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[Shinpako09]

I wish I had in-depth knowledge of these matches so I could at least place some bets. 
Anybody here wanna share theirs? BTW, is it even allowed to copy someone's bet slip? Copy it like copy-trading on some crypto-exchange platforms, but for betting? Is there a feature like that?

I'd be surprised if these guys would share their bets. Most who share their bets aren't confident in their bets either. I don't think they would be generous enough to share every bet, especially if they are hitting some of it. It's the same with casino games, they only share strategies that don't work. But who knows, maybe they'll take pity on us and share. Lol.

I think, just like on other sites, you can only copy their bets if they share their bet ID. If they don't, then there's no way we can see it.

I wonder if other sites will also have a zero margin feature soon since it's slowly getting noticed by bettors.

[Pikiboy]

I wish I had in-depth knowledge of these matches so I could at least place some bets. 
Anybody here wanna share theirs? BTW, is it even allowed to copy someone's bet slip? Copy it like copy-trading on some crypto-exchange platforms, but for betting? Is there a feature like that?

I'd be surprised if these guys would share their bets. Most who share their bets aren't confident in their bets either. I don't think they would be generous enough to share every bet, especially if they are hitting some of it. It's the same with casino games, they only share strategies that don't work. But who knows, maybe they'll take pity on us and share. Lol.

I think, just like on other sites, you can only copy their bets if they share their bet ID. If they don't, then there's no way we can see it.

I wonder if other sites will also have a zero margin feature soon since it's slowly getting noticed by bettors.

I do not know for some of the gambling site but few local gambling site that I do use allows people to share their bet ID, where the person would have to copy code ans paste on the booking section.
Most of the crypto casino may see it as an illegal gambling where if two or more persons similarly have these game games and same bet they wouldn't even mind linking the both accounts as one person that is controlling them. For instance, someone can those matches and have it bet on other gambling site without the site knowing that it's already existing in another gambling site.

[Emeraldo]

I do not know for some of the gambling site but few local gambling site that I do use allows people to share their bet ID, where the person would have to copy code ans paste on the booking section.
Most of the crypto casino may see it as an illegal gambling where if two or more persons similarly have these game games and same bet they wouldn't even mind linking the both accounts as one person that is controlling them. For instance, someone can those matches and have it bet on other gambling site without the site knowing that it's already existing in another gambling site.

You are right and I have seen Stake doing that without anyone having any issue with the casino. There are other casinos too that I know that allow you to copy bet code of anyone and stake your money on it if you think it can make you win.
Many of the local sportbook I know too does that and it's the easiest way to get new users on your casino if they have influencer that can be dropping bet codes on their social handle for those that are ready to bet whether they are true sport bettors or not.

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[Ayers]

Take a look at how our Zero Margin odds stack up against standard odds for extra returns.

your picks were quite good, and odds comparison were excellent too!
That Zero Margin odds will have a truly significant impact on longterm bankroll. Especially for multi-market approach.

IDK if anyone placed bets on these match. Because of uncertainty of Premier League match, I've been skipping them for a while now. La Liga matches are my main focus these days.

Anyway, if anyone made your betslip by following this, too bad the corners and Mainz's finishing let down the full sweep today. But BTTS and Over in Leeds vs Tottenham match were great hits.

[kyan972]

Trying to work out why this site is any different to the rest that are running threads on the forum. From what i can see the only time your getting 'value' from the gimmick zero margin is when you play big lotto style parlays, and you probably dont need margin if your the house to win from those lotto style plays to win anyway.



Eg: a line bet, for example is 1.90 regularly. On the no vig site its 2.0

If i wanted to wager $100 on with a normal site and the bet wins, the bet returns $190, $90 profit.

With Bet25 and the zero margin. Same bet, I want $100 on at the 2.0, 5% goes to the site in commission, after commission im now having $95 on the bet at 2.0. Bet wins, and i get in return $190. $90 profit. The exact same as the first example.

[rohang]

Trying to work out why this site is any different to the rest that are running threads on the forum. From what i can see the only time your getting 'value' from the gimmick zero margin is when you play big lotto style parlays, and you probably dont need margin if your the house to win from those lotto style plays to win anyway.



