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Putin is not in a position to stop the war as it has become the legitimacy structure of the regime. You do not just walk back and leave your security apparatus to keep you alive. The siloviki who have dedicated themselves to this route also have no way out. They have burnt relationships, wealth, reputation in foreign countries. And, what's the plan, retire quietly?
In Moscow: managed collapse of Chinese subordination versus disorganized collapse possible change of regimes. The former leaves some individuals alive and rich, but not sovereign. The second is a lottery, in which the majority of the participants lose it all, including their lives
The economic factors you are citing are relevant to populations and not to autocratic survival. Famine became a method of industrialization by Stalin. Shelves remained empty decades as the USSR continued to spend more on military expenditure. Authoritarian regimes may withstand considerable economic hardship so long as the coercive apparatus remains well resourced and dedicated
This is why China angle is vital. Beijing not giving partnership, they offering receivership. And Putin is aware of it, and this makes him even more dangerous, not less. Cornered leaders who possess nuclear weapons do not normally opt to the rational exit
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The Russian military sector has ceased to support the economy, and the country is facing financial collapse and rising prices. For the first time in three and a half years of military intervention in Ukraine, the Russian military-industrial complex has ceased to be the main driver of the economy. Production of tanks, armored vehicles, and metal products has plummeted: in September, the decline ranged from 6% to 20%.
Rosstat conceals the scale of the crisis, but even the official figures are staggering: GDP growth has stalled, budget revenues have fallen by 21%, and the deficit is five times higher than planned.
Starting January 1, the Kremlin is raising the VAT rate to 22% and eliminating benefits for small businesses, effectively siphoning off middle-class funds to finance the war. Entrepreneurs are closing their businesses, and Putin can no longer control the situation even in the food market. Gazprom has shifted its losses to the population, the Ministry of Finance is cutting spending, and new US sanctions against Rosneft and Lukoil are depriving Russia of the Indian market. The only major buyer is China, but on October 30th in Busan, Trump and Xi will discuss the future of the aggressor country – without Russia.
When a warring state is unable to even maintain its own armed forces, it's not just a crisis—it's a financial collapse. To avoid becoming a permanent colony of China, Russia has only one option: end the war and save the economy. Which path will Russia choose, given that ending the war in Ukraine is mortally dangerous for both Putin himself and his regime as a whole?
The economic impact of Russia's war against Ukraine has been negative. But the country has been able to survive thanks to its partnership with China, India, and surrounding allies. Especially China and India which are the biggest customers of Russian oil. China has been giving tech to Russia, too. Even North Korea assisted Russia in the war. Many are saying sanctions against Russia have backfired against the West, as Russia has found an alternative to keep supporting its economy. Now it is planning to adopt cryptocurrencies for cross-border payments. All in an attempt to effectively circumvent/bypass sanctions. Since crypto is decentralized, it would be almost impossible to take down. How would Russia be stopped? There is simply no way. Putin will continue with the war until Russia claims victory for good. The West is already losing a lot of money by supplying weapons to Ukraine. Everybody loses in this game. We will see what the outcome of the war will be during the remainder of the year. Here's hoping for the best. In this situation, Russia looks, to put it mildly, like a “colossus with feet of clay.” Until 2014, it was the largest economy, claiming to own “40% of the world's resources” and boasting the world's second-largest army. As a result, after attacking a weakened Ukraine, plundered and bled dry by the Yanukovych regime, “great Russia” is forced to beg from Iran and North Korea and sell its most valuable resources for pennies to China and India. This is certainly a “powerful indicator”  Ties with the civilized world have been severed, more than 50% of the economy is a war economy that does not generate real GDP, and 50%+ of Russia's economic output is turning into a pile of scrap metal and corpses in a matter of weeks... Stagnation, inflation, growing irrecoverable debts, and the impoverishment of the population — a “great victory” 
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I don't know but i just feel this is a smear campaign against Russia, I've heard stories of this nature flying before now ever since the war between Russia and Ukraine broke out, however there have been series of Sanctions against Russia, yet the destructive side and the people hit with worse economic situation and war situation is the Ukraine, I've not seen any physical destruction of lives and properties of Russia since the it started, how truthful can it be to say that the Russian economy is in crisis, although I know they might have faced challenges due to those sanctions. But at this point, I think campaigns of such nature will not help the situation, there should be deliberate effort by EU and other unions to help broker peace, the bad blood the war has created is enough already.
