Duel.com -- The first casino with 0% house edge games

[rezakurnia66]

I can't believing with Duel.com gambling platform has my favorite football club to bet, today PSGC Ciamis vs Perserang Serang and most difficult place bet for third division Indonesian football league as usually only first and second division only. Odds look good for my favorite team PSGC Ciamis lead the standings group position and Perserang Serang at bottom place, I am also welcome with the sport betting can place bet for third division Indonesia football.

[mikel_012]

Since they don't need any details upon registration, how in the fuck is the player secured against random claims of abuse/fraud to the player.

Any other casino has atleast some type of KYC 1 for Deposit so they atleast got a name and address, to which they later then can verify it with ID for example. How tf does this work on Duel?

Pro's and Con's I guess

I would not risk anything over 5 digits on this site, especially in sports betting. When you get KYC'D you basically are fucked. They can pull up any excuse (jurisdiction, foul play or whatever else) and have fun proofing that or getting your money.

Why you say you are fucked if you get KYC? I think you just need to send the documents and they accept your withdraw and your account to keep working??

You do not need to send any details before so they can not say you are sending different documents or your information does not match and they need more proof.

[mirakal]

Since they don't need any details upon registration, how in the fuck is the player secured against random claims of abuse/fraud to the player.

Even if they collect some details, there’s still no guarantee you’re fully safe from abuse or fraud as a player.

When you look at it, the basic details casinos require are just email, username, and password. That’s already enough to access the account, and if you want more security, there’s even 2FA. So giving more details doesn’t automatically mean better protection.

Any other casino has atleast some type of KYC 1 for Deposit so they atleast got a name and address, to which they later then can verify it with ID for example. How tf does this work on Duel?

Pro's and Con's I guess

I would not risk anything over 5 digits on this site, especially in sports betting. When you get KYC'D you basically are fucked. They can pull up any excuse (jurisdiction, foul play or whatever else) and have fun proofing that or getting your money.

Just read the TOS and understand it properly. Once you see that you’re not violating anything while using the casino, then there’s really nothing to worry about.

Based on what’s written on their website, they’re licensed, and that alone should give some confidence. KYC is already mentioned in the TOS anyway, it’s just that the way it’s implemented might be different from the casinos you’re used to playing on.

https://duel.com/policies/tos

We reserve the right to request KYC (identity verification) before processing a withdrawal. If you refuse or fail to provide required documents, we are not liable for any resulting loss of access to your funds.

[Free Market Capitalist]

Any other casino has atleast some type of KYC 1 for Deposit so they atleast got a name and address, to which they later then can verify it with ID for example. How tf does this work on Duel?

False. MetaWin, for example, does not require KYC to deposit, and it is not the only one, although the trend in recent years has been for more and more casinos to implement it.

Based on what’s written on their website, they’re licensed, and that alone should give some confidence. KYC is already mentioned in the TOS anyway, it’s just that the way it’s implemented might be different from the casinos you’re used to playing on.

In my experience, if you play for low stakes, they won't require KYC. But he's talking about five figures, and with those amounts, it's more normal for them to ask for it.

[ultrloa]

Any other casino has atleast some type of KYC 1 for Deposit so they atleast got a name and address, to which they later then can verify it with ID for example. How tf does this work on Duel?

False. MetaWin, for example, does not require KYC to deposit, and it is not the only one, although the trend in recent years has been for more and more casinos to implement it.

They maybe not asked KYC upfront but actually they are not totally a non KYC compliant casino.

10.0.4. We reserve the right to request and require you to provide KYC (Know Your Customer) documentation at our sole discretion. This may include, but is not limited to, proof of identity, proof of address, and proof of funds. Failure to provide such documentation upon request may result in the suspension or termination of your account.

More details to read in their TOS https://metawin.com/terms-and-conditions/ on section 10. Financial term of use, then locate number 10.0.4 people could read the conditions on how KYC will be triggered in that casino. It seems many casino would follow this and I will not get surprised if KYC will became mandatory on all casino because government always win since they always get what they want.

[Yaunfitda]

Any other casino has atleast some type of KYC 1 for Deposit so they atleast got a name and address, to which they later then can verify it with ID for example. How tf does this work on Duel?

False. MetaWin, for example, does not require KYC to deposit, and it is not the only one, although the trend in recent years has been for more and more casinos to implement it.

They maybe not asked KYC upfront but actually they are not totally a non KYC compliant casino.

10.0.4. We reserve the right to request and require you to provide KYC (Know Your Customer) documentation at our sole discretion. This may include, but is not limited to, proof of identity, proof of address, and proof of funds. Failure to provide such documentation upon request may result in the suspension or termination of your account.

More details to read in their TOS https://metawin.com/terms-and-conditions/ on section 10. Financial term of use, then locate number 10.0.4 people could read the conditions on how KYC will be triggered in that casino. It seems many casino would follow this and I will not get surprised if KYC will became mandatory on all casino because government always win since they always get what they want.

