Duel.com -- The first casino with 0% house edge games

[tbct_mt2]

I'm not surprised by that. There are quite a few casinos that turn a blind eye despite what they say in their Terms of Service. In the case of Duel, it's clear that they are even more committed to privacy, so, being aware that there is a certain risk, you should be able to bet normally. Did you use a VPN or Tor?

Duel did the right things by keeping up their promises and serving their customers frankly for privacy but with users, I really don't think betting with Tor is possible.

VPN is possible as it does provide better connection than Tor and connection speed is important for gamblers when they bet with money and need smooth experience, no lag or as least lag as possible. With Tor, connection is slow and it's impossible to have good gambling experience. I have never thought of betting through Tor connection but for other things like logging in my account and posting on the forum, I use Tor honestly.

Do you actually have any experience with Tor for gambling?

[noviesol]

I'm from a restricted country and have been playing on Duel with bigger amounts; couple of thousands to 5-figures. I know it always be a risk but up untill now I haven't faced any issues with withdrawls. All the other casinos I have played on had similair ToS and policies and I feel more on safe on Duel because of the narrative they are taking.

I'm not surprised by that. There are quite a few casinos that turn a blind eye despite what they say in their Terms of Service. In the case of Duel, it's clear that they are even more committed to privacy, so, being aware that there is a certain risk, you should be able to bet normally. Did you use a VPN or Tor?

I just use VPN. Normally, I use Germany or Belgium but Pragmatic Play has been restricted so I use Poland now.

[Potato Chips]

Just came to know Duel.com's founder did a lot of high stakes poker. Damn, crazy stuff, but rich people gambling, am I right? lol

This can be an entertaining watch for the poker players. You can just look up his name, and you'd find a lot of video—Ossi Ketola.



BTW, I noticed that the youtube channel has that Duel branding, but it seems like a third party account to me, so I'm not convinced it's an official youtube account. I don't see it on the website either. But let us know if anyone has any other information.

[Free Market Capitalist]

Just came to know Duel.com's founder did a lot of high stakes poker. Damn, crazy stuff, but rich people gambling, am I right? lol

This can be an entertaining watch for the poker players. You can just look up his name, and you'd find a lot of video—Ossi Ketola.

Interesting. I looked up some information about him, and apparently there is no data on poker games prior to 2024. I also see that he bets what we would consider crazy amounts. He bets millions of dollars like we bet a few hundred.

Asking Copilot, it seems that based on publicly available results, he would be at a loss, but he must have a very high net worth to handle such amounts.

[UserU]

Just came to know Duel.com's founder did a lot of high stakes poker. Damn, crazy stuff, but rich people gambling, am I right? lol

This can be an entertaining watch for the poker players. You can just look up his name, and you'd find a lot of video—Ossi Ketola.

Interesting. I looked up some information about him, and apparently there is no data on poker games prior to 2024. I also see that he bets what we would consider crazy amounts. He bets millions of dollars like we bet a few hundred.

Asking Copilot, it seems that based on publicly available results, he would be at a loss, but he must have a very high net worth to handle such amounts.

I've followed him over the years and it's not just the poker tournaments that he's wild on.

He streams, parties and even has his own castle.

[edondoko]

https://x.com/DrWgamba/status/2008988127806046237

https://x.com/DrWgamba/status/2008988243627213175

https://x.com/DrWgamba/status/2009846004648993149

FYI, all three links are down because the account associated to them has been suspended.

The account in question may be suspendef but that is no problem, I will post the full posts as I video recorded everything assuming he will get suspended for obvious reasons (ossi can‘t handle -rep).

I will also contact their payment processor and every associated company invested or partnered with them to let them know they are allowing all of this to happen.

Since Duel.com stands for transparency and actively markets their casino as the first who gives a fuck I‘m pretty sure every member on here will want to read this story in its full and understand the consequences gambling there.

[Mandoy]

I'm not surprised by that. There are quite a few casinos that turn a blind eye despite what they say in their Terms of Service. In the case of Duel, it's clear that they are even more committed to privacy, so, being aware that there is a certain risk, you should be able to bet normally. Did you use a VPN or Tor?

Duel did the right things by keeping up their promises and serving their customers frankly for privacy but with users, I really don't think betting with Tor is possible.

VPN is possible as it does provide better connection than Tor and connection speed is important for gamblers when they bet with money and need smooth experience, no lag or as least lag as possible. With Tor, connection is slow and it's impossible to have good gambling experience. I have never thought of betting through Tor connection but for other things like logging in my account and posting on the forum, I use Tor honestly.

Do you actually have any experience with Tor for gambling?

I do concur with your arguments regarding VPN and Tor. VPN is definitely the best to use when it comes to gambling as the speed of connection is paramount and in cases where real money is at stake or bets are to be made in a few seconds. Tor can offer privacy, and the latency makes it nearly impossible to use in live betting. The commitment of Duel to privacy and 0% house edge games is remarkable, and it is nice to know that they are capable of keeping their word. I have not used Tor to gamble either, and a little bit to log in and use forums.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Do you actually have any experience with Tor for gambling?