When you figured you can't win a war at the battlefield you gat to be wise to propagate other means of battle which may literally not be the physical battle fought on the battlefield. The media has being a tool for destruction for those who have control over it they can always manufacture stories that gives the world out there a different perspective of the reality on ground. Following the media Russia has being on the losing sidelines in this war in all perspectives but yet Russia has fallen to its feet for the years the war has persisted. The only time peace could be genuinely brokered is when those benefiting from the war has no interest in the war anymore.
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War can never bring good. War has a negative impact not only on two countries but also on the economic, social and political aspects of the entire world. Because the economy of one country in the world is related to another country. Just as Ukraine has been economically damaged in this war, Russia has also been economically damaged. On top of that, Russian exports have been restricted, assets have been seized, the Russian SWIFT system has been removed and oil prices have been capped. Despite all these restrictions, Russia is still surviving. Recently, President Trump has allowed Hungary to buy oil from Russia. This is a relief for Russia. Again, it will bring great benefits to Hungary. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/07/trump-opens-the-door-for-an-exemption-for-hungary-on-russian-oil-sanctions-00642146
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War can never bring good. War has a negative impact not only on two countries but also on the economic, social and political aspects of the entire world. Because the economy of one country in the world is related to another country. Just as Ukraine has been economically damaged in this war, Russia has also been economically damaged. On top of that, Russian exports have been restricted, assets have been seized, the Russian SWIFT system has been removed and oil prices have been capped. Despite all these restrictions, Russia is still surviving. Recently, President Trump has allowed Hungary to buy oil from Russia. This is a relief for Russia. Again, it will bring great benefits to Hungary. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/07/trump-opens-the-door-for-an-exemption-for-hungary-on-russian-oil-sanctions-00642146It is difficult to compare the damage caused by economic losses to third parties with, for example, the destruction of peaceful cities and hundreds of thousands of civilians who have fallen victim to this terrorist war. And the world would not have to suffer from this if the world were not corrupt and if alliances and international institutions clearly adhered to their goals and laws. Since 2014, we have seen the complete impotence of international law, the UN, the Red Cross, NATO, and other associations that, according to their statutes and objectives, should have immediately given the harshest response to the aggressor, regardless of connections and “yesterday we sat at the same table with him.” It is good that some countries have nevertheless found the honor and courage to help Ukraine resist the terrorist attack. But this assistance is very weak and does not allow for a swift and devastating response to the aggressor. Unfortunately, the world does not understand that if state terror is not stopped now, or better yet, destroyed, tomorrow it will all come to Europe. And seeing the passivity, inaction, and fear of tough measures on the part of the “developed collective West,” systemic state terrorism will simply engulf the whole world. And then it will be too late to “express concern.” But, fortunately, even weak economic measures are producing noticeable results. Just a few news items from the “stable Russian economy”: - The State Duma has announced the mass impoverishment of Russians - Russians' expectations regarding their standard of living have fallen to their lowest level since the end of 2022 - The Russian Academy of Sciences has confirmed that there has been no economic growth for almost two years - Revenues from oil mineral extraction tax (MET) to the Russian budget in November will fall by 34% compared to November 2024 This is just a sample of the top ten news stories from Russia today...
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When you figured you can't win a war at the battlefield you gat to be wise to propagate other means of battle which may literally not be the physical battle fought on the battlefield. The media has being a tool for destruction for those who have control over it they can always manufacture stories that gives the world out there a different perspective of the reality on ground. Following the media Russia has being on the losing sidelines in this war in all perspectives but yet Russia has fallen to its feet for the years the war has persisted. The only time peace could be genuinely brokered is when those benefiting from the war has no interest in the war anymore.
Look, it's really hard to tell what's truth and what's propaganda during a war. The media often emphasizes one side more so we might think it's just an attempt to create a story against a country. There are sanctions on Russia, but we see that their society or economy has not completely collapsed. On the contrary the damage in Ukraine is more visible. People's lives, homes, cities have been destroyed there. I think the most important thing right now is to talk about peace. Whichever side is involved if the war continues, both sides will lose in the end. So the real solution will be when those who have the decision in their hands will no longer have any benefit in continuing the war. Until then we just watch the news with doubts and questions.
