Musk calls for the creation of a truly American party

[Hispo]

It will be interesting what districts Musk targets with his new party. There is talk that he will mostly go for Democrat controlled districts in order to make sure not to weaken the conservative position when taking political market share. It remains to be seen how this will effect the battle between republicans and democrats.

I mean, democrats and their branch of social media controlled channels and also their "news" channels have already done much of the work when comes to demonizing Elon Musk in the eyes of their voters, so it will be very difficult for Elon Musk to convince them.
On the other hand, one does not need to be a genius to realize the party of Elon Musk will initially attract many republican voters who are not happy with the broken promised of Trump concerning the management of public debt of the USA and other policies which are against the ideas Elon had to improve the economy of the country as a whole.

Still, I doubt Elon's party will have some success in the long term. Political duopoly being kept by both the Democrat and Republican party is strong and it would take much to convince people to give their trust to Musk as a reliable politician.

[Ishicryptic]

I am looking past this Trump, versus Elon Musk, feud because I don't trust politicians and the super rich, they can manipulate the people under them for their selfish interests. Think of it Trump, has only four years to ever rule as president so what if Musk, is positioning himself to enter into politics and run for president? I know that it doesn't quite make any sense even to me but what if he wants to make himself the face of hope for the American people and it's nearing election time some of his friends will lobby him to run for office. They were best friends during election and suddenly they became rivalries, it makes me to wonder they didn't know their core values when the going was good. This is just my imagination nothing more, I just hope that Musk, is genuinely speaking his mind not that he has any hidden agenda.

[BADecker]

^^^ Right! Musk might be acting the way he is as part of a private deal with Trump. Trump, as President, is limited in some of the ways he can push MAGA into existence. But Musk, especially since he has formally left government, can do certain pushes that Trump can't.

Now, MAGA might be hanging on the thread that Musk is doing.

[jvanname]

I am looking past this Trump, versus Elon Musk, feud because I don't trust politicians and the super rich, they can manipulate the people under them for their selfish interests. Think of it Trump, has only four years to ever rule as president so what if Musk, is positioning himself to enter into politics and run for president? I know that it doesn't quite make any sense even to me but what if he wants to make himself the face of hope for the American people and it's nearing election time some of his friends will lobby him to run for office. They were best friends during election and suddenly they became rivalries, it makes me to wonder they didn't know their core values when the going was good. This is just my imagination nothing more, I just hope that Musk, is genuinely speaking his mind not that he has any hidden agenda.

The reason you don't trust politicians is because you have a fucking retarded voting system designed by retards for retards. All the people who worship Elon Musk are mentally retarded. They have absolutely no value.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

[theymos]

I like Elon's proposed party platform of a pro-tech, pro-free-speech, and anti-regulation centrist party. It sounds more libertarian than either of the two major parties, at least. But I don't think that most Americans care enough about these policies for it to really catch on unless he can find several ultra-skilled politicians to spread his message. Elon himself is a terrible politician, as well as a nutcase who I definitely wouldn't trust to stick to any particular platform.

I think that the best way to try to create a third party would be to focus on having an unusual and attractive style, more than on any particular policy, and I'd particularly focus on the rare style of being reasonable and nice. Today, there's no point in ever listening to 99% of politicians: when you see a politician from either side, you know that they're going to make big speeches with zero substance, be intellectually dishonest, and trash/dehumanize everyone with any connection to the other side. A party full of politicians who don't do all that would really stand out and succeed, I think. So if I was designing a new party with the main goal of actually being competitive, I'd create the "Compassion Party":
 - All member politicians have to go out of their way to always be nice, respectful, and intellectually honest, even in the face of massive liars/assholes like Elizabeth Warren or Steve Bannon.
 - It'd be especially effective if many of the leading politicians were moderate religious leaders (such as pastors from mainline Christian churches), since they'd have experience and credibility on compassion, and I think that religious messaging is underused except among the minority of religious Americans who are evangelicals.
 - Focus on a few exciting headline policies, such as UBI or major infrastructure projects (eg. building some popular high-speed rail lines). You want to make people pay attention, viewing you as different and likely to actually shift the status quo.
 - On controversial issues, take positions which come off as reasonable, practical, and not ideological. You want to appear "above it all".
 - Once you're actually in power, to ensure that the economy performs well, make hundreds of small technocratic tweaks which are all pro-growth, but are each too small to annoy any special interests too much.
 
That's not my ideal party, to be clear: just what I think would be most effective. I'd rather the Libertarian Party win overwhelmingly and then rapidly shrink the state. Though I do think that the hypothetical party I described would probably be an improvement over the two major parties.

