Trading and long-term investing

[tvplus006]

...Even if the market goes down a lot after investing in a long term plan, it is normal for an investor, but for a trader, a small dumping of the market can cause a lot of loss.

If a trader trades without leverage, then in fact, if the price drops, he will turn into an investor who will have to wait a long time until the price returns to the purchase level. However, if a trader uses leverage, he will not be able to stay in the trade for a long time due to the limited margin at which the liquidation of the position is possible.

[hafiztalha]

I agree with that, I mean even though there are some similarities with investing and trading, Like if you are trading your kinda investing as well on cryptocurrency as well, even though technically it wasnt something that long term, your still hoping that your investment is going to make a profit, but not all the time since you could lose your money on future trading, it was just the same on long term investment since you could lose money as well, well technically your not going to lose if your not going to sell your investment but when the value drop your investment value drop as well so your losing as well. Maybe the thing that your referring to is daily trading since daily trading is more like a quick investment where you could expect a profit overnight.

There are similarities between trading and investing but there are also differences that make the two different and one more better than the other. Of course it's investing that's the better to do but trading too can be done by those individual that have leant the skills very much and can comfortably do it without losing to the market. There are some precautions you can take while trading and trading won't be difficult for you. Some of them include only making use of spare cash while you're starting and wait until you have mastered trading very well before investing big in your capital. The same can be said about investing too because with experience, you can have more confidence to put more money in either trading or investing.

The differences between trading and investing must be clearly understood, the ultimate goal of both is to achieve success, and if they are not managed effectively, it is never possible to achieve success from it.Trading is basically an attempt to profit from short-term fluctuations, where quick decision-making, analyzing market trends and being skilled in risk management are very important. And investing is basically about achieving success in the long term, patience, planning and regularly building a financial foundation are the main goals, which will bring you success after a long time, not short-term success. So you have to be educated in these matters, one is less risky and the other is more risky, but if you do not manage it properly, you will face losses in both cases.

We see watching a traders who are earning but they are losing also with gaining. Because that is like a game and you can win in one day and in next day you can lose your money. Spot trading is less risky because they are buying something to sell and it's price could go up and we can get profit on that . Future trading is more risky because he are taking more risk and out account will be wash and  we have no money on the hold that is like a betting. I think investment is good option if you have money to invest and you have long term plan and price of Bitcoin is low , you should invest in that as you can after few years you will be happy with your step.People should aware of all scams if they have no knowledge of investment.

[batang_bitcoin]

If a trader trades without leverage, then in fact, if the price drops, he will turn into an investor who will have to wait a long time until the price returns to the purchase level. However, if a trader uses leverage, he will not be able to stay in the trade for a long time due to the limited margin at which the liquidation of the position is possible.

That's the good thing about trading without leverage, you're on the spot and you'll have to wait until you recovers. This is easy if you're having the top coins because they're for sure going to recover in time. But if this is done with some memecoins, coins that have been through a massive hype, the recover part is going to be hardly done. Still, that makes sense if someone who trades doesn't go with the future because no matter loss you'll incur at the time when the price drops, you're still have that chance to recover when the market comes back.

[Kelvinid]

...Even if the market goes down a lot after investing in a long term plan, it is normal for an investor, but for a trader, a small dumping of the market can cause a lot of loss.

If a trader trades without leverage, then in fact, if the price drops, he will turn into an investor who will have to wait a long time until the price returns to the purchase level. However, if a trader uses leverage, he will not be able to stay in the trade for a long time due to the limited margin at which the liquidation of the position is possible.

That is likely the reason why some see trading like investing, because we don't have to sell when the price isn't profitable to sell. Traders and investors share the common goal. The only difference is that traders are highly able to experience bigger profits because they can use leverage if they want, while investing alone won't have to do with leveraging. The only thing to do is just to wait when is the perfect time to sell and buy back again.

[Godday]

If a trader trades without leverage, then in fact, if the price drops, he will turn into an investor who will have to wait a long time until the price returns to the purchase level. However, if a trader uses leverage, he will not be able to stay in the trade for a long time due to the limited margin at which the liquidation of the position is possible.

That's the good thing about trading without leverage, you're on the spot and you'll have to wait until you recovers. This is easy if you're having the top coins because they're for sure going to recover in time. But if this is done with some memecoins, coins that have been through a massive hype, the recover part is going to be hardly done. Still, that makes sense if someone who trades doesn't go with the future because no matter loss you'll incur at the time when the price drops, you're still have that chance to recover when the market comes back.