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When you figured you can't win a war at the battlefield you gat to be wise to propagate other means of battle which may literally not be the physical battle fought on the battlefield. The media has being a tool for destruction for those who have control over it they can always manufacture stories that gives the world out there a different perspective of the reality on ground. Following the media Russia has being on the losing sidelines in this war in all perspectives but yet Russia has fallen to its feet for the years the war has persisted. The only time peace could be genuinely brokered is when those benefiting from the war has no interest in the war anymore.
Look, it's really hard to tell what's truth and what's propaganda during a war. The media often emphasizes one side more so we might think it's just an attempt to create a story against a country. There are sanctions on Russia, but we see that their society or economy has not completely collapsed. On the contrary the damage in Ukraine is more visible. People's lives, homes, cities have been destroyed there. I think the most important thing right now is to talk about peace. Whichever side is involved if the war continues, both sides will lose in the end. So the real solution will be when those who have the decision in their hands will no longer have any benefit in continuing the war. Until then we just watch the news with doubts and questions. This war can only be stopped by completely isolating and demilitarizing today's aggressor. If you are reassuring yourself with the idea that “we will negotiate and stop the war,” just listen to the narratives currently being promoted by Kremlin propaganda, with its screeching and total coverage: DESTROY the Western world, capture EUROPEAN countries, create an alliance of rogue and terrorist countries! Rashism is a cancerous tumor, just like Nazism. Nazism was successfully “burned out,” and we did not get metastases all over the world and allow Nazism to take over the world. For some reason, with Rashism, they decided to play games, try to persuade, calm down... Cancer cannot be cured with persuasion and ointments; it can only be destroyed by completely destroying the carrier cells, and then very carefully monitoring to ensure that no cells of Rashism appear anywhere. Don't delude yourself with fantasies and don't try to fool yourself with the option of “negotiating and appeasing the aggressor,” otherwise he will soon come and destroy your home and take the lives of your loved ones....
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Look, it's really hard to tell what's truth and what's propaganda during a war. The media often emphasizes one side more so we might think it's just an attempt to create a story against a country. There are sanctions on Russia, but we see that their society or economy has not completely collapsed. On the contrary the damage in Ukraine is more visible. People's lives, homes, cities have been destroyed there.
I think the most important thing right now is to talk about peace. Whichever side is involved if the war continues, both sides will lose in the end. So the real solution will be when those who have the decision in their hands will no longer have any benefit in continuing the war. Until then we just watch the news with doubts and questions.
in times of war, truth is actually clouded by narratives and interests from both sides. The human cost, especially in Ukraine, is undeniable and heartbreaking. And you are also right that real peace will only come when the key decision makers no longer see advantage in continuing the conflict. Until then, it is crucial for people to keep questioning, stay informed from multiple sources, and keep advocating for peace above politics.
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When you figured you can't win a war at the battlefield you gat to be wise to propagate other means of battle which may literally not be the physical battle fought on the battlefield. The media has being a tool for destruction for those who have control over it they can always manufacture stories that gives the world out there a different perspective of the reality on ground. Following the media Russia has being on the losing sidelines in this war in all perspectives but yet Russia has fallen to its feet for the years the war has persisted. The only time peace could be genuinely brokered is when those benefiting from the war has no interest in the war anymore.
Look, it's really hard to tell what's truth and what's propaganda during a war. The media often emphasizes one side more so we might think it's just an attempt to create a story against a country. There are sanctions on Russia, but we see that their society or economy has not completely collapsed. On the contrary the damage in Ukraine is more visible. People's lives, homes, cities have been destroyed there. I think the most important thing right now is to talk about peace. Whichever side is involved if the war continues, both sides will lose in the end. So the real solution will be when those who have the decision in their hands will no longer have any benefit in continuing the war. Until then we just watch the news with doubts and questions. Which of these two are severely destructive and could collapse real fast than the other?! For between an economic sanctions that are doing little to no much negative effects on a country because they have being able to galvanized through other alternatives, and a situation of physical destructions of homes, lives and strategic economic facilities. Without much words I think we all know the answer despite what the media would flash. However that's not what we pray for but for a way to a lasting peace consolidated by all interested parties.
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Look, it's really hard to tell what's truth and what's propaganda during a war. The media often emphasizes one side more so we might think it's just an attempt to create a story against a country. There are sanctions on Russia, but we see that their society or economy has not completely collapsed. On the contrary the damage in Ukraine is more visible. People's lives, homes, cities have been destroyed there.
