is this forum allowing known scammers and ban evaders to operate freely?

[baneveryone]

this scammer have four accounts: "Mastercon," "rsarkar," "bitterbit," and "coaltin.". however, i see three of these accounts roaming forum as if they are innocent.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5546694.msg65481297#msg65481297 is proof  that "Mastercon" has been banned. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5545502.msg65441354#msg65441354 is proof a legendary member has uncovered all their accounts through advanced blockchain analysis. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1518069.msg15280655#msg15280655 is undeniable proof that he scammed someone.


here are other crimes committed by this scammer.

LOL, I'm not against Mastercon, and I’m not jealous of them either. I just think Mastercon and TOTALLY not his other account should be permanently banned until Sun is gone. He intentionally leaves out his other "mistake," which includes literally scamming people, lol. Here are some of his "mistakes".

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5545502.msg65441354#msg65441354
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5335270.msg65428902#msg65428902
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5545502.msg65441532#msg65441532
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg65472031#msg65472031
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5482297.msg65432782#msg65432782
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5506921.msg65401908#msg65401908
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030169.msg65425243#msg65425243
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5546610.msg65478241#msg65478241
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5546126.msg65462028#msg65462028
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1702409.msg17067577#msg17067577
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1518069.msg15280655#msg15280655

I want to request that those scammer be banned until Sun is gone.

[Apocollapse]

I don't see it's a big deal even though ban evaders deserved to be banned.

If they want to create a thread related to money, people already know those accounts have been red tagged and should be avoided. I would worry more if there's an undiscovered alt accounts or he create a new account to scam.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Do you think that a ban will solve the situation with these accounts? I think it is not difficult to guess that if someone is so stubborn, they will find a way to return to the forum with a new name but with old habits. Therefore, in this case, and all similar situations, there is no point in a ban. All accounts have negative tags, which are great at scaring everyone away from having any connection with them. A new account bought or created, but in the same hands, is much more dangerous than an old and well-known scammer.

[ABCbits]

Do you think that a ban will solve the situation with these accounts? I think it is not difficult to guess that if someone is so stubborn, they will find a way to return to the forum with a new name but with old habits. Therefore, in this case, and all similar situations, there is no point in a ban. All accounts have negative tags, which are great at scaring everyone away from having any connection with them. A new account bought or created, but in the same hands, is much more dangerous than an old and well-known scammer.

I partially disagree with you. I've seen scammer (who have high rank and have some negative tags) add scam website on his signature and write non-spam post on board that doesn't show trust number. If those scammer are banned and forced to make new account, at least they can't use big-sized signature or attach image without additional effort (such as obtaining merit or spending money on copper member).

[SamReomo]

I partially disagree with you. I've seen scammer (who have high rank and have some negative tags) add scam website on his signature and write non-spam post on board that doesn't show trust number. If those scammer are banned and forced to make new account, at least they can't use big-sized signature or attach image without additional effort (such as obtaining merit or spending money on copper member).

Well, that scammer's reputation is already ruined and with such reputation even applying a signature of scam website won't help him/her much. Banning accounts of such scammers is going to put so much burden on the shoulders of the admins/moderators and even with bans they can still create new accounts and find ways to continue their old habits. Although, you're also right that they may need to buy copper membership to embed images in the posts but still that won't help the forum in any positive way.

[DPHOR]

Do you think that a ban will solve the situation with these accounts? I think it is not difficult to guess that if someone is so stubborn, they will find a way to return to the forum with a new name but with old habits. Therefore, in this case, and all similar situations, there is no point in a ban. All accounts have negative tags, which are great at scaring everyone away from having any connection with them. A new account bought or created, but in the same hands, is much more dangerous than an old and well-known scammer.

I partially disagree with you. I've seen scammer (who have high rank and have some negative tags) add scam website on his signature and write non-spam post on board that doesn't show trust number. If those scammer are banned and forced to make new account, at least they can't use big-sized signature or attach image without additional effort (such as obtaining merit or spending money on copper member).

