Charlie Kirk shot dead

[Baridomale]

Maybe use a Ambulance instead of a black SUV
The only thing certain at the moment, things are not right.
Candace Owen: Who Moved The Camera Right Above Charlie's Head?

Must be the first time in history a 7.62 mm bullet got stuck in someones neck. Miracles do happen if you are a bullsh!t artist.
https://i.ibb.co/SwPvrcz9/Untitled.png

I don't really know why you find that hard to believe. His paradigm might not have homogenous to that of everyone, however, depriving his children of their dad wasn't something I find cool

[OgNasty]

I'm not a fan of the crazy conspiracy videos going around, but the event for Charlie over the weekend was full of special moments I'm glad I got to see.  The traffic around the area was nuts, and the city really...  So I didn't attend.  It was great to see visible signs of how much support he had though.  It was noticeable for everyone in the Phoenix area.  I had no idea how loved he was until this happened, but I'm sure he would be proud of the lasting effect he was able to have on so many people.

[montaga]

Update on the proposed shot details:

1 - The medical examiner says that 30-06 was stopped by the unusually strong bones of the man-of-steel, and the bullet was found under Charlie's skin.  And that he may have saved many lives by stopping the bullet.  (Not kidding!)

2 - Jones says that the bullet followed a circuitous path and did some donuts in the guys heart.  Ergo, no exit wound.

3 - Candace points out tunnels under the tent and postulates that Kirk could have taken one up the hinder.

Ballistic gel head test with nato ammunituation (30-06)
https://youtu.be/fFjWC6EP4wc
More ballistic testing with real meat (7 mm vs 7.62 mm)
https://youtu.be/01GDNULAu0s

There has been a trap door unter the stage, a place to hide for some time. The whole area has now been worked over, paved.
After he came out of his hiding space, the 30-06 done that many rounds in his head, it even stops the blood gushing out.


No named official declaring death
No time of death
No Doctor record
No arrival footage at hospital
No ambulance, same guys signal befor "shot" shuf him in SUV
....

[montaga]

Believe everything except your eyes.
Charles Kirkland assassinated with a neck shot in this 1998 movie
https://youtu.be/WreuZ8Crn8Y

[Dunamisx]

There has been a trap door unter the stage, a place to hide for some time. The whole area has now been worked over, paved.
After he came out of his hiding space, the 30-06 done that many rounds in his head, it even stops the blood gushing out.


No named official declaring death
No time of death
No Doctor record
No arrival footage at hospital
No ambulance, same guys signal befor "shot" shuf him in SUV
....

You made some nice observations and this also points to the fact that things could have been done in a close door within the inner circles and they might have planned for this a long time ago before it got unleashed that same day, but what remains a mystery to me in this case is about Tyler Robinson, why could he have just been the instrumentation to this act, I keep on thinking about what could have made him the candidate used.

[caroasi]

Believe everything except your eyes.
Charles Kirkland assassinated with a neck shot in this 1998 movie
https://youtu.be/WreuZ8Crn8Y

There is more than just the concept of human intervention as an explanation for that though. There is also divine province and synchronicity that explains such events. Some people would also claim random chance, though that probably goes without saying.

[tvbcof]

On holograms, visual artifacts, trap-doors, etc.  By now it seems clear that there is a lot of planning, stagecraft, and subterfuge involved in the whole 9/10+ project.

There are suggestions that the cameras which were, within 5 minutes of the 'shooting', retrieved from the upper back of the tent were actually holography equipment.  The person making this suggestion did not sound very credible to me, nor have I seen any credible analysis of the devices presented by AV professionals.

A counter-point to the obvious but unmade suggestion that Kirk himself was a holograph would be that it wasn't Kirk himself in seated position which needed to be obscured, but some other elements of the set after he hit the deck.

Seems in practice that holography benefits greatly by having ultra-sturdy equipment.  The tent itself upon which gear of some nature was of low to intermediate stability by what can be seen.

A counter-point would be that for gross observation from a distance, and in a panicked crowd situation following a shooting, absolute holographic perfection is not really very important for certain elements of a putative 'stage show'.  The theater seems to have been structured such that total control of all souls within a fairly large distance (the first 'ring') could have been fully controlled.

