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October 14, 2025, 12:45:04 PM
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RandomX on a Bitcoin fork invites botnets and churn. With a tiny fixed cap your security budget collapses after issuance. Add tail emission or expect cheap reorgs.

PQC should start hybrid. Add outputs spendable by ECDSA or Dilithium/Falcon. Publish signature size, verify time, and fee impact before launch.

A one-week "bootstrap" is a premine. You should drop it and do a public testnet instead. Then a coordinated mainnet with a frozen commit, reproducible builds, multiple independent seeds, and a start anchored to a Bitcoin block height.

How  do some people have images in their signatures yet the rules say "Images not allowed" ?
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October 14, 2025, 01:16:29 PM
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LOL, nice try, but a premine is any time one or more people have had access to mining a coin before the general public. It doesn't have to be set percentages allocated by the dev... That is the most ridiculous definition I have EVER heard.

Okay thanks for correcting.
So there will be no premining. All binaries will be listed on GitHub and mining would start that day. We'll be creating a donation address which will be used for exchange listings and marketing.
But still need PQ devs to implement Falcon/quantum-resistant signature algorithms in current core (RandomX is already done)
That's much better
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October 14, 2025, 05:13:30 PM
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RandomX on a Bitcoin fork invites botnets and churn. With a tiny fixed cap your security budget collapses after issuance. Add tail emission or expect cheap reorgs.

PQC should start hybrid. Add outputs spendable by ECDSA or Dilithium/Falcon. Publish signature size, verify time, and fee impact before launch.

A one-week "bootstrap" is a premine. You should drop it and do a public testnet instead. Then a coordinated mainnet with a frozen commit, reproducible builds, multiple independent seeds, and a start anchored to a a Bitcoin block height.

Thank you. This is exactly the kind of high-level, critical feedback this project needs. Let me address them

On PoW, Security Budget, and Tail Emission:
My initial choice of RandomX was to avoid the immediate network centralization from ASICs that would kill a community launch on Day 1. If we used SHA-256, established ASIC farms would instantly dominate the hashrate, giving no chance for the community or developers to participate.

However, your point about the long-term security budget collapsing is a major concern that I have been weighing. A pure fixed-cap supply is simple, but as you said, it can lead to cheap reorgs in the future. A tail emission is a proven solution for this, ensuring a permanent security budget. This seems like a necessary trade-off for long-term network health and it's a topic the core team must seriously consider.

On PQC Implementation:
100% agree. A hybrid approach is the only responsible way to introduce new cryptography. It provides a necessary fallback and allows the ecosystem to adapt. And you're right, publishing hard data on signature size, verification costs, and fee impact from a public testnet is a non-negotiable prerequisite to any mainnet launch.

On the Launch Process & Developer Incentives:
It completely invalidates my "bootstrap" idea. Thank you for setting the standard straight, this is the process we must follow.

This raises the fundamental question that every fair-launch project faces: how do we incentivize the core developers who will spend months of unpaid time building this?

If a headstart is a premine, and a premine is unacceptable, we need a transparent and fair mechanism. Here are some potential ideas, and I'm open to better ones:
  • A small, hard-coded treasury fund: Something in the range of 0.5-1% of the total supply, vested over a long period (e.g., 2-4 years). This would be transparent in the coinbase and provide a budget for sustained development, audits, and listings, not a one-time payout.
  • A public donation address: A simple, voluntary way for the community to support the project post-launch.
I am completely open to more suggestions. How have other successful fair-launch projects solved this incentive problem without compromising on fairness? Your insight here would be invaluable.
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October 14, 2025, 07:44:16 PM
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Hi! Could you please create a Discord group? It would make it much easier for us to discuss everything in one place.
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October 25, 2025, 01:26:24 PM
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so ?
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October 27, 2025, 10:12:43 PM
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You should get your quantum resistance in place before launch, otherwise it looks like umpteen other vapourware projects pretending to be about quantum or about A.I. or whatever catchphrases but really just about a cash grab from the initial launch.

If you are far from actually having realistic quantum resistance it might be far better to simply join whatever team already doing that is closest to launch and working with them than trying for yet another me-too "quantum resistant coin" while not actually even having a specific design let alone code for it.

