To have kids or not to? Your opinion from economy perspective

[moneystery]

I agree with the statement that parenting can be unfair to the child because of lack of preparedness whether financially or emotionally. Children who grow up without a way to follow tend to encounter difficulty in avoiding poverty cycles, this has been the case across time and geography. It does not imply that people must be rich to have children but planning, education, and mentoring help.

When one is not prepared to give that, then it is a good decision to remain child free. The moral of the storey is that parenting has more to do with giving birth to children and less about preparing them to actual opportunities.

Raising a child is not an easy job because you need to prepare everything to ensure that the child's needs, education, etc. are met, but many parents don't pay much attention to this, they only know how to have a child, but they don't prepare everything, so the child grows up lacking everything and has to struggle... even for many children they have to become the backbone of their family, and that is definitely burdensome and unfair for them.
As you said, you don't need to be rich just to have a child... a person just needs to make sure that they are prepared with everything the child needs and they understand what their responsibilities are, so that when the child is born, they don't inflict suffering on the child because of their failure as parents.

[In_cu_bent]

In my view everyone must have kids at least 2 but heavy too many kids means you won't be able to give proper time to all of them.

Looking at this figure, I understand the need for government birth control. If we imagine that all people will multiply by two in each generation, then this will lead to overpopulation of countries.
By the way, in China, it was recently allowed to have more than one child, I hope that they will be prudent and not cause an explosion in the birth rate.

In our country, birth control laws have been enacted long ago but they have not been strictly enforced in practice. We have heard the slogan of not having more than two children, one is better, since childhood, but so far this slogan has not been implemented in our country. In various countries of the world including China and Japan, strict laws are made on birth control and their people follow them very well, but in my country, people are not obliged to follow any birth control laws. That is why the population in my country is constantly increasing.

Maybe the government in your country are too lazy to enact strict laws that will help control birth. To be sincere, this issue of increase in child birth really need to be taken care of because we can't keep giving birth to many children that cannot be taken care of while they grow up to become nuisance to the society. Everyone should give birth to a number of children they can take proper care of. If possible any couple that has given birth to two children has to undergo mandatory family planning vaccine.

[libert19]

then this will lead to overpopulation of countries.

This is not the case globally, I do think some areas may be overpopulated but overall the world is still mostly empty.

Do you want world to be populated everywhere? Does earth belongs to humans alone?

... even for many children they have to become the backbone of their family, and that is definitely burdensome and unfair for them.

That's right, I see many teen children doing labor work in my country, these children never have safe space to grow and security to fall behind so they rarely are able to get out of mud hole they were born in.

[bettercrypto]

I agree with the statement that parenting can be unfair to the child because of lack of preparedness whether financially or emotionally. Children who grow up without a way to follow tend to encounter difficulty in avoiding poverty cycles, this has been the case across time and geography. It does not imply that people must be rich to have children but planning, education, and mentoring help.

When one is not prepared to give that, then it is a good decision to remain child free. The moral of the storey is that parenting has more to do with giving birth to children and less about preparing them to actual opportunities.

Raising a child is not an easy job because you need to prepare everything to ensure that the child's needs, education, etc. are met, but many parents don't pay much attention to this, they only know how to have a child, but they don't prepare everything, so the child grows up lacking everything and has to struggle... even for many children they have to become the backbone of their family, and that is definitely burdensome and unfair for them.
As you said, you don't need to be rich just to have a child... a person just needs to make sure that they are prepared with everything the child needs and they understand what their responsibilities are, so that when the child is born, they don't inflict suffering on the child because of their failure as parents.

That is really true, because as parents it’s our obligation to raise our children properly. They are our responsibility, and this is one of our roles as mothers and fathers.
It’s also true that having children doesn’t have any limits, whether you are rich or poor.

If you think about it, most of the time it’s actually the poor who tend to have more children, especially those living in squatter areas. Meanwhile, the rich usually take time to carefully decide how many kids they want to have. In short, some people practice what we call family planning, while others don’t really care about it at all.

[xandry]

If you think about it, most of the time it’s actually the poor who tend to have more children, especially those living in squatter areas. Meanwhile, the rich usually take time to carefully decide how many kids they want to have. In short, some people practice what we call family planning, while others don’t really care about it at all.