I think the most important thing right now is to talk about peace. Whichever side is involved if the war continues, both sides will lose in the end. So the real solution will be when those who have the decision in their hands will no longer have any benefit in continuing the war. Until then we just watch the news with doubts and questions.
Both countries are suffering dearly. Economically, and politically. How can you say Russia isn't affected? Sanctions had a negative effect over Russia's economy. It's just that Russia learned to adapt by creating alternative methods to support its economy. The situation is not as good as before the war, but at least, it's better something than nothing. Ukraine has received aid from the West, but that hasn't been enough to propel its economy (and society) back from the ground. An end to the war, will ensure financial prosperity to all parties. It's not a matter of "IF", but rather "WHEN". With lasting peace, things can go back to normal (I think).
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Look, it's really hard to tell what's truth and what's propaganda during a war. The media often emphasizes one side more so we might think it's just an attempt to create a story against a country. There are sanctions on Russia, but we see that their society or economy has not completely collapsed. On the contrary the damage in Ukraine is more visible. People's lives, homes, cities have been destroyed there.
I think the most important thing right now is to talk about peace. Whichever side is involved if the war continues, both sides will lose in the end. So the real solution will be when those who have the decision in their hands will no longer have any benefit in continuing the war. Until then we just watch the news with doubts and questions.
Both countries are suffering dearly. Economically, and politically. How can you say Russia isn't affected? Sanctions had a negative effect over Russia's economy. It's just that Russia learned to adapt by creating alternative methods to support its economy. The situation is not as good as before the war, but at least, it's better something than nothing. Ukraine has received aid from the West, but that hasn't been enough to propel its economy (and society) back from the ground. An end to the war, will ensure financial prosperity to all parties. It's not a matter of "IF", but rather "WHEN". With lasting peace, things can go back to normal (I think). Sorry, but your reasoning is a little strange. No offense—I'll explain. “How can you say Russia isn't affected?” - i.e., do you perceive them as victims of the situation as well? Like, they had nothing to do with it and suffered too? Let me give you a very harsh analogy, and you respond, okay? Just don't be offended by the example, but it paints a very clear picture... So (again, I apologize for what I'm about to write): an armed thug is maiming and trying to kill your mother. People around are trying to push the thug away. Someone might even throw a stick at him... The question is, would you also sympathize with the thug and say that he has suffered no less than your mother? Am I right? Do you think sanctions can be considered a problem comparable to the fact that russia is a terrorist country that attacked Ukraine, destroyed thousands of cities and villages in Ukraine, simply wiping them off the face of the earth, and killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian citizens in the most sadistic way? Am I right? PS I can show you photos and videos from that night when UAVs and ballistic missiles simply shot up my native Kiev, where I live. No, they weren't flying towards military units or warehouses. They were flying towards residential buildings, peaceful streets, and facilities that provide heat, electricity, and water to the peaceful homes of peaceful citizens.
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War they say is an architect of economic downfall and never add value to any countries GDP or economic development. Before Russia Started the war with Ukrain they had one of the best economy which cuts across All sector making Russia one of the best country to live in but has received an economic downfall and other sanction that have contributed massively to the today Russia with a weak economy which could be revived once they peaceful end the conflict between them and Ukrain which we know will Take little time
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War they say is an architect of economic downfall and never add value to any countries GDP or economic development. Before Russia Started the war with Ukrain they had one of the best economy which cuts across All sector making Russia one of the best country to live in but has received an economic downfall and other sanction that have contributed massively to the today Russia with a weak economy which could be revived once they peaceful end the conflict between them and Ukrain which we know will Take little time
I believe that no country wants war because it brings no benefits, especially when the war is prolonged and the warring parties are bogged down in war for a long time. But sometimes war is inevitable if it violates a nation's sovereignty and long-term interests. I believe that neither Russia nor Ukraine wants war, but there are too many forces that would benefit if such a war happened. So eventually, it happened and it was inevitable. Russia is a country rich in resources and energy, and also has advanced scientific and technological achievements. So it is not too difficult to see that they can maintain their economy during wartime or will easily restore their economy after the war. It's just that the West doesn't want to accept the truth and they are using the media to distort the truth.
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November 15, 2025, 08:03:27 AM |
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I believe that neither Russia nor Ukraine wants war, but there are too many forces that would benefit if such a war happened. So eventually, it happened and it was inevitable.
