XYES STEAL $1811.75

[daniebanker]

I already wrote a review in Trustpilot. It's so curious that every review is negative. They don't have a single positive review.

If anyone knows any other forum where i can advise other players, let me know please.

Trustpilot is known for a lot of inaccurate reviews because it’s being used to attack or shill the casino so it can fake reviews both ways.

Why not move your case to the license provider or CG/AG to have a proper investigation on your case since Xyes is active on replying to your scam accusation.

Where should i do?
Could you provide a link?
btw, XYes is not active replying my scam accusations.

[daniebanker]

Another day with XYes scamming. Don't register there. Stay away. Scammers. Thieves.

[Rating Place]

Another day with XYes scamming. Don't register there. Stay away. Scammers. Thieves.

They are running a big scam. No one can win sports gambling. I was flagged at 1xbet but paid. XYes much worse than 1xbet by far.

[daniebanker]

I will contact a lawyer and see what actions can i take against this casino. This will not end like this.

[nutildah]

Honestly I'm in complete disagreement with how XYes is handling these situations. A "value betting arbitrageur" was not really a term before they came up with it, I guess to describe someone who is value betting and arbing at the same time. Regardless of whether or not the accusations are true, they should have paid out your winnings before limiting or banning your account.

I do not think this casino will not last long. But if you still feel aggrieved, here's what you can do. First go here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;addflag=3674150

Then read through the flag types and choose the one that you think best fits your case. Use this thread as the reference link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5548526.0).

[Rating Place]

OP if you create a flag, using the example by nutildah, it will really hurt them big since it'll be highlighted in their ANN thread. It could force their hand.

[daniebanker]

OP if you create a flag, using the example by nutildah, it will really hurt them big since it'll be highlighted in their ANN thread. It could force their hand.

I think i already did.
Could you tell me if i did well?

[nutildah]

OP if you create a flag, using the example by nutildah, it will really hurt them big since it'll be highlighted in their ANN thread. It could force their hand.

I think i already did.
Could you tell me if i did well?

Ah, indeed you did, and yes, you chose the most lenient type of flag, which is a good choice. I have supported flag.

Moving away from the allegation of arbitrage betting, "value betting" in itself shouldn't be a reason to confiscate winnings. Ideally, a sportsbook makes money from the spread in odds, meaning that if they have enough bettors on both sides of a bet, they will profit regardless of the outcome of the game/match. Perhaps because they are a relatively new book, they don't have enough action for this to happen. But that's hardly your fault.

As has been said a few times already, the appropriate thing to do (if they wanted to discourage value betting while maintaining the integrity of their book) would be to pay out the winnings and then limit the amount you can bet next time, or even ban your account from making future bets. The winnings are relatively small, so the fact that they aren't paying them out isn't very confidence-inspiring.

[Rating Place]

OP if you create a flag, using the example by nutildah, it will really hurt them big since it'll be highlighted in their ANN thread. It could force their hand.

I think i already did.
Could you tell me if i did well?

Ah, indeed you did, and yes, you chose the most lenient type of flag, which is a good choice. I have supported flag.

Moving away from the allegation of arbitrage betting, "value betting" in itself shouldn't be a reason to confiscate winnings. Ideally, a sportsbook makes money from the spread in odds, meaning that if they have enough bettors on both sides of a bet, they will profit regardless of the outcome of the game/match. Perhaps because they are a relatively new book, they don't have enough action for this to happen. But that's hardly your fault.

As has been said a few times already, the appropriate thing to do (if they wanted to discourage value betting while maintaining the integrity of their book) would be to pay out the winnings and then limit the amount you can bet next time, or even ban your account from making future bets. The winnings are relatively small, so the fact that they aren't paying them out isn't very confidence-inspiring.

where do I go to support the flag?

[holydarkness]

OP if you create a flag, using the example by nutildah, it will really hurt them big since it'll be highlighted in their ANN thread. It could force their hand.

I think i already did.
Could you tell me if i did well?

Ah, indeed you did, and yes, you chose the most lenient type of flag, which is a good choice. I have supported flag.

Moving away from the allegation of arbitrage betting, "value betting" in itself shouldn't be a reason to confiscate winnings. Ideally, a sportsbook makes money from the spread in odds, meaning that if they have enough bettors on both sides of a bet, they will profit regardless of the outcome of the game/match. Perhaps because they are a relatively new book, they don't have enough action for this to happen. But that's hardly your fault.