Intentionally or not, you reminded me of the movie idiocracy. The first scene from this movie is even available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA
If you haven't watched it, then I recommend watching this movie, or at least the beginning of it. Yes, it's an old comedy, but when I walk down the street and see mothers with three children, I feel sorry for them because their whole family doesn't look well-off with money. I understand that this poor woman probably still has a hard day ahead of her, consisting of cleaning and cooking, despite the fact that they can hardly afford to buy, for example, fresh meat or fish.
There's nothing good about it.

[Theupdude]

If you think about it, most of the time it’s actually the poor who tend to have more children, especially those living in squatter areas. Meanwhile, the rich usually take time to carefully decide how many kids they want to have. In short, some people practice what we call family planning, while others don’t really care about it at all.

Intentionally or not, you reminded me of the movie idiocracy. The first scene from this movie is even available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA
If you haven't watched it, then I recommend watching this movie, or at least the beginning of it. Yes, it's an old comedy, but when I walk down the street and see mothers with three children, I feel sorry for them because their whole family doesn't look well-off with money. I understand that this poor woman probably still has a hard day ahead of her, consisting of cleaning and cooking, despite the fact that they can hardly afford to buy, for example, fresh meat or fish.
There's nothing good about it.

Well, historically and now, poor communities have higher birth rates than wealthier communities. Economists and sociologists agree that lack of access to education, knowledge concerning family planning, or in some cases, cultural or religious expectations are the main causes. On the other hand, the rich are typically more aware, have better access to health care, and spend more per child, so they do think twice before increasing their family.
Admittedly, if you go back a century households even in more affluent circumstances might have had many children due in part to higher child mortality rates and the increased need for labour. As societies became industrialised and education became more widespread, birth rates fell dramatically. This process is known as the demographic transition and is played out country by country.

The bad news, as you said, is that poverty and large families tend to go together. And when that one or two generation of parents can't feed and educate two, three, or more babies, the cycle of poverty continues. That's why many locations today have seen that empowering women through education and access to basic healthcare has led to poverty reduction in the long term.

[Leahized]

In our country, birth control laws have been enacted long ago but they have not been strictly enforced in practice. We have heard the slogan of not having more than two children, one is better, since childhood, but so far this slogan has not been implemented in our country. In various countries of the world including China and Japan, strict laws are made on birth control and their people follow them very well, but in my country, people are not obliged to follow any birth control laws. That is why the population in my country is constantly increasing.

From it I understand. No matter how much the government imposes the law of birth control. It would never be reasonable. Because having a child is it everyone's own personal matter. Besides, do you think it can ever be implemented? I won't say Because every man-woman has physical needs and they will meet it. However, we should keep an eye on this, so that the number of families does not increase too much. And if everyone adheres to the law of birth control, the population will increase day by day. Because the birth rate will never decrease, because if you look at your family, you will understand. However, after taking a child, every father started working hard. So that he can live a healthy life. And they become more self -sufficient than ever.

[Jawhead999]

However, after taking a child, every father started working hard. So that he can live a healthy life. And they become more self -sufficient than ever.

In which planet do you live? do you think 2 men below are healthy?

I haven't see in a family, the married man is well groomed than the married woman. It's either the woman well groomed than the man or both of them well groomed. Unfortunately the society support with this kind toxic life, where the man must obey with anything asked by his woman.

People only ask "do you happy with him?", no one ask "do you happy with her?"



https://www.reddit.com/r/weirddalle/comments/1axhpfg/man_before_marriage_vs_man_after_2_years_of/
https://www.thehansindia.com/life-style/health/why-men-get-fatter-after-marriage-778276

[woez]

From it I understand. No matter how much the government imposes the law of birth control. It would never be reasonable. Because having a child is it everyone's own personal matter. Besides, do you think it can ever be implemented? I won't say Because every man-woman has physical needs and they will meet it. However, we should keep an eye on this, so that the number of families does not increase too much. And if everyone adheres to the law of birth control, the population will increase day by day. Because the birth rate will never decrease, because if you look at your family, you will understand. However, after taking a child, every father started working hard. So that he can live a healthy life. And they become more self -sufficient than ever.

