Is provably fairness something important you?

[Kelward]

Every reputable casino we have are provably fair, and this is one of the things that you must consider before making use of any casino...Any casino without this isn't safe to make use of because that results would always be manipulated...when playing casino games we all know that the house edge is high in a lot of these games, bottom line is, the house has more advantage but some scam casinos can take advantage of this and totally make winning impossibe

I haven't checked for probably fairness in a casino before and I don't know if I can do so that is why I rely on reputable casinos for gambling. I know that the house edge will always be there but a reputable casino will be fair in their house edge and gamblers won't be exploited. If a casino is not reputable that is when gamblers that chooses to use their site for gambling need to verify if they are probably fair. Fairness is important for casinos because gamblers loses more than what they win, if unfairness is added to it by any casino that would be wickedness on their part.

[OgNasty]

Being completely honest, I’m probably not going to take the time to make sure that every game I play is provably honest. That is why I think playing at a reputable casino is important. I’m sure that casinos I play at have had their share of audits in order to reach the position to where I’d consider playing there.

[Outhue]

Every reputable casino we have are provably fair, and this is one of the things that you must consider before making use of any casino...Any casino without this isn't safe to make use of because that results would always be manipulated...when playing casino games we all know that the house edge is high in a lot of these games, bottom line is, the house has more advantage but some scam casinos can take advantage of this and totally make winning impossibe

I haven't checked for probably fairness in a casino before and I don't know if I can do so that is why I rely on reputable casinos for gambling. I know that the house edge will always be there but a reputable casino will be fair in their house edge and gamblers won't be exploited. If a casino is not reputable that is when gamblers that chooses to use their site for gambling need to verify if they are probably fair. Fairness is important for casinos because gamblers loses more than what they win, if unfairness is added to it by any casino that would be wickedness on their part.

Exactly, I would do the same any time a of any day, a popular casino who isn't provably fair won't become popular, as many people are using such platform their secret will be out very fast, this is why using a popular casino is the best thing a gambler can choose to do.

The dangers of using a new casino is

1. The games they have on their platforms might be straight from the casino and not reputable game providers.

2. New online casinos aren't out for too long, so far no reputation is been built, they can easily decide to shut down anytime if they want.

A casino that's been out for long has better chances of serving their customers right than brand new online casinos.

[Die_empty]

Provably fairness in casino games is very important to every experienced gambler that already knows the things that should go on while gambling, that's why gamblers are very skeptical in using new casino or casinos that doesn't have a good reputation because if you are using a reputable casino, you won't have a double thought whether the games are being rigged or not but for casino that doesn't have a good reputation, you can always think that they are not being fair.

Everyone would want to ensure that they are not cheated. If casinos add a tool that could help bettors check the fairness of their games, it's a welcome development. You might trust reputable casinos, but sometimes their games a provided by third parties. Therefore, the option of checking the fairness of games could be a way to check these third-party game providers. I know it might be time-consuming to engage in these tasks but doing it occasionally might not be a bad idea.   

[mikel_012]

Being completely honest, I’m probably not going to take the time to make sure that every game I play is provably honest. That is why I think playing at a reputable casino is important. I’m sure that casinos I play at have had their share of audits in order to reach the position to where I’d consider playing there.

You don't need to verify everything, I don't think anyone is going to do this because imagine having to verify 1000 games a day. But just having the system in place means there is less chance for corruption and for the casino to game the system because they know there is a chance one user makes a code to check all games and finds one or two bad games which is going to kill the casino for good and its reputation

It becomes more difficult to verify the more you keep playing, because the number of games will also keep increasing.

For me, when I have a long history and I want to check provably fairness of the game, I tend to just pick them randomly - I could take the last one and a few others that are close to it and then pick some others too. I can just pick them like that and then check them if. I don’t think there’s anyone that would want to start going through 50 games to verify the fairness.

Many people run code that verifies all games so you don't need to check all of them manually which is a waste of time and a lot of work.

[shield132]

I don't have much content to give here, and neither do I know in-depth about provably fairness, but little do I understand is that — provably fairness means, your rolls aren't manipulated and results of your rolls are fair (cmiiw).

Question being, if casino you play on has provably fairness checker or it gives you data that you can use on online tools to verify your bets (for ex, https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/) ; now how many times you actually verify your bets? And is provably fairness really important to you or can you do without it?  

On irrelevant note: For good while I read it as, 'probably fair' instead of 'provably fair'.