As has been said a few times already, the appropriate thing to do (if they wanted to discourage value betting while maintaining the integrity of their book) would be to pay out the winnings and then limit the amount you can bet next time, or even ban your account from making future bets. The winnings are relatively small, so the fact that they aren't paying them out isn't very confidence-inspiring.

where do I go to support the flag?

Wait... umm... I don't think I understand this.

Rating Place, I am asking your permission to share with public what you inform me through PM regarding this case. That's one of the reason why I didn't chase the casino firther [aside from the stance I had as poured in older post, as well as the player himself didn't give their consent to me, so I can't speak on their behalf] and "ignored" OP's consecutive post of being "ignored" by the casino. And then you... not only encouraged a flag, but also going to supporting it?

What happened?

[Rating Place]

OP if you create a flag, using the example by nutildah, it will really hurt them big since it'll be highlighted in their ANN thread. It could force their hand.

I think i already did.
Could you tell me if i did well?

Ah, indeed you did, and yes, you chose the most lenient type of flag, which is a good choice. I have supported flag.

Moving away from the allegation of arbitrage betting, "value betting" in itself shouldn't be a reason to confiscate winnings. Ideally, a sportsbook makes money from the spread in odds, meaning that if they have enough bettors on both sides of a bet, they will profit regardless of the outcome of the game/match. Perhaps because they are a relatively new book, they don't have enough action for this to happen. But that's hardly your fault.

As has been said a few times already, the appropriate thing to do (if they wanted to discourage value betting while maintaining the integrity of their book) would be to pay out the winnings and then limit the amount you can bet next time, or even ban your account from making future bets. The winnings are relatively small, so the fact that they aren't paying them out isn't very confidence-inspiring.

where do I go to support the flag?

Wait... umm... I don't think I understand this.

Rating Place, I am asking your permission to share with public what you inform me through PM regarding this case. That's one of the reason why I didn't chase the casino firther [aside from the stance I had as poured in older post, as well as the player himself didn't give their consent to me, so I can't speak on their behalf] and "ignored" OP's consecutive post of being "ignored" by the casino. And then you... not only encouraged a flag, but also going to supporting it?

What happened?

You can share if you want. I’m not going to say what they told me. Let’s just say we didn’t see eye to eye.

[Riceandbean]

OP if you create a flag, using the example by nutildah, it will really hurt them big since it'll be highlighted in their ANN thread. It could force their hand.

I think i already did.
Could you tell me if i did well?

Ah, indeed you did, and yes, you chose the most lenient type of flag, which is a good choice. I have supported flag.

Moving away from the allegation of arbitrage betting, "value betting" in itself shouldn't be a reason to confiscate winnings. Ideally, a sportsbook makes money from the spread in odds, meaning that if they have enough bettors on both sides of a bet, they will profit regardless of the outcome of the game/match. Perhaps because they are a relatively new book, they don't have enough action for this to happen. But that's hardly your fault.

As has been said a few times already, the appropriate thing to do (if they wanted to discourage value betting while maintaining the integrity of their book) would be to pay out the winnings and then limit the amount you can bet next time, or even ban your account from making future bets. The winnings are relatively small, so the fact that they aren't paying them out isn't very confidence-inspiring.

You are right, but I have a question, why don't players choose a casino that allows VALUE BETTING to arbitrage? I know that several casinos allow it. Isn't all this avoidable? Because I think xyes will not return the money to this user.

[Rating Place]

OP if you create a flag, using the example by nutildah, it will really hurt them big since it'll be highlighted in their ANN thread. It could force their hand.

I think i already did.
Could you tell me if i did well?

Ah, indeed you did, and yes, you chose the most lenient type of flag, which is a good choice. I have supported flag.

Moving away from the allegation of arbitrage betting, "value betting" in itself shouldn't be a reason to confiscate winnings. Ideally, a sportsbook makes money from the spread in odds, meaning that if they have enough bettors on both sides of a bet, they will profit regardless of the outcome of the game/match. Perhaps because they are a relatively new book, they don't have enough action for this to happen. But that's hardly your fault.

As has been said a few times already, the appropriate thing to do (if they wanted to discourage value betting while maintaining the integrity of their book) would be to pay out the winnings and then limit the amount you can bet next time, or even ban your account from making future bets. The winnings are relatively small, so the fact that they aren't paying them out isn't very confidence-inspiring.