Eg: a line bet, for example is 1.90 regularly. On the no vig site its 2.0

If i wanted to wager $100 on with a normal site and the bet wins, the bet returns $190, $90 profit.

With Bet25 and the zero margin. Same bet, I want $100 on at the 2.0, 5% goes to the site in commission, after commission im now having $95 on the bet at 2.0. Bet wins, and i get in return $190. $90 profit. The exact same as the first example.

Like you said, theres huge value on parlay bets. They dont need to be lotto style. Even 2 legged parlays have much difference

From your example only -

normal site 100$ * 1.9 * 1.9 = 361$
On here  95$ *2*2 = 380$

Thats 19$ difference on a 100$ stake. 19% more return

[suzanne5223]

Trying to work out why this site is any different to the rest that are running threads on the forum. From what i can see the only time your getting 'value' from the gimmick zero margin is when you play big lotto style parlays, and you probably dont need margin if your the house to win from those lotto style plays to win anyway.



Eg: a line bet, for example is 1.90 regularly. On the no vig site its 2.0

If i wanted to wager $100 on with a normal site and the bet wins, the bet returns $190, $90 profit.

With Bet25 and the zero margin. Same bet, I want $100 on at the 2.0, 5% goes to the site in commission, after commission im now having $95 on the bet at 2.0. Bet wins, and i get in return $190. $90 profit. The exact same as the first example.

I like your explanation. However, in a practical sense, the calculation on the single bet seems to be a bit off.
Based on my understanding, on a true 1.90 book, bettors usually get closer to 1.91-1.95 on the main lines these days, not a clean 1.90. Many bookmakers juice it harder on smaller markets.
The 5% commission model + true 2.00 odds will still leaves bettor with slightly chance ahead on singles once you factor in the real juice most sites charge.

Where everything becomes better is exactly what you stated on parlays. Where a simple 2leg accumulator already gives an edge, and it combines fast on 3-4 legs, which is where most recreational bettors leave a lot of money on the table when using regular bookmakers.

[Ayers]

From what i can see the only time your getting 'value' from the gimmick zero margin is when you play big lotto style parlays

You yourself have said that there are advantages to lotto style parlay.
But you are dismissing it as gimmick.
I found it quite funny. It much like grapes are sour, lol

Margin accumulate along every edge of standard book. Suppose I create 5 leg accumulator and each leg yields 5% lower return. In that case total of about 23% will be deducted from my amount. However Bet25 will only deduct 5% of fee once, this cannot be gimmick in any way.

you probably dont need margin if your the house to win from those lotto style plays to win anyway.

Are you kidding me, dude?

Most people will lose, that's for sure. But what will happen to the few who win?

Some large payout for them will make up for that "house's winning money". In long run casinos earning from such parlay are not nearly as impressive as you've been claiming.

So, your claim that house would have won anyway is not true.
Winning some large parlay by bettor also could result huge payout for casino. This is how casino operate.

[drangos]

I wish I had in-depth knowledge of these matches so I could at least place some bets. 
Anybody here wanna share theirs? BTW, is it even allowed to copy someone's bet slip? Copy it like copy-trading on some crypto-exchange platforms, but for betting? Is there a feature like that?

I'd be surprised if these guys would share their bets. Most who share their bets aren't confident in their bets either. I don't think they would be generous enough to share every bet, especially if they are hitting some of it. It's the same with casino games, they only share strategies that don't work. But who knows, maybe they'll take pity on us and share. Lol.

I think, just like on other sites, you can only copy their bets if they share their bet ID. If they don't, then there's no way we can see it.

I wonder if other sites will also have a zero margin feature soon since it's slowly getting noticed by bettors.

I do not know for some of the gambling site but few local gambling site that I do use allows people to share their bet ID, where the person would have to copy code ans paste on the booking section.
Most of the crypto casino may see it as an illegal gambling where if two or more persons similarly have these game games and same bet they wouldn't even mind linking the both accounts as one person that is controlling them. For instance, someone can those matches and have it bet on other gambling site without the site knowing that it's already existing in another gambling site.

