11 more countries just joined BRICS this week

[Synchronice]

This should answer those who were wondering what is happening with BRICS. In their latest summit that was held in Brazil this week the leaders of BRICS nations welcomed a new full member, Indonesia and also welcomed 10 new countries that joined BRICS as partners: Belarus, Bolivia, Kazakhstan, Nigeria, Malaysia, Thailand, Cuba, Vietnam, Uganda, and Uzbekistan.

Apparently BRICS now represents roughly half the population and GDP of the entire world

BRICS is really developing but which of these countries are successful nations? I think that quality beats the quantity but to be completely honest, everything is so tiring, the world has a potential to really be the heaven and we artificially worsen our lives. If we all could be peaceful and save on military expanses, we would have a huge amount of money for our well-being.

By the way, it's very interesting to see what BRICS will achieve. Them being strong will really reshape the global order but will it be for better or for worse? Will the quality of life improve in BRICS countries if they become less dependent on the western world? I don't think so.

[WillyAp]

The  impulsive tariffs  increase placed on many countries by Trump early this year which largely affected these countries economies before a later 90 days lifting of it was an eye opener to many countries chiefly from those of Africa and Asia continents who had to sought for an alternative to escape from such economic tyranny by joining the BRICS for economic alliance. You don't wake up one morning from your floppy bed in the White House and begin to threaten sovereign nations with tariffs all because you harbour it in your big fat head that your country is in a privilege position against the rest of the world. We are in the 21st century not in the 90s.

Not to worry, the developing world will get most of it.
The EU, The USA are getting "better" to look into you, who wishes to invest and then risking to get thrown out. Or your Investment is not taking into account when applying for a visa.

Its only logical that if the toys I produce cannot be sold in the US, I sell those elsewhere.

[Minor Miner]

By the way, it's very interesting to see what BRICS will achieve. Them being strong will really reshape the global order but will it be for better or for worse? Will the quality of life improve in BRICS countries if they become less dependent on the western world? I don't think so.

In your opinion, a world where power is only in the hands of 1 superpower or 1 single bloc, and they abuse it to create benefits for themselves without caring about the consequences it causes to others. Or they are ready to attack anyone if someone does not please them or does not obey their orders. Would it be better than a world, where power was evenly distributed, where there were no dictators, no bullies, where people had more rights and choices?

To be fair, we don't know whether the rise of BRICS and the reshaping of the global order will be better or worse for us. But in theory, a multipolar world, where power is not concentrated in one person, where people can express their opinions and make choices based on their desires without coercion or fear, would be much better than a world of dictators and abusers of power.

Instead of doubting whether BRICS makes the world a better place, why don't we ask? Why do more and more countries want to reduce their dependence on the USD and join BRICS? If the US and NATO are really good guys, why would people want to leave and run away from them?

[farsky]

We have a nice collection of naive people here who believe that cooperation with communist and former communist countries will bring you anything good other than rosy hopes 

[Fiatless]

We have a nice collection of naive people here who believe that cooperation with communist and former communist countries will bring you anything good other than rosy hopes  

This is a group of people who are tired of the bullying and oppression of the West. People who want to be independent of the control so called powerful countries.

All I want is a world where nations will have alternatives. Developing nations need an alternative to SWIFT, the IMF, the dollar and even the World Bank. The monopoly of the financial system by some nations is affecting the sovereignty of others. Global influence should not be in the hands of a few nations; we need decentralisation.

[WillyAp]

This is a group of people who are tired of the bullying and oppression of the West. People who want to be independent of the control so called powerful countries.

Oppression of the West?
using the WWW which is western, What kind of phone do you use, software and such?
Consumerism is now an oppression Hilarious

[fruktik]

The dollar will stay their but it will lose it's impact as global currency provided BRICS countries keep moving towards their common goal.

Why don't you take the euro currency into account? We shouldn't forget that the EU is a fairly large alliance of countries. Its GDP is almost 20% of the world's.



While the focus is on US hegemony and the BRICS countries, the EU continues to smoothly develop its economy and many industries. Therefore, the focus should be on this union, and not on the dictatorships and the states.

[pooya87]

By the way, it's very interesting to see what BRICS will achieve. Them being strong will really reshape the global order but will it be for better or for worse? Will the quality of life improve in BRICS countries if they become less dependent on the western world? I don't think so.

Multipolar world is the normal world that has been the situation for thousands of years compared to unipolar world that is abnormal and barely lasted 20-30 years. So I believe that BRICS and generally any attempt at helping the establishment of an actual World Order is a good thing.