Yeah, I think it's already the norm that almost all casinos are going to ask for KYC at some point. I remember Stake, they suddenly ask for KYC when before they don't ask for it and it's on their ToS. So every gambler should be ready to be ask for KYC like if they think that there are fraudulent activities happening in your account. They have their own tools to check every and flag our account. So it's up to us to defend and one way to proved everything is by sending data to them. If we are not satisfied by it, then don't. But if you have like big winnings and you wanted to withdraw it then you don't have any other choice but to comply.

[virasog]

Yeah, I think it's already the norm that almost all casinos are going to ask for KYC at some point. I remember Stake, they suddenly ask for KYC when before they don't ask for it and it's on their ToS. So every gambler should be ready to be ask for KYC like if they think that there are fraudulent activities happening in your account. They have their own tools to check every and flag our account. So it's up to us to defend and one way to proved everything is by sending data to them. If we are not satisfied by it, then don't. But if you have like big winnings and you wanted to withdraw it then you don't have any other choice but to comply.

One thing that surprises me with a lot of new casino is that why don't they just say that KYC is mandatory ? Most of these site will say that the KYC is only on demand and that is just a general statement and we never know for how many gamblers they are demanding the KYC documents 

Maybe the fear is that if they say they are KYC complaint, the gamblers may not come to their site ? That is a wrong perception because the are many old trusted casino that ask for KYC upfront and there is no shortage of users on their site.

[examplens]

One thing that surprises me with a lot of new casino is that why don't they just say that KYC is mandatory ? Most of these site will say that the KYC is only on demand and that is just a general statement and we never know for how many gamblers they are demanding the KYC documents 

Maybe the fear is that if they say they are KYC complaint, the gamblers may not come to their site ? That is a wrong perception because the are many old trusted casino that ask for KYC upfront and there is no shortage of users on their site.

Well, it makes a big difference if the casino has mandatory KYC or it can only be done under certain specific conditions. For example, in my case, given that I mainly use the casino regularly, without double accounts, without bonus abuse or excessive use of VPN, I have never had an additional request for KYC from the casino. I'm pretty sure all regular users rarely trigger the KYC requirement.
Whereas, for example, it is a completely different matter if the casino has mandatory KYC to be eligible for withdrawal.

[Free Market Capitalist]

Any other casino has atleast some type of KYC 1 for Deposit so they atleast got a name and address, to which they later then can verify it with ID for example. How tf does this work on Duel?

False. MetaWin, for example, does not require KYC to deposit, and it is not the only one, although the trend in recent years has been for more and more casinos to implement it.

They maybe not asked KYC upfront but actually they are not totally a non KYC compliant casino.

And why are you trying to refute something I didn't say? Read it again. Did I say that MetaWin is a totally non-KYC compliant casino?

What I said is that MetaWin doesn't ask you for KYC to deposit.

That's a great straw man fallacy on you behalf.

[Unsoldier]

Yeah, I think it's already the norm that almost all casinos are going to ask for KYC at some point. I remember Stake, they suddenly ask for KYC when before they don't ask for it and it's on their ToS. So every gambler should be ready to be ask for KYC like if they think that there are fraudulent activities happening in your account. They have their own tools to check every and flag our account. So it's up to us to defend and one way to proved everything is by sending data to them. If we are not satisfied by it, then don't. But if you have like big winnings and you wanted to withdraw it then you don't have any other choice but to comply.

One thing that surprises me with a lot of new casino is that why don't they just say that KYC is mandatory ? Most of these site will say that the KYC is only on demand and that is just a general statement and we never know for how many gamblers they are demanding the KYC documents 

Maybe the fear is that if they say they are KYC complaint, the gamblers may not come to their site ? That is a wrong perception because the are many old trusted casino that ask for KYC upfront and there is no shortage of users on their site.

In practice, almost every licensed casino will request KYC sooner or later, especially on withdrawals or if something looks suspicious. Calling it "KYC on demand" is just softer marketing. Being upfront about mandatory KYC would be more honest, and as we see with big trusted casinos, it doesn’t really scare users away.

[tbct_mt2]

Well, it makes a big difference if the casino has mandatory KYC or it can only be done under certain specific conditions. For example, in my case, given that I mainly use the casino regularly, without double accounts, without bonus abuse or excessive use of VPN, I have never had an additional request for KYC from the casino. I'm pretty sure all regular users rarely trigger the KYC requirement.
Whereas, for example, it is a completely different matter if the casino has mandatory KYC to be eligible for withdrawal.

Companies can use KYC as a reason to scam their users if they are bad and scam companies but I don't mean Duel is like this.