Betting a bet ID is a copy bet in essence and I don't see anything wrong with that. It does not mean copying their knowledge and risk management. However copying their bet. If two people make the same bet, they should be considered a separate account as long as there is no evidence of an actual account being abused by either party. I believe more sportsbooks will allow public bet slips to be shared with the option to share, which would make betting discussion a little more clear.

[Haunebu]

Like you said, theres huge value on parlay bets. They dont need to be lotto style. Even 2 legged parlays have much difference

Parlays(2 legs or higher) are always bad value when compared to single bets though this zero margin promotion does tend to favor bettors who are into parlays on a regular basis. Most punters don't really focus much on the vig anyway when placing parlays.

Based on my understanding, on a true 1.90 book, bettors usually get closer to 1.91-1.95 on the main lines these days, not a clean 1.90. Many bookmakers juice it harder on smaller markets.
The 5% commission model + true 2.00 odds will still leaves bettor with slightly chance ahead on singles once you factor in the real juice most sites charge.

1.91 - 1.95 are better odds than 1.90 which is why I have no clue what you meant here. Also, 2.0 plus 5% fee is identical to plain 1.90 with vig included(Most sites) which is where you are wrong too.

[Pikiboy]

I wish I had in-depth knowledge of these matches so I could at least place some bets. 
Anybody here wanna share theirs? BTW, is it even allowed to copy someone's bet slip? Copy it like copy-trading on some crypto-exchange platforms, but for betting? Is there a feature like that?

I'd be surprised if these guys would share their bets. Most who share their bets aren't confident in their bets either. I don't think they would be generous enough to share every bet, especially if they are hitting some of it. It's the same with casino games, they only share strategies that don't work. But who knows, maybe they'll take pity on us and share. Lol.

I think, just like on other sites, you can only copy their bets if they share their bet ID. If they don't, then there's no way we can see it.

I wonder if other sites will also have a zero margin feature soon since it's slowly getting noticed by bettors.

I do not know for some of the gambling site but few local gambling site that I do use allows people to share their bet ID, where the person would have to copy code ans paste on the booking section.
Most of the crypto casino may see it as an illegal gambling where if two or more persons similarly have these game games and same bet they wouldn't even mind linking the both accounts as one person that is controlling them. For instance, someone can those matches and have it bet on other gambling site without the site knowing that it's already existing in another gambling site.

Betting a bet ID is a copy bet in essence and I don't see anything wrong with that. It does not mean copying their knowledge and risk management. However copying their bet. If two people make the same bet, they should be considered a separate account as long as there is no evidence of an actual account being abused by either party. I believe more sportsbooks will allow public bet slips to be shared with the option to share, which would make betting discussion a little more clear.

The possibility of two to three person having same bet slip is very poor or very low because we know that such can't happened. Same thing it is for online gambling sites, they would be assuming that two person can't have same bet and to whatever that would warrant that is likely to be the same person. But here I think they are also wrong, because I can share the site to a friend to sign up and also share my booking details to them without them having connected to one person in real life but because they all go on the same bet doesn't mean they are one person that is controlling the site.

[suzanne5223]

Based on my understanding, on a true 1.90 book, bettors usually get closer to 1.91-1.95 on the main lines these days, not a clean 1.90. Many bookmakers juice it harder on smaller markets.
The 5% commission model + true 2.00 odds will still leaves bettor with slightly chance ahead on singles once you factor in the real juice most sites charge.

1.91 - 1.95 are better odds than 1.90 which is why I have no clue what you meant here. Also, 2.0 plus 5% fee is identical to plain 1.90 with vig included(Most sites) which is where you are wrong too.

Yes, 1.91-1.95 odds are better than 1.90, no argument there.
2.00 with the 5% fee/margin turns out to be 2.00 ÷ 1.05 = 1.9048
1.9048; can be considered roughly 1.91 in practice.
I'm not claiming 1.90 is better than 1.91-1.95. I'm just saying that a fair 2.00 odds price, after the typical 5% fee, ends up a few digits higher than the regular 1.90 we see everywhere.

