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April 03, 2014, 08:22:01 AM
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Last year in november when both bitcoin and altcoins where getting really good results I bought into bitcoin. The profits seemed amazing, and working in the IT I wanted to learn more about this coin, see if it could mean anything for me apart from making some profit.

I have experience with investing, I own quite an amount of stocks so I tought it would be interesting to see how bitcoin compares with the stock market.

I invested 500€, at the time bitcoin was around 800$. For me 500€ was not a big amount, it's quite small compared to what I have in stocks. But I knew that what I invested I should be prepared to lose.
Of that amount I put half into alt coins.
One of the altcoins being Quark. You all know that story, people were shouting on the forums it would break all records. Quark was by far my biggest disappointment. It was a very poor investment on my side that I should have seen coming. But that's easy to say now ofc.
After that I decided to convert all altcoins back to bitcoin. This must have been around Christmas. I didn't made really huge profits or losses with doing so, apart from the quarkcoin. I had invested 70€ in Quark, and lost about half of that. In % this is quite high a loss.

I waited for several months, following coinmarketcap. I enjoyed watching all developments, and learned that the markets where actually quite predictable. A coin that rose with 1000% was likely to drop far more in just a few days.
I learned that like Quarkcoin, there are still plenty of scams around that trick enough people into buying and then dump (pump & dump). Auroracoin was the latest I followed. I saw it rising to what? 40$? More? Now it's back to 2$, and all the way down people were shouting that people that sold were stupid.
I also learned that the course of, alt-coins especially, can be manipulated by selling really low or buying really high.
And I learned that even the big players here, are not safe for hackers. Many sites have been hacked, and many more will be. Even if you store your bitcoins safe & local, the price will still be affected every time there is a hack.
I never really liked the fact that half of the bitcoins are owned by 100 people. In this way bitcoin is not much different then "real" money, where half of the global money is owned by 100 people.

In stocks I have a few simple rules:
- if a stock drops 10% consider to sell
- if a stock drops 20% consider to sell or have good arguments why not
- if a stock doesn't give you any profit for 3 months it is unlikely it will give you profit over the course of the year, so consider to sell

For a while I ignored this wisdom, I think the volatility of the market did affect my judgement here. It fell to over 20% loss for a few times. At one point I had a 60% loss(!), after it dropped a few times.
I was waiting and holding, thinking that it does have some potential. Then the bancrupty of MtGox went down. I couldn't ignore it anymore, I hadn't made a loss, it was down 20% and there was no sign of any good news that would allow for a recovery.
I sold, the value was at that point 670$ I took a loss of 30%.

I did enjoy the time I played around with these virtual currencies. Bitcoins are a cool & nice toy, but that's what it is, and once people stop playing with it I don't think the market will hold.

Since then I did kept checking the market seeing red figures nearly every day, with the exception of a few pump & dumb coins. Right now it's at 450$ I believe, so I feel like I made the right decision.

I wanted to write down my story. You only read success story's, people who made huge profit, who got in near the start. I wanted to show that you shouldn't invest now to make a profit. Buy it to play with it sure and find out what this coin is that everyone talks about, but since your buying in late expect to make a loss.

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April 03, 2014, 08:27:50 AM
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This is like suffering through the ups and downs of four years of college, then dropping out the day before the final exam.
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April 03, 2014, 08:30:16 AM
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Jonivdb, Sorry to hear your at a loss! BTC is a long term investment, save your BTC for a rainy day (rainy day= BTC 2500usd) pay the elect. bill and keep on mining.  Grin

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April 03, 2014, 08:31:20 AM
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I'm gonna go with... because you're a weak hand like all the others jumping ship?

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April 03, 2014, 08:32:30 AM
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Newbie teaching everyone how to lose long-term......LOL?

How to win Big long-term:
1) Don't invest more than you can afford, AND save money to buy more when it goes lower.
2) Don't follow the crowd.
3) Don't quit early when VC money is pouring in like a flood.