You are right, but I have a question, why don't players choose a casino that allows VALUE BETTING to arbitrage? I know that several casinos allow it. Isn't all this avoidable? Because I think xyes will not return the money to this user.

99.99% of sportsbooks world wide allow it, then limit. The .01% that takes winnings are all here in scam accusations.

There are rules such as recreational players only. No syndicate play and more. The only thing they do is cancel bonuses.

[holydarkness]

Wait... umm... I don't think I understand this.

Rating Place, I am asking your permission to share with public what you inform me through PM regarding this case. That's one of the reason why I didn't chase the casino firther [aside from the stance I had as poured in older post, as well as the player himself didn't give their consent to me, so I can't speak on their behalf] and "ignored" OP's consecutive post of being "ignored" by the casino. And then you... not only encouraged a flag, but also going to supporting it?

What happened?

You can share if you want. I’m not going to say what they told me. Let’s just say we didn’t see eye to eye.

By your permission:



This is the reason why I barely try to bridge this case [again, aside from above mentioned reason] and other XYes related matters. Because Rating Place assured me that he's in contact with XYes.

I have to say that I am very surprised with this turn of event. From "I can help do that case" to "where do I go to support the flag?" and this come from someone who state to me,

I did these arbitration cases a lot longer than you. The casino makes an allegation with proof. Then the player replies to discredit that proof.

And instead of arbitraging between players and the casino, like you said you'll do, you encouraged a flag? Because "we didn't see eye to eye"?

I dont mean to be rude or attacking you, but at the very least, especially as you claimed to have been arbitrating cases longer than me, you'll at least have an uderstanding when you've exhausted a path, you try to exhaust another, intead of suddenly encouraging a flag because "we didn't see eye to eye". Even if that means telling me that it doesn't go well between you and XYes so I can at least take it back.

If you can share what "we didn't see eye to eye" exactly is, that might be a good start to help us understand this sudden mess. Because if I were in that position, I'll exhaust every other possible way, and ask OP to allow me to speak on their behalf and fight for their case with XYes instead of just encourage a flagging.

God of Thunder, can you please give insight on what happened? Were you still in contact with them following my last talk with them [I believe I update you with this] where I withdraw myself as per a situation I understood that there is someone else who will talk with them for their player's behalf?

[Rating Place]

Wait... umm... I don't think I understand this.

Rating Place, I am asking your permission to share with public what you inform me through PM regarding this case. That's one of the reason why I didn't chase the casino firther [aside from the stance I had as poured in older post, as well as the player himself didn't give their consent to me, so I can't speak on their behalf] and "ignored" OP's consecutive post of being "ignored" by the casino. And then you... not only encouraged a flag, but also going to supporting it?

What happened?

You can share if you want. I’m not going to say what they told me. Let’s just say we didn’t see eye to eye.

By your permission:



This is the reason why I barely try to bridge this case [again, aside from above mentioned reason] and other XYes related matters. Because Rating Place assured me that he's in contact with XYes.

I have to say that I am very surprised with this turn of event. From "I can help do that case" to "where do I go to support the flag?" and this come from someone who state to me,

I did these arbitration cases a lot longer than you. The casino makes an allegation with proof. Then the player replies to discredit that proof.

And instead of arbitraging between players and the casino, like you said you'll do, you encouraged a flag? Because "we didn't see eye to eye"?

I dont mean to be rude or attacking you, but at the very least, especially as you claimed to have been arbitrating cases longer than me, you'll at least have an uderstanding when you've exhausted a path, you try to exhaust another, intead of suddenly encouraging a flag because "we didn't see eye to eye". Even if that means telling me that it doesn't go well between you and XYes so I can at least take it back.

If you can share what "we didn't see eye to eye" exactly is, that might be a good start to help us understand this sudden mess. Because if I were in that position, I'll exhaust every other possible way, and ask OP to allow me to speak on their behalf and fight for their case with XYes instead of just encourage a flagging.

God of Thunder, can you please give insight on what happened? Were you still in contact with them following my last talk with them [I believe I update you with this] where I withdraw myself as per a situation I understood that there is someone else who will talk with them for their player's behalf?

You make mountains out of molehills. XYes contacted me, we didn't agree. If a book contacts me, I'll reply. If a player goes to my thread, I'll try to help. I'm not trying to step on toes in scam accusations, so I watch most of the time unless it's obvious. I'm not discussing what people tell me in private and I don't try to play big shot or name drop.