Now if heavy stage-craft were involved, the role of Kirk himself could have been of several natures:

 - Kirk could have been ignorant of it, but given his experience in the industry it seems unlikely.

 - Kirk could have made a deal and gone to 'Valhalla' which would be a decent compromise to buy back a little bit of his soul so-to-speak.

 - Kirk could have thought he made a deal to go to Valhalla and been double-crossed (and x'd out.)

 - Anyone who buys the idea that Kirk was a 'man-of-steel' who's vertebrae could stop a 30-06 would have no problem believing that he has risen from the dead in yet another miracle.  (The Christian fundy equivalent of believing a piece of cloth will stop coronavirus.)

Kirk wifey is supposed to have started a ministry at age 17 and won contracts to work with the U.S. military in Romania, then got run out when locals complained about weird shit going on.  So the story goes at any rate.  Also she is supposed to have done quite well for herself financially prior to having been hooked up with Kirk (by Trump and/or his circle of associates?)  Seems possible that the loss of the funding promised by the Zionist could have nagged at one or both of the the Kirks, and a 'compromise' of some sort could have achieved multiple objectives.  It's not so far fetched (or low monetary value) as to be called to crazy to evaluate.

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I just have to comment on some of the gun/combat people I see on the internet, and whether the story put forward indicates a 'professional' shooter or not.  I'm no pro.  I do not have extraordinary training, and I only tangentially avail of technical information on the subject since it is of low interest to me.  I do, however, own a number of firearms (which I rarely fire) including high powered ones for larger game.  I have also shot 5.56mm at 300m with iron sights as have many American males (and females for that matter.)

Firstly, I would say that whether hunting game or, presumably, humans in combat, the shot itself is by no means the most difficult element of the operation.  There is a lot of work and planning and money involved in getting into a position to take and effective shot, and the after-effects (hauling out an elk or avoiding the authorities depending on the situation) involves a lot of work.

Down at 50m or 100m (forgot which) I may have started to target a particular part for the fun of it, but generally it was just center mass.  At 300m _my_ ability to see the target at all was getting pretty weak and trying for a head-shot or whatever was completely off the table.  On several sessions I did sharpshooter, and expert once, but only by using a hack I noticed (shoot low and let the pebbles which were kicked up down the target.)  Even that hack was to hit-n-miss and I only qualified marksman.

I would say that it would be technically possible for a non-pro to pull off a lone-wolf Kirk type event, but only if very good luck were involved.  To do it professionally where one chose the shot placement and achieved it, and to do the whole operation with no support may be possible with a little bit of luck.  A semi-skilled operative could have done it with the support of a reasonable adept team (including elements of the existing law enforcement and security personnel involved.)

[yahoo62278]

I have reopened this topic as it appears people would still like to discuss this tragic event. My apologies for locking it so quick, thought the discussion had pretty much ran its course.

[tvbcof]

Actually, seems that there is a very interesting and very widespread instinct to close this thing up.  Of Charlie's many 'friends', it seems that it's really only Candace Owens who is really pushing to find out what actually happened in light of the fact that it is abundantly clear that the corp/gov story about a lone assassin is ridiculous.  At least if that lone assassin is the kid who has been fingered.

The best face one can paint on things is that the insiders know that this thing was a fraud meant to facilitate some government policy things and hand over the TPUSA keys to those who implemented the purchase (and Charlie is chilling in Valhalla.)  The value of TPUSA (to the Zionists) would be vastly diminished  if Charlie had driven TPUSA off a cliff in the process of delivering it to the new owners.  Consequently, the TPUSA insiders would not have received their windfall and would have to endure the audit and other unpleasant and unprofitable shifts.

The less sightly (and more likely) possibility is that his 'friends' at the higher levels where not as good of friends as one might hope for and it is best for them if things blow over as uneventfully as possible whether or not Charlie is 6 feet under.

I dunno how the original thread got locked since it wasn't self-moderated and no explanation seems to have been given.  Oh well.  Anyway, I wanted to add some musings about energy and stuff.

