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[Haunebu]

The question you asked is kinda the most hard evidence that there is nothing to safe. If Bennett didn't know, who in their right might would have paid a mod out of their own pocket?? Makes 0 sense and therefor there is nothing to explain since we all know this came straight from the top of winna.

Have no idea why anyone would still feel that there is a slight possibility it's someone else entirely when it's clear as day that Winna orchestrated the whole thing themselves. They weren't counting on Theymos stepping in to unravel the whole thing himself.

Their subreddit got banned for spam who themselves were banning doubters while Trustpilot removed them for fake reviews. That's a lot of evidence proving that they are filthy scammers who made it big primarily thanks to this forum sadly.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Have no idea why anyone would still feel that there is a slight possibility it's someone else entirely when it's clear as day that Winna orchestrated the whole thing themselves. They weren't counting on Theymos stepping in to unravel the whole thing himself.

Their subreddit got banned for spam who themselves were banning doubters while Trustpilot removed them for fake reviews. That's a lot of evidence proving that they are filthy scammers who made it big primarily thanks to this forum sadly.

Actually I don't think (or at least I hope it didn't) that bitcointalk had a big impact on their growth. I at least always showed what greedy mofos these guys were sharing all the latest user unfriendly moves they did, even while being in their fking campaign (and I was kicked for that, haha).
This coming to light finally opened the eyes of basically everyone here, maybe one person that loves them so much still supports them though  .
I wonder if OP will actually get banned of just keep the impressive selection of red trust he gathered in the past 2 weeks.

[rickez3]

Winna stole some of my money again. (also the deposit, which they are definitely not entitled to)

Hello jadfwe,
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We received an official notice from our supplier confirming that your account has been engaged in card counting activity, which is strictly prohibited under both our Terms of Service and the supplier’s Terms and Conditions.
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In accordance with our Terms of Service, the affected winnings have been voided and will not be paid out.
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As a result, your account will remain suspended. You will no longer have access to our games or any other benefits associated with your account.
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Thank you for your understanding.
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Best wishes,
Winna Team

Aria

Winna

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Winna stole some of my money again. (also the deposit, which they are definitely not entitled to)

Hello jadfwe,
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We received an official notice from our supplier confirming that your account has been engaged in card counting activity, which is strictly prohibited under both our Terms of Service and the supplier’s Terms and Conditions.
​

In accordance with our Terms of Service, the affected winnings have been voided and will not be paid out.
​

As a result, your account will remain suspended. You will no longer have access to our games or any other benefits associated with your account.
​

Thank you for your understanding.
​

Best wishes,
Winna Team

Aria

Winna

As bad as it sounds saying this but why the fk would you keep playing there, or even hold money on this site? Didn't you learn anything in the past weeks? These people are scammers, the games are most likely rigged and when you actually win they accuse of something like what you experienced. Just cut your losses, close your account and if you really need to gamble find a better site to do it.

[abel1337]

Winna stole some of my money again. (also the deposit, which they are definitely not entitled to)

Hello jadfwe,
​
We received an official notice from our supplier confirming that your account has been engaged in card counting activity, which is strictly prohibited under both our Terms of Service and the supplier’s Terms and Conditions.
​

In accordance with our Terms of Service, the affected winnings have been voided and will not be paid out.
​

As a result, your account will remain suspended. You will no longer have access to our games or any other benefits associated with your account.
​

Thank you for your understanding.
​

Best wishes,
Winna Team

Aria

Winna

How come you got scammed "again". Can you share your thought process on why you deposit again on this casino? It is well known in this forum that they became scammers and would scrape the money you deposited on them. There are so many victims came out last month and I'm sure you are well aware of it because you is a victim as well.

I just don't get why would you still put your money on a casino that scammed you. Did they somehow convinced you or tricked you to put your money again on their casino?

[rickez3]

Winna stole some of my money again. (also the deposit, which they are definitely not entitled to)

Hello jadfwe,
​
We received an official notice from our supplier confirming that your account has been engaged in card counting activity, which is strictly prohibited under both our Terms of Service and the supplier’s Terms and Conditions.
​

In accordance with our Terms of Service, the affected winnings have been voided and will not be paid out.
​

As a result, your account will remain suspended. You will no longer have access to our games or any other benefits associated with your account.
​

Thank you for your understanding.
​

Best wishes,
Winna Team

Aria

Winna

How come you got scammed "again". Can you share your thought process on why you deposit again on this casino? It is well known in this forum that they became scammers and would scrape the money you deposited on them. There are so many victims came out last month and I'm sure you are well aware of it because you is a victim as well.

I just don't get why would you still put your money on a casino that scammed you. Did they somehow convinced you or tricked you to put your money again on their casino?

just to prove the point. im done now yea

[Ojima-ojo]

just to prove the point. im done now yea

How did it go, I am curious to know because of recent events with winna casino here in the forum, and now you are complaining about your unfair treatment from winna.

Did you deposit into the account that is now blocked or suspended?
If yes have you withdrawn the deposit before the account was suspended for card counting offense as stated in the support reply you post earlier.
                       

