralized as we once ambitioned, as they will be forced to blacklist wallets and addresses, also provide information to the IRS in the United States and also filter coins and liquidity providers who are suspected of money laundering.
There is potential, though, specially for those who do not have access to transparent banking services in developing countries.
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As far as I know, Defi has lost some stream since their initial wave of hype in the 2020, when coins/tokens like Uniswap experimented a huge surge in value and even there were people giving attention to Sushi swap and other DEFI platforms, since then people move their money to other fads, like NFTs and now Artificial intelligence projects.
Defi is far from losing its steam, TVL is still huge, hyperliquid is part of defi and it's getting massive vault deposits and volume. Platform like pendle is literally having billions being supplied to the various YT/PT pair LP and it's not showing sign of weakness. Uniswap is just one part of the defi ecosystem, uniswap on its own already has so many competition anyway and you can already swap across various chains with the likes of relay or layerzero. Now defis are more focused on stablecoin and RWA by securing billions of TVL in their platform.
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As far as I know, Defi has lost some stream since their initial wave of hype in the 2020, when coins/tokens like Uniswap experimented a huge surge in value and even there were people giving attention to Sushi swap and other DEFI platforms, since then people move their money to other fads, like NFTs and now Artificial intelligence projects.
Defi is far from losing its steam, TVL is still huge, hyperliquid is part of defi and it's getting massive vault deposits and volume. Platform like pendle is literally having billions being supplied to the various YT/PT pair LP and it's not showing sign of weakness. Uniswap is just one part of the defi ecosystem, uniswap on its own already has so many competition anyway and you can already swap across various chains with the likes of relay or layerzero. Now defis are more focused on stablecoin and RWA by securing billions of TVL in their platform. Sure, but in order to keep such amunta of Total Locked Value the Defi platform needs to keep a constant volume in their most popular pairs, people deposit their money on those platforms because of the sake of generating income, after all, and that income comes from the volume of swaps. Last time I checked, volume of Uniswap could not still rivalize with the most important centralized exchanges. Anyways, I still pretty skeptical on Defi remaining as decentralized as it is supposed to be with regulators around and seeking to enforce all kind of barriers to both centralized and decentralized services.
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I think with DeFi it's more of the platform allowing financial activity without centralized entity intervention, although stablecoin is centralized but the dex won't freeze a tx because it's supposedly to be permissionless protocol. So I think they're still defi despite using stablecoin as a trading pair for perps platform or still provide stablecoin swapping for dex in general.
On the other hand, the DeFi platform can always provide route for decentralized coin swapping to another decentralized swapping without stablecoin at all.
The DEX won't censor trades linked to stablecoins. But what use would that be if the stablecoin issuer itself can put you on a "blacklist"? Technically, you'd be excluded from participating in "De-Fi". For truly-decentralized finance, everything needs to be decentralized (starting from the tokens, all the way down to the core protocol). The problem is that most decentralized stablecoins aren't reliable as their centralized counterparts. Either they're algorithmic or collaterized by other cryptocurrencies. With no regulatory entity behind their operations, it would be the "wild west". Especially when there won't be investor protections or guarantees of any kind. That's the biggest downside of using decentralized stablecoins on "De-Fi". The ideal solution would be a hybrid one ("CeDeFi"). But this will come at a cost of reduced privacy and freedom. I know many people will choose this route, since they prefer convenience above all else. Therefore, making true "De-Fi" rise in mainstream adoption would be nothing more than a pipe dream. Only time will tell...
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The DEX won't censor trades linked to stablecoins.
They already are censoring certain jurisdictions, so why wouldn't they if such laws come to place? Sure the DEX isn't censored on chain it is only the website, but very few people could use a DEX like Uniswap without the website. But what use would that be if the stablecoin issuer itself can put you on a "blacklist"?
They can and they already do this. They just can't know your addresses in advance, but as soon as they know an address is yours they will freeze it. The problem is that most decentralized stablecoins aren't reliable as their centralized counterparts. Either they're algorithmic or collaterized by other cryptocurrencies.
Algorithmic stablecoins are garbage.
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They already are censoring certain jurisdictions, so why wouldn't they if such laws come to place? Sure the DEX isn't censored on chain it is only the website, but very few people could use a DEX like Uniswap without the website.
One learns something new everyday, honestly. I did not know that was possible. I assumed one needed to use the Uniswap interface as a the only way to interact with their smarth contracts, but now you mention it, it makes sense someone with enough knowledge on Ethereum code language could send a transaction directly to those smarth contracts and using the appropiate code in order for them to swap whatever coins they desire to. Though, if Uniswap gets too rough with restrictions to some regions or wallets, what stops other developers to distribute tools to avoid those restrictions?