The advantage of trading without leverage is that there is still hope of making a profit depending on the choice of coin. Many people recommend trading without leverage. Choosing the top altcoin and coin going down will not be a disaster because the altcoin will definitely rise more than that. It is true what you said, if you play on memecoin hype, it is very difficult to rise. Hope is no longer there even if the price of bitcoin reaches a new ATH because coin memes have to wait for Fomo and hype.

[CageMabok]

The advantage of trading without leverage is that there is still hope of making a profit depending on the choice of coin. Many people recommend trading without leverage. Choosing the top altcoin and coin going down will not be a disaster because the altcoin will definitely rise more than that. It is true what you said, if you play on memecoin hype, it is very difficult to rise. Hope is no longer there even if the price of bitcoin reaches a new ATH because coin memes have to wait for Fomo and hype.

Memecoins that often receive hype are new and recently listed on exchanges, and not yet fully available on many reputable exchanges. Therefore, it's not advisable for any trader to choose these new memecoins as a trading option, even if they're experiencing hype on a particular exchange. If a trader is late in selling during the hype, they could suffer losses due to being slow to capitalize on the opportunity to profit. However, for memecoins that already have substantial volume and strong fundamentals on several reputable exchanges, I believe they're perfectly acceptable for short-term trading options.

[junder]

Furthermore, the level of luck varies greatly among traders, so some traders simply won't have the same luck on different days. This is something all traders need to understand because trading isn't solely about skill, knowledge, and experience; ultimately, luck also comes down to personal preference. Currently, I'm not trading very regularly because I'm still a little uncertain about market conditions, which sometimes seem stagnant and sometimes experience price declines. So, I prefer to wait for a more opportune moment if I want to focus on trading in the next few days.

When it comes to luck, everyone's luck is different. For example, if someone is successful in trading, like my neighbor, who consistently earns profits and even bought a house from his trading, it's because he has a good knowledge of trading and his luck in trading allows him to make a profit. However, if he pursues something else, such as a business, it might not work out as well. Another person might be unlucky in trading but also lucky and successful in business. This is a natural law that has been measured and cannot be changed.

[Bobrox]

Memecoins that often receive hype are new and recently listed on exchanges, and not yet fully available on many reputable exchanges. Therefore, it's not advisable for any trader to choose these new memecoins as a trading option, even if they're experiencing hype on a particular exchange. If a trader is late in selling during the hype, they could suffer losses due to being slow to capitalize on the opportunity to profit. However, for memecoins that already have substantial volume and strong fundamentals on several reputable exchanges, I believe they're perfectly acceptable for short-term trading options.

Not really advisable yet when trading with meme coins because we need entry at quite early moment if want to earn much profit and won't get scam, just two way achievement when trading at meme coin between earn much profitable increasing x3 to x10 or loss all without have chance any way to sell meme coins its self. Usually meme coins after moment listing at market must be careful and its too late for buying, if want earn more in meme coins looking for the coins still not listing at the market and sell it after the project releasing ANN for listing at market.

Some time mange trader got wrong way when trading with meme coins, after releasing announcement at exchange about listing at their market many people will buy but without few minutes after listing moment price of meme coin huge decreasing and get loss much. I am not really recommended for any one interested to buy meme coins after ANN releasing for listing at market.

[WatChe]

When it comes to luck, everyone's luck is different. For example, if someone is successful in trading, like my neighbor, who consistently earns profits and even bought a house from his trading, it's because he has a good knowledge of trading and his luck in trading allows him to make a profit. However, if he pursues something else, such as a business, it might not work out as well. Another person might be unlucky in trading but also lucky and successful in business. This is a natural law that has been measured and cannot be changed.

I have a colleague in my office who recently started crypto trading and is getting good success from it. Now seeing his success there are few other people in our office who also started trading but they all failed to get good results. This clearly tells us that what works for you may or may not work for me.

I also tried crypto trading but very soon figured out that it's not for me, so I switched to long term investment and I am getting good results from this strategy. It's very important to figure out the right strategy that suits you otherwise your hard work won't produce good results for you.   

[bitzizzix]

When it comes to luck, everyone's luck is different. For example, if someone is successful in trading, like my neighbor, who consistently earns profits and even bought a house from his trading, it's because he has a good knowledge of trading and his luck in trading allows him to make a profit. However, if he pursues something else, such as a business, it might not work out as well. Another person might be unlucky in trading but also lucky and successful in business. This is a natural law that has been measured and cannot be changed.

I have a colleague in my office who recently started crypto trading and is getting good success from it. Now seeing his success there are few other people in our office who also started trading but they all failed to get good results. This clearly tells us that what works for you may or may not work for me.

