Musk calls for the creation of a truly American party

[paxmao]

After passing the "big spending bill" promoted by Trump, Elon finally realised that Trump was not going to be the one implementing a government spend reduction programme and that he was not going to reduce the national debt.

In things such as promoting hate agains immigrants, depriving diverse people from rights and cutting taxes for the rich (while having tariffs that do the same effect) Trump has followed the programme. However he has not nearly forced the vote of his own party to massively raise the debt celing of the already badly loaded government.

This is a debt that will be now carried by all US people and seems that, since it is impossible to pay, will eventually result either in a default or in huge taxes down the line. This is starting to look Ponzi.

Musk decided that this is not what he voted for, nor what he supported and is now clearly playing with the idea of creating a rival party.

[o48o]

After passing the "big spending bill" promoted by Trump, Elon finally realised that Trump was not going to be the one implementing a government spend reduction programme and that he was not going to reduce the national debt.

In things such as promoting hate agains immigrants, depriving diverse people from rights and cutting taxes for the rich (while having tariffs that do the same effect) Trump has followed the programme. However he has not nearly forced the vote of his own party to massively raise the debt celing of the already badly loaded government.

This is a debt that will be now carried by all US people and seems that, since it is impossible to pay, will eventually result either in a default or in huge taxes down the line. This is starting to look Ponzi.

Musk decided that this is not what he voted for, nor what he supported and is now clearly playing with the idea of creating a rival party.

Trump was successful on harnessing the power of a movement to unite the party, overcoming even their own core beliefs. Problem is that it was based on fascism, and there's no cooperation in fascism, there are just enemies and newspeak. It doesn't build anything, it just destroys, and that's why it will end up destroying itself

Now maga-hats and conservatives are scattering so i am just eating my popocorn while watching this. Just wait until medicare cuts hits gun nut maga-hats. Trumpo will be blaming democrats for that too.

[PrimeNumber7]

Third-party candidates are not realistically viable in the United States. They will generally act as a spoiler and will take votes away from one of the two major party candidates. Ross Perot is why Clinton was elected in 1992 (and reelected).

It is possible for the government to save some money from waste and fraud (there is a lot of this), however, the actual savings from this is limited. The only way to substantially reduce the deficit is via entitlement reforms.

Most of the rest of what is in the OP is nonsense bs.

[coin-investor]

Musk decided that this is not what he voted for, nor what he supported and is now clearly playing with the idea of creating a rival party.

Not even his billions can match up against the two giant political parties. It’s allowed to have a new party in the US; there are the Reform Party, the Libertarian Party, and the Green Party, but these parties do not have a significant presence during elections.

It’s good that he parted ways with Trump and let him self-destruct, as it’s obvious that many of Trump’s decisions are affecting his business.
This is politics, and it's not Musk's game, and he still has four years to suffer from many of Trump's bad decisions.

[BADecker]

Note that Musk is smart enough to be able to work his way around anything that government wants to do to him.

[Hispo]

After passing the "big spending bill" promoted by Trump, Elon finally realised that Trump was not going to be the one implementing a government spend reduction programme and that he was not going to reduce the national debt.

In things such as promoting hate agains immigrants, depriving diverse people from rights and cutting taxes for the rich (while having tariffs that do the same effect) Trump has followed the programme. However he has not nearly forced the vote of his own party to massively raise the debt celing of the already badly loaded government.

This is a debt that will be now carried by all US people and seems that, since it is impossible to pay, will eventually result either in a default or in huge taxes down the line. This is starting to look Ponzi.

Musk decided that this is not what he voted for, nor what he supported and is now clearly playing with the idea of creating a rival party.

Well, this could result in a very significant development within the world of American politics if Elon Musk is being half serious about going third party, it is unlikely to happen, though.
Also, I would like to know whether you have some source on this news, because I have not been paying attention to that billionaire in a while since the presidential election ended in the USA.

Also, I thought Trump was going to completely align Elon Musk with the indirect threats he has been throwing against him, like shouting down government contracts with his companies and even deporting him back to South Africa, but if this is true then Elon is likely to fracture the support of Trump significantly, but I think it won't be enough to start a inner struggle for power within the Republican party, Trump is already the president so naturally he has got more power than Elon Musk and his fans/supporters.

