Do we really need the gender option in our profile page?

[Excimer]

You know this yet you went on to cause a ruckus about their gender.  Personally I don't see it as much of big deal trying to reveal one's gender or force them to accept what they know since this place is anonymous and its a personal choice of the individual if they want to say it out or not.

The fact that Vilji first said that it was not his account and then deleted it has nothing to do with gender. My complaint is about the fact of lying. A fact is a circumstance that has no gender.

My complaint to Vilji was that she was a liar. She first said it wasn't her twitter aacount, and a few minutes later she deleted this twitter account.

This once again proves what stupid women you are, Majestic-milf

Read this again:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5558654.msg65790326#msg65790326

[NotATether]

It is important to have such options

Why though? Especially since we all know that on the Internet, everyone is male unless proven otherwise.

Exactly. This is how internet users have operated for a long time. It does not mean they are sexist, it is just used as a default gender when unspecified. Also I don't see Theymos wasting time attempting to code more options because it is difficult to make everyone happy while simultaneously keeping database bloat low.

[ABCbits]

I guess some member don't adhere to "don't feed the troll" these days.

It is important to have such options

Why though? Especially since we all know that on the Internet, everyone is male unless proven otherwise.

I would like to share this classic meme/saying.

[Donneski]

As far as I know on Bitcointalk, gender has never really been a thing of serious relevance, so I agree it shouldn’t even exist in the first place.

But since it does, I think the current setup is already more than sufficient; male, female or simply leave it blank. That way, anyone who wants to state it can and anyone who doesn’t can just opt out. Bringing in free-text fields, like option “a” suggests, would likely open the door to people writing things that aren’t forum-friendly. The system we already have is simple, balanced and avoids unnecessary drama.

[Peanutswar]

Actually the gender does not necessary because we're aim here is to exchange knowledge and ideas so i guess just a norms in terms of filling up a form to have their genders, but on the other hand I just see this as a possible insight how they will approach the other user with the use of the gender what kind of word they prefer to use like him/her etc. so just a respect the same time.

[Guccho]

Yeah mate gender really doesn't make a difference. We're here for discussion about Bitcoin, crypto and tech, not who's posting. The gender field is like leftover from older forums that attempted to emulate real life social networks, where occasional chat or dating would make it relevant.

In practise, it just makes unnecessary drama or stereotypes such as the example you mentioned. Personally I'd do away with it altogether. It's okay if someone wants to share their gender, they can do it in posts and their signature. A free-text option might work as well, but there is the risk of trolls and spam.

Keeping profiles simple and focused on what people contribute rather than on who they are keeps discussions clean and meaningful. At the end of the day it's the ideas that matter way more than gender.

[JollyGood]

If we focus purely on the question, I think the majority would agree there was no real requirement or necessity for the gender option. No matter how it is presented, by a member selecting their gender really does not add nor remove anything from either their account or the forum. I can understand why the option is there as part of the default forum software because it might be useful when used in specific case uses but that does not apply here.

[mindrust]

How about creating a tamper monkey script that deletes the gender section from the profile pages whenever the profile page loads on the browser?

Would that solution make some people happy?

Anyone want me to create this? It would take a few mins only.

It will autotarget bitcointalk profile pages only and you will never see who is a male and who is a female, you won’t even see who doesn’t specify their gender. The whole row will be gone. Like it never existed.

[macson]

I think there's no point in adding a gender option to our profiles, as it shouldn't be necessary on this forum. It's like putting a religious or political option on a profile page, which shouldn't be necessary and should be a personal matter for each person.

But this is just my opinion; others may find it important. but the current profile page should be left as is.

[Mia Chloe]

there should be a "Gender" option with free text for selection and not a dropdown menu with predetermined options.

Are you insinuating that there are other genders aside from male and female in humans? For quite a while now which is actually becoming worse, more people are using the idea of a neutrality between genders which is something that is wrong based on nature. Most websites I've signed up for have a Dropbox for gender too with just 3 options  if filling up the field is mandatory and they are;

• Male
• Female
• Rather not say

So basically based off of this It's best the forum is left as it is. There's no need to give room for people who want to make up gender at the detriment of the forum' s code.

