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July 07, 2025, 12:45:02 PM
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Total abstinence is the best method because when you totally leaves a thing that thing has no power over you again because the more you expose yourself to a thing the more that thing eats deep into you
Cold turkey is good and if one can sustain it, shows their willpower is strong and these people will recover faster than the ones who relapse into playing again.

It is difficult to keep the temptation of making money easily as the false hope and greed tend to bring us back to the cycle of loss and chasing the loss. We are all slaves to these habits and hence it is difficult but can be overcome with determination.

Getting addicted and then the deaddicted is a tough process indeed but it can be done and people have recovered from gambling addiction.

 
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July 07, 2025, 12:50:31 PM
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Cold turkey is good and if one can sustain it, shows their willpower is strong and these people will recover faster than the ones who relapse into playing again.

It is difficult to keep the temptation of making money easily as the false hope and greed tend to bring us back to the cycle of loss and chasing the loss. We are all slaves to these habits and hence it is difficult but can be overcome with determination.

Getting addicted and then the deaddicted is a tough process indeed but it can be done and people have recovered from gambling addiction.
I am against any kind of absolute restrictions. If you like something, first and foremost you need to learn how to coexist with it, not try to cut it out of your life. Later, things can get much worse when you fail to hold back and lose control. I am not only talking about gambling now, but also about other habits of ours that can sometimes lead to addiction. If you like something, learn from the start to control it and keep it within reasonable limits. This is much more effective than restricting yourself and then breaking down.

 
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July 07, 2025, 01:08:54 PM
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Avoiding it isn't the main problem the real deal is dealing with your State of mind, there are many people that got rid of triggers and other things that would make them gamble but their mindset still made them succumb to the temptation. The perfect solution to this is by keeping your mind busy with enough activities that are lucrative, it would be better if you make money form those activities you are doing
Some one once said the biggest demon you ever have to conquer is your mind. If you are able  to take full control of your mind such that you are able to firmly choose what you want to do at a time and what you do not want to do at that time. The temptation to gamble some times can be very strong even when you have decided not to, even when you try to keep your mind busy,  it take some time for you to not allow your mind get distracted by supposed opportunities you see on the casino platform.

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July 07, 2025, 01:14:32 PM
 #144

Avoiding it isn't the main problem the real deal is dealing with your State of mind, there are many people that got rid of triggers and other things that would make them gamble but their mindset still made them succumb to the temptation. The perfect solution to this is by keeping your mind busy with enough activities that are lucrative, it would be better if you make money form those activities you are doing
Some one once said the biggest demon you ever have to conquer is your mind. If you are able  to take full control of your mind such that you are able to firmly choose what you want to do at a time and what you do not want to do at that time. The temptation to gamble some times can be very strong even when you have decided not to, even when you try to keep your mind busy,  it take some time for you to not allow your mind get distracted by supposed opportunities you see on the casino platform.

Our mindset goes a long way in achieving what we want, because it will always make us go through the same approach it conceived, then we begin to act upon it before we realized.

Also, addiction can be well tackled and be more conveniently perfectly if the gambler is well disciplined enough and with the mindset for renewal of mind, because this is about being convinced and not being persuaded on  doing something, the change has to come from withing.

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July 07, 2025, 01:24:21 PM
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Avoiding it isn't the main problem the real deal is dealing with your State of mind, there are many people that got rid of triggers and other things that would make them gamble but their mindset still made them succumb to the temptation. The perfect solution to this is by keeping your mind busy with enough activities that are lucrative, it would be better if you make money form those activities you are doing
Some one once said the biggest demon you ever have to conquer is your mind. If you are able  to take full control of your mind such that you are able to firmly choose what you want to do at a time and what you do not want to do at that time. The temptation to gamble some times can be very strong even when you have decided not to, even when you try to keep your mind busy,  it take some time for you to not allow your mind get distracted by supposed opportunities you see on the casino platform.

You are right about that because quite a lot of gamblers are trapped in false dreams, hoping to gain big profits from the gambling they do and become rich. They are consumed by their own thoughts which actually make them fall into a never-ending gambling cycle, and continue to experience losses.

