To have kids or not to? Your opinion from economy perspective

[Porfirii]

I have divided opinions about this topic. On one hand, I think that, although having kids is expensive and earning the money needed to take care of them is a great responsibility, if you do things well it shouldn't be so expensive as one could think. In the last years I've heard several times on TV the fallacy about each children costing >€300K to their fathers during their lives, which doesn't make any sense to me unless you buy them a luxury car, pay them an expensive university career and, at least, a part of their mortgage.

So, from economy perspective, there are two possible options: you make him/her useless and you pay him/her everything, which will be a total economic ruin, or you cover his/her basic living expenses, which will only involve a little extra effort.

[LOVER BOY 422]

What title says,

unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion.

What about you?

My opinion not having kids even when you are married is totally wrong ,sometimes you should go ahead have your kids the right time for money to come will definitely comes that's the fact about it.

But considering the fact that our economy is not really favourable to those who has much children you can just have a normal gage of two kids a boy and a girl , girls it's normal ,than staying just like that waiting for economy to change before you have your children what if you get old when you are waiting for a good economy change and you have properties which your children are supposed to be taken care of and you don't have any kids ,what becomes of you then.
Children are good to extend your linage and take over your properties,now you have no children other will start enjywhat you have suffered to build this is so bad , economy situation shouldn't make someone to get married, married and have kids but it should be just one or two at most.

[libert19]

....By economic constraints, not having kids is the best; but having God as the author and finisher of our Faith, kids makes us a Man/woman, otherwise, we just boys/girls even at 40s.

Leave god alone. As for kids making one man/women, that's DEFINITELY incorrect, I have seen plenty men/women even after kids remaining childish.

My opinion not having kids even when you are married is totally wrong ,sometimes you should go ahead have your kids the right time for money to come will definitely comes that's the fact about it.

Nah, it's not fact, these kids will have to find work early to fullfill their needs, just because their parents were irresponsible.

[junder]

Indirectly, your time will be divided into three parts: one focusing on your main job, the other trying to participate in programs like your friends' projects, and occasionally filling in gaps in event photography, whether for weddings, pre-wedding shoots, or other events. There's also time for this forum, but most importantly, time for family.

Fatigue will certainly be felt if you pursue all three of these things, but whatever you do, I think we're all striving to be the best fathers for our wives and children. We seek additional income purely for our family, not for any other negative purposes. Yes, there's a special joy in achieving when all our dreams come true.

That's right, my time is divided into many parts, and sometimes I need some time for myself. I try to do what I can and not compromise on any of it, so when I feel capable of doing it, I do it. Because what I'm looking for here is a substantial income, and even if I have free time, it would be a shame not to take on additional income, even though sometimes I actually enjoy that free time.
I think seeking additional income is something people do who are aware of their seemingly meager or even insufficient income, and yes, I am one of them.

[Mahanton]

Indirectly, your time will be divided into three parts: one focusing on your main job, the other trying to participate in programs like your friends' projects, and occasionally filling in gaps in event photography, whether for weddings, pre-wedding shoots, or other events. There's also time for this forum, but most importantly, time for family.

Fatigue will certainly be felt if you pursue all three of these things, but whatever you do, I think we're all striving to be the best fathers for our wives and children. We seek additional income purely for our family, not for any other negative purposes. Yes, there's a special joy in achieving when all our dreams come true.

That's right, my time is divided into many parts, and sometimes I need some time for myself. I try to do what I can and not compromise on any of it, so when I feel capable of doing it, I do it. Because what I'm looking for here is a substantial income, and even if I have free time, it would be a shame not to take on additional income, even though sometimes I actually enjoy that free time.
I think seeking additional income is something people do who are aware of their seemingly meager or even insufficient income, and yes, I am one of them.

Balancing different responsibilities like work side projects and family isn’t easy but it’s something many people go through especially when the main goal is to create a better life for those we love dividing your time between your main job your friends projects and occasional event photography takes real discipline and strength because every part demands effort and focus. Fatigue becomes part of the process but what keeps you going is the reason behind it doing all this for your wife and children gives meaning to the struggle it’s not just about chasing money but about providing stability and comfort for your family and that’s something to be proud of.