I also tried crypto trading but very soon figured out that it's not for me, so I switched to long term investment and I am getting good results from this strategy. It's very important to figure out the right strategy that suits you otherwise your hard work won't produce good results for you.   

Yes, you're right, because I also have a friend who trades and has made significant profits, which has significantly improved his situation, especially financially. However, I believe his success is commensurate with his effort and hard work. Besides his passion for trading, he also always carries a laptop to constantly monitor the market.
I've also discussed trading with him out of curiosity, but his explanations felt too complicated and I didn't think it suited me. And I define it as, when we discuss business or anything else with someone and the conversation is lively and enthusiastic, it shows we have the ability in that business. If it's not and lacks enthusiasm, it shows the business isn't suitable for us because there's no drive in the discussion.
So, I prefer to invest in what I've been doing for a long time because I understand it well and thoroughly, which I don't think is complicated. Generally, just make a purchase and keep buying regularly to hold it over the long term to generate good returns. And never try something just because you're tempted by instant results and large profits, because if you force it and don't align with your capabilities, it will all end in disaster.

[YOSHIE]

In the new situation, we almost equate trading and investing. Trading and long-term investing are two completely different things, let us discuss these issues in detail below.

This has become a real certainty about trading and investment. It can be differentiated based on the time period and strategy, although there are real differences between the two, there are trading options that work almost the same as investing.

The spot trading method is often associated with investment, because of the nature of buying and selling crypto assets, we can complete it in the form of futures trading, of course by setting the price of crypto assets for the future.

However, trading and investing are two things that clearly have differences, but as long as the crypto assets we invest in have real advantages, I think there is no obstacle or difference.

[tvplus006]

...Traders and investors share the common goal. The only difference is that traders are highly able to experience bigger profits because they can use leverage if they want, while investing alone won't have to do with leveraging.

The most important difference between an investor and a trader is that a trader can lose his deposit when he buys expensive and sells cheap, and in some cases his deposit can be liquidated by the exchange. This cannot happen to an investor, but it must be remembered that his balance sheet may be significantly devalued.

[Finebone]

In the new situation, we almost equate trading and investing. Trading and long-term investing are two completely different things, let us discuss these issues in detail below.

Buying a coin is not considered an investment, if a person buys a particular coin and sells it for some profit then it is considered trading. Investing is when you buy a reliable coin and try to hold it for a long time.

Your thoughts about trading and investing are right, trading is mostly about short term profit and looking for ways in the market you can be able to make quick money, while an investor only sees his long term goal as the price, not by small small wins in the market that will not change his financial standards.

Additionally, an investor is more patient with their investment than traders, and this is why the rate at which they succeed is much higher than traders that would jump out of a trade due to impatient of not being able to wait for the price to reverse even though it's going to take a longer duration of time to do so.
But my sentiment about both is that they are both good only if you knows what you are doing, because that is the only way you can get the best answer from any of them you are into.

[Dzwaafu11]

Trading takes time and learning, while you are into trading i mean trying to learn it, you should consider investing for long term, this will reassure you that you spent your time very well, it took me 2 years to get some basic trading knowledge especially reading the chart.

Start investing and keep learning trading, it is a win win situation.

This is one of the best replies I see in this thread. Keep investing and learning trading; it is a very good idea, because while you are learning through crypto trading, it is going to be of help if you are investing at the same time.

But many don’t really think of this method because all their mind is on how to make money through crypto trading, because many of them think crypto investments won’t give them much compared to what they’re aiming for in crypto trading. Forgetting that a long-time investment can also give someone the same thing. But newbies whose minds are already in trading believe in it more than investment.

[bangjoe]

...Even if the market goes down a lot after investing in a long term plan, it is normal for an investor, but for a trader, a small dumping of the market can cause a lot of loss.

If a trader trades without leverage, then in fact, if the price drops, he will turn into an investor who will have to wait a long time until the price returns to the purchase level. However, if a trader uses leverage, he will not be able to stay in the trade for a long time due to the limited margin at which the liquidation of the position is possible.

True, someone who buys spot he will be much safer because the price fluctuation will only affect the value of the goods and the ownership remains with the same amount so there is a chance to wait for the price to rise back to the peak, but those who use leverage will be very hot after his prediction does not match the analysis he made, The position will be lost if the margin is insufficient to hold the price position bought, leverage in the cruelest killer, in these two full months from October to November many have lost their money because of leverage, positions are liquidated, trillions of dollars are handed over to the exchange where they are long or short.

[batang_bitcoin]

If a trader trades without leverage, then in fact, if the price drops, he will turn into an investor who will have to wait a long time until the price returns to the purchase level. However, if a trader uses leverage, he will not be able to stay in the trade for a long time due to the limited margin at which the liquidation of the position is possible.