I agreed with @ABCbits, Of course banning them will cause more harm to them because when they think of the rank they lose in the short range and starting over would be a big task for them, and of a true they wouldn't be free to attach images due to some newbie restrictions, and like I know no newbie would want to spend a penny of theirs to get a copper member knowing too well that they are looking for money from victims over here. Again, No one would want to give such newbie merits knowing that they don't have good intention on forum rather writing in the purpose of scamming people here.

[GeorgeJohn]

I partially disagree with you. I've seen scammer (who have high rank and have some negative tags) add scam website on his signature and write non-spam post on board that doesn't show trust number. If those scammer are banned and forced to make new account, at least they can't use big-sized signature or attach image without additional effort (such as obtaining merit or spending money on copper member).

Well, that scammer's reputation is already ruined and with such reputation even applying a signature of scam website won't help him/her much. Banning accounts of such scammers is going to put so much burden on the shoulders of the admins/moderators and even with bans they can still create new accounts and find ways to continue their old habits. Although, you're also right that they may need to buy copper membership to embed images in the posts but still that won't help the forum in any positive way.

When you caught a thief and torture that thief very well, when the thief come to the environment they tortured him or her, it will not commit what makes people to maltreat him or her for second time, because the thief knew that next step those people that tortured him/ her before it will not to commit a similar crime again

For the aspects of the forum, if a scammer is be caught and ban, if the scammer come again I don't think that the scammer will like to scam again, I'm of the opinion that everyone that is been noted as a scammer should be ban, even though the person open a new account I don't think it will scam with the new account.

[Mia Chloe]

I partially disagree with you. I've seen scammer (who have high rank and have some negative tags) add scam website on his signature and write non-spam post on board that doesn't show trust number. If those scammer are banned and forced to make new account, at least they can't use big-sized signature or attach image without additional effort (such as obtaining merit or spending money on copper member).

Yeah this is true but the fact is how many people can be ban effectively? let's not forget the fact that the trust system is not a 100% crystal.... Though scammers can be tagged negatively, sometimes genuine newbies that don't understand what the trust count means can fall victim of their schemes.

this scammer have four accounts.

Firstly I didn't bother opening the link. Users here will easily consider you an alt. If there is concrete evidence that a person breaks the forum rules resulting a ban penalty then eventually he'll be banned.

[nutildah]

The mods are fairly strict when it comes to banning alt accounts for ban evasion, meaning there has to be a direct link on the forum which has not yet been deleted or altered. In this case, yes, the remaining 3 accounts are ban evading after the banning of Mastercoin. Another alt, rslskr, has also been banned.

So if you can find any instances of any of these accounts using the social media credentials or addresses of each other, that would be sufficient proof for a ban. Sharing the same wallet or depositing to and from the addresses of alts is not enough for a ban (but it is often enough for a red tag, IMO).

[lovesmayfamilis]

Again, No one would want to give such newbie merits knowing that they don't have good intention on forum rather writing in the purpose of scamming people here.

Did I say that you shouldn't ban scammers' accounts? I said that it doesn't make sense. Buying an account to continue scamming is not a problem for such people. Do you think that scammers deliberately grow their accounts to the rank of a hero and only then turn into bad people? In the same way, getting merit for them is equivalent to getting merit for a simple newbie; they will not tell you about their intentions, as you say that you recognize them. However, moderators do not always ban accounts even of those users who violate the rules directly, for example, recent cases of plagiarism. Therefore, the decision will always remain with the moderators, and the tags left by DT will always serve as a warning. People should understand that their safety always depends on them and be cautious, checking not only links but also tags.

[Joy- maker]

Do you think that a ban will solve the situation with these accounts? I think it is not difficult to guess that if someone is so stubborn, they will find a way to return to the forum with a new name but with old habits. Therefore, in this case, and all similar situations, there is no point in a ban. All accounts have negative tags, which are great at scaring everyone away from having any connection with them. A new account bought or created, but in the same hands, is much more dangerous than an old and well-known scammer.