Provably fairness matters a lot to me. I'm very picky when it comes to casinos. I gamble because I want to have fun and how will I have fun if I'm getting lied? If the casino lies to me and my loss is a result of their cheating system, it will upset me a lot.
To be fair, I'm not here with the aim of making money from the gambling but I want to have fun, fair fun. If I win the money, nice, that's very good but if I lose, I'll know that it was fair and square, so I'll sleep happy that night.
Btw I sometimes verify my bets, not always but sometimes, definitely. I usually play live blackjack and I don't need to verify anything here because these live games are 100% fair.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

Provably fairness in casino games is very important to every experienced gambler that already knows the things that should go on while gambling, that's why gamblers are very skeptical in using new casino or casinos that doesn't have a good reputation because if you are using a reputable casino, you won't have a double thought whether the games are being rigged or not but for casino that doesn't have a good reputation, you can always think that they are not being fair.

The reason why you mostly find gamblers leaving one casino to the otherr is a thing of reputation. Reputation is an integral part of every brand in all industries. It is what brings more people to knock at your doors when they could have easily worked away. The same thing works well in the gambling industry like other industries. The next question is how do you build that reputation, it is by working hard to remain in the industry for a very long time doing the same business and making innovations in the industry, are the ingredients that will bring that trust base and reputation. And once a company has the needed components.

That's what am saying, gamblers that has already known what they are expecting from a casino would go for a reputation casino because they trust that the casino would not be biased to chance the supposed results to their own favour because already the system is designed to favour them more and it will be very terrible to alter the system again which will leave the gamblers with very micro winning or no winning at all.

[nullama]

I don't have much content to give here, and neither do I know in-depth about provably fairness, but little do I understand is that — provably fairness means, your rolls aren't manipulated and results of your rolls are fair (cmiiw).

Question being, if casino you play on has provably fairness checker or it gives you data that you can use on online tools to verify your bets (for ex, https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/) ; now how many times you actually verify your bets? And is provably fairness really important to you or can you do without it?  

On irrelevant note: For good while I read it as, 'probably fair' instead of 'provably fair'.

Yeah, your understanding is correct.

Basically provably fairness is that it can proven that the random system follows a specific random distribution.

In a simple way, you can think that they have a "fair dice", that is, if you throw the dice many times, you will have a 1/6 chances of getting, say, a number 1.

[maydna]

Casinos here are provably fair so I don't need to verify my bets. I never verify it because I play at reputable casinos and many people use the casino. I believe the casinos here will not rig for their members because that will be related to their reputations.

But if you want to verify your bets, you are free to do but that will need time because you will check one by one your bets. You will not focus on enjoying your time in gambling but you will verify the bets. But that will be okay if you don't mind doing that.

[ralle14]

It used to be more important for me back when I still played a lot of provably fair games, but now it's not as much because i've mostly been playing games coming from software providers.

I still check my bets whenever there's a third-party tool or verifier. I just rarely pay attention to it because it's very rare to find something wrong with casinos and their original games.

[Despairo]

I haven't come across any casino platform where results are manipulated especially in sport betting, so you mean result of a prediction will just certainly changed and manipulated to go against you, if example, gambler predicted arsenal to win against Liverpool, and suddenly, the arsenal won the game but your predictions had been changed and manipulated to Liverpool win or draw while leaving your prediction red and failed.

Do something similar in my explanation above happened before? I haven't encounter such, but if it occur, does that mean gambling platforms is not provably fair?

Such thing would never happen because it's very easy to notice the casino cheat the gambler.

Probably fair in slots means the results are random. If we're talking in sports, it should be about the match, if it's fixed match, then it's no longer fair anymore. What I see some bookie cheat the gamblers is they void the bet when the gambler guess correctly.

Provably fair is important, do people want to gamble on manipulated system?

[giammangiato]

My understanding of "Provably Fair" is that the outcomes of the games are
completely random. This would also apply to Roulette since its just another
game. Particularly when its online.

Does it mean something to me "Provably fair" It didnt until I created my account
with the Winna.com platform and I read that its a PF one, that made me curious
about that concept, I think its only fair that a casino should be PF!

In the specific case of roulette, it can't be defined as fair. I can define it as fair if I know it costs me 10 and I earn 20 with my effort, and therefore it can be defined as fair investment > effort > result.
How can something that relies on a higher probability of success without any mathematical calculation be defined as fair? I'm definitely the one who can't grasp the concept.
Instead, I define something as fair as: roulette has collected 100% and 80% of the takings are returned as a prize to the players completely randomly.
In this case, I demonstrate that the game fairly, without any mathematical calculations, distributes a percentage to the players (as per the rules).
ps. I can't view winna.com

[AVE5]

Being completely honest, I’m probably not going to take the time to make sure that every game I play is provably honest. That is why I think playing at a reputable casino is important. I’m sure that casinos I play at have had their share of audits in order to reach the position to where I’d consider playing there.