[apogio]

Thank you all for the replies.

So:

1. People think I fed the troll with this post. I agree, it’s my mistake and it’s because of my inexperience which is not reasonable but it is what it is.

2. I have managed to make myself clear, meaning that the purpose wasn’t to discuss about opinions on genders, but to discuss whether there is any meaningful reason behind the existence of the gender field on the profile page.

3. Most people believe it’s better to leave it as it is, for various reasons.

4. Most people think the profile page is indeed outdated.

Special thanks to ABCbits because his post seems to be very accurate and helped me realize that this thread is not useful.

It’s  obvious that most people don’t agree with my suggested changes regardless of whether theymos would decide to implement it anyway.

I will leave the thread open in case someone has anything meaningful to say, but if it goes out of hand, I will lock it.

[Ambatman]

I will leave the thread open in case someone has anything meaningful to say, but if it goes out of hand, I will lock it.

I doubt there would be anything different from what has already been stated.
And not just on the gender
Location and age also seem irrelevant and not really a requirement
But these are things that can be ignored or used based on how a person deem fit.

[promise444c5]

How about creating a tamper monkey script that deletes the gender section from the profile pages whenever the profile page loads on the browser?

Would that solution make some people happy?

You can actually , but it doesn’t really change anything imo. People who don’t check that section when viewing profile pages still won’t care about it even if it’s available and filled out. I’ve personally even forgotten that section exists, I’m not sure if others do check but I’m sure most people don’t really care about it so there’s no need to change anything either … Male is male, female is female, If someone feels different, they can just leave it blank.
Besides, it doesn’t prove real identity, it’s just an online identity( genuine or not).

[Cryptohygenic]

For the fact that there is no vault that requires the indication of gender during users registration process in the forum, I will assume it is not going to be impossible to have a gender indication on the users profile simply because, the server does not recognize the protocol.
We also need to be careful of our desires when it comes to a networking system that strictly observes users privacies and we know approaching to reviewing genders differences will ideally play potential threat of revealing users.
But if I must agree with you, It will be on the hand that the forum host events that recognizes Mr and Mrs in the bitcointalk community awards. Reason to specify who is a man and who is a woman on the users profiles might actually look good for that but at all, it is not a good idea.

[JollyGood]

I think the majority would agree, the profile page is outdated but it does provide options for those that want to display various information. For example, if a member does not wish to display details of their gender, they can ignore it whereas those that want to use it have an option too. That way it is a working solution for both.

Other options (including for ICQ, AIM, MSN and YIM) are simply not required too. Maybe over time, something will change when/if changes are implemented.

4. Most people think the profile page is indeed outdated.

[shield132]

I 've seen this thread yesterday: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5454729
The OP has literally posted that another user dared to say that he is a man, when in reality he is a woman. Or the opposite, I mean who cares anyway?!

But this case made me wonder if we really need to have a gender field in our profile page. And I am asking that because I find it strange that people actually care about it. Personally, I do not consider it important enough, as in it won't affect the way I talk to someone and the way we exchange ideas.

I am opening up a very broad discussion, I know.

Let's start with the fact that there are only two options, which in itself is controversial and has supporters on both sides.
I argue that one of the following should apply:
(a) there should be a "Gender" option with free text for selection and not a dropdown menu with predetermined options.
(b) there should not even be a field for it on the profile page. It is common for social forums to have such a field, but...


// If it's already been mentioned in another thread let me know and I will post there and close this thread.

We have a local forum in my country that uses very old Invision Power Board system, it's older than Bitcointalk, so there are many common similarities. My country is a very gender sensitive, which means that people think that there are only two genders and Europe wants to force us to accept other genders and there is a whole war about that in my country, which doesn't make sense to me.
Btw we have three options when we register on the form. Choose your gender - Male, Female or I don't want to say. I think that bitcointalk.org can do the same, male, female or I don't want to say and as I checked on my profile right now, bitcointalk has that I don't want to say option by choosing a blank thing instead of male or female.
Btw I've never checked anyone's gender on this forum, I personally do not care about that.