[jvanname]

Here we go. We have a whole bunch of stupid ass worthless morons worshipping Elon Musk. We really need to bring back laws against idolatry so that Musk worshippers will get stoned. YOU ARE ALL ACTING LIKE SUCH STUPID ASS IMBECILES THAT I CANNOT EVEN COMMUNICATE TO YOU A DAMN THING BECAUSE YOU ARE THAT PSYCHOTIC!

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

[caroasi]

No responsible intelligent adults suggest the best thing for the USA is more debt, and that is what "Trump's Big Beautiful Billl" does. Trump could have used the savings from DOGE to pay down the debt, but instead used it to fund the military, tax cuts, and the border wall. The country has a debt to GDP ratio of above 100% which is generally considered a  high risk of essential bankruptcy. New spending beyond continuation of extensions of tax cuts amounted to about $150 to $200 billion, a much smaller increase than Democrats would have done but that is irrelevant when inflation will result. Inflation was reported to be people's problem of most concern for the USA election. And of course the USA debt levels are at rates such that additional spending does lead to inflation, whereas normally it taxes an unknown but certainly large number of years for spending to result in price inflation.

Trump's only hope against inflation is actually the kind of deflation that comes from technology gains, which in turn come from eliminating jobs. Trump believes he can wheel and deal his way out of the gargantuan debt with higher economic growth. No. What will happen instead is high inflation, and Trump will be considered a high inflation president, or the AI job loss president, as there are no other realistic options.

And as far as the world's largest elephant in our room, that AI is going to be taking all the jobs in existence by the end of our children's lifetimes if not much much sooner, I don't hear Trump talking about that. The default solution, a very bad solution, is UBI. Most of the technology visionaries, maybe even almost all of them, are expecting UBI now to result from that issue. Car drivers are starting to lose their jobs right now to self driving taxi fleets who a contingent of people suggest will never exist and bury their heads in the sand. The proper solution is to declare that everyone is on their own from corporations and that we are all small business owner entrepreneurs who will be on our own with only each other as individuals to solve life's problems. Take responsibility and participate including networking with others, and you'll do well during the AI job apocalypse. UBI will almost exclusively be used to maximally enslave the population, requiring people to sacrifice freedoms, rights, and privileges to receive the money.

[BADecker]

No responsible intelligent adults suggest the best thing for the USA is more debt, and that is what "Trump's Big Beautiful Billl" does. Trump could have used the savings from DOGE to pay down the debt, but instead used it to fund the military, tax cuts, and the border wall. The country has a debt to GDP ratio of above 100% which is generally considered a  high risk of essential bankruptcy. New spending beyond continuation of extensions of tax cuts amounted to about $150 to $200 billion, a much smaller increase than Democrats would have done but that is irrelevant when inflation will result. Inflation was reported to be people's problem of most concern for the USA election. And of course the USA debt levels are at rates such that additional spending does lead to inflation, whereas normally it taxes an unknown but certainly large number of years for spending to result in price inflation.

Trump's only hope against inflation is actually the kind of deflation that comes from technology gains, which in turn come from eliminating jobs. Trump believes he can wheel and deal his way out of the gargantuan debt with higher economic growth. No. What will happen instead is high inflation, and Trump will be considered a high inflation president, or the AI job loss president, as there are no other realistic options.

And as far as the world's largest elephant in our room, that AI is going to be taking all the jobs in existence by the end of our children's lifetimes if not much much sooner, I don't hear Trump talking about that. The default solution, a very bad solution, is UBI. Most of the technology visionaries, maybe even almost all of them, are expecting UBI now to result from that issue. Car drivers are starting to lose their jobs right now to self driving taxi fleets who a contingent of people suggest will never exist and bury their heads in the sand. The proper solution is to declare that everyone is on their own from corporations and that we are all small business owner entrepreneurs who will be on our own with only each other as individuals to solve life's problems. Take responsibility and participate including networking with others, and you'll do well during the AI job apocalypse. UBI will almost exclusively be used to maximally enslave the population, requiring people to sacrifice freedoms, rights, and privileges to receive the money.