I partially disagree with you. I've seen scammer (who have high rank and have some negative tags) add scam website on his signature and write non-spam post on board that doesn't show trust number. If those scammer are banned and forced to make new account, at least they can't use big-sized signature or attach image without additional effort (such as obtaining merit or spending money on copper member).

sincerely speaking one thing a hate in this life is been scammed by someone, and it pain me a lot when ever I see other people who got scammed by scammers. so in this case I have to agree with what @ABCbits said for scammers to get banned from the forum. Normally if Those scammers are banned from the forum they will definitely return back to the forum with another name, but their old habits of scamming people will still be there no doubt, but they should get banned first, because if those scammers are banned from the forum for them to come back they have to creat new accounts, and they still have to put in efforts by creating good threads and making quality replies for them to obtain merit to grew there accounts which will take them some time to grew there accounts before they can start their scamming activities, especially if they are not good contributors in the forum. and secondly there are also some scammers with high ranks and negative tags and with scam website on their signature that can make  posts on a board where users trust aren't  display, and if a user who is just new to the forum is not careful enough he or she will go dealing with that scammer account, because of the high rank and end up been scammed, But if scammers are banned from the forum, especially those with high ranks reverse is the case, because a newbie account  hardly scam people this time around, because no user will like to have anybdeal with a newbie account.

[Perfectbaby]

So if you can find any instances of any of these accounts using the social media credentials or addresses of each other, that would be sufficient proof for a ban. Sharing the same wallet or depositing to and from the addresses of alts is not enough for a ban (but it is often enough for a red tag, IMO).

I so much love your judgement towards this and from what I have seen there is no enough strong evidence, because community (cycle of friends) can decide to trade together where the other person doesn't want to give their credentials to exchange or any other platforms to carry out trade but decided to trade over here ( or internally) on the forum. At this point all these people who goes into that trade could get banned for not having enough and a solidifying evidence that shows these accounts were alt of one person..

However, I can still remember that the forum still permits the use of multiple accounts, but not for cheating or scamming people or neither does it allow to share merits within them and or using to join same contest/campaign. Anyone who can maintain these rules can as well have multiple accounts.

[ABCbits]

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Well, that scammer's reputation is already ruined and with such reputation even applying a signature of scam website won't help him/her much.

I somewhat disagree. User Velkro used to wear signature about scam vanity address website for almost a decade while frequently post on "Beginners & Help" board.

Banning accounts of such scammers is going to put so much burden on the shoulders of the admins/moderators and even with bans they can still create new accounts and find ways to continue their old habits.

Do you you clarify how banning account is going to put so much burden? Do you mean reviewing the proof or something else?

this scammer have four accounts.

Firstly I didn't bother opening the link. Users here will easily consider you an alt. If there is concrete evidence that a person breaks the forum rules resulting a ban penalty then eventually he'll be banned.

OP present it in lazy way, so it's not surprising many member won't even look at it. But aside from what OP said, user "coaltin" also created many spam/AI generated posts where i reported some of them. Here's an example where all of them deleted by moderator,  It should be another reason for moderator to consider permanent ban.

[Doan9269]

I don't see it's a big deal even though ban evaders deserved to be banned.

If they want to create a thread related to money, people already know those accounts have been red tagged and should be avoided. I would worry more if there's an undiscovered alt accounts or he create a new account to scam.

My concern about all these is whether if everyone coming across any of those accounts will have the knowledge of checking tags on accounts or deal with anyone the same way, because the mentality of this is Bitcointalk and should be reliable and trusted, but not all of it's members are, when such account were left to exist and operate the more, some users may fall into their hands and make deals with them without knowing, I want to believe not everyone bringing offers to this forum or relating with others for anything has a good understanding of how the forum works, or know what a tag and review on user's profile means, once they violate the rules, then they should dance to its tune.