[_Miracle]

I suppose this train wreck would be more interesting to watch if I wasn't in it.

Ironically The Green Party is what lost Al Gore's election.
I've been interested in ranked choice voting for many years and now I understand why those involved abandoned it. The division is the point.
Nuanced thinking isn't encouraged.

Musk's Doge is literally what brought people out into the streets in the first place: Hands Off
We are so twisted around in America: Pre Trump my conservative friends resented the subsidies green energy got.

We have privatized concentration camps (Alligator Alcatraz aka Alligator Auschwitz).

These are grotesque times.

These fuckin' butt hurt billionaires just can't get enough validation to feed their black hole egos.

I am an "American Girl": Californian. Diversity is what made us great, not reconciling with our history has been our downfall.

When we fall, you will too like dominos... if you don't learn from our mistakes.

Hi _Miracle. It's time to be the Miracle that you are.

The only real way is to get yourself Bible tapes or CD's - a narrator reading the Bible. Then listen to the Bible for at least a half hour a day. I would recommend a modern translation. The old King James is too archaic... can be easily misunderstood. The English Standard Version is a reasonable one.

Listen to the whole Bible, the New Testament 4 times for every Old Testament hearing. Never stop. Listen while sleeping and while awake. The Holy Spirit will work the words in you the way He wants you to have them.

John 1:1-5: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men [and women]. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it."

Since God spoke the whole universe into existence (Genesis chapter 1), Jesus fills the whole universe... since He is the Word being spoken about by God in John, above.

Be the _Miracle you are by filling yourself on God. The rest of the universe will fall in line behind you.

Ok of course I'll take the bait and the advice.
I've read it and plenty of softened language versions which is how one can tell that the people who want it in our schools have not ;-).
Once I opted out of religion Jesus became clearer to understand:
"Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind.  Love your neighbor as yourself. What  you do to the least of these you do to me"

There are many reasons religion is addressed in the 1st amendment. Religion is a magnificent tool of oppression when used against us and each other.

Love for each other, loss of affection and division are some of the best plotlines in dystopian tales. 1984, Animal Farm, Brave New world, Yevgeny's WE: cautionary tales; not guidebooks.

[_Miracle]

I like Elon's proposed party platform of a pro-tech, pro-free-speech, and anti-regulation centrist party. It sounds more libertarian than either of the two major parties, at least. But I don't think that most Americans care enough about these policies for it to really catch on unless he can find several ultra-skilled politicians to spread his message. Elon himself is a terrible politician, as well as a nutcase who I definitely wouldn't trust to stick to any particular platform.

I think that the best way to try to create a third party would be to focus on having an unusual and attractive style, more than on any particular policy, and I'd particularly focus on the rare style of being reasonable and nice. Today, there's no point in ever listening to 99% of politicians: when you see a politician from either side, you know that they're going to make big speeches with zero substance, be intellectually dishonest, and trash/dehumanize everyone with any connection to the other side. A party full of politicians who don't do all that would really stand out and succeed, I think. So if I was designing a new party with the main goal of actually being competitive, I'd create the "Compassion Party":
 - All member politicians have to go out of their way to always be nice, respectful, and intellectually honest, even in the face of massive liars/assholes like Elizabeth Warren or Steve Bannon.
 - It'd be especially effective if many of the leading politicians were moderate religious leaders (such as pastors from mainline Christian churches), since they'd have experience and credibility on compassion, and I think that religious messaging is underused except among the minority of religious Americans who are evangelicals.
 - Focus on a few exciting headline policies, such as UBI or major infrastructure projects (eg. building some popular high-speed rail lines). You want to make people pay attention, viewing you as different and likely to actually shift the status quo.
 - On controversial issues, take positions which come off as reasonable, practical, and not ideological. You want to appear "above it all".
 - Once you're actually in power, to ensure that the economy performs well, make hundreds of small technocratic tweaks which are all pro-growth, but are each too small to annoy any special interests too much.
 
That's not my ideal party, to be clear: just what I think would be most effective. I'd rather the Libertarian Party win overwhelmingly and then rapidly shrink the state. Though I do think that the hypothetical party I described would probably be an improvement over the two major parties.

Industry has long been free to extract and pollute, that any of us think otherwise has been the long con.
People should be free.
Billion dollar industries shouldn't have tax free years while their full time workers qualify for food stamps. You were a Bernie Bro. Did you forget?