And actually they know that the gambling they do only ends in a loss, they know that the chances of winning in gambling are very small, but because the losses they experience are already too big, they hold an empty hope that in the next gamble, the losses they experience can be replaced.

Gambling is only about a loss and the rest is about a pleasure, if we can't control the gambling activities we do, it would be better if we leave it.

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July 07, 2025, 01:40:28 PM
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Avoiding it isn't the main problem the real deal is dealing with your State of mind, there are many people that got rid of triggers and other things that would make them gamble but their mindset still made them succumb to the temptation. The perfect solution to this is by keeping your mind busy with enough activities that are lucrative, it would be better if you make money form those activities you are doing
Some one once said the biggest demon you ever have to conquer is your mind. If you are able  to take full control of your mind such that you are able to firmly choose what you want to do at a time and what you do not want to do at that time. The temptation to gamble some times can be very strong even when you have decided not to, even when you try to keep your mind busy,  it take some time for you to not allow your mind get distracted by supposed opportunities you see on the casino platform.

You said it right. Controlling your mind is the most significant form of control. Those who can control their minds do not make mistakes in decision-making. However, those who cannot control their minds often make mistakes in decision-making repeatedly. If you make a mistake in making a decision, there are numerous instances of past financial losses.

However, I think it is better not to be right all the time. Sometimes, if you make a mistake in making a decision, your mind breaks a little, and the pain of losing money gnaws at you. Although it can be described as a kind of balance, decisions cannot be made in this manner. It is complicated to hold yourself tightly, but those who have been able to do this difficult work and maintain themselves tightly are relatively safe, while those who could not keep themselves tightly are suffering from disappointment and loss.

The main thing here is that those who have been patient and have continuously moved forward, step by step, are in a good position and will remain so in the future.

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July 07, 2025, 04:21:00 PM
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Is it harder to control gambling or limit it without falling into excess than to stop gambling forever?
This is the good initiative when a person wants to completely stay away from gambling. A common reason is that they may not be able to control themselves. They know that if they somehow get into gambling again, they can end up in big losses again. That is why taking precautions beforehand will be a good decision for them. If a gambler can stay away themselves from gambling, it should be easier for them to exercise self-control. It is entirely depend on gambler's personal view what they feel is best.

This is usually the feeling a gambler gets when they disregard the rules and lose excessively. But if they had been able to manage their gambling in a controlled manner from the beginning, there would have been no need to take such a decision.

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July 07, 2025, 04:42:01 PM
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Is it harder to control gambling or limit it without falling into excess than to stop gambling forever?
This is the good initiative when a person wants to completely stay away from gambling. A common reason is that they may not be able to control themselves. They know that if they somehow get into gambling again, they can end up in big losses again. That is why taking precautions beforehand will be a good decision for them. If a gambler can stay away themselves from gambling, it should be easier for them to exercise self-control. It is entirely depend on gambler's personal view what they feel is best.

This is usually the feeling a gambler gets when they disregard the rules and lose excessively. But if they had been able to manage their gambling in a controlled manner from the beginning, there would have been no need to take such a decision.
I think addicted players just periodically have a desire to play more or place higher bets to feel the game and strong emotions under adrenaline. Of course, somewhere in their heads they understand that it is necessary to control themselves and act according to the rules of bankroll management, but that click that happens at some point spoils everything. Probably some wild boredom and routine makes them do this, maybe a boring life in which it is incredibly boring to live. I think these reasons are the most common problems for these players.

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August 06, 2025, 03:00:33 PM
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I am against any kind of absolute restrictions. If you like something, first and foremost you need to learn how to coexist with it, not try to cut it out of your life.
Different opinion, but whatever works for one should be the one they adopt.

The disadvantage of not cutting down completely what I feel is that the chance of relapsing back into addiction is very close. Because discipline is something that is lacking largely among most gamblers.

From time to time they will get the urge to gamble again. Slow cutting down might be a good option at that time. Often moving away from the scene and going to a different place, engaging with stuff other than the regular can break the habits.

 
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Quitting gambling doesn't really have to be brutal and competitive,your initial unwillingness to restrain from gambling can eventually cause you to lose interest in gambling generally.For once I was thinking that everything starts with the mind and so does actions aligns with the right forces.Perhaps, gambling restrictions doesn't happen in one day it also requires discipline.