Maybe even look into haircomb which bootstraps from bitcoin's already existing strong security, proof of work and userbase.


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October 28, 2025, 03:08:15 AM
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Hi! Could you please create a Discord group? It would make it much easier for us to discuss everything in one place.
If it is for this project discussion, it would be better to open a group and discuss it in detail there to come to a good output.
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October 28, 2025, 06:11:32 AM
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A Bitcoin Core fork with RandomX PoW successfully compiled and running on testnet indicates solid groundwork.
 Sharing the public repo link or build guide would help validate reproducibility...
Which post-quantum signature scheme is being evaluated for feasibility first — Falcon or Dilithium?
How will the team benchmark implementation efficiency and backward compatibility with existing ECDSA wallets?....
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October 28, 2025, 09:40:09 AM
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RandomX on a Bitcoin fork invites botnets and churn. With a tiny fixed cap your security budget collapses after issuance. Add tail emission or expect cheap reorgs.

PQC should start hybrid. Add outputs spendable by ECDSA or Dilithium/Falcon. Publish signature size, verify time, and fee impact before launch.

A one-week "bootstrap" is a premine. You should drop it and do a public testnet instead. Then a coordinated mainnet with a frozen commit, reproducible builds, multiple independent seeds, and a start anchored to a a Bitcoin block height.

Thank you. This is exactly the kind of high-level, critical feedback this project needs. Let me address them

On PoW, Security Budget, and Tail Emission:
My initial choice of RandomX was to avoid the immediate network centralization from ASICs that would kill a community launch on Day 1. If we used SHA-256, established ASIC farms would instantly dominate the hashrate, giving no chance for the community or developers to participate.

However, your point about the long-term security budget collapsing is a major concern that I have been weighing. A pure fixed-cap supply is simple, but as you said, it can lead to cheap reorgs in the future. A tail emission is a proven solution for this, ensuring a permanent security budget. This seems like a necessary trade-off for long-term network health and it's a topic the core team must seriously consider.

On PQC Implementation:
100% agree. A hybrid approach is the only responsible way to introduce new cryptography. It provides a necessary fallback and allows the ecosystem to adapt. And you're right, publishing hard data on signature size, verification costs, and fee impact from a public testnet is a non-negotiable prerequisite to any mainnet launch.

On the Launch Process & Developer Incentives:
It completely invalidates my "bootstrap" idea. Thank you for setting the standard straight, this is the process we must follow.

This raises the fundamental question that every fair-launch project faces: how do we incentivize the core developers who will spend months of unpaid time building this?

If a headstart is a premine, and a premine is unacceptable, we need a transparent and fair mechanism. Here are some potential ideas, and I'm open to better ones:
  • A small, hard-coded treasury fund: Something in the range of 0.5-1% of the total supply, vested over a long period (e.g., 2-4 years). This would be transparent in the coinbase and provide a budget for sustained development, audits, and listings, not a one-time payout.
  • A public donation address: A simple, voluntary way for the community to support the project post-launch.
I am completely open to more suggestions. How have other successful fair-launch projects solved this incentive problem without compromising on fairness? Your insight here would be invaluable.

I really like the concept and find the project interesting. I have deep knowledge of the Bitcoin codebase and strong software engineering skills. Based on my experience, the mining algorithm is the most critical point, and we should discuss it in much greater depth. Not only which Proof-of-Work algorithm would be the most suitable, but also whether PoW itself is the right choice at all.

Another key factor that needs thorough consideration is the development budget. It must be sustainable not just at the start but throughout the entire lifecycle so that development is independently profitable. The best solution could be to programmatically allocate a portion of miners’ revenue to a general treasury, and then subdivide that treasury into categories (development, marketing, testing, design) to keep them separate. This is important enough that it could even be part of the consensus.

This approach also eliminates the need to premine 1–5%, since within each budget category participants can transparently and precisely account for who contributed how much and of what quality. For example, in the public codebase, each developer’s work is visible through the quality and quantity of commits. Even those that don’t make it into the main branch. Ultimately, this would allow active supporters of the project to be compensated in real time and in proportion to their contributions.
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November 10, 2025, 11:35:13 AM
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