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April 03, 2014, 03:32:47 PM
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Are you angry about the IRS declaring Bitcoin property?
Me too! Sign this white house petition and lets see if we can veto this IRS crap!

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/amend-irs-notice-2014-2taxing-virtual-currencybitcoin-property-stifles-new-technologycreates/z7WtKZGY
SHARE THIS THREAD. SPREAD THE PETITION.

Maybe we could put this on Facebook and tell everybody if they repost to their wall or LIKE it 1 million times that Facebook will abolish the IRS silly rules </sarcasm>
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April 03, 2014, 05:51:11 PM
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Maybe taxing bitcoin is not as bad as it seams at the first sight. Once it get taxed people will be aware that is legal ,they will trust it more,buy it,make its value grow.

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April 03, 2014, 05:57:25 PM
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The WH (POTUS) has zero control of the You Owe us everything u own, owned, might own, or thought about owning.

I only have a signature because I'm allowed.
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April 03, 2014, 06:11:33 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=538500.msg6054625#msg6054625
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April 03, 2014, 06:17:30 PM
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Dear OP

Serious response, not a smartass one so don't take it out of context amid the other snarky ones (why is it I start picking up Britisms when I'm in La?)

Here's the thing you're apparently missing in your clearly well intended attempt to petition the government and air your grievances as is our Constitutional right.

1. First and foremost, the entire founding principle of bitcoin platform, as offered by Satoshi Nakamoto back in the day, is essentially that the IRS has no jurisdiction over bitcoin. More to the point, it has no enforceable jurisdiction over bitcoin. Its only means of control is over fiat currency.

2. By making any attempt to work with the IRS, you are basically saying you neither understand the point and purpose of bitcoin, nor believe in it as the disruptive technology that it is and any concessions to a central government or authority is to weaken the entire foundation of bitcoin, and there are far too many in the network who will never allow it to happen.

3. No matter the cause, no government gives one rat's ass about an online petition. It's hard enough to get Netflix to bring back Jericho.

4. In any case, bitcoin and fiat IRS enforced dollars will always be at odds. It's one thing (for now) to put in some fiat and watch it escalate in value and then cash out back to fiat and go buy stuff - and the IRS is fine letting that happen because they can tax that fiat. Their ruling isn't that big a deal in the short term or the long term because a) short term, it's not a threat and they can collect taxes on it however they classify it and only from those who actually care to comply with it, and b) in the long term bitcoin IS a threat to fiat currency global wide but by the time it's mainstream accepted and the 51% balance of users understand and invest in it as a "secondary" currency, they will also be seeing the value of the dollar nosedive and be worth less and less...meanwhile, watching their bitcoin make more powerful purchases...and if the government attempts to issue bans and all that crap then, the people will vote fiat out of existence by moving 100% to bitcoin because they can, collapsing the corrupt vein of the government.

Again bitcoin IS disruptive...to the entire paradigm of how we've all been conditioned to accept things.

5. bitcoin offers you a real choice, not a theoretical one. A simple real choice maintains the momentum of the disruption long term.

Scrap the petition and invest in bitcoin. Tell people about bitcoin, get them interested and investing...and don't ask permission from the government.

The government's jurisdiction ends with bitcoin.

You say "anti government" like that's a bad thing...

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April 03, 2014, 06:27:07 PM
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Government isn't going anywhere.  Regulation can only go so far with something as decentralized as Bitcoin, but it will be there. Taxation isn't going anywhere.  

The libertarians and/or anarchists who believe that Bitcoin is somehow the "perfect weapon" to "stick it to the man" will all be sadly disappointed because it isn't their coin and it isn't their technology anymore.

They will be marginalized to the fringes where they belong (and want to be).  In fact, that marginalization has already begun.  Individuals like Andreas Antonopoulos and his ilk will be hushed down to a murmur because mature people willing to fit within the framework of society will adapt Bitcoin into an acceptable fit for what it is most capable of doing: reforming the current banking system / payment processing platforms.
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April 03, 2014, 06:35:51 PM
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Government isn't going anywhere.  Regulation can only go so far with something as decentralized as Bitcoin, but it will be there. Taxation isn't going anywhere.  

The libertarians and/or anarchists who believe that Bitcoin is somehow the "perfect weapon" to "stick it to the man" will all be sadly disappointed because it isn't their coin and it isn't their technology anymore.

They will be marginalized to the fringes where they belong.  In fact, it has already begun.  Individuals like Andreas Antonopoulos and his ilk will be hushed down to a murmur because mature people willing to fit within the framework of society will adapt Bitcoin into an acceptable fit for what it is most capable of doing: reforming the current banking system / payment processing platforms.


Dream on.  Grin

You say "anti government" like that's a bad thing...

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April 03, 2014, 07:59:13 PM
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Government isn't going anywhere.  Regulation can only go so far with something as decentralized as Bitcoin, but it will be there. Taxation isn't going anywhere.  

The libertarians and/or anarchists who believe that Bitcoin is somehow the "perfect weapon" to "stick it to the man" will all be sadly disappointed because it isn't their coin and it isn't their technology anymore.

They will be marginalized to the fringes where they belong (and want to be).  In fact, that marginalization has already begun.  Individuals like Andreas Antonopoulos and his ilk will be hushed down to a murmur because mature people willing to fit within the framework of society will adapt Bitcoin into an acceptable fit for what it is most capable of doing: reforming the current banking system / payment processing platforms.
Clueless government sheep detected.

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April 04, 2014, 04:44:19 AM
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Fuck you. You incompetent prick. You know nothing.
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April 04, 2014, 04:50:02 AM
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Err, that was a joke dude. He was just mocking OP...

Take a deep breath.

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April 04, 2014, 05:13:22 AM
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Perhaps you should consider what those tax dollars you love paying so much are being used for.  If that sits well with you, then continue to "love" paying them.  Hell, give them some extra, just to be sure they don't hassle you.

Do you have any other choice? Tax evasion is extremely risky. That is why I am paying the taxes, although I don't agree with the concept.
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April 04, 2014, 06:41:01 AM
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Perhaps you should consider what those tax dollars you love paying so much are being used for.  If that sits well with you, then continue to "love" paying them.  Hell, give them some extra, just to be sure they don't hassle you.

Do you have any other choice? Tax evasion is extremely risky. That is why I am paying the taxes, although I don't agree with the concept.

Civil disobedience has never been without risk... and never been more necessary in the world today.  No positive change ever happened without it!

Ya gotta ask yourself, where is your line in the sand?  

- State sponsored torture
- endless unfounded wars of aggression, just for profit of an elite few
- terrorizing of sovereign countries through relentless drone attacks
- government sponsored kill lists
- the shredding of the constitution
- the absolute thievery of the poor & middle classes wealth
- the relentless, unending thievery of wealth through inflation
- ubiquitous spying on every little detail of our lives
- TSA
- forced vaccinations
- forced "health care"...

Hell, you can even be jailed now for capturing rainwater on your own land.  

Growing your own food, living off the grid, & refusing to vaccinate your children makes you a "suspected terrorist" in the land of the free.

(need I go on?)

That is what you're voting for when you use the Federal Reserve note.  That is what you're enabling when you send in those tax dollars.

Just how bad does it get before you say, ENOUGH!

That line for me was crossed long ago.  Get out of the country if you can, and renunciate citizenship.

If you can't do that, then use every tool at your disposal for non-violent civil disobedience.  Refuse to feed this monster any longer at any and all cost.

Refuse to use the Federal Reserve Note.  Do your biz in Gold, silver, copper, & crypto currencies... (And sleep well at night, knowing your wealth didn't enable torturing or killing of anyone today.)





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