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November 11, 2025, 09:44:17 PM
 #401

What title says,

unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion.

What about you?

1. Children are necessary! That's a fact!
2. If you don't have money, it doesn't mean you shouldn't have children. It means you need to rethink your position and start earning more to give your children a good start in life. It's not about a multi-million dollar inheritance — it's about health, education, upbringing, and a happy childhood.
3. If you are not going to improve your family's standard of living, you should probably think about it and make a decision to change it, because this limitation will always hinder you and create problems.


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November 11, 2025, 10:00:51 PM
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1. Children are necessary! That's a fact!

Apparently, that fact doesn't apply to me.

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2. If you don't have money, it doesn't mean you shouldn't have children. It means you need to rethink your position and start earning more to give your children a good start in life. It's not about a multi-million dollar inheritance — it's about health, education, upbringing, and a happy childhood.

Yes, I do agree about bolded stuff, and I only meant that when I said, 'well off'.

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November 12, 2025, 02:09:40 AM
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Well said. We obviously want the best for our children but often we hesitate when it comes to child planning because of our income.
Seeing the continuous decline of job vacancies every year and increasing lay offs, job security has really become a major issue.
In such a world, having one income is itself a challenging thing and so finding a second income and third income mostly depends on luck.
I don't deny that finding a job is difficult, and perhaps this is a common problem in every country. I believe the lack of job opportunities is one of the reasons why so many people are unemployed. I believe they definitely want a job and have tried to find one, but the difficulty of finding one leaves many frustrated.

And regarding income, I actually believe we can find additional income or side jobs by taking advantage of technological advances. Many people have successfully earned income using the internet, and yes, it's open, so anyone can do it as long as they have a strong desire and determination. I'm sure it can be profitable.

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November 12, 2025, 06:37:42 AM
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What title says,

unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion.

What about you?

1. Children are necessary! That's a fact!
2. If you don't have money, it doesn't mean you shouldn't have children. It means you need to rethink your position and start earning more to give your children a good start in life. It's not about a multi-million dollar inheritance — it's about health, education, upbringing, and a happy childhood.
3. If you are not going to improve your family's standard of living, you should probably think about it and make a decision to change it, because this limitation will always hinder you and create problems.

I like all the points you've made above, because having children is a necessity for the continuation of our lineage, preventing the breakdown of the lineage that has been in our family tree since our parents.

And while having children is purely a responsibility, not just a natural instinct, we still see many people live with average economic status still able to support all their family's needs, their children are like other people, even if they are modest. Most importantly, we don't always have to measure that every happiness that is born must always be with money.

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November 12, 2025, 11:15:17 AM
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But is there no way to enjoy sex without turning it into a seed and then a baby? There are now many contraceptives that can be used to delay having children. They do not think about the fate of their children who will not get what they should get, nutritious food, education and so on.

Do you really think poor people know about contraceptives? In some (retarded) cultures, there is stigma attached with sex itself, so people do pump up babies having it in private, but will feel shy to talk about sex in public, so often they don't have knowledge of contraceptives in first place, though I feel it's changing with dawn of technology.

I don't have data on that, but indeed some parents now or born long before us still lack sex education, which also includes education about contraceptives. But in my own country, the government's program on child limit should also have been heard. However, it is also quite difficult to implement it because they themselves are the ones having sex. Lol
Though logically, when they have many children they will also have difficulty raising them, but again it is difficult to enter into their logic.

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November 12, 2025, 11:59:08 AM
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Having kids are very important aspect of human existence.so everyone should fulfill the biblical principles that instructed we should come into the world and multiple.
The basis for this discussion should be one to have number of kids he or she can adequately cater for.
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November 12, 2025, 03:01:42 PM
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Well said. We obviously want the best for our children but often we hesitate when it comes to child planning because of our income.
Seeing the continuous decline of job vacancies every year and increasing lay offs, job security has really become a major issue.
In such a world, having one income is itself a challenging thing and so finding a second income and third income mostly depends on luck.
I don't deny that finding a job is difficult, and perhaps this is a common problem in every country. I believe the lack of job opportunities is one of the reasons why so many people are unemployed. I believe they definitely want a job and have tried to find one, but the difficulty of finding one leaves many frustrated.

And regarding income, I actually believe we can find additional income or side jobs by taking advantage of technological advances. Many people have successfully earned income using the internet, and yes, it's open, so anyone can do it as long as they have a strong desire and determination. I'm sure it can be profitable.

Do you have any side hustle ? If yes, would you like to share it with us and how did you achieve it ?
If no, what's stopping you from getting a side job? Don't you have the desire to get one and increase your total income ?