We are learning that liberty takes effort and knowledge to maintain.
It was legal to own slaves but illegal to teach them to read for ---a --- reason.
Trump is not the problem he is the result of our system finally breaking free of its restraints.

Speech is free the consequences of what you say are not.

Too many crumbled under the weight of the newly woke illiberal-left but they had a point.

We are not educated enough to be libertarians but that sure would be a worthy ideal to strive for.

[Hydrogen]

340 million americans.

And the only one proposing an "AMERICA" party.

Is some poor guy from south africa.

Peak 2020s.


 

[o48o]

340 million americans.

And the only one proposing an "AMERICA" party.

Is some poor guy from south africa.

Peak 2020s.

Unless he is being inclusive and talks about whole America, that includes north and South America. Then he would be one foreign drug addict instead of 1.02 billion Americans.

I am starting to think that current administration is going to be less and less interested sweeping lawsuits against Elon under a rug. He is probably going to be solely responsible for any wrongdoings that DOGE Subcommittee finds out.

[paxmao]

Despite Trump being... well, himself, and Musk being, in the end, a guy that is focused on his accumulation of wealth at least I would say the crypto agenda has been advanced by Trump. I am not sure he is advancing it in the right direction with that "stablecoin law" but that is a discussion for a full thread.

On Musk, he is about thinnin the state - but I would say rather selectively and certainly not on a Libertarian agenda.

Musk does not do politics for pleasure, he is ill suited for it.

[caroasi]

The answer to Trump's BBB is, get the country off Federal Reserve Notes, and back onto US Treasury Notes as stated in the Constitution.

Because of the way the Federal Reserve Bank works, the National Debt is what the Fed owes the American people, not the other way around.

Let AI take all the jobs. When nobody has a job any longer, the companies that use AI will fail, because there won't be anybody who will have enough money to buy anything from them. But the people will figure out ways of barter among themselves, just to live.


Wouldn't it be nice to have capable AI doing all the jobs, and you would only work for the fun of it? AI would let you travel the world. AI would repair itself. AI means freedom.

I only somewhat agree. Shifting from Federal Reserve notes to Treasury notes would strongly reduce the harm done to the USA economy by the banking industry, but it was the end of the gold standard that was the beginning of the end of the middle class in the USA in ways that have propagated to other countries as well as shown by the middle class growing before 1971, but shrinking after 1971 via big government. The freshly printed money goes into big banking and big business, at the cost to small businesses and families paid by inflation and dramatically higher costs of banking. Simply shifting to Treasury notes does not shrink the government, so the core problem of big government would remain.

As for AI taking the jobs, yes, that could lead to freedom and doing less work. However, if all the gains are captured by the wealthy elites and used to lock down all land access such as Blackrock purchases of most residential land, then it will instead be a drawback despite the economic gains. It willl be used as an excuse to implement socialism via UBI. The problem is this "free" money will be used to create vast dependencies and general oppression by social controls. People becoming more wealthy entirely depends on the cost of vacant land remaining low, but that may not be the case and is even unlikely to be the case as the ultra-wealthy become vastly more ultra-wealthy via robotics, and use that wealth to acquire land for rental purposes.

Thanks for the reply.

[Lida93]

I like Elon's proposed party platform of a pro-tech, pro-free-speech, and anti-regulation centrist party. It sounds more libertarian than either of the two major parties, at least. But I don't think that most Americans care enough about these policies for it to really catch on unless he can find several ultra-skilled politicians to spread his message. Elon himself is a terrible politician, as well as a nutcase who I definitely wouldn't trust to stick to any particular platform.

You wouldn't dare try to trust any politicians on their vision statement, not until you give them power and then you'll know their true intentions. I continue to say this as I stated in one of my recent comments, Elon Musk is no different of Trump. He is just one man who's after political power after being within the corridors of political power and seen the authority it wield. I am no much of a Trump's fan but some of us just have to bring the reality in politics and politicians to light.

[Odohu]

Elon Musk is not mentally prepared to be a politician, so it will be very difficult for any conventional politician, which he definitely need, to follow him considering how fast it was for him to fall out with Donald Trump who worked with him closely during last election and even gave him the greatest access we have seen in political appointment. That singular incidence have destroyed every political credibility Elon Musk would have had because he appear more like a political rebel who cannot be trusted by any politician.

Consequently,  no matter how fine a political ideology he presents, no serious America politician will follow him and those that will do will only be interested in his money so are willing to allow the relationship operate on a lord-and-master fashion to enable him flex his egos. 