With companies that are not scam, they really need users to stay with them, so they will not use KYC as reason to kick their users away. They have tools to detect suspicious things at their casinos for example, and there are probabilities of accurate and incorrect triggers. That means KYC can be triggered accurately against cheaters or sometimes can be triggered incorrectly.

Fortunately, chance of incorrect KYC trigger is very small so if you are not a cheater, you barely face with KYC against your account if it is not mandatory at a website.

[Free Market Capitalist]

I was thinking that since Duel.com is trying to get some exposure on the forum, it might be a good idea to edit the OP and make one with pictures, explaining the main features of the casino and stuff, like there are in the other ANNs.

[Rikafip]

One thing that surprises me with a lot of new casino is that why don't they just say that KYC is mandatory ?

Why would they say its mandatory if it isn't?

Most of these site will say that the KYC is only on demand and that is just a general statement and we never know for how many gamblers they are demanding the KYC documents  

I've been playing on a couple of gambling/betting websites that are being advertised here and that don't have mandatory KYC, I made withdrawals and so far none of them asked me for KYC so I guess if you don't do any of the dodgy stuff, you won't be slammed with KYC immediately.

Maybe the fear is that if they say they are KYC complaint, the gamblers may not come to their site ? That is a wrong perception because the are many old trusted casino that ask for KYC upfront and there is no shortage of users on their site.

Just like there are centralized ecxhanges where KYC is not mandatory (albeit fewer and fewer), there are casinos that operate on the same principle. We should enjoy while those are still existing, considering how things are developing.

[mirakal]

Based on what’s written on their website, they’re licensed, and that alone should give some confidence. KYC is already mentioned in the TOS anyway, it’s just that the way it’s implemented might be different from the casinos you’re used to playing on.

In my experience, if you play for low stakes, they won't require KYC. But he's talking about five figures, and with those amounts, it's more normal for them to ask for it.

I don’t think it’s the stake size that triggers anything, it’s the win itself. You can play small stakes and keep losing and they won’t care. But once you win big, that’s when the checks usually start. That’s why most of the complaints we see here only show up after a big win.

[khaled0111]

Even if they collect some details, there’s still no guarantee you’re fully safe from abuse or fraud as a player.

I didn’t get his point too as I can’t see how level-1 verification or full identity verification upon registration or before allowing you to make your first deposit can protect you from getting scammed!
If they want to scam you then they will do it regardless of whether you have verified your account or not.
In any case, most crypto gamblers (who value their privacy) consider not asking for identity verification an advantage and not a drawback.

[Potato Chips]

Just wanted to test out the casino, and wasn't expecting to flip my beer money lol.

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So far experience is smooth. I like how there is no minimum depo and I didn't pay any withdrawal fee—I used ETH. Haven't explored everything though.

Keno has been good to me recently, meanwhile my plinko luck is downhill LOL.

[mikel_012]

Just wanted to test out the casino, and wasn't expecting to flip my beer money lol.

Depo:


Withdrawal:


So far experience is smooth. I like how there is no minimum depo and I didn't pay any withdrawal fee—I used ETH. Haven't explored everything though.

Keno has been good to me recently, meanwhile my plinko luck is downhill LOL.

The casino has no withdrawal fee for any coin is that right? Maybe I will try later, it's my first time that I hear about Duel but I know csgoempire and Monarch. I didn't know he was launching a casino and sportsbook but I will check the odds

[Free Market Capitalist]

So, I've registered at duel.com and one thing that surprised me is that you can create an account without even providing an email address, just a username and password. Not providing an email address could be a problem if you forget any of your login details or lose the place where you wrote them down, but it's certainly very privacy-friendly. I don't think I've registered at a casino like this in years.

On the other hand, I was able to access and register using Tor, and I haven't seen any restrictions in the ToS regarding the use of this browser or VPN, which is another positive point.

Although there is a clause regarding KYC in the ToS.

We reserve the right to request KYC (identity verification) before processing a withdrawal. If you refuse or fail to provide required documents, we are not liable for any resulting loss of access to your funds.

It's the typical clause you see at other casinos, but it seems like they won't ask for much KYC, especially if you bet small amounts and don't have any suspicious activity. I've bet at several casinos that had the same clause and they never asked me for it.

So far, everything looks very promising.

[NotATether]

Nice!

This is definitely not a new casino - I have heard of the name before.

Quick question - do you have an ANN banner? A respectable casino like yours deserves one.

If yes, you can embed it as soon as you become Jr. Member.
If not, you can contact me, and we can sort that out quickly.

[mikel_012]

Nice!

This is definitely not a new casino - I have heard of the name before.

Quick question - do you have an ANN banner? A respectable casino like yours deserves one.

If yes, you can embed it as soon as you become Jr. Member.
If not, you can contact me, and we can sort that out quickly.

You should remember they can also buy Copper Member rank which is just $30 to post images, something super cheap even for normal members and just a tiny drop for a casino.

It can be purchased here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote