Is a University Degree Still Worth Anything?

[cabron]

The world has gotten to a time where you don't need a degree from the university to succeed because the world has gone beyond that stage of going to school so that you can get a good job to survive instead of going to a conventional university people should prioritize vocational education which will empower them with a skill that they can in getting a living, school is not a guarantee for success these days it's skilled workers that are living a good life

Things change now and most of the graduates has to go through a lot of learning experiences from jobs they have no idea but because they have gotten a degree the employer considered hiring because there is determination in completing the degree.

Having a degree is still required in some other places. In Asian countries employers prefer the graduates of any kind because even when the job is just operating a building elevator.

[yhiaali3]

I thought this was typical of my country and developing countries, where degrees have become useless. However, I'm surprised to find this is the casein most countries around the world.

As for me, I earned a secondary school certificate, but it didn't benefit me at all in my professional life. I was hired in a government job with a meager salary and worked there for years without achieving any financial advancement.

Fortunately, I learned about Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies a long time ago and gained skills and experience through my work, without any real role for my degree. I left my job and began earning an income through cryptocurrency trading that was several times my salary.
In practice, I didn't benefit at all from my degree.

Just think, what would have happened to you if you didn't have a secondary school certificate during the years you didn't know about bitcoin? Do you think you could get a government job without a degree, and what would your life be like?

It is clear that your degree has helped you a lot, but sadly you deny its role and look down on it.

Moreover, whether we have a high income or not, whether we are rich or not, largely depends on our efforts, diligence or trade-offs...We cannot blame degrees for not getting high paying jobs and becoming rich. Education and degrees are just foundations, baggage or weapons, and whether we know how to use and leverage them to help us win depends on ourselves.

No, no, I don't despise my degree at all, nor do I deny the importance of education and certifications. But, I blame governments for not providing suitable job opportunities and good salaries for degree holders commensurate with their qualifications.

I despise the meager salaries university graduates receive after long years of study. They receive paltry salaries that are barely a fraction of what an average construction worker earns with physical effort.

[Kagaru]

Things change now and most of the graduates has to go through a lot of learning experiences from jobs they have no idea but because they have gotten a degree the employer considered hiring because there is determination in completing the degree.

Having a degree is still required in some other places. In Asian countries employers prefer the graduates of any kind because even when the job is just operating a building elevator.

The university degree is no longer the only way of getting into success. The world is changing faster which demands more value to skills hence the need to acquire them. Individuals that are familiar with useful skills such as coding, designing, plumbing, or even digital marketing are able to earn more money and have more than enough control over their careers. However the same also goes in a way that whereas in certain areas particularly in parts of Asia attaining a degree still counts quite a great deal since it will be regarded as an indicator as to an individual being disciplined and dependable. So, it will depend on the location and the discipline that you are entering but all out, in general skills of the real world are increasingly gaining appreciation now and that is a welcome change.

[|MINER|]

Is university still worth it today? Are “extra skills” and certificates just another money-making trick? Has anyone here found success without a degree, or by learning something new outside of school? Is this the start of a new way of working, or just a big mess?

Yes, in today's era, we can say that if someone has good skills, they never have to look back, but that doesn't mean that studying at universities is not worth it.
University is a laboratory where you can further improve your skills and discover new ways to use them, which will definitely increase the value of your skills. However, you won't find exactly the same facilities at all universities, so you need to keep those things in mind before choosing a university.

[Iranus]

I despise the meager salaries university graduates receive after long years of study. They receive paltry salaries that are barely a fraction of what an average construction worker earns with physical effort.

Don't compare so one-sidedly. Manual workers may earn more money but do you know what they have to go through? They have to work 10-12 hours under the hot sun or pouring rain, they do hard work and almost non-stop, or worse, they can have an accident and lose their life at any time. Not to mention, the job is unstable and can be fired at any time, they may have financial difficulties.

Meanwhile, as an office worker, you get to work in an air-conditioned environment, enjoy full insurance, salary, annual leave...not to mention, you will have the opportunity to be promoted with a better salary.

I don't know if there is any difference between our countries, but in my country, most of the poor people are those who have no education or degree. People with degrees may not always find jobs in their field of expertise, but they do not lack job opportunities and can come up with their own business ideas using the knowledge they learned in school.