  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5558713.msg65842618#msg65842618

It is worth note that a 22lr is one of the more common weapons chosen for assassinations.  What I used to use for indoor use against vermin includes 22-short and 22 shot-shells (aka 'cat-shot').  All three are quite effective at short range and would be devastating at point-blank.  The important take-away is that very little propellant is necessary to do a fair amount of damage.  If instead of a slug, a more carefully chosen purpose oriented projectile (shrapnel) were in play, the devastation to a soft structure (as exists in the anterior of a human neck) could be that much more significant.

Put another way, the amount of powder which would fit in the cap of a Tabasco bottle is probably enough to do whatever it was that appeared to have happened to Kirk's throat.

As for the guy's throat, the first thing I notice on the first view of the event was that Kirk's shirt just happened to shoot up over his neck right where the wound appeared, and only when it fell back to his chest was the wound apparent.  Also, the wide-spread assumption, but apparently later falsified, that he was wearing a bulletproof vest as bolstered by visual indications that gear of some nature  was under his clothing both front and back.



This is one of the few collections I see with 22 short and 22 shot-shell.  I know from experience that a 22 long-rifle fired from a long rifle can go half way through a chunk of firewood.  I used to plink around in my room as a kid (back before video games, computers, the internet, etc.)  During hunting season, kids would bring their 30-06's to school and keep them in their lockers so they could go hunting right after school, and nobody thought anything about it.

On the display, the 30-30 is the most common round we used for deer.  30-06 was the standard for elk.  In later life I got the 300 win-mag for elk due to notably better ballistics at range.  I prefer 357mag for home defense though 45 ACP is common.  For mountain lions I have a carbine chambered in 5.56mm NATO.  12 ga shotgun is a good multi-purpose thing to have around since it is very flexible.  With black bears I normally wish to chase them off without harming them and rubber slugs work great for that.

One more 'war story' that I have no reason to doubt is that my uncle's friends (early 1960's) were playing around with a 22 rifle and one friend shot the other through the neck.  The round went right through, and due to very good luck did not hit any important structures which did not manage to deform out of the way.  For a while they kept the incident secret from their parents, but eventually did fess up.  I mention this to point out that ballistics behavior and resultant injury with firearms can be quite capricious.  Something to think about.

[montaga]

Charlies Security Chief turns on recording before the event (light flashes on glases) and off, done with. One guy giving signal for countdown.
https://x.com/ProjectConstitu/status/1972584114306892111

So many signals
https://x.com/JimmyFalk_55/status/1972665593204531368
https://x.com/ProjectConstitu/status/1972584114306892111

Bunch off people know where to go for the recording.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5558714.msg65855477#msg65855477

The only thing certain at this moment, Tyler Robinson shot nobody. Most likely not even a real person, same as his roommate.

[BADecker]

No one is buying the official FBI story any longer. That story goes something like this... a lone gunman named Tyler Robinson, with a trans lover, devise a plan to climb onto the roof during Charlie Kirk's event using his father's bolt action rifle fires a 30.06 round... one shot that kills Charlie Kirk.


The FBI's Official Story on Charlie Kirk Just Collapsed | Redacted News - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPMWacCjRoM

[tvbcof]

Just correcting a mistake that Candace Owens made in her most recent presentation.

Candace reports that when Kirk(?) was rushed to a hospital in a private vehicle, the hospital chosen was neither the closest nor the most suitably equipped for the injury Kirk is supposed to have suffered.  I did not validate if this were true or not.  The hospital was a Timpanogos Regional Hospital which is under the 'HCA Hospital' agglomeration.  120-ish beds.

One 'Andrew Zenger' was reported by Candace to have been the 'brand new CEO _and head surgeon_'.  The man seems to be not a doctor.  He has some sort of business degree and his first job after school was with Timpanogos about 11 years ago.  Then he worked at a larger hospital for a while then went back to Timpanagos as the CEO just recently.

Edit:   On Candace's latest show (10/1/2025) she has updated to 'a new CEO and therefor a new lead surgeon'.  It does not follow to me that 'a new CEO' would have any relationship to 'a new head/lead/chief surgeon'.  There doesn't seem to be very much in common between the administrative wing and the medical wing in most medical facilities these days.  Seems like the administration basically decides which medications to push and the doctor's job is to sign off on them and that's about all there is to the American medical system these days.