You are always looking for trouble and get all twisted up when I reply. It's more important to you to try and make me look bad then helping players. It's not going to work. Doing double blind studies was your best when all you had to do is ask why they didn't pay.

[God Of Thunder]

God of Thunder, can you please give insight on what happened? Were you still in contact with them following my last talk with them [I believe I update you with this] where I withdraw myself as per a situation I understood that there is someone else who will talk with them for their player's behalf?

Unfortunately, I cannot tell you anything further about XYes or what to do because they are no longer my client. My XYes contact confirmed to me that they no longer need my service. So I assume the signature campaign is not going to resume, which is on HOLD.

You never knew anything. Are you still backing them?

I don't feed the trolls.

[Rating Place]

God of Thunder, can you please give insight on what happened? Were you still in contact with them following my last talk with them [I believe I update you with this] where I withdraw myself as per a situation I understood that there is someone else who will talk with them for their player's behalf?

Unfortunately, I cannot tell you anything further about XYes or what to do because they are no longer my client. My XYes contact confirmed to me that they no longer need my service. So I assume the signature campaign is not going to resume, which is on HOLD.

You never knew anything. Are you still backing them?

[LEVSKI7]

OP if you create a flag, using the example by nutildah, it will really hurt them big since it'll be highlighted in their ANN thread. It could force their hand.

I think i already did.
Could you tell me if i did well?

Ah, indeed you did, and yes, you chose the most lenient type of flag, which is a good choice. I have supported flag.

Moving away from the allegation of arbitrage betting, "value betting" in itself shouldn't be a reason to confiscate winnings. Ideally, a sportsbook makes money from the spread in odds, meaning that if they have enough bettors on both sides of a bet, they will profit regardless of the outcome of the game/match. Perhaps because they are a relatively new book, they don't have enough action for this to happen. But that's hardly your fault.

As has been said a few times already, the appropriate thing to do (if they wanted to discourage value betting while maintaining the integrity of their book) would be to pay out the winnings and then limit the amount you can bet next time, or even ban your account from making future bets. The winnings are relatively small, so the fact that they aren't paying them out isn't very confidence-inspiring.

You are right, but I have a question, why don't players choose a casino that allows VALUE BETTING to arbitrage? I know that several casinos allow it. Isn't all this avoidable? Because I think xyes will not return the money to this user.

This is not a concert of wills/ numerous court decisions show that the bookmaker cannot impose personal limits and close the account. This was also stated by some regulators. Now a similar discussion is taking place in the USA and all limited accounts are being checked.

[Rating Place]

OP if you create a flag, using the example by nutildah, it will really hurt them big since it'll be highlighted in their ANN thread. It could force their hand.

I think i already did.
Could you tell me if i did well?

Ah, indeed you did, and yes, you chose the most lenient type of flag, which is a good choice. I have supported flag.

Moving away from the allegation of arbitrage betting, "value betting" in itself shouldn't be a reason to confiscate winnings. Ideally, a sportsbook makes money from the spread in odds, meaning that if they have enough bettors on both sides of a bet, they will profit regardless of the outcome of the game/match. Perhaps because they are a relatively new book, they don't have enough action for this to happen. But that's hardly your fault.

As has been said a few times already, the appropriate thing to do (if they wanted to discourage value betting while maintaining the integrity of their book) would be to pay out the winnings and then limit the amount you can bet next time, or even ban your account from making future bets. The winnings are relatively small, so the fact that they aren't paying them out isn't very confidence-inspiring.

You are right, but I have a question, why don't players choose a casino that allows VALUE BETTING to arbitrage? I know that several casinos allow it. Isn't all this avoidable? Because I think xyes will not return the money to this user.

This is not a concert of wills/ numerous court decisions show that the bookmaker cannot impose personal limits and close the account. This was also stated by some regulators. Now a similar discussion is taking place in the USA and all limited accounts are being checked.

They can all limit. Pinnacle, Bitcoin-Betting, Circa and Bookmaker are the only ones I know that don’t limit.

[LEVSKI7]

"You've heard them talk about advantage players. The translation for that is good player, good bettor, smart player," gambling journalist Jeff Edelstein said during the meeting. "They're saying, 'We don't want smart players. We don't want good players because we see them as a threat.'

https://www.playma.com/news/massachusetts-bet-limiting-discussion-continues-industry-experts-counter-sports-betting-operators/