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November 14, 2025, 11:02:44 PM
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Well said. We obviously want the best for our children but often we hesitate when it comes to child planning because of our income.
Seeing the continuous decline of job vacancies every year and increasing lay offs, job security has really become a major issue.
In such a world, having one income is itself a challenging thing and so finding a second income and third income mostly depends on luck.
I don't deny that finding a job is difficult, and perhaps this is a common problem in every country. I believe the lack of job opportunities is one of the reasons why so many people are unemployed. I believe they definitely want a job and have tried to find one, but the difficulty of finding one leaves many frustrated.

And regarding income, I actually believe we can find additional income or side jobs by taking advantage of technological advances. Many people have successfully earned income using the internet, and yes, it's open, so anyone can do it as long as they have a strong desire and determination. I'm sure it can be profitable.

Do you have any side hustle ? If yes, would you like to share it with us and how did you achieve it ?
If no, what's stopping you from getting a side job? Don't you have the desire to get one and increase your total income ?
Many people always talk about inflation and we are watching many campaigns on how to decrease population and governments want to decrease the population but if parents have less child then they are not happy in the old age but they have house to live but there is nobody to with they will talk and share their thoughts because they have one or 2 child but these child are not in the country and they are graduated and they are earning good in foreign country and they have no time to spend with their parents and if you have more child then they will work hard to give happiness to their parents because they are very close to the parents and more child will be good human for the society. Economy of the country will be strong not weak.

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November 15, 2025, 12:33:50 AM
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Do you have any side hustle ? If yes, would you like to share it with us and how did you achieve it ?
If no, what's stopping you from getting a side job? Don't you have the desire to get one and increase your total income ?
Personally, I sometimes earn extra income from photo editing services or taking on event photography jobs, whether for weddings, pre-wedding shoots, or other events. But even that isn't consistent, as I only work as a photographer on call when my friend, who does photography, has a conflicting schedule, so she splits the photography work.

And I have several friends who can generate extra income, such as advertising a product (affiliate marketing), where they advertise a company's product and earn a profit if someone buys through their ad. Another friend of mine, who is a social media content creator, recently started getting paid for her content. I've considered trying both, but I'm unsure what's holding me back. It seems like a lack of confidence in either of them.

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Personally, I sometimes earn extra income from photo editing services or taking on event photography jobs, whether for weddings, pre-wedding shoots, or other events. But even that isn't consistent, as I only work as a photographer on call when my friend, who does photography, has a conflicting schedule, so she splits the photography work.

And I have several friends who can generate extra income, such as advertising a product (affiliate marketing), where they advertise a company's product and earn a profit if someone buys through their ad. Another friend of mine, who is a social media content creator, recently started getting paid for her content. I've considered trying both, but I'm unsure what's holding me back. It seems like a lack of confidence in either of them.

Indirectly, your time will be divided into three parts: one focusing on your main job, the other trying to participate in programs like your friends' projects, and occasionally filling in gaps in event photography, whether for weddings, pre-wedding shoots, or other events. There's also time for this forum, but most importantly, time for family.

Fatigue will certainly be felt if you pursue all three of these things, but whatever you do, I think we're all striving to be the best fathers for our wives and children. We seek additional income purely for our family, not for any other negative purposes. Yes, there's a special joy in achieving when all our dreams come true.

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Having kids are very important aspect of human existence.so everyone should fulfill the biblical principles that instructed we should come into the world and multiple.
The basis for this discussion should be one to have number of kids he or she can adequately cater for.
In theory, having children will certainly increase the burden (expenses), the more children you have, the greater the costs you have to pay. This process does not take just 1 or 2 years, it takes more than 10 years for the child's financial burden to be borne.
Maybe for rich people who have achieved financial freedom they don't really care about the cost of raising children, but for poor people it might be a heavy burden due to economic limitations.

This can still be overcome with strong determination and not being lazy, I also really believe in the words "As long as there is a will, there is always a way". Having children is a blessing from God, we are obliged to care for them, raise them and provide for all their needs.

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Kids can bring good luck. One may think that having kids may add to his problems but it's not true in all cases. Some kids bring good luck and open doors. Also, all the struggles and hussle and e massed wealth who enjoys it if not the kids. Let the fear of training the kids not prevent us from having them, if there's life there's hope.  Kids are part of our assets, they will take care of us when loose strength, even in our old age, they will help to manage our investment if they are well trained and will organize our funeral when we eventually return to our maker. So to have kids is an advantage, empowerment, investment and a hole lot not minding the economic situation.
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Do you have any side hustle ? If yes, would you like to share it with us and how did you achieve it ?
If no, what's stopping you from getting a side job? Don't you have the desire to get one and increase your total income ?
Personally, I sometimes earn extra income from photo editing services or taking on event photography jobs, whether for weddings, pre-wedding shoots, or other events. But even that isn't consistent, as I only work as a photographer on call when my friend, who does photography, has a conflicting schedule, so she splits the photography work.