Of course, the big question is who can stem the birth rate? This is a matter of destiny from the Almighty. Yes, in some cases, it's a bit odd that when a region's population is considered declining, the government is busy implementing various initiatives, providing financial incentives for these families. Conversely, when the population is overpopulated, the government is at a loss, worried that they will not be able to meet basic needs and will ultimately be categorized as a poor country. This is achieved by tightening regulations, including mandatory family planning programs, limiting the number of children, and so on.

Every legally married couple, especially today, certainly has a plan for determining the size of their family, but this can change at any time. I believe what needs to be considered is how the government, as the primary supporter of the population, creates new jobs. It's up to them what method they choose, as long as people can work and be independent in supporting their families.

[libert19]

However, after taking a child, every father started working hard. So that he can live a healthy life. And they become more self -sufficient than ever.

In which planet do you live? do you think 2 men below are healthy?

I haven't see in a family, the married man is well groomed than the married woman. It's either the woman well groomed than the man or both of them well groomed. Unfortunately the society support with this kind toxic life, where the man must obey with anything asked by his woman.

People only ask "do you happy with him?", no one ask "do you happy with her?"

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https://www.reddit.com/r/weirddalle/comments/1axhpfg/man_before_marriage_vs_man_after_2_years_of/
https://www.thehansindia.com/life-style/health/why-men-get-fatter-after-marriage-778276

C'mon bro, you needn't have posted that second ai image. But I agree with overall sentiment, people do get fat after marriage, I know people in friends/family, who after getting married, have gained weight.

[SmartGold01]

Not many people said this, personally I think marriage is a big scam.

Were your parents that wealthy before giving birth to you and why don’t they consider marriage as scam?
First looking at it biblically we can say ‘he who findeth a wife findeth a good thing and obtains from favour from the sight of god’, meaning when you have a wife you don’t need to care about how you should feels but he would supply you all the needs, except you do not believe in his words. Many people married with faith and today God is really making out ways for them, so you do not have to wait and makes all the millions before getting married or having kids, and yes what you said is what you believed but in my cases it’s different and we have kids also schooling yet we knew that economy isn’t that bright but yet people are still making it. Perhaps it’s good to remain positive and also know that children are blessings from God and he provides for them as well.

[libert19]

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First looking at it biblically we can say ‘he who findeth a wife findeth a good thing and obtains from favour from the sight of god’, meaning when you have a wife you don’t need to care about how you should feels but he would supply you all the needs, except you do not believe in his words.

Perhaps it’s good to remain positive and also know that children are blessings from God and he provides for them as well.

People should believe what they see with their naked eyes (even then there are exceptions, because eyes can also be fooled) instead of lenses of this spiritual garbage, I think I have mentioned before in this thread where people who shouldn't have had kids, had and they destroy the kids lives because they didn't have means to provide for kids.

I read this book on Nanking massacre, here before Japanese troops arrived to the city of Nanking, the rich flew the city, while the poor couldn't, they were massacred along with their kids. Surely, this extreme example I accept, but you know what this tells you?

Meanwhile... God, I am yet to see the proof of his existence. Do you know whether he exists in first place before you put your hopes on him?

[Obulis]

Waiting until one is well off simply means that one should wait till they become wealthy
This can't be without some questions like;
When do you think you are well off considering insatiable wants and unpredictable future?
Does waiting until one is well off make any difference from waiting for perfect time?

While financial stability plays a big part in providing a good life, it can't be the sole or major determinant for getting married or having kids . There are priceless resources that many loving parents offer, regardless of wealth, off which wealth or no wealth without these resources it definitely causes pains having kids.
 The target should be responsible planning, as building a financial gatekeeper for parenthood can even fail over time or overnight looking at history or other peoples experiences.

[LDL]

Happiness here does not mean having economic well-being, rather there are many parents who do not have economic well-being but are quite happy with their children. In fact, it is not right to judge happiness by money or economic solvency. A parent can be wealthy, but if they do not have children, they will never be recognized as a complete parent. There are many parents who do not have money but are living a very happy life with their children and there are no complaints in their families. On the other hand, there are many parents who do not have children but have money but are quite unhappy. In short, the happiness of a family largely depends on the satisfaction of each member of the family. If they are responsible for each other, they can be quite happy even without economic prosperity.