Whether the quality of life of individuals in each country is going to improve or not depends on the government the people choose. If it is a competent one, then yes it will improve.
For example read what I explained here 4 months ago. Now tell me how many competent governments among the almost 200 countries in the world took advantage of such opportunities? (some users posted some examples in that topic itself) In this small example, something like BRICS can only help but it still needs competent people in office to actually take advantage and change policies, strike deals with other countries, etc. to improve things.

[Smack That Ace]

using the WWW which is western, What kind of phone do you use, software and such?

We have to pay for those things and even a lot of money, they are not free, and it is simply supply and demand. Moreover, all those inventions are the result of human development, they do not belong to any one individual. The US and the West have made huge contributions in creating them, but for them to develop and become as modern as they are today, and for people to have easier access is thanks to the contribution of the whole world.

But on the other hand, although the United States and the West were the countries that made great contributions to the development of technology in the early days, but now because of their greed, jealousy and selfishness. They are becoming the ones who hinder the development of technology and the world. The evidence is that they feel they are falling behind China, and instead of trying to create a fair competitive environment to push the world to progress further, they abuse their power to hinder that progress by imposing sanctions, blacklisting and banning people from using it. For example, they banned Huawei, ZTE and Tiktok could be the next targets if they can't force China to sell it to them.
If they did not hinder this development, I believe that people all over the world, especially in very poor places, would have access to affordable technology products and our world would certainly be much more developed.

[farsky]

We have a nice collection of naive people here who believe that cooperation with communist and former communist countries will bring you anything good other than rosy hopes  

This is a group of people who are tired of the bullying and oppression of the West. People who want to be independent of the control so called powerful countries.

All I want is a world where nations will have alternatives. Developing nations need an alternative to SWIFT, the IMF, the dollar and even the World Bank. The monopoly of the financial system by some nations is affecting the sovereignty of others. Global influence should not be in the hands of a few nations; we need decentralisation.

Anti-Western narratives are now spreading all over the world and even in Europe there is a lot of pro-communist sentiment.
I lived in the communist USSR and I know what it is.
Good luck on your way to getting rid of Western "oppression". The example of the USSR and Cuba has taught no one a lesson. People do not want to broaden their horizons.
Well, you will deservedly get your "alternative", and I'll be interested to observe it.

By the way, it's very interesting to see what BRICS will achieve. Them being strong will really reshape the global order but will it be for better or for worse? Will the quality of life improve in BRICS countries if they become less dependent on the western world? I don't think so.

Multipolar world is the normal world that has been the situation for thousands of years compared to unipolar world that is abnormal and barely lasted 20-30 years. So I believe that BRICS and generally any attempt at helping the establishment of an actual World Order is a good thing.

Whether the quality of life of individuals in each country is going to improve or not depends on the government the people choose. If it is a competent one, then yes it will improve.
For example read what I explained here 4 months ago. Now tell me how many competent governments among the almost 200 countries in the world took advantage of such opportunities? (some users posted some examples in that topic itself) In this small example, something like BRICS can only help but it still needs competent people in office to actually take advantage and change policies, strike deals with other countries, etc. to improve things.

You are indeed trying to reason coherently, but you are a leftist who has read communist propaganda and is spreading anti-Western and pro-terrorist propaganda.
A leftist will always remain a leftist, the idols of such people are Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Hamas and Putin.

using the WWW which is western, What kind of phone do you use, software and such?

We have to pay for those things and even a lot of money, they are not free, and it is simply supply and demand. Moreover, all those inventions are the result of human development, they do not belong to any one individual. The US and the West have made huge contributions in creating them, but for them to develop and become as modern as they are today, and for people to have easier access is thanks to the contribution of the whole world.

But on the other hand, although the United States and the West were the countries that made great contributions to the development of technology in the early days, but now because of their greed, jealousy and selfishness. They are becoming the ones who hinder the development of technology and the world. The evidence is that they feel they are falling behind China, and instead of trying to create a fair competitive environment to push the world to progress further, they abuse their power to hinder that progress by imposing sanctions, blacklisting and banning people from using it. For example, they banned Huawei, ZTE and Tiktok could be the next targets if they can't force China to sell it to them.
If they did not hinder this development, I believe that people all over the world, especially in very poor places, would have access to affordable technology products and our world would certainly be much more developed.

take from the rich and give to the poor.. oh, we've already been through this before.. when was that?
I remembered, Russia in 1917 began to turn into the USSR and really did it: literally took everything from the rich! Did the poor get anything? This remains beyond the knowledge of the ignorant. (spoiler: the poor were given nothing except "happiness in work" and the Iron Curtain).
Communism is an attempt to establish justice... but the result of its implementation always turns into a prison

[abhiseshakana]

By the way, it's very interesting to see what BRICS will achieve. Them being strong will really reshape the global order but will it be for better or for worse? Will the quality of life improve in BRICS countries if they become less dependent on the western world? I don't think so.