[slapper]

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Nurse girls are hot btw

Lol. Would love to see some of those NSFW nurse pics you have saved on your computer.  Too bad the forum rules do not allow those kinds of images. Otherwise, this 7-page thread would be a lot more lively!

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About the immortality pov, I will reply it in my "AI MINING" thread to make it more engaging

I thought this was typical of my country and developing countries, where degrees have become useless. However, I'm surprised to find this is the casein most countries around the world.

As for me, I earned a secondary school certificate, but it didn't benefit me at all in my professional life. I was hired in a government job with a meager salary and worked there for years without achieving any financial advancement.

Fortunately, I learned about Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies a long time ago and gained skills and experience through my work, without any real role for my degree. I left my job and began earning an income through cryptocurrency trading that was several times my salary.
In practice, I didn't benefit at all from my degree.

I bet a lot of people reading this can relate, no matter where they're from, as you can see in this thread. In the modern day, the “official” path just doesn't add up. Years in a government job with a certificate, but no real progress? That is a frustration so many feel. You followed the rules, but the rewards never came. Bitcoin and crypto does open a completely different door for many of us. It proves something we're seeing everywhere: curiosity and self-learning always matter way more than the “stamp” you get from school

But, not everyone finds that alternative path, or even knows where to look. You had the courage (and maybe a bit of luck) to jump into crypto early. But many are still stuck hoping their degree will somehow pay off, even when the system keeps failing them

[yhiaali3]

I despise the meager salaries university graduates receive after long years of study. They receive paltry salaries that are barely a fraction of what an average construction worker earns with physical effort.

Don't compare so one-sidedly. Manual workers may earn more money but do you know what they have to go through? They have to work 10-12 hours under the hot sun or pouring rain, they do hard work and almost non-stop, or worse, they can have an accident and lose their life at any time. Not to mention, the job is unstable and can be fired at any time, they may have financial difficulties.

Meanwhile, as an office worker, you get to work in an air-conditioned environment, enjoy full insurance, salary, annual leave...not to mention, you will have the opportunity to be promoted with a better salary.

I don't know if there is any difference between our countries, but in my country, most of the poor people are those who have no education or degree. People with degrees may not always find jobs in their field of expertise, but they do not lack job opportunities and can come up with their own business ideas using the knowledge they learned in school.

I respect your discussion of the issue from all sides,I may have focused on one aspect and neglected the others, so thank you for leading the discussion well.

Yes, I agree that freelancing, especially construction work, is not easy and involves many difficulties and risks. While working is easy and offers other convenient benefits not available in freelancing, there are freelancing jobs other than construction that are convenient and bring in a lot of money without much effort. However, we must acknowledge that every job has its pros and cons.

I will speak from my personal experience in this field. I spent more than 20 years in a job, during which I was unable to save any money or acquire anything of value. My salary was not even enough to cover my monthly expenses and those of my family, and I was often forced to borrow.
But, in just a few years of my freelancing online, specifically in crypto, I was able, thank God, to save a good amount of money, move to a new, more expensive home, and purchase many items I could not previously afford. This, of course, was in addition to expanding my monthly expenses.

[Yablee0]

The world today has gone beyond that mindset that certificate is what guarantees you a better job or better life , as a matter of facts I know of most gratuate that are still jobless and is very crazy, imagine passing through the whole stress of schooling and after that nothing to show for it.

I know education is very crucial in our life but is also important to have an additional skills at hand, so that what ever way it  is you can still survive as a young man or woman.

[bakasabo]

Don't compare so one-sidedly. Manual workers may earn more money but do you know what they have to go through? They have to work 10-12 hours under the hot sun or pouring rain, they do hard work and almost non-stop, or worse, they can have an accident and lose their life at any time. Not to mention, the job is unstable and can be fired at any time, they may have financial difficulties.

Meanwhile, as an office worker, you get to work in an air-conditioned environment, enjoy full insurance, salary, annual leave...not to mention, you will have the opportunity to be promoted with a better salary.

I don't know if there is any difference between our countries, but in my country, most of the poor people are those who have no education or degree. People with degrees may not always find jobs in their field of expertise, but they do not lack job opportunities and can come up with their own business ideas using the knowledge they learned in school.