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There are a lot of unknown variables here. If we are talking about casino gambling addiction, then of course the most "effective strategy" is absolute abstinence. On the other hand, if a person gets great pleasure from casino gambling and if control is possible for him. Then what is the point of such an "effective strategy"? Absolute abstinence is a good tool in the case when the consequences of your addiction are so catastrophic that any game is very expensive for you. But in the case of sports betting, the situation is a little different. Let's start with the fact that long-term income is possible in sports betting. The probability of this is small, but it is possible. And you first need to soberly assess the person's ability to become a successful player. If this is absolutely impossible, then absolute abstinence should be recommended.

 
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August 13, 2025, 05:27:38 AM
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Quitting gambling doesn't really have to be brutal and competitive,your initial unwillingness to restrain from gambling can eventually cause you to lose interest in gambling generally.For once I was thinking that everything starts with the mind and so does actions aligns with the right forces.Perhaps, gambling restrictions doesn't happen in one day it also requires discipline.
I don't completely understand what you mean by initial unwillingness to restrain from gambling can eventually cause one to lose interest in gambling generally, how does or will this happen? Because as a matter of fact, when gamblers are unwilling to restrain their self from gambling, that's a typical sign of addiction is the gambler is not already addicted, and as such, it's almost practically impossible for the such a person to ever lose interest in gambling so long as he or she has become hooked..

Well, maybe he or she can actually lose interest but that does not mean he or she will be able to stop or quit gambling without following a due process which gambling addicts are required to go through to free themselves from the addiction.
A healthy gambler is the one who can restrain their self from gambling at will without any form of hindrances or help from any thing or any one, and such persons can lose interest and also quit gambling at any time they so please and easily.

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August 13, 2025, 09:09:38 AM
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In my experience, willpower and purposeful efforts of will, unfortunately, do not help to get rid of gambling addiction.

Gambling addiction is a very insidious disease (psychological or even mental). However, there is a way out! To get rid of gambling addiction, you need to succumb to another gambling addiction and gradually replace one addiction with another. In this case, this second addiction will be much weaker than the first. And the player has every chance to completely overcome it.🃏

And this path, in my opinion, is much more promising than attempts to completely give up gambling. For example, now I gamble, but I am not obsessed with gambling addiction. Moreover, most likely, I have received a certain immunity from it. And this is very good! I can play for my own pleasure and not be afraid that I will become addicted to gambling.

This is my personal experience. All people are different, so I do not exclude that other people may have everything differently. However, this is how it was for me.

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Why is the effective strategy not moderation but absolute abstinence?

Therefore, each gambler must independently come to this difficult decision that gambling is a difficult path to restore lost money and rather easier to give up this with an uncontrollable addiction and earn money at a regular job.
If we follow the logic you described, then the gambler is trying to quit gambling, which means something has happened to him: problems or a big loss, and therefore there is no need to have false hopes for self-control if it has been broken.

 
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There are a lot of unknown variables here. If we are talking about casino gambling addiction, then of course the most "effective strategy" is absolute abstinence. On the other hand, if a person gets great pleasure from casino gambling and if control is possible for him. Then what is the point of such an "effective strategy"?...
Yeah, but here’s the thing — most people ,,think,, they can control it, whether it’s casino spins or sports bets, but 90% of the time that “control” vanishes the moment they’re down and chasing losses. Absolute abstinence sounds boring, but it’s like cold storage for your gambling urges — foolproof if you’ve got zero self-control.
Casino addiction? That’s pure negative EV. You can’t “beat” the math, so the only real winning move is not to play. Sports betting is a different beast — at least there’s an argument for edge if you actually study, track stats, and stick to bankroll rules. Problem is, most “future betting pros” just convince themselves they’ve got an edge while bleeding slowly over months.

So yeah, if you’ve genuinely got skill, discipline, and a track record of profit, go ahead and play the long game in sports betting. But if you’re just saying “I got a feeling about this one” every weekend — might as well call it what it is: gambling for entertainment, not income. In that case, abstinence or tiny stakes are your only ,,effective strategy,,.
 This is my opinion, which may not align with the majority view.