[montaga]

Charlie Kirk shot dead

The shooting scene itself is a holographic projektion, blood all over his shirt. When they get him out of the trap door not a speck of blood visible.
What would be interesting when and how the switchover happend from him walking around to going down the trap door.
Reemerging was easy, they pushed over the table to block view.

[tvbcof]

A few follow-ups.

Here's a refreshingly un-polished and short vid which I submit for the purposes of displaying the difference between point-blank (as in some device situated within one's clothing) vs. at short range.  A 22 lr shell these days holds about 5 'grains' of propellent.  I was unable to discover how much propelent a shot-shell holds, but I suspect less as they are quite quiet and don't cycle a semi-auto, but these two could just be shot-shell/barrel physics.

I'm not at all saying that Charlie might have been hit by a 22 or anything like that.  Only that a very tiny explosive charge has the energy to do as much damage as appeared to be the case on the guy's neck.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXowzXuaawY

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Candace calls out the danger that 'cells' could have 'immigrated' from outside the U.S..  I would not underestimate the possibility of this, and the danger.

I have an interview kicking around from some credible seeming lady who was from Ukraine and seemingly very knowledgeable about the internal politics.  The interviewer was legitimately confused about the relationship between the supposedly 'Nazi' right wing groups and the 'Jews' such as Zelensky.  The lady laughed out loud and said 'The Zionists _ARE_ the Right-Sector'.

Remember that in the Maidan 'revolution', right-wing elements shot at both the government police forces and the protesters and got them shooting at one another.

Remember the hundred or two videos of camera equipped snipers picking off U.S. servicemen in Iraq, and the video's were widely circulated on the internet within the U.S. backed by Islamic war music.

It is widely reported that South Africans and Ukrainians were the main sources where such provocateurs of this nature came.  The South Africans are getting long in the tooth here in 2025.  Ukrainians not so much.

I remember hearing right from the horses mouth that Sheldon Adeleson, who served as a U.S. solder in his younger years, regretted not instead being in the IDF.  His wish for his son was that the kid become an IDF sniper serving duty within the U.S..  His wife, Miriam Adelson did serve in the IDF, and became a funder to the tune of $100M to Donald Trump and therefore was/is given leave to select most of Trump's staff.

Loss of the ability to parasitize the U.S. means the end to the otherwise non-viable state of Israel and the Zionist dream.  At least for it's lifecycle in the Middle East.  These types of people may well have a plan for the U.S..  Sure looks that way to me.

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Lastly, I would note that the Kirk psyop is crumbling at all levels, and some fair number of people are looking at some serious legal issues.  Looks to me like the only way out for a LOT of the participants might be something like the following (assuming that Kirk is in fact dead.)

 - There was a plan to STAGE the death of Kirk.

 - For psychological operations necessity the show was authorized at the federal level and thus various stand-downs and such were issued to local authorities.  (National security trumps all, and it is allowable under the U.S. state's current set of operational guidelines.)

 - There was a stage ACCIDENT and Charlie Kirk was ACCIDENTALLY killed (or a lone-wolf within the operation sabotaged it by fixing a lethal device.)

 - Following the accident the decision was made to just to go with the script as written.

[montaga]

Latest compelling theory of who killed Charlie Kirk
Holding a camera and not using it at that moment, what da?
https://youtu.be/b1bQBO_puyQ

Events did happen behind his back (play 3/4 speed)
https://youtu.be/8fTCZuSXMw8

[montaga]

The air-slug catched frame by frame
https://youtu.be/gQe2j9ZA7YI?si=i8hAWKOX10tqCTq6

Who is EriKa KirK ?
https://youtu.be/ay9zD9Zs8D8

Double talk of the "best friend"

[tvbcof]

When I saw the initial footage of Kirk getting hit I was struck by the coincidence that somehow his tee-shirt puffed out and obscured the event which caused bleeding.  I also thought that the massive clot-like thing didn't really behave like a liquid of the viscosity of fresh blood.  But of course the footage wasn't very good.  It does strike me as odd that of all the later footage, I cannot think of one which shows the rush of blood evident in the initially distributed videography.

