Creation of a physical country with a decentralized government

[stachman]

Everybody at least once has thought about creating their own country, but the conclusion was that it’s too hard and logically impossible. And that’s right: if the laws and agreements of existing countries allowed you to create a new one, people would cause chaos. But building a country with the highest chance to survive is always possible. I did some research on UNCLOS, attempts of other people, and generally think it’s possible to find loopholes on the sea or land.

This country should be crypto-based, money to build will come from a presale or honest tokenomics with fundraising, a decentralized government with NFT passports, etc.
The main step for now is community building—without it, all these dreams will be impossible.

If you’re interested in dreaming with me and trying to make it true, join the Telegram group:

https://t.me/united_crypto_emigrants

If needed, I/we can also create other socials or even build our own simple forum.

[BADecker]

You can test it in the United States using a Private Membership Association (PMA). Everybody wants money to set a PMA up for you. The original PMA info can be found at Proadvocate Group PMA - https://www.proadvocate.org. These people are the ones who spent years finding what works best. They are out of Texas. However, a simple search on "Private Membership Association (PMA)" will show you all kinds of choices to get help.

The point is that you can use a PMA to test out your country ideals right within America. Then, after you and your people have figured out what works for you, you can find some vacant land somewhere (not in the US) and actually set it up.

Note that your PMA testing in the US will not allow you to form an actual military, or do anything that might be harmful to your members.

[Hydrogen]

A region of the west sahara in africa has no existing government.

Maybe you can claim it and establish a decentralized government hierarchy.

Or do what other coiners attempted by establishing inside international waters.

But what would be the motive and point of this?

It would probably wind up being like every other government within a few decades.

[BADecker]

A region of the west sahara in africa has no existing government.

Maybe you can claim it and establish a decentralized government hierarchy.

Or do what other coiners attempted by establishing inside international waters.

But what would be the motive and point of this?

It would probably wind up being like every other government within a few decades.

Western Sahara is ruled by rich Arab groups, who often fight Morocco's taking control of it all. These rich jokers are each a nation, even though they are not recognized as such by world cartographers, because borders of each group continually change. I'd stay out of that area of the world until my group was strong.

The only 'good' places are places that have harsh climates, or places that are out in the ocean with land not down very far under the surface. A lot of work might be involved. There are a few nations that have formed themselves on abandoned oil rigs. But if the nearby country doesn't like your being there, you might have to fight them physically.

Wherever you go, it will be a job. The best is to set up an appropriate PMA to test the waters, so to speak, right in America. You might try SEASTEADING. Check out ELWAR in the forum.

[Hydrogen]

A region of the west sahara in africa has no existing government.

Maybe you can claim it and establish a decentralized government hierarchy.

Or do what other coiners attempted by establishing inside international waters.

But what would be the motive and point of this?

It would probably wind up being like every other government within a few decades.

Western Sahara is ruled by rich Arab groups, who often fight Morocco's taking control of it all. These rich jokers are each a nation, even though they are not recognized as such by world cartographers, because borders of each group continually change. I'd stay out of that area of the world until my group was strong.

The only 'good' places are places that have harsh climates, or places that are out in the ocean with land not down very far under the surface. A lot of work might be involved. There are a few nations that have formed themselves on abandoned oil rigs. But if the nearby country doesn't like your being there, you might have to fight them physically.

Wherever you go, it will be a job. The best is to set up an appropriate PMA to test the waters, so to speak, right in America. You might try SEASTEADING. Check out ELWAR in the forum.

Two more interesting angles to this.

Inside Slab City, the Lawless City in the Desert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vVCSUafFVI

An Island made from plastic bottles by Richart Sowa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnLhWpy_nqI

[BADecker]

A region of the west sahara in africa has no existing government.

Maybe you can claim it and establish a decentralized government hierarchy.

Or do what other coiners attempted by establishing inside international waters.

But what would be the motive and point of this?

It would probably wind up being like every other government within a few decades.

Western Sahara is ruled by rich Arab groups, who often fight Morocco's taking control of it all. These rich jokers are each a nation, even though they are not recognized as such by world cartographers, because borders of each group continually change. I'd stay out of that area of the world until my group was strong.

The only 'good' places are places that have harsh climates, or places that are out in the ocean with land not down very far under the surface. A lot of work might be involved. There are a few nations that have formed themselves on abandoned oil rigs. But if the nearby country doesn't like your being there, you might have to fight them physically.