Russia is a country rich in resources and energy, and also has advanced scientific and technological achievements. So it is not too difficult to see that they can maintain their economy during wartime or will easily restore their economy after the war. It's just that the West doesn't want to accept the truth and they are using the media to distort the truth.
Why do you think Russia doesn't want war if it's been attacking Ukraine with its troops every day for four years, trying to capture and destroy that state? Russia only needs to withdraw its invading forces from the territory of a sovereign neighboring state, and the war will end, if Russia truly doesn't want war. But Russia wants to seize Ukraine's natural and human resources, and Putin is especially eager to appropriate Ukraine's history, without which Russia wouldn't have its long history and its imagined greatness. Russian history textbooks still include the history of the powerful state of Kievan Rus', which existed from the 9th to the 12th centuries and covered mainly what is now northern Ukraine. Under this state, Moscow was first mentioned in chronicles in 1187 as a small village belonging to the Kievan Prince Andrei Bogolyubsky. The name "Russia" comes from Greek, where the word "Rus'" was transformed into "Rosiya" (Greek: Ῥωσία). From Greek church books in the late 14th and early 15th centuries, it entered the Russian language, where it gradually supplanted the older name. Initially, Byzantine sources used a stem with the letter "o" instead of "u," and then, by analogy with the double "s" in the word "Russian," a form with two "s" emerged. The use of the name "Rossiya" instead of "Rus" began in the 17th century. In 1547, Ivan the Terrible assumed the title of Tsar, and the Grand Duchy of Moscow became the Russian Tsardom. Later, in 1721, Peter the Great renamed it the Russian Empire. Therefore, "Rus" and "Russian" have no connection to present-day Russia. These terms refer to Ukraine and were stolen from it. And what is present-day Russia? It consists of several regions around Moscow that lack significant natural resources. The Russian Federation currently has 89 federal subjects, including 24 republics, 9 territories, 1 autonomous region, and 4 autonomous okrugs. Russia pumps oil and gas from Siberia and the Far East, whose indigenous peoples were previously conquered, annexed by force, and remain part of the Russian Federation only due to threats from the central government based in Moscow. However, Russia's military and economic might has already been shattered by Ukraine. Putin is in a stalemate: Russia cannot seize Ukraine (since its full-scale invasion in February 2022, Russia has captured approximately one percent of Ukraine's territory), and it cannot end the war because doing so would mean Russia's military defeat. But the longer Putin delays ending the war, hoping only for a miracle, the worse the economic situation in Russia itself becomes, and the greater the likelihood of its disintegration into a few regions around Moscow. After all, oppressed indigenous peoples are now closely watching the rapid weakening of the central government due to the war in Ukraine, and they are choosing the moment to secede from it. It's most likely that in the next few years, we will witness the end of one of the last empires—the Russian Federation.
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November 16, 2025, 02:41:43 PM |
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~snip~ Just a few news items from the “stable Russian economy”: - The State Duma has announced the mass impoverishment of Russians - Russians' expectations regarding their standard of living have fallen to their lowest level since the end of 2022 - The Russian Academy of Sciences has confirmed that there has been no economic growth for almost two years - Revenues from oil mineral extraction tax (MET) to the Russian budget in November will fall by 34% compared to November 2024 This is just a sample of the top ten news stories from Russia today...
It is true that sanctions, political influence, and Ukrainian strikes deep inside Russia targeting key Russian oil facilities produce results that bring Russia ever greater problems. But while the average Russian probably lives worse than 3+ years ago, the elites and the middle class do not share their fate because the former have enough money to buy themselves luxury and inner peace, while the latter still live better than the majority and therefore do not protest too much. As long as that majority is in fear and has bread and vodka, Putler will keep them under control and send them to die for his goals. Russia's biggest advantage is that it treats people as expendable goods, and when you already have millions of such expendables in advance, you can be at war for not three but thirty years if necessary. They play a game that aims to exhaust the opponent in every possible way, and the one that is most effective is to kill civilians, especially children since they target schools, kindergartens and children's hospitals. The Serbs did it in their wars of conquest in the 1990s, the Jews did it a few months ago, and the Americans were no better in their spread of democracy in various wars around the world. When you break the human spirit, you have won the war.