The answer to Trump's BBB is, get the country off Federal Reserve Notes, and back onto US Treasury Notes as stated in the Constitution.

Because of the way the Federal Reserve Bank works, the National Debt is what the Fed owes the American people, not the other way around.

Let AI take all the jobs. When nobody has a job any longer, the companies that use AI will fail, because there won't be anybody who will have enough money to buy anything from them. But the people will figure out ways of barter among themselves, just to live.


Wouldn't it be nice to have capable AI doing all the jobs, and you would only work for the fun of it? AI would let you travel the world. AI would repair itself. AI means freedom.

[Sim_card]

Elon is doing this for his own selfish interest, because if I may ask will he be the one to come up as the primary candidate to be voted for if he successfully create this new party. I don't think that a newly created party will be able to have the force and attention that the Democrat and Republican party has. Therefore, it will be a waste of time because Elon is not a politician and politicians are after power which makes them support the two major parties that are rivals.

[BADecker]

^^^ Of course Musk is doing this for his own benefit. But think about it. Even the comments that we make in the forum are for our own benefit. If nothing else, they make us feel good that we can blab, or let off steam. So, why shouldn't Musk do something for his own benefit?

[paxmao]

^^^ Of course Musk is doing this for his own benefit. But think about it. Even the comments that we make in the forum are for our own benefit. If nothing else, they make us feel good that we can blab, or let off steam. So, why shouldn't Musk do something for his own benefit?

The BSB (Big Spending Bill) should probably be named the Big Bullshit Bill. Trum has not been elected on the grounds of raising debt and it is absolutely natural that Musk feels that he has been supurting a bullshitter.

But I wonder if he could only see the Narcissitic complex in Trump and the Maniac-Depressive element of it went unadverted to him. Musk has a difficult taks ahead. Not even all his money can buy an election without finding supporters and Trump has created a bulliying pack and cowed most media into lame submission.

However, there is one thing that Musk does have... XTweeter. There is no impediment to ban Trumps account on any of the systematic violations of the platforms code of conduct or send his messages to the bottom of the feed, with the rest of the bottom feeders (pun intended).

[Hispo]

^^^ Of course Musk is doing this for his own benefit. But think about it. Even the comments that we make in the forum are for our own benefit. If nothing else, they make us feel good that we can blab, or let off steam. So, why shouldn't Musk do something for his own benefit?

Doing something for your own benefit does not give you a free blank moral check to do whatever you want and not caring about the consequences of your actions. Clearly, both Trump and Trump seeking to safeguard their own interest and since those interest have reached a point where they are colliding a struggle seems to be inevitable.

Keep in mind getting into politics is not supposed to do something always because it benefits us, it is about serving the people and looking to improve one's country situation with each year that comes and goes. Does Elon genuinely wants to help the people of the United States while at the same time of keeping his interests? Or is he willing to throw them all under the bus to continue to earn money?

[btc78]

Musk decided that this is not what he voted for, nor what he supported and is now clearly playing with the idea of creating a rival party.

this will be interesting but i think he is going to be humbled pretty hard politics is a different game and he might be a rich successful businessman with a very strong influence on the internet but politicians are not born overnight. you need the right connections, right followers, right platforms and etc if you have to be cunning you have to be

[BADecker]

Musk is doing it. If he completes it, and if he wins the presidency, we will go back under the Constitution rather than the corrupt banking system.


It's Official: Elon Musk's 'America Party' Registers With Federal Election Commission


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/musk-unveils-america-party-challenge-one-party-system-thats-bankrupting-our-country
Musk has voiced deep frustration with GOP lawmakers over their failure to codify DOGE cuts and President Trump's "Big Beautiful Bill," which was signed into law on Independence Day.

FEC Filing:

Filing #1898441 states that AMEP will be headquartered at 1 Rocket Road, Hawthorne, CA 78725—the same address as Musk's rocket company, SpaceX, according to public records.

Leadership:

AMEP's Custodian of Records and Treasurer is listed as Vaibhav Taneja, who also currently serves as CFO of Tesla, per publicly available filings.