[Pablo-wood]

Banning accounts of such scammers is going to put so much burden on the shoulders of the admins/moderators and even with bans they can still create new accounts and find ways to continue their old habits. Although, you're also right that they may need to buy copper membership to embed images in the posts but still that won't help the forum in any positive way.

It will be more easier to deal with a newbie account that was created for the purpose of continuing an act that resulted in the ban of their previous account than a high ranked user on the forum even with their tag if they are not banned. If they should decide to buy a copper membership account so they can embed images then it will obviously be their loss because the account will eventually get tagged as well thereby losing its reputation.

[KingsDen]

Banning accounts of such scammers is going to put so much burden on the shoulders of the admins/moderators and even with bans they can still create new accounts and find ways to continue their old habits. Although, you're also right that they may need to buy copper membership to embed images in the posts but still that won't help the forum in any positive way.

It will be more easier to deal with a newbie account that was created for the purpose of continuing an act that resulted in the ban of their previous account than a high ranked user on the forum even with their tag if they are not banned. If they should decide to buy a copper membership account so they can embed images then it will obviously be their loss because the account will eventually get tagged as well thereby losing its reputation.

Do not be deceived, it is possible that some of the newbie accounts of scammers are being operated by well established members. So, there won't be any need to waste money in purchasing copper membership when they can actually send a merit from their established account. They can just acquire copper membership just to deceive their ignorant victims that they are official and honest. You know some newbies will think copper membership to be an equivalent of donators, moderators or staff (lol). It sounds funny but that's the reality.
About scam not being moderated. It's one of the smartest ideas of the admin. I wasn't comfortable with it some years ago but now I have thousands of reasons to support that.

[baneveryone]

Why are those scammers and ban evaders still allowed to operate freely? They continue to create posts even after I started this thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=907091;sa=showPosts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=528653;sa=showPosts

[yahoo62278]

Why are those scammers and ban evaders still allowed to operate freely? They continue to create posts even after I started this thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=907091;sa=showPosts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=528653;sa=showPosts

The reality is those accounts have been tagged and they will not be hired for any campaigns unless some silly bounty manager just doesn't care. Noone will risk a trade with them most likely, and if they were banned they would just create new accounts and try to stay hidden(probably already have). As it stands they can really do no harm and there are warnings for bounty managers to see. If you see these accounts registered in a sig or bounty campaign, message the manager and let them know, but I doubt you do.

[DYING_S0UL]

Hey mate ! Nobody said they were innocent! All of them are already painted with red tags! Don't you see that? They are good as dead IMO. Anyone who has the slightest idea of how the forum's feedback system works will ignore/avoid interacting users with red tags! But if these accounts are banned, they would just come back with new accounts and start their abuse again (I'm sure they do that too) which will cause more harm! Because this time, it would be hard to identify them! It's a mixed feeling for me actually! As for the posts these account are making, if they indeed are related to scam/spam, just use the "Report to Moderator" button. I'm sure the mods will take care of them in no time!

[KingsDen]

Hey mate ! Nobody said they were innocent! All of them are already painted with red tags! Don't you see that? They are good as dead IMO. Anyone who has the slightest idea of how the forum's feedback system works will ignore/avoid interacting users with red tags! But if these accounts are banned, they would just come back with new accounts and start their abuse again (I'm sure they do that too) which will cause more harm! Because this time, it would be hard to identify them! It's a mixed feeling for me actually! As for the posts these account are making, if they indeed are related to scam/spam, just use the "Report to Moderator" button. I'm sure the mods will take care of them in no time!

I read the other thread of Op where he compiled all the troll and self moderated threads of a notorious troll in the forum, he expected that the troll be banned for starting and abusing self moderation.
He again, he still complains of unbanned scammers.
If the forum is being moderated as Op wants, it means the moderators have to be paid as if they are doing full time job.