Sometimes it’s okay to slow down a bit and give yourself time to rest because no matter how driven you are burnout can affect your health and your ability to keep going in the long run your efforts will pay off because dedication and hard work always lead to progress. Wanting to earn extra income is normal especially when your main source doesn’t fully meet your needs and it shows responsibility rather than greed people who push themselves to find other ways to make money understand the value of sacrifice and persistence you’re doing what most would shy away from and that’s what sets you apart even if it’s tiring there’s always satisfaction in knowing every effort is for something real and meaningful.

[GoldBitcoin112]

What title says,

unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion.

What about you?

Let me ask you if you are married and you don't have kids what's the need ,at a certain age in life weather rich or poor you are supposed to have a family considering the fact that children are blessings to marriage,you don't use because of how the economy is today and refused to get a wife or refused to have kids , management should be at you end all the time but having kids shouldn't stop because kids are the blessings of marriage without children family is not yet complete,don't use because the economy is bad and then you refused to bear children nobody does that ,have kids but it should be controlled.

[Tmoonz]

What title says,

unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion.

What about you?

My opinion not having kids even when you are married is totally wrong ,sometimes you should go ahead have your kids the right time for money to come will definitely comes that's the fact about it.

But considering the fact that our economy is not really favourable to those who has much children you can just have a normal gage of two kids a boy and a girl , girls it's normal ,than staying just like that waiting for economy to change before you have your children what if you get old when you are waiting for a good economy change and you have properties which your children are supposed to be taken care of and you don't have any kids ,what becomes of you then.
Children are good to extend your linage and take over your properties,now you have no children other will start enjywhat you have suffered to build this is so bad , economy situation shouldn't make someone to get married, married and have kids but it should be just one or two at most.

Though having or not having kids should be a personal decision that comes with consequences so whichever decision being taken we should also be ready to face the consequences that will come ls with it, while the economy will bad one can still set up some basic plans and kids without waiting for everything to be be perfect, this because the economy can keep getting worst while you are busy waiting for it to be better and infact it might not get any better and there is possibility of to happen in a very long time and of course you must have grown old and only to be in regret, is lovely having kids around everything must not be perfect and that is my own point of view.

[Supreme Donvic]

If you can take very good care of yourself and your child and you want to have a child then you are good to do that, but if you know you can't even take good care of yourself talk more of a child don't have a child, before you have a child you most be ready financially and mentally, some people feels that when you have good paying job or you are rich you can have a child no it goes beyond that you need to be mentally, emotionally and physically fit for a child before you can think about having a child, a lot of children are passing through pain and frustration because there parents are not meeting up to there responsibilities.
Children are a blessing from God and usually makes the home very much interesting, I love children and I will make sure I do my best to give my unborn children a happy life.

[ovcijisir]

unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion. 

People have been living for millions of years in far worse conditions than us and they still had children.
Of course one should not have children if he lacks means to support them, but that doesn't mean that he needs to be well off.
Poor people can have children too and give them all the love and necessities they will just probably have hard time economically to raise them.

[junder]

Balancing different responsibilities like work side projects and family isn’t easy but it’s something many people go through especially when the main goal is to create a better life for those we love dividing your time between your main job your friends projects and occasional event photography takes real discipline and strength because every part demands effort and focus. Fatigue becomes part of the process but what keeps you going is the reason behind it doing all this for your wife and children gives meaning to the struggle it’s not just about chasing money but about providing stability and comfort for your family and that’s something to be proud of.

Sometimes it’s okay to slow down a bit and give yourself time to rest because no matter how driven you are burnout can affect your health and your ability to keep going in the long run your efforts will pay off because dedication and hard work always lead to progress. Wanting to earn extra income is normal especially when your main source doesn’t fully meet your needs and it shows responsibility rather than greed people who push themselves to find other ways to make money understand the value of sacrifice and persistence you’re doing what most would shy away from and that’s what sets you apart even if it’s tiring there’s always satisfaction in knowing every effort is for something real and meaningful.