[panjul07]

just to prove the point. im done now yea

You have experienced problem here few times but you are still playing just to prove the point? I cant really understand it..
Normal gamblers will have stopped playing in a casino where they have bad experience once, are you really done because your account is suspended?
How if your account is not suspended? To be frank, I think you will keep playing here because maybe you have other reason.

[rickez3]

just to prove the point. im done now yea

You have experienced problem here few times but you are still playing just to prove the point? I cant really understand it..
Normal gamblers will have stopped playing in a casino where they have bad experience once, are you really done because your account is suspended?
How if your account is not suspended? To be frank, I think you will keep playing here because maybe you have other reason.

who knows. its not really any of your business anyway

[Ojima-ojo]

just to prove the point. im done now yea

You have experienced problem here few times but you are still playing just to prove the point? I cant really understand it..
Normal gamblers will have stopped playing in a casino where they have bad experience once, are you really done because your account is suspended?
How if your account is not suspended? To be frank, I think you will keep playing here because maybe you have other reason.

who knows. its not really any of your business anyway

Mate you have to calm down to explain and get community support on your report, being aggressive won't help your case in any ways and besides, panjul07 didn't say anything wrong other than advice for you and others who may find themselves in your situation right now.


You avoided my question of if there was a deposit on the account and wether their at winna allowed you to withdraw your deposit before blocking the account?

[OcTradism]

Mate you have to calm down to explain and get community support on your report, being aggressive won't help your case in any ways and besides, panjul07 didn't say anything wrong other than advice for you and others who may find themselves in your situation right now.


You avoided my question of if there was a deposit on the account and wether their at winna allowed you to withdraw your deposit before blocking the account?

You guys both need to calm down in my opinion.

Because Winna's account, bennettwinna has been no longer active in this forum. Since July 22 2026, that account was offline so far.

Assuming that if the casino is not scam, the representative will be here to explained but with Winna, there are accusations, not only about scams but also about a bribe to forum moderator, that account changed to inactive after writing this last post.

If it is actually, how many complaints here from now will not make any sense and will not change anything for users.

[Itz-prisigold]

just to prove the point. im done now yea

You have experienced problem here few times but you are still playing just to prove the point? I cant really understand it..
Normal gamblers will have stopped playing in a casino where they have bad experience once, are you really done because your account is suspended?
How if your account is not suspended? To be frank, I think you will keep playing here because maybe you have other reason.

This may not be funny but am actually laughing while reading your comment .
Seriously though, how can you be seeing all these scam accusation threads about Winna and you're still using the platform? A reasonable gambler will not only stop using the casino just for the time being, but they will completely avoid anything that have to do with a casino that is repeatedly being accused of scamming people of their hard earned money.

About a month ago, I was scammed on a gambling platform, and I will admit that part of it was my fault because I did not take time to read the feedbacks beforehand. And after I lose a reasonable amount of money I did not only delete the app, I actually reported the gambling site and drop a detailed review on how I was scammed. That was when i discovered a lot of users had shared similar experience. So after going through that kind of terrible experience, there's no way I will keep using the same platform.

[Kavelj22]

just to prove the point. im done now yea

How did it go, I am curious to know because of recent events with winna casino here in the forum, and now you are complaining about your unfair treatment from winna.

Did you deposit into the account that is now blocked or suspended?
If yes have you withdrawn the deposit before the account was suspended for card counting offense as stated in the support reply you post earlier.
                       

But what kind of accusations is this "card-counting" accusation? Can anyone check the Winna TOS about something called card counting to be prohibited? But what does this mean at first place? And how the system or the provider part can detect a mental calculation and consider it a flag? I don't think I am missing the important part of the story here. It is always the suspected casinos who ise this accusation to cover the scam plan.

If there are no tools detected to be used to manipulate the system, this blatant nonsense essentially means forbidding people from using their minds. I came across this concept "Cards Counting" few times but couldn't yet figure it out to know the exact the right meaning. And where this clearly mentioned in the TOS?

[rdluffy]

But what kind of accusations is this "card-counting" accusation? Can anyone check the Winna TOS about something called card counting to be prohibited? But what does this mean at first place? And how the system or the provider part can detect a mental calculation and consider it a flag? I don't think I am missing the important part of the story here. It is always the suspected casinos who ise this accusation to cover the scam plan.

If there are no tools detected to be used to manipulate the system, this blatant nonsense essentially means forbidding people from using their minds. I came across this concept "Cards Counting" few times but couldn't yet figure it out to know the exact the right meaning. And where this clearly mentioned in the TOS?

There’s a post where the Winna representative gave a more detailed answer about card counting:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562065.msg65911489#msg65911489

As far as I know, detection is handled by the service provider, such as Pragmatic, for example
That’s what they said

The TOS don’t mention anything specific about card counting, they only address it in general terms

[Kavelj22]

But what kind of accusations is this "card-counting" accusation? Can anyone check the Winna TOS about something called card counting to be prohibited? But what does this mean at first place? And how the system or the provider part can detect a mental calculation and consider it a flag? I don't think I am missing the important part of the story here. It is always the suspected casinos who ise this accusation to cover the scam plan.