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August 13, 2025, 12:54:23 PM
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In my experience, willpower and purposeful efforts of will, unfortunately, do not help to get rid of gambling addiction.

Gambling addiction is a very insidious disease (psychological or even mental). However, there is a way out! To get rid of gambling addiction, you need to succumb to another gambling addiction and gradually replace one addiction with another. In this case, this second addiction will be much weaker than the first. And the player has every chance to completely overcome it.🃏

And this path, in my opinion, is much more promising than attempts to completely give up gambling. For example, now I gamble, but I am not obsessed with gambling addiction. Moreover, most likely, I have received a certain immunity from it. And this is very good! I can play for my own pleasure and not be afraid that I will become addicted to gambling.

This is my personal experience. All people are different, so I do not exclude that other people may have everything differently. However, this is how it was for me.

I believe that if a gambler is looking for excitement in gambling, then he can really replace one with another, for example, a casino with online games, because they have a lot of adrenaline and excitement and this can well replace games for money, which can become big problems in the future due to loans or lying to relatives.
But if a gambler sees gambling as a way to earn money, then he is unlikely to agree to change them to regular computer games.

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August 13, 2025, 02:04:21 PM
 #157

I believe that if a gambler is looking for excitement in gambling, then he can really replace one with another, for example, a casino with online games, because they have a lot of adrenaline and excitement and this can well replace games for money, which can become big problems in the future due to loans or lying to relatives.
But if a gambler sees gambling as a way to earn money, then he is unlikely to agree to change them to regular computer games.
You can replace it with computer games, but you make it seem like it is easy and will always work. This is not the case. In most situations this will not work without hard effort on the side of the user who is really not motivated to do this. There is a reason why people play using money and not sit around all day playing practice games or free credit, even when they don't plan on earning money. The thrill is simply not the same.
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August 13, 2025, 02:19:00 PM
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Is it harder to control gambling or limit it without falling into excess than to stop gambling forever?
Both are really not easy when you have already become an addict but still controlling it is more more easier than quitting it forever. To quit gambling takes a while lot of time and just a little small mistake can alter everything and take you back to gambling in my opinion. That's why my advice is always to avoid getting addicted by every means possible, discipline yourself that way it will be easier to control your gambling habit and not get addicted.

Why is the effective strategy not moderation but absolute abstinence?
Absolute abstinence is more effective for people struggling with gambling because when you gamble even with moderation you can easily lose control leading you to chase after your loses and resulting in more financial loss which will eventually lead to addiction.

 
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August 14, 2025, 05:22:10 PM
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Quitting gambling doesn't really have to be brutal and competitive,your initial unwillingness to restrain from gambling can eventually cause you to lose interest in gambling generally.For once I was thinking that everything starts with the mind and so does actions aligns with the right forces.Perhaps, gambling restrictions doesn't happen in one day it also requires discipline.

Willpower ain't everything. In fact, both abstinence & moderation can be effective, but it truly depends on your vibes & conditions. I have observed a number of times that when people who want to become abstinent gamble fewer days at a time, but they do not necessarily spend significantly less or feel like they have completely won. And there is no way moderation could be a bad play, & it also depends on minimizing the intake and minimizing the losses. On one side, where hardcore quitting might work for some folks, moderation combined with smartness and well planned form could be baller for others. It really depends on what your brain & life could pick up.

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August 14, 2025, 06:28:17 PM
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Avoiding it isn't the main problem the real deal is dealing with your State of mind, there are many people that got rid of triggers and other things that would make them gamble but their mindset still made them succumb to the temptation. The perfect solution to this is by keeping your mind busy with enough activities that are lucrative, it would be better if you make money form those activities you are doing
Some one once said the biggest demon you ever have to conquer is your mind. If you are able  to take full control of your mind such that you are able to firmly choose what you want to do at a time and what you do not want to do at that time. The temptation to gamble some times can be very strong even when you have decided not to, even when you try to keep your mind busy,  it take some time for you to not allow your mind get distracted by supposed opportunities you see on the casino platform.
When a gambler is in the state that he can no longer stay for a week without being distracted to gamble, it means that he is very close to addiction or addicted. If not why will you always think of gambling all the time. I was once addicted and I know how this feels. Taking a break and act as if you haven't gamble before can be helpful.

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