Not actual experience. At some point in the past, I tried to register at casinos using Tor, but either access with Tor is blocked or it works so poorly that you can't do anything. With Duel, you can access it using Tor and even place bets, but it doesn't work 100% well; some games don't load. Better VPN, as you say. But the fact that you can somehow use Tor on Duel, I think, is another example of his commitment to privacy.

[DeeppRockk]

Not actual experience. At some point in the past, I tried to register at casinos using Tor, but either access with Tor is blocked or it works so poorly that you can't do anything. With Duel, you can access it using Tor and even place bets, but it doesn't work 100% well; some games don't load. Better VPN, as you say. But the fact that you can somehow use Tor on Duel, I think, is another example of his commitment to privacy.

You're putting a lot of faith in their goodwill by calling it a 'commitment to privacy'. I see it as a liability they can weaponize against you..

I guarantee you'll find a clause about 'providing accurate information' or 'not attempting to circumvent our systems'.
They don't have to explicitly ban Tor or VPNs because those catch-all phrases are their escape hatch. Let's say you hit something big, a five-figure win.

They'll trigger a security review, see your connection logs are from a Tor exit node, and they have the perfect excuse.

They'll cite their own ToS, claim you were masking your location or engaging in 'suspicious activity', and just void your winnings... it goes both ways

[Free Market Capitalist]

You're putting a lot of faith in their goodwill by calling it a 'commitment to privacy'. I see it as a liability they can weaponize against you..

I guarantee you'll find a clause about 'providing accurate information' or 'not attempting to circumvent our systems'.

Of course, in these threads there's always some smart aleck trying to lecture everyone when they haven't even read the ToS.

Duel.com has the shortest, clearest, and most privacy-friendly Terms of Service I have ever read from a casino. The only clause that could remotely resemble what you are referring to is point 14, which is logical and basically says that they cooperate with the authorities, because, of course, they are not going to shoot themselves in the foot. All casinos have something similar in their ToS.

If you're worried that if you cheat they'll suspend your account, yes, they will. It's no different from what other casinos do, but I'd bet your butt already hurts and that's why you're coming here to spread FUD.

[dzungmobile]

Of course, in these threads there's always some smart aleck trying to lecture everyone when they haven't even read the ToS.

If users don't spend time for ToS and FAQ if there is a page of FAQs, it's their responsibility for anything happens later with their account and fund. Nobody forces them to read all words in ToS, but firstly they can read FAQs that is much shorter, and scan ToS for most important terms.

If they ignore both FAQs and ToS, it's their big fault and anything happens later will be hardly sympathetic by the business company at all. Terms are written clearly in ToS, and if user broken ToS, how do a casino can know that it is carelessly or intentionally did by the user?

They simply apply their Terms and corresponding punishments against that user.

You're putting a lot of faith in their goodwill by calling it a 'commitment to privacy'. I see it as a liability they can weaponize against you..

Before anything wrong with the company, it's not right to call them as a scammer or unreliable company with their ToS, no matter the length of their ToS is long or short.

[Synchronice]

0% house edge is a very ambitious title to claim. I just checked Duel's original games and all of them are with 100% RTP except the game called Beef. Why is that? I'm really curious. Do you guys have a beef with that game's RTP? I don't see RTP badge on Slots and Live Casino, so I assume that Slots have their traditional RTP and live casinos share the same RTP everywhere.
By the way, is it possible to partner with a live casino supplier and have a dedicated table where you'll offer Roulette or Blackjack with 0% house edge? That would be really very cool.

[joeperry]

0% house edge is a very ambitious title to claim. I just checked Duel's original games and all of them are with 100% RTP except the game called Beef. Why is that? I'm really curious. Do you guys have a beef with that game's RTP? I don't see RTP badge on Slots and Live Casino, so I assume that Slots have their traditional RTP and live casinos share the same RTP everywhere.
By the way, is it possible to partner with a live casino supplier and have a dedicated table where you'll offer Roulette or Blackjack with 0% house edge? That would be really very cool.

I think the 0% house edge is only applicable to their original games and yes the table games, live casinos and slots have their default RTP percentage. The Beef has 99.2% RTP, it's their new game and I'm not really sure what's the reason why it's not 100% compared to their other games. Regarding the roulette it's not their original game and I don't think the provider would let them have 100% RTP since those providers were getting paid monthly (correct me if I'm wrong) and if the Duel team wants to have it 100% RTP, what they can do is offer cashback or bonuses.

[mikel_012]

0% house edge is a very ambitious title to claim. I just checked Duel's original games and all of them are with 100% RTP except the game called Beef. Why is that? I'm really curious. Do you guys have a beef with that game's RTP? I don't see RTP badge on Slots and Live Casino, so I assume that Slots have their traditional RTP and live casinos share the same RTP everywhere.
By the way, is it possible to partner with a live casino supplier and have a dedicated table where you'll offer Roulette or Blackjack with 0% house edge? That would be really very cool.