What you said is true. I want my family to be comfortable, so I strive to provide the best for them, including comfort. It seems there are still people out there like me, perhaps even harder working to provide for their families. However, family time should never be wasted, because as the saying goes, "the most valuable treasure is family."

That's what I believe: effort never betrays results, so there will definitely be good results from my efforts. Even if unexpected things happen, that doesn't mean it's the end.

[Apocollapse]

I have divided opinions about this topic. On one hand, I think that, although having kids is expensive and earning the money needed to take care of them is a great responsibility, if you do things well it shouldn't be so expensive as one could think. In the last years I've heard several times on TV the fallacy about each children costing >€300K to their fathers during their lives, which doesn't make any sense to me unless you buy them a luxury car, pay them an expensive university career and, at least, a part of their mortgage.

So, from economy perspective, there are two possible options: you make him/her useless and you pay him/her everything, which will be a total economic ruin, or you cover his/her basic living expenses, which will only involve a little extra effort.

Nah, it's make sense.

I've check the minimum salary in your country is 5x times more than in my country and I've made calculation if the cost to raise a children in my country is at least $100.000. Without buy a luxury car, expensive university career etc, the cost is very high.

Don't only calculate the basic needs (housing, 3x meals and tuition fees), but include everything like snacks, medical health, unpredictable needs, vacation etc which could be ore expensive than basic needs.

[rangga28]

unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion. 

People have been living for millions of years in far worse conditions than us and they still had children.
Of course one should not have children if he lacks means to support them, but that doesn't mean that he needs to be well off.
Poor people can have children too and give them all the love and necessities they will just probably have hard time economically to raise them.

Life continues and has evolved through several civilizations, from ancient economic systems to the modern era. However, every normal human being must earn a living, and it may not necessarily be about money. A sane person certainly doesn't need to worry about having children, but at least their own needs should be considered daily. So life will continue until you die.

[leonair]

What title says,

unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion.

What about you?

When you have a kids, you have a responsibility towards your family which will encourage you to work harder. But when you do not have any kids, you cannot put yourself under a responsibility and your thinking will be very simple which will not encourage you towards financial management and savings. On the other hand, a child is very necessary for happiness in the family. In all respects, a person should definitely have a kids. You will work hard as long as you have a responsibility. And another aspect is that when you retire, having a child will definitely be very important for financial support. So we should have a kids

[Joy- maker]

I know with the way things are in some countries having kids is the last thing some persons will think of right now which is very bad, because according to our creator he said in his holy book that children are gift from him, so now my question is those guys who are seeing having kids as something that is not necessary, is it that are refusing a gift from their creator? just because the economy of their country is not really favorable? IMO I will say that if you have a well paying job or you have a job that can at least get you a two square meal in a day, my dear have kids, because kids are gifts from your creator. so don't take because you want to leave a comfortable life you choose no to have kids, for me I don't see any sense in such decision taking,  although I won't advise anyone who is he struggling to get one square meal a day to go into fathering children just because, just because the holy book said that children are gift from God as a person's always have this mentality that children are gift from God and they will go ahead to father innocent children that they can't be able to take good care of them, for me I don't think it is a good idea to have kids when you know you won't be able to take good care of those children, and not being able to take good care of your children can likely make your children to start misbehaving, and doing all manner of things just, and because of  inappropriate taking care of one's children is the reason why some persons today has now become fraudsters, scamming  people here and there, and if I must say some parents are the reason why we have irresponsible children all over the world because they were infidel, they failed to provide shelter, clothing and so on for their children.

[bakasabo]

What title says,

unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion.

What about you?