And I have several friends who can generate extra income, such as advertising a product (affiliate marketing), where they advertise a company's product and earn a profit if someone buys through their ad. Another friend of mine, who is a social media content creator, recently started getting paid for her content. I've considered trying both, but I'm unsure what's holding me back. It seems like a lack of confidence in either of them.

Well thats great for you. Having friends who can help us earn money through side hustles is a blessing.
Unfortunately, I don't have any such friends. Advertising and social media influencers, both are kind of a difficult job in my opinion.
For the time being, I am only earning a little through investments in few assets but still hunting for a good side hustle that can balance my income.

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Having kids are very important aspect of human existence.so everyone should fulfill the biblical principles that instructed we should come into the world and multiple.

Lol, remove religious garbage from your head then think for yourself.

... and if you have more child then they will work hard to give happiness to their parents because they are very close to the parents and more child will be good human for the society. Economy of the country will be strong not weak.

Parents shouldn't be creating kids to serve 'em and nation will get better with quality kids, not otherwise.

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By the title, I will say the economic situation will stand besides those who has no kids, but how about the other way round. The money has been made and there are lots of wealth acquired at youthful age, will it all be let to slide away because one feels the expense behind a spouse and kids.

At the youthful age is where one works to get the funds for the future family, while as a married man, it becomes what you have to provide for the family at the moment. The economic situation around the world has made things even more difficult than normal, whereby having kids makes it look as if one is adding more responsibilities to himself.

By economic constraints, not having kids is the best; but having God as the author and finisher of our Faith, kids makes us a Man/woman, otherwise, we just boys/girls even at 40s.

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Having kids are very important aspect of human existence.so everyone should fulfill the biblical principles that instructed we should come into the world and multiple.
The basis for this discussion should be one to have number of kids he or she can adequately cater for.
We call this the generation of caring for our own offspring, so we also consider this matter of having children quite important. As for the number itself, this varies from person to person, although generally everyone will limit the number to what they can support themselves. However, I personally don't blame those who don't set such a limit because the more children, the more descendants there will be. However, every child also deserves equal treatment from their parents so that they don't blame each other within the family.

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I like all the points you've made above, because having children is a necessity for the continuation of our lineage, preventing the breakdown of the lineage that has been in our family tree since our parents.

And while having children is purely a responsibility, not just a natural instinct, we still see many people live with average economic status still able to support all their family's needs, their children are like other people, even if they are modest. Most importantly, we don't always have to measure that every happiness that is born must always be with money.
In reality, the issue can be discussed from both positive and negative sides. If a person does not have money, then having a child will be difficult for him. His life may be worse. But when we give priority to happiness and joy, then we cannot ignore having a child in any way. Because even those who have low income are capable of raising their children. They give more priority to their family peace and not money.

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November 15, 2025, 11:43:06 PM
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The most expensive outcome is to not have children then later decide you want children but cannot have them easily, so requiring super expensive help to have children then its the most expensive thing of all.    You can only get rich by investment and children are the best investment is how I would put things, if you can count matters by more then numbers and riches by more then money certainly it becomes obviously true; however it is a personal decision.
  Across a nation I believe some countries are about to attempt to replace people with AI and clever technology but they wiill find there is no good substitute and even AI will need people, nations with lower amounts of children will be worse off imo.

 
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November 16, 2025, 12:19:31 AM
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The most expensive outcome is to not have children then later decide you want children but cannot have them easily, so requiring super expensive help to have children then its the most expensive thing of all.    You can only get rich by investment and children are the best investment is how I would put things, if you can count matters by more then numbers and riches by more then money certainly it becomes obviously true; however it is a personal decision.
  Across a nation I believe some countries are about to attempt to replace people with AI and clever technology but they wiill find there is no good substitute and even AI will need people, nations with lower amounts of children will be worse off imo.

The introduction of AI to administer some humans functions as a result of lack of children is not a welcome development because of the negative effects of AI once it malfunctions may be disastrous. Some ladies that never supports the idea of child bearing because of stress and other related reasons to me are making a dangerous mistake that may backfires them if the worst happens, them main reasons for the possession of some female organs is for child bearing and raising which should not be alternatively used for know reasons.
The joy of every union is children and should not be written off for pleasure or job because there is time for everything on earth.

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November 16, 2025, 05:08:21 AM
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Since children are said to be a blessing from God, I think it's not even assured that every one of us will have kids, because there are some people today that have been praying for over some years just to have kids, and they are financially stable, while some people are not financially stable, and they have a lot of children. However, in terms of economic perspectives, it can affect your financial stability if you really don't plan yourself perfectly, as such, if you are living with your spouse only, I believe 70% of your salary would go to the family activities, but when you have, let's say, one kid or two, you can change your plans of spending unnecessarily so that you won't face any economic problems. Moreover, whether you have kids or not, once you are not planning yourself against economic challenges, you are going nowhere.

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