[Obulis]

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First looking at it biblically we can say ‘he who findeth a wife findeth a good thing and obtains from favour from the sight of god’, meaning when you have a wife you don’t need to care about how you should feels but he would supply you all the needs, except you do not believe in his words.

Perhaps it’s good to remain positive and also know that children are blessings from God and he provides for them as well.

People should believe what they see with their naked eyes (even then there are exceptions, because eyes can also be fooled) instead of lenses of this spiritual garbage, I think I have mentioned before in this thread where people who shouldn't have had kids, had and they destroy the kids lives because they didn't have means to provide for kids.

I read this book on Nanking massacre, here before Japanese troops arrived to the city of Nanking, the rich flew the city, while the poor couldn't, they were massacred along with their kids. Surely, this extreme example I accept, but you know what this tells you?

Meanwhile... God, I am yet to see the proof of his existence. Do you know whether he exists in first place before you put your hopes on him?

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Don't believe on supernaturals? You are not alone @liberty19
However, the decision to get married or not is wholesomely personal(believers or unbelievers) so has nothing to do with the existence or nonexistent of God..

Well there are so many things one can't wait until they see with the naked eyes before believing.
Example
How many have been to mars and or out of this earth? Yet the belief of those existence are real.
When one says God... It implies beyond human nature or natural....  Historically, there are supernaturals or beyond human events and aside history, supernatural or beyond natural are still happening whether you notice it or not. Based on this, some bad eggs have commercialized on the supernaturals making it harder for unbelievers to believe having examples of spiritual garbages propelled by these garbages themselves. Even as some spiritual garbages are as a result of other factors not limited to ignorance (lack of knowledge and intelligence).
But then, since there are spiritual garbages;
Won't there be spiritual resources?
Does it mean there're spiritual resources?
Why won't there be spiritual resources?

Scientists are busy trying to propose a unifying theory (the theory in which other theories exist). In other words, they want to prove what cannot be proven as it is already obvious to some of them of this unfathomables about and beyond the globe.
Just imagine the helplessness of science!! What was not believed and accepted today becomes the revolutionary in the nearest future. Why? Because of human nature!!

Painfully, ancestors are not without ignorance but their knowledge is still a composite part of our civilization. This same ancestors has it among themselves of this unexplainable forces that can unravel things Ordinary brain cannot explain.
So far, it was and or is just approaches to the supernaturals that differs but the beliefs of human brain unfathomable force(s) is common among ancestors of different civilization, continents and countries.
Can it all be fabrication all the mediums, words and so on that exists about the spiritual?

Let’s say gravity... Who have seen gravity?
Why does it happen? How does it come about?
And all that..

Ordinarily, there are things you can't wait until you see before you believe. Some has paid regrettably for that.
Can the eyes see every thing?
Who are you that talks about your body? (as in my body is paining me)
Are you separate from your body that you talk about it like that?

Does human mind exist?
Is there any organ or seeable part of human called mind?

[xandry]

I'm speaking from an African perspective where bloodlines and family lineage is important.

Are you serious? Can you tell us in more detail what kind of pedigrees you have there and why this is important? Usually, the importance of family trees is discussed only in the context of monarchies, but there is only one such family tree per country.
A slightly different version is described in fantasy films like Game of Thrones, where everyone introduces themselves as I'm Carl, Carl's son, etc.

[libert19]

Waiting until one is well off simply means that one should wait till they become wealthy
This can't be without some questions like;
When do you think you are well off considering insatiable wants and unpredictable future?
Does waiting until one is well off make any difference from waiting for perfect time?

I didn't mean well-off as in wealthy. I meant it as in basic needs for a healthy living sorted out — owning a place to live in good area, a stable job and personally I would add owning a farmland too, to grow one's own food and harvest rain water so food and water need is sorted out.

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Meanwhile... God, I am yet to see the proof of his existence. Do you know whether he exists in first place before you put your hopes on him?

Don't believe on supernaturals? You are not alone @liberty19
However, the decision to get married or not is wholesomely personal(believers or unbelievers) so has nothing to do with the existence or nonexistent of God..

I meant that for people who think god will provide for wife and kids.