If there are no tools detected to be used to manipulate the system, this blatant nonsense essentially means forbidding people from using their minds. I came across this concept "Cards Counting" few times but couldn't yet figure it out to know the exact the right meaning. And where this clearly mentioned in the TOS?

There’s a post where the Winna representative gave a more detailed answer about card counting:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5562065.msg65911489#msg65911489

As far as I know, detection is handled by the service provider, such as Pragmatic, for example
That’s what they said

The TOS don’t mention anything specific about card counting, they only address it in general terms

I read that detailed answer and it didn't convince me. What does that mean that card counting means the player isn't playing for entertainment? Card counting is a legit strategy used in every casino worldwide. The only explanation i can find is that users aren't allowed to use their brain, and the most excitement part is about how the system can detect such a brain activity. Isn't the player allowed to win the house?

Even so, the casino or the game provider shouldn't confiscate all player's winnings in this way. Why we don't hear about such strange news in other major casinos.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

I read that detailed answer and it didn't convince me. What does that mean that card counting means the player isn't playing for entertainment? Card counting is a legit strategy used in every casino worldwide. The only explanation i can find is that users aren't allowed to use their brain, and the most excitement part is about how the system can detect such a brain activity. Isn't the player allowed to win the house?

Even so, the casino or the game provider shouldn't confiscate all player's winnings in this way. Why we don't hear about such strange news in other major casinos.

Card counting is basically useless online for so many reasons. If a casino gives this excuse they simply don't want to pay, that's all. Just google it, everywhere you will find the same information because the games are set up the way that you can't make a profit counting cards, simple as that.
There is a HUGE difference between online BJ and real casino BJ.

[slaman29]

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The TOS don’t mention anything specific about card counting, they only address it in general terms

Yeah I guess no casino does. This is all covered as part of general clause like unfair play, professional use (as opposed to private use), advantage play etc or whatever casinos call it. 5.3 covers it with 'fraud, misuse' and Tos 9 covers it with 'Fair Play and Betting Behavior'.

I'm not defending winna, just trying to help show where casinos, and ALL casinos, will use it if they encounter this.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around card counting behavior online where there is really no good opportunity to do so with so many shuffles and decks lol

[rdluffy]

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The TOS don’t mention anything specific about card counting, they only address it in general terms

Yeah I guess no casino does. This is all covered as part of general clause like unfair play, professional use (as opposed to private use), advantage play etc or whatever casinos call it. 5.3 covers it with 'fraud, misuse' and Tos 9 covers it with 'Fair Play and Betting Behavior'.

I'm not defending winna, just trying to help show where casinos, and ALL casinos, will use it if they encounter this.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around card counting behavior online where there is really no good opportunity to do so with so many shuffles and decks lol

Yes, I’ve heard many times that card counting at online casinos doesn’t work

As the casinos point out, they aren’t the ones who monitor this, it’s the software providers
What’s likely to trigger a flag is a string of wins or, over the long term, more wins than losses for the casino, something like that
They obviously don’t reveal the details, but the algorithm must have something similar to that to trigger the flag

[Kavelj22]

I read that detailed answer and it didn't convince me. What does that mean that card counting means the player isn't playing for entertainment? Card counting is a legit strategy used in every casino worldwide. The only explanation i can find is that users aren't allowed to use their brain, and the most excitement part is about how the system can detect such a brain activity. Isn't the player allowed to win the house?

Even so, the casino or the game provider shouldn't confiscate all player's winnings in this way. Why we don't hear about such strange news in other major casinos.

Card counting is basically useless online for so many reasons. If a casino gives this excuse they simply don't want to pay, that's all. Just google it, everywhere you will find the same information because the games are set up the way that you can't make a profit counting cards, simple as that.
There is a HUGE difference between online BJ and real casino BJ.

Does this mean that card counting in online BJ is impossible? An honest provider should at least explain how the system can detect it? I can't imagine how this can be algorithmically programmed. Also i don't believe that the game provider is the part detecting and flagging the matter.

And if "card counting" warrants punishment, why isn't it stipulated in the terms of use like other mentioned conditions? It is a lie that is used as a pretext to stop users who are lucky to win many times, plus scamming their winnings, plus kick it out definitely from the casino.

[Zwei]

Does this mean that card counting in online BJ is impossible?

technically you can count cards in online blackjack, but is it worth the time and money? absolutely fucking not. one will make more money begging on the streets.
you will need to sit there for a shit amount of hours counting cards to find a shoe with a true count high enough to give you an edge, but you will only be able to make a few bets before they reshuffle after dealing 4 or 5 decks.

i'm kinda terrible at explaining this, so you can watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjiVpO1hlvk. it pretty much goes into all the details why online card counting is so ridiculous when a casino accuses someone of doing it cause you won't make money trying to do it.

An honest provider should at least explain how the system can detect it? I can't imagine how this can be algorithmically programmed.

the provider have all the table data, so they can calculate the true count for every hand and compare it to each player betting pattern.

And if "card counting" warrants punishment, why isn't it stipulated in the terms of use like other mentioned conditions?

they like to keep the "fraud" and "unfair edge" terms vague on purpose so they can bend them to use in all situations however they like.