Wherever you go, it will be a job. The best is to set up an appropriate PMA to test the waters, so to speak, right in America. You might try SEASTEADING. Check out ELWAR in the forum.

Two more interesting angles to this.

Inside Slab City, the Lawless City in the Desert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vVCSUafFVI

An Island made from plastic bottles by Richart Sowa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnLhWpy_nqI

Lots of opportunities to start your own country. As long as the country you start remains small and relatively unknown, you have a chance...

[franky1]

Wherever you go, it will be a job. The best is to set up an appropriate PMA to test the waters, so to speak, right in America. You might try SEASTEADING. Check out ELWAR in the forum.

elwar was not interested in crypto. he was just interested in creating scams to get peoples fiat. by diving into libertarian projects. he never had any ownership of any sea-steads or land, he just borrowed other peoples projects and tried selling a philosophy, making out it was some libertarian thing

as for PMA, well thats just cult creating. not the same as for instance creating navaho /amish nation in the middle of america.

[BADecker]

Wherever you go, it will be a job. The best is to set up an appropriate PMA to test the waters, so to speak, right in America. You might try SEASTEADING. Check out ELWAR in the forum.

elwar was not interested in crypto. he was just interested in creating scams to get peoples fiat. by diving into libertarian projects. he never had any ownership of any sea-steads or land, he just borrowed other peoples projects and tried selling a philosophy, making out it was some libertarian thing

I don't follow what Chad Elwartowski and his wife Nadia Thepdet are doing. The last I heard is that they have one child.

Anybody really interested in seasteading can search on "Ocean Builders," the company that set up the seastead that Elwar and Nadia called home for a few days until the Thai navy came and destroyed it. Last I heard, Ocean Builders is selling Seasteads off the shores of Panama.

as for PMA, well thats just cult creating. not the same as for instance creating navaho /amish nation in the middle of america.

A PMA is possibly the best way to test out what it would be like to set up a nation. It would be in the US, sanctioned by the US government. But it might not be able o actually make a real nation that was independent of the US. But we don't know that for sure, unless somebody has tried it and failed.

The thing that is good about it is that it ALMOST could be a nation. It would give the people involved a chance to actually test what a nation might be like.

Search on 'Private Membership Association (PMA)' to see that there are thousands of them in America, and more since ProAdvocate Group found the way to do it right.

Note that franky1 could do it in Britain, too, if he wanted to study how common law is set up over there.

[Hydrogen]

Also don't forget 95% of australia is uninhabited by humans.

Barren, desolate portions of it could be colonized. Although I think the majority of the landscape is somewhat dry.

[stachman]

Wherever you go, it will be a job. The best is to set up an appropriate PMA to test the waters, so to speak, right in America. You might try SEASTEADING. Check out ELWAR in the forum.

elwar was not interested in crypto. he was just interested in creating scams to get peoples fiat. by diving into libertarian projects. he never had any ownership of any sea-steads or land, he just borrowed other peoples projects and tried selling a philosophy, making out it was some libertarian thing

I don't follow what Chad Elwartowski and his wife Nadia Thepdet are doing. The last I heard is that they have one child.

Anybody really interested in seasteading can search on "Ocean Builders," the company that set up the seastead that Elwar and Nadia called home for a few days until the Thai navy came and destroyed it. Last I heard, Ocean Builders is selling Seasteads off the shores of Panama.

as for PMA, well thats just cult creating. not the same as for instance creating navaho /amish nation in the middle of america.

A PMA is possibly the best way to test out what it would be like to set up a nation. It would be in the US, sanctioned by the US government. But it might not be able o actually make a real nation that was independent of the US. But we don't know that for sure, unless somebody has tried it and failed.

The thing that is good about it is that it ALMOST could be a nation. It would give the people involved a chance to actually test what a nation might be like.

Search on 'Private Membership Association (PMA)' to see that there are thousands of them in America, and more since ProAdvocate Group found the way to do it right.

Note that franky1 could do it in Britain, too, if he wanted to study how common law is set up over there.

In that way we can just create a subreddit with some cult, same to others. Im not talking that it has to be an Island. Read about Verdis as example, they just found out that Croatia theritories are set by river, which changed and on this change they created a country. But actually Croatia can easily ban them, and Hungary too, but they have 400 citizens.

If we find such place on the water (with high chances to survive, because there are no free water in 200 miles) we can also try to build a country.
For example between Greece and Turkey there are many conflicts about their water, some places 12 miles from each country can be good. Or North Cyprus, its economical zone recognized only by Turkish, but when they will come for you, you wont be able to defend.