Multipolar world is the normal world that has been the situation for thousands of years compared to unipolar world that is abnormal and barely lasted 20-30 years. So I believe that BRICS and generally any attempt at helping the establishment of an actual World Order is a good thing.

Whether the quality of life of individuals in each country is going to improve or not depends on the government the people choose. If it is a competent one, then yes it will improve.
For example read what I explained here 4 months ago. Now tell me how many competent governments among the almost 200 countries in the world took advantage of such opportunities? (some users posted some examples in that topic itself) In this small example, something like BRICS can only help but it still needs competent people in office to actually take advantage and change policies, strike deals with other countries, etc. to improve things.

I see the big picture of the BRICS target with the presence of the world's four largest oil producers is de-dollarization, specifically reducing oil trade transactions using dollars (petro dollars). BRICS could create the potential for collaborative action to shift the petrodollar paradigm. The less dependent a country is on the dollar, the less the United States will intervene, particularly in managing potential currency fluctuations.

The BRICS dedollarization agenda began with Russia and China demonstrating to the world, especially developing countries, that their economies were threatened by the United States, and that whenever economic sanctions could be imposed, the BRICS offered an alternative payment method for international transactions in the local currencies of fellow BRICS members. China and Russia also provided education to many developing countries to strengthen their local economies by reducing dependence on the dollar. Furthermore, they also integrated dollar-free payment systems.

Ultimately, the primary determinant is a country's priorities in its national interests. Even within the same region, different countries will have different decision-making styles. There are no permanent friends or enemies; there are only permanent interests.

[Synchronice]

By the way, it's very interesting to see what BRICS will achieve. Them being strong will really reshape the global order but will it be for better or for worse? Will the quality of life improve in BRICS countries if they become less dependent on the western world? I don't think so.

Multipolar world is the normal world that has been the situation for thousands of years compared to unipolar world that is abnormal and barely lasted 20-30 years. So I believe that BRICS and generally any attempt at helping the establishment of an actual World Order is a good thing.

Whether the quality of life of individuals in each country is going to improve or not depends on the government the people choose. If it is a competent one, then yes it will improve.
For example read what I explained here 4 months ago. Now tell me how many competent governments among the almost 200 countries in the world took advantage of such opportunities? (some users posted some examples in that topic itself) In this small example, something like BRICS can only help but it still needs competent people in office to actually take advantage and change policies, strike deals with other countries, etc. to improve things.

Both, multipolar and unipolar words have their pros and cons but I feel like unipolar will be the winner in the end. Globalism is inevitable to my mind because English is one of the easiest language (at least for me) to learn, it's widely spoken outside of China (and Chinese is very hard to learn for the rest of the world), informational technologies also connect people very much, the next generation grows less masculine (in a good way) compared to older generation, I bet less people want to go in war these days than it was before because today you have a comfortable life and there is nothing to fight for while in the past, the quality of life was terrible, people were less educated and were brainwashed with war motivations.

[Muba20]

By the way, it's very interesting to see what BRICS will achieve. Them being strong will really reshape the global order but will it be for better or for worse? Will the quality of life improve in BRICS countries if they become less dependent on the western world? I don't think so.

Multipolar world is the normal world that has been the situation for thousands of years compared to unipolar world that is abnormal and barely lasted 20-30 years. So I believe that BRICS and generally any attempt at helping the establishment of an actual World Order is a good thing.

Unipolar world will not last long, many people find it difficult to expect change of the power that has been ruled alone for the past 20-30 years. If the change will not happen today but tomorrow, as history has shown. It may take a little longer, but it is certain that change will happen. I think the emergence of an alliance like BRICS to rebalance the balance of global power should be seen positively. This alliance will help bring fairness and balance to the world. We cannot guarantee that only the countries that are part of the alliance will improve their quality of life. But it can definitely create an opportunity for everyone. Those who can utilize this opportunity will definitely benefit from it. Global political stability is not equal for everywhere. If leaders want to lead their countries honestly, then through BRICS they will be able to use this opportunity to develop the country. No alliance can ever do that for the development of a country unless that country comes forward on its own. BRICS can open up an economic and trade path that countries benefit from if they embrace it. But it will require competent leadership.

[pooya87]

Anti-Western narratives are now spreading all over the world and even in Europe there is a lot of pro-communist sentiment.

Communism is just as dead as liberalism. They are both terrible and as oppressive.
The alternative to the bloodthirsty West is not communism either.