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They already are censoring certain jurisdictions, so why wouldn't they if such laws come to place? Sure the DEX isn't censored on chain it is only the website, but very few people could use a DEX like Uniswap without the website.
I'm disappointed to see so-called DEXs imposing geographical restrictions on users. Crypto is supposed to be permission-less and censorship-resistant. But limiting people of certain countries from accessing a DEX or "De-Fi" platform, would greatly defeat crypto's original purpose. Developers are afraid regulators will go after them if they allow anyone to gain access to their platform. If that's the case, why make their identities public? Now you see why Satoshi was anonymous from the beginning. Otherwise, it would've been easy to regulate and enforce the rule of law on Bitcoin. Like I've mentioned before, "De-Fi's" future will be a dark one. It will turn into a hybrid model, combining the speed, efficiency, and compliance of centralized finance, with the security and reliability of decentralized finance. Truly-decentralized financial platforms will only get scarcer in the long run. At least, we have a choice. Better something than nothing, right?
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Hey everyone,
I've been diving deep into the world of DeFi lately and can't help but wonder — are we witnessing the future of finance here, or is it just another tech bubble waiting to burst?
On one hand, decentralized platforms are offering unprecedented transparency, security, and control over assets. They’re shaking up traditional finance and giving power back to the users. But on the other hand, there are concerns about scalability, regulatory risks, and sometimes just plain hype driving crazy price swings.
What do you all think? Are projects like these the real deal for long-term financial freedom, or is this just a fad driven by speculation and fear of missing out?
Would love to hear your thoughts, experiences, and predictions for DeFi’s future!
DeFi is what makes web3 develop more, it's the future IMO. The only problem here is that too many scams out there but if you choose what's the best and the chain to stay in, you'll experience the true meaning of crypto. It's not about the hype, I've been using DeFi for years now and its really game-changing since it's more of a user-controlled platform, no 3rd party and no traditional ways. More advanced and more efficient.
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If you look into deffi very closely you will see the potential in that development, but the market actors have become so dubious lately and they have turned the whole scene into a field of scams and hype's that deliver nothing to follower's who have invested on those projects, so for me we have to give it time to see how far deffi have become in providing scalable alternative to the entire cryptocurrency space.
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DeFi is what makes web3 develop more, it's the future IMO.
The only problem here is that too many scams out there but if you choose what's the best and the chain to stay in, you'll experience the true meaning of crypto. It's not about the hype, I've been using DeFi for years now and its really game-changing since it's more of a user-controlled platform, no 3rd party and no traditional ways. More advanced and more efficient.
"De-Fi's" only a "game-changer" if it stays true to its decentralized roots. But we all know most "De-Fi" platforms are centralized, so the experience would be no different than traditional finance. Is that the future Satoshi wanted? I doubt it. But to each their own. I'm afraid it's too late to help improve things for the better. Regulators and "Wall Street" have their hands tied on crypto. It's their game now. Even Ethereum is compromised. It holds the #1 spot in TVL across "De-Fi" protocols. I wouldn't expect this to change anytime soon. With centralized stablecoins dominating the market, what more could we expect?
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They already are censoring certain jurisdictions, so why wouldn't they if such laws come to place? Sure the DEX isn't censored on chain it is only the website, but very few people could use a DEX like Uniswap without the website.
One learns something new everyday, honestly. I did not know that was possible. I assumed one needed to use the Uniswap interface as a the only way to interact with their smarth contracts, but now you mention it, it makes sense someone with enough knowledge on Ethereum code language could send a transaction directly to those smarth contracts and using the appropiate code in order for them to swap whatever coins they desire to. Glad you learned something! You just need to think about it yourself and you will get there. If you needed also the website to interact with the smart contract, how is it any way decentralized? Just because something runs on the blockchian that does not make it decentralized. In the case of a DEX, you at the very least must be able to craft manual transactions for interacting with the smart contract. If not, then it is not decentralized. Though, if Uniswap gets too rough with restrictions to some regions or wallets, what stops other developers to distribute tools to avoid those restrictions?
Legally it may cause problems if you share it from your identity, but anonymously you could do it. There is no money to be gained from sharing these tools for free and very few people would use or need it. I'm a bit disappointed in the lack of tools in ETH, but they don't care so much about decentralization. I'm disappointed to see so-called DEXs imposing geographical restrictions on users. Crypto is supposed to be permission-less and censorship-resistant. But limiting people of certain countries from accessing a DEX or "De-Fi" platform, would greatly defeat crypto's original purpose. Developers are afraid regulators will go after them if they allow anyone to gain access to their platform. If that's the case, why make their identities public? Now you see why Satoshi was anonymous from the beginning. Otherwise, it would've been easy to regulate and enforce the rule of law on Bitcoin.