When you have a kids, you have a responsibility towards your family which will encourage you to work harder. But when you do not have any kids, you cannot put yourself under a responsibility and your thinking will be very simple which will not encourage you towards financial management and savings. On the other hand, a child is very necessary for happiness in the family. In all respects, a person should definitely have a kids. You will work hard as long as you have a responsibility. And another aspect is that when you retire, having a child will definitely be very important for financial support. So we should have a kids

1. I would not rely on a child when I retire and get old. Its their freewill to support parents. Otherwise it sound like an investing.
2. I would not say that childs role is to bring necessary happiness to the family. They are miracle and change life into positive way, but people dont make children just to be more happy.
3. I would not also say that having a child should be a motivation to work harder. If a person wants to achieve something, to earn more, to prove something to himself or others, he should work harder.
4. Some people are more responsible without children, than people with children.

Anyway, to have or not have children is one of the most widest topics of discussion and it is possible to discuss for ages.

[Mpamaegbu]

unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion.

What about you?

I love kids.

One doesn't need to be "well off" to have kids. Just be average and you're good to go. Kids are a joy to have. They're the only thing that can change someone's status – from husband/wife to father/mother. Nothing else can.

Apart from the companionship that comes from them, kids make you relive your childhood. Sometimes when I watch my kids, I remember how I behaved partly when I was their age. It helps me relate with them and know how to control their emotions.

The only difference having more than enough and not having enough has in raising kids is for parents to know how to cut their clothes according to their sizes. Parents should know what they can afford and not unnecessarily raise standard just to imitate others. They should know the type of education and all that they can afford for their kids. Don't overreach yourself to prove a point no one actually cares to see.

What a lot of people don't realize is that there will definitely come a time when our strength will fail us. Our kids will expectedly stand in that gap and provide strength. I'm not talking about finance here. I'm talking about humanity.

Like it's said in my local parlance which I will loosely translate here – since you've been birthed, also give birth to others.

[Inwestour]

I have divided opinions about this topic. On one hand, I think that, although having kids is expensive and earning the money needed to take care of them is a great responsibility, if you do things well it shouldn't be so expensive as one could think. In the last years I've heard several times on TV the fallacy about each children costing >€300K to their fathers during their lives, which doesn't make any sense to me unless you buy them a luxury car, pay them an expensive university career and, at least, a part of their mortgage.

So, from economy perspective, there are two possible options: you make him/her useless and you pay him/her everything, which will be a total economic ruin, or you cover his/her basic living expenses, which will only involve a little extra effort.

I don’t think it’s all that expensive, and I feel that when it comes to children, you should think not only about the financial side, although of course that matters, but first and foremost about creating a family. Of course, children will require additional expenses, but it’s not that critical, and by the time they grow up and need to pay for university, a lot of time will pass and many things in your life can change. So it’s also important to think about the good that children will bring to your life, not just how much it will cost you.

[Versatile_choice]

I know with the way things are in some countries having kids is the last thing some persons will think of right now which is very bad, because according to our creator he said in his holy book that children are gift from him, so now my question is those guys who are seeing having kids as something that is not necessary, is it that are refusing a gift from their creator?

You're right children is a gift from God, but it's not a must that everyone must have kid. If you feel like not having kid due to one reason or the other it's fine and for you to make such decision does not necessarily mean that you're refusing what God said, because kids is supposed to be well trained but nowadays I see people abusing kids, thier mate will be in school learning why they are on the road hugging pure water and majority has died due to car accident all in the name of struggling to survive the hardship. anyone who does not have all it takes to train up a kid should stay clear from having kids instead of bringing them into the world for them to suffer.

[Peanutswar]

Well with the current stand here in my country which we are living at the middle to poor and you know how the life gets hard and you need to deal with that every day such as you are still problematic with the money and how to become successful in life thats the point not ideal to have a kids as of now for me with my current age I guess I need to enjoy more in life become having a kid that might suffer in life too because possible I cant give them what they need for their daily basis. Also its considered too for both parties if you think ideal to have a child or not or you want to chase more before getting settled in life. Well if thats a blessing of course still you need to face it.

[libert19]

I was just surfing r/antinatalism and came across this video, which gives arguments on this statement that I have seen quite a few times in this thread and that is, 'children being a gift from god'.  

Video:. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fVtASnWX9MQ

Arguments given looked reasonable to me, watch and discuss if you may.