[Jet Cash]

Is gender important? Probably not in this forum, but I find it interesting, as I think we should have more girls using Bitcoin.
Is age important? Well once again, probably not, but I'd like to see more older people using Bitcoin.
Is country of residence important? Yes if you are going to trade, as Faster payments only works with UK banks.
Is your home status important? I think so, especially as I have varied reactions as a van lifer. I have a perfect payment record on my credit card, and next month's payment is over £4,000 because of my van maintenance charges, How many people in bricks and mortar accommodation can say that they have no debts and a perfect payment record.
All of the above factors one can sense from members posting and interactions on the forum.
So back to the original question. I'm a traditionalist. I still open doors for women, and I often stand up when one joins my table in a cafe. People look at me as if I am mad now, and assume that I'm leaving. Because of this, I think it is nice to know if one is talking to a woman, and I probably modify my behaviour if I am. I guess this goes against the current narrative though. Unfortunately nobody seems to show any respect, regardless of whether they are talking to a man, woman or a "them". Oh dear, I don't think that "them" is an acceptable pronoun, or is it?

[mindrust]

How about creating a tamper monkey script that deletes the gender section from the profile pages whenever the profile page loads on the browser?

Would that solution make some people happy?

You can actually , but it doesn’t really change anything imo. People who don’t check that section when viewing profile pages still won’t care about it even if it’s available and filled out. I’ve personally even forgotten that section exists, I’m not sure if others do check but I’m sure most people don’t really care about it so there’s no need to change anything either … Male is male, female is female, If someone feels different, they can just leave it blank.
Besides, it doesn’t prove real identity, it’s just an online identity( genuine or not).

That actually was the point I wanted to make. I know it wouldn’t change a thing if I came up with a tool like that since those who don’t want to see the gender section of a profile page already ignore it on a subconscious level.

Still though sometimes it is relieving to destroy the problem completely in your own perception and I know it because i created a similar tool before for some other but similar reason. (To delete unwanted user presence completely from the forum since you can still see nicknames of an user when you put them on ignore)

When you get very distressed by the presence of something, sometimes your subconscious gives up and asks for external help and that’s when these tools become helpful.

Yes the cause of stress still exists there but since you don’t see it anymore, you don’t get stressed about it.

If gender section causes problems to some people, and it clearly does because this topic is exactly about this, I can offer a solution to kill the cause.

Most modern medicine work the same way when you think about it. They usually don’t fix the root cause, they just make you feel better.

[DYING_S0UL]

But this case made me wonder if we really need to have a gender field in our profile page. And I am asking that because I find it strange that people actually care about it. Personally, I do not consider it important enough, as in it won't affect the way I talk to someone and the way we exchange ideas.

I mean, who even cares whether someone is a man or a woman or an unicorn? This is a crypto forum, not a matrimony site or Tinder, or any dates sites! So gender is completely irrelevant here. You don't have to be a man or a woman to be a Bitcoiner or a crypto enthusiast or an investor. Its not like we are posting here in order to look for potential partner, or date! LOL ...so lets keep focusing where it belongs..

[mindrust]

But this case made me wonder if we really need to have a gender field in our profile page. And I am asking that because I find it strange that people actually care about it. Personally, I do not consider it important enough, as in it won't affect the way I talk to someone and the way we exchange ideas.

I mean, who even cares whether someone is a man or a woman or an unicorn? This is a crypto forum, not a matrimony site or Tinder, or any dates sites! So gender is completely irrelevant here. You don't have to be a man or a woman to be a Bitcoiner or a crypto enthusiast or an investor. Its not like we are posting here in order to look for potential partner, or date! LOL ...so lets keep focusing where it belongs..

This is also not a casino/gambling website but here we are almost everybody wears a casino signature. I think some date apps had sig camps in the forum before too. Maybe it is not as insignificant as we thought. Some people also do face to face deals here so knowing the other person’s gender might affect our financial decisions as well. Human psychology is quite complicated in these matters.

Who knows, what if you are missing your future wife just because you assume everybody here is bearded dudes?