The Filing:
...

[paxmao]

Musk decided that this is not what he voted for, nor what he supported and is now clearly playing with the idea of creating a rival party.

this will be interesting but i think he is going to be humbled pretty hard politics is a different game and he might be a rich successful businessman with a very strong influence on the internet but politicians are not born overnight. you need the right connections, right followers, right platforms and etc if you have to be cunning you have to be

That could happen, but it is also true that he is going to be around for much longer than Trump. Unless he is destroyed financially - which may be harder that it seems - he will have decades to take revenge and play the bully for decades after Trump is (most likely) gone from presidency or even dead.

All now seems to be about Trump, but time is for the weak, the powerful the poor and the rich... the ultimate equalizer.

[_Miracle]

I suppose this train wreck would be more interesting to watch if I wasn't in it.

Ironically The Green Party is what lost Al Gore's election.
I've been interested in ranked choice voting for many years and now I understand why those involved abandoned it. The division is the point.
Nuanced thinking isn't encouraged.

Musk's Doge is literally what brought people out into the streets in the first place: Hands Off
We are so twisted around in America: Pre Trump my conservative friends resented the subsidies green energy got.

We have privatized concentration camps (Alligator Alcatraz aka Alligator Auschwitz).

These are grotesque times.

These fuckin' butt hurt billionaires just can't get enough validation to feed their black hole egos.

I am an "American Girl": Californian. Diversity is what made us great, not reconciling with our history has been our downfall.

When we fall, you will too like dominos... if you don't learn from our mistakes.

[OgNasty]

It will be interesting what districts Musk targets with his new party. There is talk that he will mostly go for Democrat controlled districts in order to make sure not to weaken the conservative position when taking political market share. It remains to be seen how this will effect the battle between republicans and democrats.

[BADecker]

I suppose this train wreck would be more interesting to watch if I wasn't in it.

Ironically The Green Party is what lost Al Gore's election.
I've been interested in ranked choice voting for many years and now I understand why those involved abandoned it. The division is the point.
Nuanced thinking isn't encouraged.

Musk's Doge is literally what brought people out into the streets in the first place: Hands Off
We are so twisted around in America: Pre Trump my conservative friends resented the subsidies green energy got.

We have privatized concentration camps (Alligator Alcatraz aka Alligator Auschwitz).

These are grotesque times.

These fuckin' butt hurt billionaires just can't get enough validation to feed their black hole egos.

I am an "American Girl": Californian. Diversity is what made us great, not reconciling with our history has been our downfall.

When we fall, you will too like dominos... if you don't learn from our mistakes.

Hi _Miracle. It's time to be the Miracle that you are.

The only real way is to get yourself Bible tapes or CD's - a narrator reading the Bible. Then listen to the Bible for at least a half hour a day. I would recommend a modern translation. The old King James is too archaic... can be easily misunderstood. The English Standard Version is a reasonable one.

Listen to the whole Bible, the New Testament 4 times for every Old Testament hearing. Never stop. Listen while sleeping and while awake. The Holy Spirit will work the words in you the way He wants you to have them.

John 1:1-5: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men [and women]. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it."

Since God spoke the whole universe into existence (Genesis chapter 1), Jesus fills the whole universe... since He is the Word being spoken about by God in John, above.

Be the _Miracle you are by filling yourself on God. The rest of the universe will fall in line behind you.

[jvanname]

I am fucking sick of all you motherfuckers blathering a whole lot of bullshit about Elon Musk and worshipping him more than Jesus Christ.

YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF SICKOS! AND SINCE YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO BLATHER ABOUT OTHER THAN STUPID ASS SHIT LIKE THIS, YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING!

Third-party candidates are not realistically viable in the United States. They will generally act as a spoiler and will take votes away from one of the two major party candidates. Ross Perot is why Clinton was elected in 1992 (and reelected).

It is possible for the government to save some money from waste and fraud (there is a lot of this), however, the actual savings from this is limited. The only way to substantially reduce the deficit is via entitlement reforms.

Most of the rest of what is in the OP is nonsense bs.

This is because our voting system was designed by and for mentally retarded people.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.