You are indeed trying to reason coherently, but you are a leftist who has read communist propaganda and is spreading anti-Western and pro-terrorist propaganda.

No I'm not pro-NATO since last I checked the only organization that armed terrorists was NATO...
Or you haven't read the Timber Sycamore files or listen to Tulsi Gabbard, ie the United States Director of National Intelligence who literally confessed that it was US regime that armed al-Qaeda!

Both, multipolar and unipolar words have their pros and cons but I feel like unipolar will be the winner in the end. Globalism is inevitable to my mind because English is one of the easiest language (at least for me) to learn, it's widely spoken outside of China

Globalism is another "ism" that is dead. It is not possible to have it in the way the West wanted (a cloning factory where no culture exists except the filthy thing West wants and everyone thinks and acts the same way). That may work in places where there was no culture or civilization to begin with like EU or US itself, but when they move eastward and start facing ancient civilizations like Iran, China or even Egypt they stop right there.

The part about interdependence is another matter and it will happen naturally and it can happen in a multi-polar world were multiple "power blocs" exist and deal with each other. Using English to communicate doesn't change that.

[farsky]

You are indeed trying to reason coherently, but you are a leftist who has read communist propaganda and is spreading anti-Western and pro-terrorist propaganda.

No I'm not pro-NATO since last I checked the only organization that armed terrorists was NATO...
Or you haven't read the Timber Sycamore files or listen to Tulsi Gabbard, ie the United States Director of National Intelligence who literally confessed that it was US regime that armed al-Qaeda!

good move, and funny. you are making NATO look like terrorists, although NATO only intervenes in the situation in specific places. NATO as a whole is cowardly and useless.
At the same time, you support Arab terrorists created with the participation of the USSR and China and sincerely believe in the genocide in Gaza, preferring to ignore the mass murders in other countries.

Both, multipolar and unipolar words have their pros and cons but I feel like unipolar will be the winner in the end. Globalism is inevitable to my mind because English is one of the easiest language (at least for me) to learn, it's widely spoken outside of China

Globalism is another "ism" that is dead. It is not possible to have it in the way the West wanted (a cloning factory where no culture exists except the filthy thing West wants and everyone thinks and acts the same way). That may work in places where there was no culture or civilization to begin with like EU or US itself, but when they move eastward and start facing ancient civilizations like Iran, China or even Egypt they stop right there.

The part about interdependence is another matter and it will happen naturally and it can happen in a multi-polar world were multiple "power blocs" exist and deal with each other. Using English to communicate doesn't change that.

which underlines my correct conclusions that you are a hater of the West.

your appeal to ancient civilizations is also half true and half manipulative. Ancient Egypt and Iran are no more, their ancient culture was lost after the conquest of the countries by Islam. Coptic and Pahlavi are dead (the languages of ancient Egypt and Persia)
Besides, you have exposed yourself as an opponent of globalization. All the nations and tribes of the world are gradually uniting.
Only those countries that want to preserve their neighbors in a situation of hostility are anti-globalists.
For example, Iran is trying to prevent Saudi Arabia and Israel from getting closer.

and everyone thinks and acts the same way

You are confusing it with communism. However, I understand that this resonates with you more.

ps.

That may work in places where there was no culture or civilization to begin with like EU or US

As for your statement where you say that the EU never had culture and civilization... well, you have once again revealed yourself as a rabid hater of the West and even a racist.
Hmm, I didn't think I'd find such furiously angry and embittered people in the English-language threads.

ps2. if you are really Iranian, I can tell you a lot about Iran.. if you want it of course )))

[Abiky]

Not to mention, when over 46% of the world is now part of BRICs and over 56% population is part of BRICs even the US knows that it's over exercised power is frightening with the Brics growing this fast in the last decades. Having to partner with more countries I even more signs that it's not to be compared with the EU in the nearest decade.

Europe might still look strong or okay in most people's eyes for now till the changes begin to have effect, just like you added Pooya87 they are lossing the spotlight already the demonstration in china is a hint that isn't widely understood by many, only those with four sights understand what the Chinese government is saying in action.

BRICS can add as many members as it wants, but will it be able to sustain itself forever? I doubt it. I believe the bloc will get smaller in the long run, as most member states (countries) will abandon it due to poor economic performance. Only China and Russia will survive due to their economic strength. At least, that's what I think will happen in the future. But rising "de-dollarization" efforts could change the game. Only if they prove to be a success.

So far, the US is the world's leading superpower. Even though it's declining, the USD is still used for global trade. It's the largest reserve currency of the world. This won't change for a while. It'll take decades, before the whole world moves to another currency. BRICS or no BRICS, we will live in a multipolar world for a long, long time.