[Haunebu]

2.00 with the 5% fee/margin turns out to be 2.00 ÷ 1.05 = 1.9048
1.9048; can be considered roughly 1.91 in practice.
I'm not claiming 1.90 is better than 1.91-1.95. I'm just saying that a fair 2.00 odds price, after the typical 5% fee, ends up a few digits higher than the regular 1.90 we see everywhere.

Technically, even those 1.90 odds with the vig on other sportsbooks is pretty much the same(1.903, 1.904 etc) which get rounded out to 1.90 everywhere. Those few digits are pretty much dust unless it's 1.9099 or something and that is 1.91 basically.

This is why Bet25's zero margin promotion is useless for single bets and only useful for multileg parlays though they still favor the house in the long run. Zero margin promos on single bets are offered only by few books now and then.

[suzanne5223]

2.00 with the 5% fee/margin turns out to be 2.00 ÷ 1.05 = 1.9048
1.9048; can be considered roughly 1.91 in practice.
I'm not claiming 1.90 is better than 1.91-1.95. I'm just saying that a fair 2.00 odds price, after the typical 5% fee, ends up a few digits higher than the regular 1.90 we see everywhere.

Technically, even those 1.90 odds with the vig on other sportsbooks is pretty much the same(1.903, 1.904 etc) which get rounded out to 1.90 everywhere. Those few digits are pretty much dust unless it's 1.9099 or something and that is 1.91 basically.

This is why Bet25's zero margin promotion is useless for single bets and only useful for multileg parlays though they still favor the house in the long run. Zero margin promos on single bets are offered only by few books now and then.

I won't consider the zero margin to be useless, though the difference between 1.9048 and a displayed 1.90 is tiny on a single bet. But do you notice that some books are not giving a clean 1.90 either?

On Bet25, you get the true 2.00 price and only pay the 5% fee once. On a multi-leg parlay, that difference compounds fast, but for pure singles the edge is small, I agree, and with 2+ legs the zero-margin model is clearly better, which is something I once said that "it combines fast on 3-4 legs, which is where most recreational bettors leave a lot of money on the table when using regular bookmakers."

[Y3shot]

I do not know for some of the gambling site but few local gambling site that I do use allows people to share their bet ID, where the person would have to copy code ans paste on the booking section.
Most of the crypto casino may see it as an illegal gambling where if two or more persons similarly have these game games and same bet they wouldn't even mind linking the both accounts as one person that is controlling them. For instance, someone can those matches and have it bet on other gambling site without the site knowing that it's already existing in another gambling site.

You are right and I have seen Stake doing that without anyone having any issue with the casino. There are other casinos too that I know that allow you to copy bet code of anyone and stake your money on it if you think it can make you win.
Many of the local sportbook I know too does that and it's the easiest way to get new users on your casino if they have influencer that can be dropping bet codes on their social handle for those that are ready to bet whether they are true sport bettors or not.

Bets have become so interesting that you can see a game and decide to use the code too. Sharing game codes is something that is very common for most casinos, and this feature is being used by many gamers because it saves time on predicting games. Normally, there are gamers who share the same opinion on predictions, and if one comes across it, getting the code is an easier way to play the game. Booking games with code is what I do often.

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[hosemary]

I tried to create an account on Bet25 and I got an error saying "Invalid email address", even though my email address was valid.




After reloading the page and re-entering my email address a few times, I finally remembered that I had already created an account on Bet25, and that was why I was getting that error.
It would be much better if you displayed a different error message when someone tries to register an account with an email address that has already been used.

[Haunebu]

On a multi-leg parlay, that difference compounds fast, but for pure singles the edge is small, I agree, and with 2+ legs the zero-margin model is clearly better, which is something I once said that "it combines fast on 3-4 legs, which is where most recreational bettors leave a lot of money on the table when using regular bookmakers."

Agreed. This promotion is especially useful when you are looking to bet small amounts for fun without thinking of making serious money since parlays with or without zero margin are a losing game in the long run. Wish there was no fee at all though.

For example, I just placed a bet(Won it) recently on a site called Pin-up.world where they offered 0 vig on Sabalenka-Andreeva match. That's zero margin on a single bet which is bonkers.