I see the odds in the sports tab is also better than other casinos I play so I think they have zero edge there also or at least a very small edge. Maybe some games will be different but the games I checked it was like 0.10 or 0.20 better odds compared.

I find this page interesting to read https://duel.com/about/zero-edge

[Potato Chips]

By the way, is it possible to partner with a live casino supplier and have a dedicated table where you'll offer Roulette or Blackjack with 0% house edge? That would be really very cool.

Maybe you will like their Castle Roulette? it's also a live game with zero percent house edge, only it's from Duel.

Honestly, I find this particular game hilarious purely for how it is setup LMAO. Because we're usually used to formal setups like people all dressed up, and this is just like hanging out with the homies. I would say this one is a nice comical approach lol.



I did see this before on my X.com feed, and initially thought it was just part of the skit. LOL.

[SeriouslyGiveaway]

Maybe you will like their Castle Roulette? it's also a live game with zero percent house edge, only it's from Duel.

Honestly, I find this particular game hilarious purely for how it is setup LMAO. Because we're usually used to formal setups like people all dressed up, and this is just like hanging out with the homies. I would say this one is a nice comical approach lol.



I did see this before on my X.com feed, and initially thought it was just part of the skit. LOL.

It looks to be a very creative game from Duel.com, and this visual design of the game can help its finding more users who are ready to play this game at Duel.com

However I really wonder that how users can verify and know that a game is truly zero percent house edge or not. As we can not trust the information given by any casino company. Similarly to provably fairness of a game, that needs to be verify with Provably Fair Verifier tools, so I have the same concern with a game's house edge.

Do you know how to verify this information, and if you know it, could you share that method please.

[Potato Chips]

However I really wonder that how users can verify and know that a game is truly zero percent house edge or not. As we can not trust the information given by any casino company. Similarly to provably fairness of a game, that needs to be verify with Provably Fair Verifier tools, so I have the same concern with a game's house edge.

Do you know how to verify this information, and if you know it, could you share that method please.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure. Perhaps someone else knows how? aside from getting reviewed by a reputed 3rd party i guess.

As far as convenient tools available publicly similar to provably fair verifier, I've never seen such thing/s from a casino either, especially those that offer little to no house edge. I've always thought, you do have to trust them up to a certain extent.

[Free Market Capitalist]

However I really wonder that how users can verify and know that a game is truly zero percent house edge or not. As we can not trust the information given by any casino company. Similarly to provably fairness of a game, that needs to be verify with Provably Fair Verifier tools, so I have the same concern with a game's house edge.

Do you know how to verify this information, and if you know it, could you share that method please.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure. Perhaps someone else knows how? aside from getting reviewed by a reputed 3rd party i guess.

As far as convenient tools available publicly similar to provably fair verifier, I've never seen such thing/s from a casino either, especially those that offer little to no house edge. I've always thought, you do have to trust them up to a certain extent.

At https://duel.com/fairness they state games are provably fair. People should be able to reproduce the outcome using the seeds and that the random number generator is unmodified. I haven't checked but I really doubt that if the games weren't really provably fair this would not have already been discovered and exposed to the community. If the games are fair you can safely assume the same as for the 0% edge.

Several casinos offer them as a way to increase traffic. More customers means more revenue of which a percentage will ultimately lose money on games that have a HE. A casino that works, that has traffic, doesn't need to falsely claim to be 0% HE or provably fair because even using both of those things, they are money-making machines.

[SeriouslyGiveaway]

At https://duel.com/fairness they state games are provably fair. People should be able to reproduce the outcome using the seeds and that the random number generator is unmodified. I haven't checked but I really doubt that if the games weren't really provably fair this would not have already been discovered and exposed to the community. If the games are fair you can safely assume the same as for the 0% edge.

I knew about the Provably Fairness and ways to verify it but if a game is truly provably fair, it does not mean you are playing a game with 0% house edge. As if it is fact like that, other casinos and other games would advertise themselves as 0% house edge already.

I saw many casinos with games and marks as Provably Fair especially big casinos with Provably Fairness Verifiers from third party sites and community as well.

I don't master the term 0% house edge but your explanation on it sounds not accurate.

[Free Market Capitalist]

I knew about the Provably Fairness and ways to verify it but if a game is truly provably fair, it does not mean you are playing a game with 0% house edge.

With your shitty reading comprehension skills, I'm not surprised you say things like that.

As if it is fact like that, other casinos and other games would advertise themselves as 0% house edge already.

I saw many casinos with games and marks as Provably Fair especially big casinos with Provably Fairness Verifiers from third party sites and community as well.

I don't master the term 0% house edge but your explanation on it sounds not accurate.

It is pretty clear it's not the only thing you don't master.