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November 17, 2025, 06:41:35 PM |
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~snip~ Just a few news items from the “stable Russian economy”: - The State Duma has announced the mass impoverishment of Russians - Russians' expectations regarding their standard of living have fallen to their lowest level since the end of 2022 - The Russian Academy of Sciences has confirmed that there has been no economic growth for almost two years - Revenues from oil mineral extraction tax (MET) to the Russian budget in November will fall by 34% compared to November 2024 This is just a sample of the top ten news stories from Russia today...
It is true that sanctions, political influence, and Ukrainian strikes deep inside Russia targeting key Russian oil facilities produce results that bring Russia ever greater problems. But while the average Russian probably lives worse than 3+ years ago, the elites and the middle class do not share their fate because the former have enough money to buy themselves luxury and inner peace, while the latter still live better than the majority and therefore do not protest too much. As long as that majority is in fear and has bread and vodka, Putler will keep them under control and send them to die for his goals. Russia's biggest advantage is that it treats people as expendable goods, and when you already have millions of such expendables in advance, you can be at war for not three but thirty years if necessary. They play a game that aims to exhaust the opponent in every possible way, and the one that is most effective is to kill civilians, especially children since they target schools, kindergartens and children's hospitals. The Serbs did it in their wars of conquest in the 1990s, the Jews did it a few months ago, and the Americans were no better in their spread of democracy in various wars around the world. When you break the human spirit, you have won the war. I partly agree with you, but with one clarification. For a significant part of Russia's population, the situation has not changed at all. These are the people referred to as “the people” — people living in small towns, villages, far from the capital and several large cities. This part of the population is genetically impoverished... But for what can be called the middle class and the elites, things are not so good. In the early 2000s, thanks to high oil revenues, the middle class saw how quickly and actively the country was developing, integrating into the Western world, and opening up wonderful opportunities for people—high incomes, affordable loans, a huge selection of goods and services, and even cars and apartments—the eternal dream of all people  And all this was AVAILABLE, there was CHOICE, and there was an opportunity to CONSUME. Now, Russian markets have greatly reduced their product range, the number of high-quality goods has decreased, and they are being replaced by inexpensive Chinese consumer goods at the price of high-quality brands. The population does not like this. Plus, rising prices/inflation lead to an increase in debt, which in turn leads to an even greater reduction in the ability to live as people did just 10 or even 5 years ago. I have relatives living there, and in 2020, my aunt complained to me that “there are few decent medicines, prices are high, what is going on, how can we live?” This is despite the fact that, by Russian standards, she has a decent pension and some benefits for utilities. And she lives in one of the largest cities in Russia. Well, what do they expect when more than 50% of GDP comes from the military-industrial complex, which produces “goods” that simply disappear in a matter of days or weeks? They are officially cutting all social budgets and any expenses just to support the military-industrial complex for the ongoing terrorist war. Incidentally, this policy encourages people to sign up for military service (to work as terrorists) in the hope that they will survive and return with good incomes. This is beneficial for the government, which is afraid to officially launch mobilization, as this could lead to a revolution similar to that of 1917...
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@DrBeer, I have no doubt that you have first-hand information that can give you a much clearer picture than what can be read in the media, but can you give an estimate of how much Russia can endure at the current pace before ordinary people take to the streets and start protesting in large numbers (millions)?
Given that Russia is making very little progress on the battlefield (but it is still making progress), is that enough to continue destroying its economy in hopes of achieving its military goals before destroying it completely? My opinion is that they (Russia) still have enough resources to continue, because as I already wrote, people are expendable goods to them and I have no doubt that Putler doesn't care if one or five million die before he achieves his goal.
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November 20, 2025, 05:33:14 PM |
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Instead of us trying to say that the Russian economy is collapsing it's better we should be more concerned about how the Russians have been able to keep their economy running despite the huge sanctions they have faced since the war on Ukraine started some years ago. Russia has been able to survive without the European Union and even American. This is one big lesson that nations should learn especially developing countries which wants to stand on their own, the west and America will always come up with one story just to destroy the economy of any country that wants to challenge the status quo.
To me any economic measures that Russia is trying to put in place is in their best interest because at this present point in time what is most important is saving their economy which they have been able to do over the years, this is something they have to go through for the sake of the interest of the Russia because, this whole war with Ukraine is a war that if lost or won will decide the future of Russia.