Of course I did have to weigh all possibilities.  So in the first-day time-frame I am trying to figure out what kind of a round could have hit him.  (The 'official' story of a 30-06 wasn't put out yet.)  I tried to deduce what would produce a basic shredding of internal vasculature and thus the large volumes of blood.  Seemed more like shrapnel to me.

When 30-06 was reported, I was waiting for info on the exit wound which had to be there.  (As I said earlier, no exit means the full energy dispersal, and in the case of a 30-06 from 200 yds) would tear the neck to pieces.)  Candace's word of no exit was the first report.  I was already deeply suspicious, but this (if true) made it 100% that there was a fraud going on.

In thing which I took as strong evidence of a significant and mortal wound was the movement of Kirk's arms which was as I would expect of significant neurological damage.  Fairly recently, with the footage of the 'security team' pulling/shoving Kirk down shows me that he retained the reflex of an action requiring inner-ear to trunk connection.  I think it most likely now that the team rehearsed things and that Kirk would have been coached on how to act initially.

Kirk also seemed to lift his entire arm while laying on the ground (unless the footage is faked) and one of the 'security team' seemed to push it down.  In addition to how non-bloody everything was from the initial two seconds forward, I take this as more evidence that Kirk was, in fact, not harmed in the event but rather everything was staged and Kirk was a willing participant.

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Just today I see that some be-speckled guy named Gardner has 'leaked' info from the autopsy.  (I've seen this guy in previous psy-ops and he always seemed shady to me.)  Supposedly the autopsy is indicating shattering of all of the C vertebrae, and the bullet jacket material lodged on-target in the first T vertebrae.  Bull-fuckin-shit.

A soft-point round of any type would not significantly mushroom in that distance trough the front of a human neck which is mostly air and vasculature.  It may shatter two vertebrae, and may crack a few more, but these bones have shock absorbing disks between them.  More ridiculous yet, the vector of the bullet would put these C vertebrae in tension rather than compression.  One way or another, if the bullet was stopped by the body, the body would have moved very much more noticeably than was noted in any of the footage.  'They' seem to be pinning their hopes on the idea that Kirk was wearing armor in the back, and that's why there was no exit wound.  If so, I would expect way more force to be imparted backward knocking over the chair (in the case of a 30-06 which should be carrying about 2000 ft*lb or energy at the proposed range.)

In fairness, I should point out that very bizarre paths of high velocity projectiles through human bodies are a noted phenomenon.  They do sometimes 'hug' bones and tumble along them in arced paths thus emerging or being found in unexpected locations.  They don't to my understanding ever make sharp turns.  To believe Gardner's story, the copper clading would have been stripped by the soft tissue in front of Kirk's neck, then the lead ball would have to NOT mushroom then turn more than 90 degrees to run up Kirk's neck shattering each of the vertebrae.  I'm not buying it, and I doubt that any other semi-knowledgeable person would be either.

With the amount of damage the neck vertebrae are supposed to have suffered, Kirk's head would have been very very floppy as the 'worked on him' in the tent then toted him out to the waiting private vehicle.

[montaga]

That Tyler Robinson could be another case like the Timothy Mcveigh - Paul Wysopal FBI special agent (even the eyebrows move) 

The brown shirt guy may remote control discharged a bullet and a fix mounted auto aimed air slug. But most likely Charlie is part of the orchistrated hoax.
The world is a stage after all and this is a stage event, one way or another.  The battle ↑Up vs Down↓,  <Left and Right> is in the same camp.
https://youtu.be/YL8_ElfszKY

[tvbcof]

That Tyler Robinson could be another case like the Timothy Mcveigh - Paul Wysopal FBI special agent (even the eyebrows move)
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Interesting.

See also:

 - https://corbettreport.com/episode-305-the-secret-life-of-timothy-mcveigh/
 - https://corbettreport.com/episode-278-meet-lee-harvey-oswald-sheep-dipped-patsy/

[montaga]

The stage and the event
https://youtu.be/XSXUKwcIWBw