That's the good thing about trading without leverage, you're on the spot and you'll have to wait until you recovers. This is easy if you're having the top coins because they're for sure going to recover in time. But if this is done with some memecoins, coins that have been through a massive hype, the recover part is going to be hardly done. Still, that makes sense if someone who trades doesn't go with the future because no matter loss you'll incur at the time when the price drops, you're still have that chance to recover when the market comes back.

The advantage of trading without leverage is that there is still hope of making a profit depending on the choice of coin. Many people recommend trading without leverage. Choosing the top altcoin and coin going down will not be a disaster because the altcoin will definitely rise more than that. It is true what you said, if you play on memecoin hype, it is very difficult to rise. Hope is no longer there even if the price of bitcoin reaches a new ATH because coin memes have to wait for Fomo and hype.

Yes, it won't be painful if a sudden crash comes along with that trade without the leverage. Because eventually, the market will become better and that's how easy it is to recover from those positions that we have. There is no need to panic at that time and all we have to do is to make sure that we've got a serious position that we're going to hold for quite a while. Also those who have traded with memecoins or invested onto those, they mostly didn't profited from it and so it's best to avoid being an investor into that category of coins.

[coinerer]

You have indicated an aspect of difference that most people overlook. Trading and long-term investment involves buying of coins but the manner of thinking, planning and anticipating outcome is quite different. Trading targets the short term fluctuations of prices. It involves checking charts constantly, responding to ups and downs speedily and attempting to achieve minor but frequent profit. A minor error may lead to losses within no time. Long term investing is based on patience and certainty. Investors choose good, solid, reliable investments and disregard the short term market noise since they invest with a long term growth in years, not days. A trader has to master emotions and timing the market. An investor considers the fundamentals and believes in the long game. The combination of these two strategies usually disappoints new entrants. The initial step towards remaining disciplined and avoiding unnecessary losses is knowing the strategy that you are employing.

[beveryu778]

The difference between trading and long-term investing,
Since investment is planned for a long term, small changes in the market do not affect an investor, as a result of which the investor does not care much about this small fluctuation in the market. In this case, trading is different, the main purpose of trading is to earn a small amount of profit, to earn this small amount of profit, a trader always has to keep an eye on the changes in the market and when the trader thinks that the market has come down relatively now and he should buy a coin, he buys a coin and when the profit is as expected, he sells it. It is wrong to think that a trader will profit by trading, many times it is seen that a trader is facing a lot of money loss for a small amount of profit. Even if the market goes down a lot after investing in a long term plan, it is normal for an investor, but for a trader, a small dumping of the market can cause a lot of loss.

You have described the distinction quite effectively. The difference between trading and long-term investing is usually confused whereas they demand entirely different ways of thinking and approach. The business of trading is concerned with temporary prices, and small gains are made, thus it is a business of continually watching the market and making snap decisions. This is both tense and dangerous because a slight fall in the market will cause huge losses. Long-term investing however is concerned with the purchasing of trustworthy coins and keeping them over several years without thinking of short term fluctuations and concentrating on the eventual growth over a period. Traders are interested in quick profit but investors are interested in the gradual accumulation of wealth and this makes them less susceptible to market volatility. The two methods are important, however, it is important to know your financial goals, risk tolerance, and time horizon to see which one fits you in the best way possible. It is often quite possible to find a golden mean between those who do not want to engage in trading as it is risky, and those who do not want to invest as it can yield significant returns over time.

[Bitcoin_people]

There are many differences between trading and investing, among which I prefer the investment as this medium can change a person's future. When you are trading, your chances of losing are high, moreover, trading is a trap where you will lose if you are not experienced. We have no idea when the market will move in which direction, so if we go into trading, we will definitely face losses and it is risky.
However, when you move from trading to investing, your risk will be greatly reduced. Especially when your plan is moving towards a long-term investment, you can definitely expect to make a profit from it. If you can wait a few years by investing in Bitcoin, you will be able to earn several times more profit from it. In that case, long-term investment is the better option, an investment for your future can put you in a good position. So I will choose investment between trading and investment, it will help change your financial position in the future.

[bettercrypto]

It is true that trading and long-term investment are different. With trading, we can potentially make a profit most of the time if we truly have extensive knowledge of trading, but the capital we use can also be wiped out if our knowledge in this area is not that extensive.

However, for long-term investment in the crypto space, of course, it will depend on the assets we choose. Besides BTC, there are other crypto assets that are also really
good for the long term in my opinion.