I'm in your same shoes. Imagine checking on the probable of every of your games and it's verified provably but yet the outcomes of your games hasn't been going at your favour at all, I'm sure you'll begin to doubt the provably of verifying games in the casino.
I really don't find this concept comfortable for myself. I rather only consider playing on the casino's that're highily recommended reputable than being skeptic about the casino's reputations at every single games I plays.

[joniboini]

Many people run code that verifies all games so you don't need to check all of them manually which is a waste of time and a lot of work.

Which tool/website are you referring to? Is there a dedicated website that tracks how a game works? I can't remember if there's a tool like that. Last time I checked, some casinos offer the code to verify, while others buy a script from others, so we can assume the code is more or less the same. I don't think those 1000s games are unique to each other to begin with, at best they offer modification or different UI while the logic is similar to other similar games. CMIIW.

[alegotardo]

I don't have much content to give here, and neither do I know in-depth about provably fairness, but little do I understand is that — provably fairness means, your rolls aren't manipulated and results of your rolls are fair (cmiiw).

Question being, if casino you play on has provably fairness checker or it gives you data that you can use on online tools to verify your bets (for ex, https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/) ; now how many times you actually verify your bets? And is provably fairness really important to you or can you do without it?  

On irrelevant note: For good while I read it as, 'probably fair' instead of 'provably fair'.

Yes, definitely!!!

Provably Fair is a super useful feature of many people underestimate until to day they actually need it
Obviously, no one will manually check every bet, but the simple fact that there is a feature for you to independently audit already your games, significantly changes the casino's relationship of trust with its players, you don't agree me? Who would provide a self verification tool on a platform that cheats on results? That would be terrible for the casino's reputation.

Without Provably Fair everything will depend 100% on the platform's good faith, and that's where the reputation thing comes in: "Oh... but the casino is a well established, it's trustworthy, and blah blah blah." But it's like with cryptocurrencies: "You should not trust, you should verify." This is one of the key concepts of decentralization... anyone can verify the veracity of information.
I think we should all remember that trust is built both on honest actions and on the ability to prove those actions.

[bubilas]

It used to be more important for me back when I still played a lot of provably fair games, but now it's not as much because i've mostly been playing games coming from software providers.

I still check my bets whenever there's a third-party tool or verifier. I just rarely pay attention to it because it's very rare to find something wrong with casinos and their original games.

Now I don't focus on this, but simply choose online casinos and bookmakers from the list of companies that are provided on our forum.
Nothing prevents gamblers from choosing from this list. Because even if problems arise, you can not only try to get a settlement from the support service, but you can also write here by creating a topic. And the manager who is a representative of this company will immediately answer all misunderstandings. I have already encountered this several times here, and the settlement has always been quick.

[SmartGold01]

That is why I love sports game there is nothing like provably fair game, when a sport game, such as football or basketball any other games that involve ball, you can track down to know what they are manipulated or not in fact, since they are mostly live matches and you could watch and see whether is actually what you picked or not. But in casino games you wouldn't know whether they are manipulated or not that is why most people keeps tracking their games to know whether they are maneuver or not.

[Etranger]

Being completely honest, I’m probably not going to take the time to make sure that every game I play is provably honest. That is why I think playing at a reputable casino is important. I’m sure that casinos I play at have had their share of audits in order to reach the position to where I’d consider playing there.

Even a reputable casino can make mistakes and enter into agreements with providers who turn out to be unreliable. I think it’s just something to keep in mind and not to forget about this possibility. It doesn’t mean you need to obsess over checking every single game, but it’s better to assume that something like this can happen, so that if it actually does, you won’t be too disappointed.

[Wapfika]

It’s not practical to check every single result, however, if you have a bad streak that makes you think something is off, it’s a good idea to do the verification on your recent results. Sometimes the immediate reaction is to blame the casino for cheating you, but if you don’t have proof, that accusation will not be credible. There has been some cases where gambling websites claimed to have zero or near zero house edge for certain games and it turned out that there was some manipulation going on.

Correct, it’s very hard to track every bet if provably fair since games that usually use this system is fast phase game. Some casino also have time limit on when you can access your betting history since delete it to free some space.

I believe checking the initial bet before playing long term is the smart move so that you can have assurance that your whole game is fair.

Hash seed is not frequently changing so everything is as is fair once you check it.

[nara1892]

Being completely honest, I’m probably not going to take the time to make sure that every game I play is provably honest. That is why I think playing at a reputable casino is important. I’m sure that casinos I play at have had their share of audits in order to reach the position to where I’d consider playing there.

Yes, one of the reasons why we are better off playing at a casino that has a good reputation is so that we don't have to bother trying to find out whether the casino is proven to be fair or not, for me a good reputation is enough to convince myself, and also I don't really care about that actually, because winning is not a priority for me, but of course I will also be very happy if I manage to win, the most important thing for me is that I feel entertained in the game process.