It is not so simple. Even if you do it anonymously, it has to be hosted somewhere. You could lose the domain and access to the hosting service provider. So they have means to shut it down or at least to make it very hard for you to operate if they want to.
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It is not so simple. Even if you do it anonymously, it has to be hosted somewhere. You could lose the domain and access to the hosting service provider. So they have means to shut it down or at least to make it very hard for you to operate if they want to.
True. But what about decentralized CDNs and domain name protocols? "De-Fi" developers can host the front-end interface for their platform on a decentralized CDN such as IPFS or Arweave for complete peace of mind. Domain names would be issued by protocols such as ENS or Unstoppable Domains to help ensure censorship-resistance. There's really no excuse to avoid making truly-decentralized "De-Fi" apps. But I understand that most people seek convenience, so I wouldn't expect things to improve anytime soon. Existing "De-Fi" platforms will integrate KYC/AML, while retaining the security/reliability and cost-effectiveness of Blockchain technology. It's like combining the "best of both worlds". Regulations can either stimulate the growth of the "De-Fi" industry or hinder it altogether. We'll see what happens in the long run.
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I'm disappointed to see so-called DEXs imposing geographical restrictions on users. Crypto is supposed to be permission-less and censorship-resistant. But limiting people of certain countries from accessing a DEX or "De-Fi" platform, would greatly defeat crypto's original purpose. Developers are afraid regulators will go after them if they allow anyone to gain access to their platform. If that's the case, why make their identities public? Now you see why Satoshi was anonymous from the beginning. Otherwise, it would've been easy to regulate and enforce the rule of law on Bitcoin.
It is not so simple. Even if you do it anonymously, it has to be hosted somewhere. You could lose the domain and access to the hosting service provider. So they have means to shut it down or at least to make it very hard for you to operate if they want to. Isn't the contract code supposedly can be interacted directly without even the need of UI? The fact that the contract code lives on a blockchain means even if you don't have access to the UI or even if UI shut down you can still access it. As long as there's liquidity of course but there's exception if the contract code gives ownership to the dev and have halt function.
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"De-Fi's" only a "game-changer" if it stays true to its decentralized roots. But we all know most "De-Fi" platforms are centralized, so the experience would be no different than traditional finance. Is that the future Satoshi wanted? I doubt it. But to each their own.
De-Fi is a staple innovation in crypto. It was only the problem of the projects under it like if they are centralized, or can be a problem to some of us because there might still be some that wouldn't care at all. What is only important for them is they can earn and make use of what it has to offer. As what is said earlier, De-Fi is just another innovation and BTC is also different despite being decentralized too. Satoshi won't care at all what happens to it but even the BTC itself is also being used differently by some people. Oh well, at least they still contribute. I'm afraid it's too late to help improve things for the better. Regulators and "Wall Street" have their hands tied on crypto. It's their game now. Even Ethereum is compromised. It holds the #1 spot in TVL across "De-Fi" protocols. I wouldn't expect this to change anytime soon. With centralized stablecoins dominating the market, what more could we expect?
I would say that things are only starting to change, so it is not yet too late to stop them. I agree though when you say "it was their game now" . It was like they are late bloomers but isn't it great? Because they are once a hater of crypto/BTC. ETH on the other hand, is said to be centralized even before, so nothing is comprised.
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"De-Fi's" only a "game-changer" if it stays true to its decentralized roots. But we all know most "De-Fi" platforms are centralized, so the experience would be no different than traditional finance. Is that the future Satoshi wanted? I doubt it. But to each their own.
De-Fi is a staple innovation in crypto. It was only the problem of the projects under it like if they are centralized, or can be a problem to some of us because there might still be some that wouldn't care at all. What is only important for them is they can earn and make use of what it has to offer. As what is said earlier, De-Fi is just another innovation and BTC is also different despite being decentralized too. Satoshi won't care at all what happens to it but even the BTC itself is also being used differently by some people. Oh well, at least they still contribute. I'm afraid it's too late to help improve things for the better. Regulators and "Wall Street" have their hands tied on crypto. It's their game now. Even Ethereum is compromised. It holds the #1 spot in TVL across "De-Fi" protocols. I wouldn't expect this to change anytime soon. With centralized stablecoins dominating the market, what more could we expect?
I would say that things are only starting to change, so it is not yet too late to stop them. I agree though when you say "it was their game now" . It was like they are late bloomers but isn't it great? Because they are once a hater of crypto/BTC. ETH on the other hand, is said to be centralized even before, so nothing is comprised. DeFi’s direction depends on how much users value true decentralization over convenience. It's true many platforms now lean centralized, but the core idea isn’t lost—it just needs more builders and users who care about it. Regulation may shape the space, but innovation hasn’t stopped. It’s not too late.
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