Construction work is a very unpredictable, hard and hard to understand profession. About 15 years ago, regular helper without experience (bring this and that, hold this, clean and all such kind of work) earned +100 EUR per day, while employee with MBA earned 30-40 EUR per day working in a bank. There are exception in every job. I've seen young men working on a construction for 3-5 days per week, and I cant tell that they were killing themselves working, as there were days and hours when they do nothing. And I saw people working as a manager in bank for ~5 years without promotion, whos job talks with clients and solve their tiny problems with payment.

In my country, poor and without job are people who are either lazy or who say "I am not doing it for this amount" (and they want to earn highly above average salary straight from start), and not who are without education or with it.

[GiftedMAN]

The world today has gone beyond that mindset that certificate is what guarantees you a better job or better life , as a matter of facts I know of most gratuate that are still jobless and is very crazy, imagine passing through the whole stress of schooling and after that nothing to show for it.

I know education is very crucial in our life but is also important to have an additional skills at hand, so that what ever way it  is you can still survive as a young man or woman.

Education has gone beyond all that becoming a graduate and having certificates you are equipping your self and upgrading your personal life so people should not take education too seriously as if it's a gateway to becoming wealthy after graduation. If you are lucky to get a good job with your certificate then good but before graduation getting a back up plan like a good skill that could help you before getting your deal job is also encouraged.

[ovcijisir]

In my country the fastest way to gain money is to finnish trade school for construction trades. By the time someone who goes to collage and finnishes it, the person who went to trade school can have established company for his trade.

[MArsland]

Whether or not college is valuable depends on one's preference in addressing knowledge. There are groups who consider it valuable because they really utilize the knowledge gained to improve their lives better, and there are other groups who consider it worthless not because college is useless but they have another perspective that knowledge can be obtained from anywhere.

Which position am I in? Of course I support both to give freedom, to choose the path of knowledge they want to take both formally and informally. From any point of view, it is difficult to dictate or determine someone future to go to college or not. Because in the end, every choice will shape one personality in ways that we cannot predict.

Did I go to college? Yes of course.
Am I working in a job that aligns with my major? No.
But was my college education a waste? Absolutely not.

But,The knowledge I gained during college played a big role in shaping my mindset, thus bringing me to a relatively good financial condition today (a good financial condition based on my preferences).

Everyone path in life is unique, right? 

[Hanadawa]

The world has gotten to a time where you don't need a degree from the university to succeed because the world has gone beyond that stage of going to school so that you can get a good job to survive instead of going to a conventional university people should prioritize vocational education which will empower them with a skill that they can in getting a living, school is not a guarantee for success these days it's skilled workers that are living a good life

The world has changed. A few decades ago, if you could go to university, people would see you as respectable, and companies would want to hire you. But today, a university degree isn't as prestigious as it seems, as so many people have earned it. In some cases, you could even earn a bachelor's degree easily. Now, the world has changed, and they look at your skills, not your degree. I'm not saying you shouldn't go to college, but if you want to, choose a vocational major that will focus on specific skills. Or, if you do decide to go to college, use your campus to build relationships and networks that will be useful after you graduate.

[GigaBit]

The world today has gone beyond that mindset that certificate is what guarantees you a better job or better life , as a matter of facts I know of most gratuate that are still jobless and is very crazy, imagine passing through the whole stress of schooling and after that nothing to show for it.

I know education is very crucial in our life but is also important to have an additional skills at hand, so that what ever way it  is you can still survive as a young man or woman.

Education is a basic need of a person, but the purpose of using this education is not the job for which it is intended. One should never expect a job just by getting academic education. Of course, one has to qualify for the job. It is better to have a good idea in advance about the area in which he wants to work. If everyone expects only government jobs, then the development of that country is not possible because the government will never be able to provide jobs to all the people of its country.

Academic education is not only for use as a certificate, it increases the thinking power of the person. This education is needed in every field starting from the values of the person to real life.

[tech30338]

Degree from a well known university and skills stand-out, or even from unpopular schools if you have skills, it will land you a job, some companies also check on the candidate work ethic , attitude, this are the things that companies look at, when you have have all this lots of companies will come after you, even try to steal you from your current job, i have seen this time and time again, some don't believe it, but if you have the degree, skills, good attitude, and good work ethic, its more likely you'll land the job.