The Russian economy is still afloat, as serious sanctions, despite their number, have not been imposed against Russia. The most numerous sanctions against Russia were imposed by EU countries, and a significant portion of them concerned Russian oil and gas, which constitute the bulk of the income financing the war in Ukraine. However, as Swedish Foreign Minister Maria Stenergaard recently reported in an interview with the newspaper "European Pravda," as of November 2025, the EU had paid Russia $124 billion more for oil, gas, and other imports than it had provided to Ukraine in aid since the full-scale invasion of Russian occupation forces. She emphasized that since February 2022, the EU has allocated €187 billion in aid to Ukraine, while during the same period, European countries purchased €201 billion worth of Russian energy resources. In total, since February 2022, the EU has imported €311 billion worth of Russian energy resources and other goods. The Swedish Foreign Minister called this development "a disgrace." The European Union is divided, so while they're helping Ukraine with one hand, they're simultaneously helping Putin attack Ukraine with the other. But on November 21, US sanctions against Russian oil companies Rosneft and Lukoil are set to take effect, effectively Trump's first and most significant sanction in almost a year of his presidency. Unless, of course, he changes his mind in the final hours. Imagine, Russia's largest oil giants haven't been sanctioned before. While Rosneft operates primarily in Russia's domestic market, they would immediately hit Lukoil hard, as it's the main supplier of oil abroad. In that case, Lukoil would be forced to sell its assets abroad for next to nothing around the world. This would mean Russia's direct displacement from the oil market, and irreversibly. Lukoil has already asked the US Treasury Department to delay the imposition of sanctions so they can sell off their assets. The EU and the US could have relatively quickly forced Russia to end the war in Ukraine and beg for mercy, but not everyone benefits. However, weakening Russia benefits everyone, which is what's happening now. At the same time, Russia's finances are already running low. Putin spent so much on the war in Ukraine that every Russian could have earned two million dollars during that time. But everything has gone to waste. By February or March of next year, catastrophic events are expected to occur in Russia that will bring the active phase of this war to an end. It won't be long now.
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November 20, 2025, 10:38:29 PM |
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The Russian economy is tied to oil. It's essentially a huge "banana republic" dependent solely on oil and gas, and if they can't sell these commodities, the country will have problems. Because other countries profit enormously from technology like South Korea, or tourism like Turkey or the Dominican Republic, or from a banking system like Switzerland, or an open labor market like India and China. But Russia has none of these things.
Good point to describe one of the most important reason of the war against Ukraine. Rusia pretend to protect its neiboring borders from NATO presence, and this was the main reason to annex Crimea. While the war itself has proven that the main reason is to annex more regions. Why? Because Russia need more ressources to reduce relying on gaz and oil mainly. The last agreement between Putin and Trump was about dividing Ukraine resources; Putin will take all the ocuppied regions inside Ukraine, while Trump will take metal resources.
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November 21, 2025, 02:30:11 PM |
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~snip~ However, as Swedish Foreign Minister Maria Stenergaard recently reported in an interview with the newspaper "European Pravda," as of November 2025, the EU had paid Russia $124 billion more for oil, gas, and other imports than it had provided to Ukraine in aid since the full-scale invasion of Russian occupation forces.
She emphasized that since February 2022, the EU has allocated €187 billion in aid to Ukraine, while during the same period, European countries purchased €201 billion worth of Russian energy resources. In total, since February 2022, the EU has imported €311 billion worth of Russian energy resources and other goods. The Swedish Foreign Minister called this development "a disgrace."
In other words, the EU finances Russian aggression more than it helps Ukraine to defend itself against it, which is really shameful for all those useless EU bureaucrats. The Swedish minister is absolutely right, but her words will not help much considering that some countries like Hungary or Slovakia are still dependent on Russian gas and oil, but they are far from the only ones to be blamed for the fact that so much money continues to go to Russia. By February or March of next year, catastrophic events are expected to occur in Russia that will bring the active phase of this war to an end. It won't be long now.
I don't know what you are talking about, because at the moment there are no signs that the Russians are slowing down on the front, on the contrary, they are trying to occupy as much territory as possible, considering that the weather conditions are getting worse. Besides, there are no protests in Russia, nor does their crazy Putler show any intention for peace. However, there is one optimistic thing I read a few days ago, which is that Russian rulers usually die between the ages of 70 and 80, and Putler is right around that age, so I hope the Ukrainians are praying for that purpose, and Satan can't wait to get that bastard in hell.
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