Well there are so many things one can't wait until they see with the naked eyes before believing.
Example
How many have been to mars and or out of this earth? Yet the belief of those existence are real.

You can see mars via telescope.

When one says God... It implies beyond human nature or natural....  Historically, there are supernaturals or beyond human events and aside history, supernatural or beyond natural are still happening whether you notice it or not. Based on this, some bad eggs have commercialized on the supernaturals making it harder for unbelievers to believe having examples of spiritual garbages propelled by these garbages themselves. Even as some spiritual garbages are as a result of other factors not limited to ignorance (lack of knowledge and intelligence).
But then, since there are spiritual garbages;
Won't there be spiritual resources?
Does it mean there're spiritual resources?
Why won't there be spiritual resources?

I didn't understand much, but you seem to be offended that I called spiritual garbage, spiritual garbage, is that right?

Let’s say gravity... Who have seen gravity?
Why does it happen? How does it come about?
And all that..

Ordinarily, there are things you can't wait until you see before you believe. Some has paid regrettably for that.
Can the eyes see every thing?
Who are you that talks about your body? (as in my body is paining me)
Are you separate from your body that you talk about it like that?

Yes, there are things which can not be explained, or understood but just because it's so, I do not give credit to god.

Does human mind exist?
Is there any organ or seeable part of human called mind?

I only know brain that's lump of flesh on top of head.

[Unknown Op]

Happiness here does not mean having economic well-being, rather there are many parents who do not have economic well-being but are quite happy with their children. In fact, it is not right to judge happiness by money or economic solvency. A parent can be wealthy, but if they do not have children, they will never be recognized as a complete parent. There are many parents who do not have money but are living a very happy life with their children and there are no complaints in their families. On the other hand, there are many parents who do not have children but have money but are quite unhappy. In short, the happiness of a family largely depends on the satisfaction of each member of the family. If they are responsible for each other, they can be quite happy even without economic prosperity.

I think kids give happiness in the life And more money is associated with the kids because if there will be more kids then they will give you support to earn more money and your income will not decrease in the presence of kids . If you have more kids then you will be more successful in the life . People should think about that because that is best way to earn more money in life . If you have one kid then you will spend all money on that person and in your old age he will not support you and you will be on the road or will spend your life alone which is very tough for old person because they need support in the old age .But people took wrong concept And they think that they are debt on the family but that is not right.

[xandry]

Happiness here does not mean having economic well-being, rather there are many parents who do not have economic well-being but are quite happy with their children. In fact, it is not right to judge happiness by money or economic solvency. A parent can be wealthy, but if they do not have children, they will never be recognized as a complete parent. There are many parents who do not have money but are living a very happy life with their children and there are no complaints in their families. On the other hand, there are many parents who do not have children but have money but are quite unhappy. In short, the happiness of a family largely depends on the satisfaction of each member of the family. If they are responsible for each other, they can be quite happy even without economic prosperity.

I think kids give happiness in the life And more money is associated with the kids because if there will be more kids then they will give you support to earn more money and your income will not decrease in the presence of kids . If you have more kids then you will be more successful in the life . People should think about that because that is best way to earn more money in life . If you have one kid then you will spend all money on that person and in your old age he will not support you and you will be on the road or will spend your life alone which is very tough for old person because they need support in the old age .But people took wrong concept And they think that they are debt on the family but that is not right.

I'm wondering what you're basing your arguments on anyway. Do you have any evidence base, or did you just paraphrase what was written by someone else in this topic earlier?
If what you said was true, then the richest countries in the world would be the poorest countries in Africa. After all, the birth rate and the average number of children per woman are the highest there. Look at the tables in wikipedia page that called List of countries by total fertility rate

In these rankings, countries have higher fertility rates and the higher the fertility rate, the more children per woman. Do you see any rich countries there?

[Bitco55]

What title says,

unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion.

What about you?

I totally agree with you. Not being well off and bringing children into the world would just be for them to suffer. If you can't take care of yourself comfortably, why have children and hope you'd be able to take care of them. Waiting for divine intervention? Most of these children would turn to crimes to keep up or die of starvation. Either way, you would have given them life only to take it from them. So, if you want children, work twice as hard, thrice as hard, in order to make sure they don't suffer cause of you.