[Cryptohygenic]

I like Elon's proposed party platform of a pro-tech, pro-free-speech, and anti-regulation centrist party. It sounds more libertarian than either of the two major parties, at least. But I don't think that most Americans care enough about these policies for it to really catch on unless he can find several ultra-skilled politicians to spread his message. Elon himself is a terrible politician, as well as a nutcase who I definitely wouldn't trust to stick to any particular platform.

I think that the best way to try to create a third party would be to focus on having an unusual and attractive style, more than on any particular policy, and I'd particularly focus on the rare style of being reasonable and nice. Today, there's no point in ever listening to 99% of politicians: when you see a politician from either side, you know that they're going to make big speeches with zero substance, be intellectually dishonest, and trash/dehumanize everyone with any connection to the other side. A party full of politicians who don't do all that would really stand out and succeed, I think. So if I was designing a new party with the main goal of actually being competitive, I'd create the "Compassion Party":
 - All member politicians have to go out of their way to always be nice, respectful, and intellectually honest, even in the face of massive liars/assholes like Elizabeth Warren or Steve Bannon.
 - It'd be especially effective if many of the leading politicians were moderate religious leaders (such as pastors from mainline Christian churches), since they'd have experience and credibility on compassion, and I think that religious messaging is underused except among the minority of religious Americans who are evangelicals.
 - Focus on a few exciting headline policies, such as UBI or major infrastructure projects (eg. building some popular high-speed rail lines). You want to make people pay attention, viewing you as different and likely to actually shift the status quo.
 - On controversial issues, take positions which come off as reasonable, practical, and not ideological. You want to appear "above it all".
 - Once you're actually in power, to ensure that the economy performs well, make hundreds of small technocratic tweaks which are all pro-growth, but are each too small to annoy any special interests too much.
 
That's not my ideal party, to be clear: just what I think would be most effective. I'd rather the Libertarian Party win overwhelmingly and then rapidly shrink the state. Though I do think that the hypothetical party I described would probably be an improvement over the two major parties.

You talked so well. Elon having to actualize that proposed may really not be an easy task because forming a new party does not only requires the visions but also those who would be in the picture of laying the foundation is also a major concern because, the utmost interest of the true Americans to embrace the proposed party will be justified by the reputations of those politicians behind the bricks of the party.
Some worth different in equity, humanization and fairness as a motto of the party will be a great proportion never to be compared with the contaminated other two parties. That is exactly kind of government a kindan humanized minds ever wished for.
But the problem behind the scene is Elon Musk interest that motivated him with the aspiration on the movement. The people also doubt to believe there are honest politicians and Elon Musk does not act out of personal interest.

[jvanname]

I am not reading any of the bullshit that anyone here is posting because people need to stop worshipping Elon (and of course because I have ignored most of the idiots on this site). People who worship Elon need to be stoned for idolatry.

BRING BACK LAWS AGAINST IDOLATRY! BRING BACK PUBLIC EXECUTIONS! BRING BACK THE SALEM WITCH TRIALS AGAINST EVERYONE WHO WORSHIPS ELON!

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

[BADecker]

I am not reading any of the bullshit that anyone here is posting because people need to stop worshipping Elon (and of course because I have ignored most of the idiots on this site). People who worship Elon need to be stoned for idolatry.

BRING BACK LAWS AGAINST IDOLATRY! BRING BACK PUBLIC EXECUTIONS! BRING BACK THE SALEM WITCH TRIALS AGAINST EVERYONE WHO WORSHIPS ELON!

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

Being a university graduate, you probably can't read.

[jvanname]

Being a university graduate, you probably can't read.

Unlike most university graduates, I in fact can read. But in this case, I choose not to because everyone who reads the bullshit on this thread becomes dumber. And that is especially bad since the people reading the bullshit here are already dumb. The people on this site are mentally retarded.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

[paxmao]

Being a university graduate, you probably can't read.

Unlike most university graduates, I in fact can read. But in this case, I choose not to because everyone who reads the bullshit on this thread becomes dumber. And that is especially bad since the people reading the bullshit here are already dumb. The people on this site are mentally retarded.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

Yet here you are.

[jvanname]

Yet here you are.

I am trying to educate motherfuckers like you, but you refuse education because you are fucked up.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

[BADecker]

Yet here you are.

I am trying to educate motherfuckers like you, but you refuse education because you are fucked up.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

The thing you don't realize is that those 'motherf***ers' are the people who have children, and get those children by being the 'motherf***ers' of their children's mothers (their own wives), so that there can be more children.