Do enjoy the ride, and figure out how to Love what you do for money.

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April 03, 2014, 08:32:47 AM
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... and receive double-blowjobs from supermodels.

How would that work?  The mind boggles (in a good way) Smiley
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April 03, 2014, 08:35:57 AM
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... and receive double-blowjobs from supermodels.

How would that work?  The mind boggles (in a good way) Smiley

He might be talking about 2 supermodels at once, or...
Maybe one girl and his "best friend forever"  Shocked

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April 03, 2014, 08:40:27 AM
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Nah, It's like this,

Hey Babe, How ya doing?  Grin

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April 03, 2014, 08:41:38 AM
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You're doing it wrong, plain and simple. Don't let the door hit you on your way out, speculator.
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April 03, 2014, 08:44:13 AM
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You're doing it wrong, plain and simple. Don't let the door hit you on your way out, speculator.
I like this Better!  Grin It beats my pics  Smiley LOL

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April 03, 2014, 08:46:45 AM
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"I own quite an amount of stocks so I tought it would be interesting to see how bitcoin compares with the stock market."
OK but BITCOIN does not pay dividends.. Smiley
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April 03, 2014, 08:47:08 AM
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So, you are a short-term speculator.
The less of you are in the game, the better it is.

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New censorship-free forum by Roger Ver. Try it out.
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April 03, 2014, 08:49:16 AM
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Why did you post your speculation thread in the Bitcoin Discussion forum OP?
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April 03, 2014, 08:54:22 AM
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FeedbackLoop, I don't see him on line, maybe tomorrow he'll show up to comment. Or you could delete this entire thread! I say Buy BTC now and sat on it  Grin   

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April 03, 2014, 08:57:53 AM
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Why did you post your speculation thread in the Bitcoin Discussion forum OP?

It seems like it's in correct board now.
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April 03, 2014, 09:08:41 AM
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I don't understand the criticism being levelled at speculators.

A significant chunk of Bitcoin's value is driven by speculation. A significant amount of the money made many of us over the last year or two has been because of speculation. If you're happy with speculators buying and driving up the price, you have to be just as happy when they sell.

Side note: Clear a time to buy Smiley

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April 03, 2014, 10:59:10 AM
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I'm gonna go with... because you're a weak hand like all the others jumping ship?

You said it pretty good actually, a lot of people *are* infact jumping ship. Since I bailed out I've seen bitcoin dropping nearly every day, in total now 30%, that shows that there are a lot of people like me making a conscious decision. Don't mistake selling now with failing to make easy money. We sell because we make a decision based on facts, facts that some people here don't want/can't see.
This is no sudden crash prices are dropping slowly, and no new money is coming in with this bad news show going on. People are selling because they see problems popping up for bitcoin on a weekly basis, and it's been a while since there has been any good news.

Just like in any fancy piece of technology the early addopters started to leave so the tech eventually dies out. This happened to the walkman, that got replaced by the ipod, and this will happen to Bitcoin.

So don't be blind to what has been happening the last months, thinking it will go to incredible heights. Support bitcoin sure, but support it with words not with your children's inheritance.

Anyway it's everyone's own choice in the end, but I just want to warn everyone not to stare at bitcoin blindly and rather look at some of the facts.
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April 03, 2014, 11:00:46 AM
Last edit: April 03, 2014, 11:22:10 AM by Dalmar
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Bitcoin is good for trading the volatility. The buy and hodl days are over. You are doing it all wrong.


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April 03, 2014, 11:20:27 AM
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So, what did you end up buying with your Bitcoin currency OP?

First seastead company actually selling sea homes: Ocean Builders https://ocean.builders  Of course we accept bitcoin.
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April 03, 2014, 11:21:39 AM
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You don't get to walk away like this without being reminded that the price is still about 3 times higher than late last year, and many times higher than that compared to a full year ago. You fucked up. This is where we point and laugh and laugh and laugh.

Look inside yourself, and you will see that you are the bubble.
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