[slapper]

Whether or not college is valuable depends on one's preference in addressing knowledge. There are groups who consider it valuable because they really utilize the knowledge gained to improve their lives better, and there are other groups who consider it worthless not because college is useless but they have another perspective that knowledge can be obtained from anywhere.

Which position am I in? Of course I support both to give freedom, to choose the path of knowledge they want to take both formally and informally. From any point of view, it is difficult to dictate or determine someone future to go to college or not. Because in the end, every choice will shape one personality in ways that we cannot predict.

Did I go to college? Yes of course.
Am I working in a job that aligns with my major? No.
But was my college education a waste? Absolutely not.

But,The knowledge I gained during college played a big role in shaping my mindset, thus bringing me to a relatively good financial condition today (a good financial condition based on my preferences).

Everyone path in life is unique, right? 

There is no one answer, and maybe there should not be. It is true, some people really take what they learn in college and use it as a springboard, while others find their “aha moments” outside of formal education. It feels like the real point is having freedom to choose your own way of learning, not just following the old default. And your experience is more typical than people will admit: you learned one thing, but your job turned out to be somewhere else. But, the attitude, the habits and the confidence you developed in college still influenced how you think about problems, money and even how you perceive opportunity. The value is not always in the facts you recall, but in how you learn to cope with unfortunate of life

Each journey is different. The big challenge these days is always letting people explore, fail, and pivot, instead of making everyone walk the same straight line. The world is moving so quickly that it is more important than ever to be able to adapt, think independently, and find meaning (whether you find it in college or in life)

[moneystery]

even with a degree, it's still difficult to find a job, let alone one without one. so, i feel that a degree is quite important nowadays, as many companies make it a primary requirement when applying for a position.

however, it's important to note that having a degree doesn't necessarily make it easier for you to get a job. you still need extra skills to compete with other graduates. also, don't be shy or hesitant to take an opportunity, as most graduates today overvalue their degrees and assume they're superior to those without it.

[bakasabo]

Did I go to college? Yes of course.
Am I working in a job that aligns with my major? No.
But was my college education a waste? Absolutely not.

That is so common today, to study and work in different field. Our work only have connections with what we have studied at university, and our work duties are not what most have studied. Some people say that we study at school or university, only to develop mindset and understand that people see things differently, and we attend them only to understand what mindset we have. Engineers, mathematicians, and artists see world differently, and you dont need a degree to understand if you are a creative person, logical or practical.

[ovcijisir]

I despise the meager salaries university graduates receive after long years of study. They receive paltry salaries that are barely a fraction of what an average construction worker earns with physical effort.

Don't compare so one-sidedly. Manual workers may earn more money but do you know what they have to go through? They have to work 10-12 hours under the hot sun or pouring rain, they do hard work and almost non-stop, or worse, they can have an accident and lose their life at any time. Not to mention, the job is unstable and can be fired at any time, they may have financial difficulties.

Meanwhile, as an office worker, you get to work in an air-conditioned environment, enjoy full insurance, salary, annual leave...not to mention, you will have the opportunity to be promoted with a better salary.

I don't know if there is any difference between our countries, but in my country, most of the poor people are those who have no education or degree. People with degrees may not always find jobs in their field of expertise, but they do not lack job opportunities and can come up with their own business ideas using the knowledge they learned in school.

You have a good point, the future perspectives can be better for workers with university, but also manual workers can be promoted to foremen or similar position.

The conditions for manual workers in my country are not that bad, as far as I know employers comply to health and safety laws. But after lifetime of manual work most workers still have problems with spine and joints.

[BALIK]

But after lifetime of manual work most workers still have problems with spine and joints.

Manual workers not only face health problems but also risk and loss if they cannot save some money before they grow old and lose their ability to work. They will even work until they die. Meanwhile, those with degrees and working at state-owned enterprises will enjoy many benefits during their working time as well as receive pensions when they retire. Not only that, if they have good relationships, their children will have more job opportunities and more chances for career advancement in the future.

The benefits of having a degree are huge, we should not just because some students graduate and become unemployed think that degrees are useless, and spread the mindset that no degree is needed to the younger generation. It not only ruins their future but it can ruin the future of the entire nation.