[pooya87]

BRICS can add as many members as it wants, but will it be able to sustain itself forever? I doubt it. I believe the bloc will get smaller in the long run, as most member states (countries) will abandon it due to poor economic performance. Only China and Russia will survive due to their economic strength. At least, that's what I think will happen in the future. But rising "de-dollarization" efforts could change the game. Only if they prove to be a success.

The fact that more countries are joining BRICS and even more are showing interest to join, shows that there are a lot of benefits in dedollarisation and the multipolar world and they all see it. In the future, the members can definitely change. Some may go away seeking interests elsewhere, some can be kicked out as dead weight, some new members can join but everything will be constantly changing until the World Order is finally established. That's the nature of transitional phase. In fact this is one of the reasons why BRICS is moving ahead not as fast as we hope.

[Synchronice]

Globalism is another "ism" that is dead. It is not possible to have it in the way the West wanted (a cloning factory where no culture exists except the filthy thing West wants and everyone thinks and acts the same way). That may work in places where there was no culture or civilization to begin with like EU or US itself, but when they move eastward and start facing ancient civilizations like Iran, China or even Egypt they stop right there.

The part about interdependence is another matter and it will happen naturally and it can happen in a multi-polar world were multiple "power blocs" exist and deal with each other. Using English to communicate doesn't change that.

As you say, it would work in places where there was no culture, like EU but why would you say that about EU? Greece, Italy, Spain, France... These countries are in EU. There was a culture in this countries and there still is. The problem is that politicians accept lots of unwanted asylum seekers who then do all kind of bad things in the country, they are the ones that ruin EU, thanks to the EU politicians who try their best to ruin everything.

China is ancient civilizations but Egypt? Modern Egypt is not old Egypt. Is modern Iran descendant of ancient Iran? As far as I know, no, but I'm not 100% sure, you know it better than me.

[Gost ms]

By the way, it's very interesting to see what BRICS will achieve. Them being strong will really reshape the global order but will it be for better or for worse? Will the quality of life improve in BRICS countries if they become less dependent on the western world? I don't think so.

In your opinion, a world where power is only in the hands of 1 superpower or 1 single bloc, and they abuse it to create benefits for themselves without caring about the consequences it causes to others. Or they are ready to attack anyone if someone does not please them or does not obey their orders. Would it be better than a world, where power was evenly distributed, where there were no dictators, no bullies, where people had more rights and choices?

To be fair, we don't know whether the rise of BRICS and the reshaping of the global order will be better or worse for us. But in theory, a multipolar world, where power is not concentrated in one person, where people can express their opinions and make choices based on their desires without coercion or fear, would be much better than a world of dictators and abusers of power.

Instead of doubting whether BRICS makes the world a better place, why don't we ask? Why do more and more countries want to reduce their dependence on the USD and join BRICS? If the US and NATO are really good guys, why would people want to leave and run away from them?

It will never be right to transfer power to one person. Because when a person has power, that person will do whatever he wants, when someone wants to go against him, he will attack that person's country. If power is distributed among everyone, then it will be good for everyone. If one person is limited in the middle, then after a while there may be no democracy. As we can see, some countries are currently creating a lot of pressure on other countries. We are seeing many such things currently.

[pooya87]

Globalism is another "ism" that is dead. It is not possible to have it in the way the West wanted (a cloning factory where no culture exists except the filthy thing West wants and everyone thinks and acts the same way). That may work in places where there was no culture or civilization to begin with like EU or US itself, but when they move eastward and start facing ancient civilizations like Iran, China or even Egypt they stop right there.

The part about interdependence is another matter and it will happen naturally and it can happen in a multi-polar world were multiple "power blocs" exist and deal with each other. Using English to communicate doesn't change that.

As you say, it would work in places where there was no culture, like EU but why would you say that about EU? Greece, Italy, Spain, France... These countries are in EU. There was a culture in this countries and there still is. The problem is that politicians accept lots of unwanted asylum seekers who then do all kind of bad things in the country, they are the ones that ruin EU, thanks to the EU politicians who try their best to ruin everything.

China is ancient civilizations but Egypt? Modern Egypt is not old Egypt. Is modern Iran descendant of ancient Iran? As far as I know, no, but I'm not 100% sure, you know it better than me.

Well we've all moved away from our old civilizations but less in the East compared to the West. I say that about EU mainly because of how they have turn themselves into tools in the hands of US which is destroying every culture and civilization in the world. Just look at the recent EU capitulation and how they just bend the knee in front of Trump and gave him everything they had, money, industries, dignity, ... We've even seen how US is even meddling in their internal affairs, even their elections!