Cryptocurrency seed phrase backups

[suzanne5223]

• Engraving your Seed Phrase on a Steel Plate

Another way of storing your seed phrase is through engraving it on steell plate that can prevent damage against fire or rust. You can use a crypto steel to backup your seed phrase and this has been one of the most reliable way to keep your seed phrase intact without fear of against fire or flood.
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Not all steel plates qualify to resist sulfuric salt and other natural disasters.
If anyone must use a steel plate,I will suggest the choosing of a grade 316L austenitic steel, which has a higher resistance to intergranular corrosion, a lower carbon content, and a greater resistance to sulfuric salt, including a natural disasters.

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Writing down on paper has always been a preferred choice of backup for many investors, the effort needed for memorizing each phrases can be used to think some place safe to store the piece of paper.

Memorizing alone is never a good practice, the human brain can become old eventually, which any misplaced words is a threat to accessing your wallet from the backup.

Wallet backups should be simple but safe and better off using two or more backups plan than relying only on one.

Aside from the human brain getting old.
Humans are deemed to forget certain things or have a few memory losses due to stress, lack of sleep, depression, anxiety, and thyroid problems (with other medical problems).
The traditional method and the use of iron steel are still the best.

[coinlary]

You can store your seed phrase on your mobile device temporarily for when you will have the time to transfer it to wherever you want to put it. Storing your phrase on mobile shoud not be left there due to many factors that can lead to the extraction of your seed phrase through human capability or hack like spyware.

Don't  do this , it's not appropriate at all either temporarily  or not.
What if you already  got a malware spyware or whatever  on your PC  waiting patiently  to save anything like that on your PC, the fact that it's  installed on an infected device makes the wallet vulnerable  depending  on type of malware your pc might be infected with , now imagine you saving the seedphrase   on such device , you just made the work easier than try to access, manipulate address  or spy on your wallet.
There's  a reason why people choose cold storage despite not having to stored their seed on a device that actively connects  to an Internet,  imagine you doing the entire opposite and still storing the seed on your phone,

[Amphenomenon]

Lol, what a bad luck! Before I can store my seed phrase temporarily on a device, it might be to login my wallet on another device after I already have my backup in my dairy/Crypto plate. If the phone get stolen unfortunately, I will quickly login my seed phrase on another phone and transfer my fund as fast as possible. Timing is what will determine if the pick pocket will able to access my wallet before I move my fund or I move the fund before he access my wallet.

What if the device is hacked and the seed phrase is seen and used to compromise your wallet? Having seed phrase on an online device is a very bad idea that should not be gone for. Generate the wallet and write the seed phrase offline like on paper, stainless steel or titanium or written in laminated paper instead.

A type of malware (logic bomb) can also be on the device just waiting for that very moment when they can find a wallet seed phrase for the attacker to conclude their malicious attack.

This is never an option especially for an high amount money inside, even if it is just a short period of time, prevention is better than cure.

[casey15]

Fir me I still think the best way to backup your seed phrase is to write it down on paper and put it somewhere safe offline... Any seed phrase that is been stored digitally either as a screen shot or as a file or even backed up to the cloud is at risk of compromise. Even if they are not stored as plaintext, they are still very much not safe. Writing it offline gives you total control of it, when you save it digitally online, you are literally handing it over to the cloud operator anything can happen.. you will no longer be the only one with access to your wallet.

[MusaPk]

Fir me I still think the best way to backup your seed phrase is to write it down on paper and put it somewhere safe offline... Any seed phrase that is been stored digitally either as a screen shot or as a file or even backed up to the cloud is at risk of compromise. Even if they are not stored as plaintext, they are still very much not safe. Writing it offline gives you total control of it, when you save it digitally online, you are literally handing it over to the cloud operator anything can happen.. you will no longer be the only one with access to your wallet.

It's discussed so many time that best way to store seed is to write it down on paper and store in safe location, this is simplest and safest way to store your seed. There is big no to storing your seed digitally because by doing so you are giving hackers a chance to steal your crypto. To add an extra security layer, we can create two copies of our seed and store it at two different locations like one at home and second in your bank locker. The owner of Bitcoins can figure out himself how many copies are sufficient because he is the one who has to take care of all copies of seed. 

[dkbit98]

I would never suggest anyone to depend on memorizing seed phrase, this is recipe for disaster.
Having regular backup on paper is fine, but I prefer using stainless seed washers or solid titanium plates.
It's best to check Jameson Lopp testing reviews for many metal backups to see what are most durable.
Another interesting option for backup is encrypting it with Satochip Seedkeeper cards.

[MusaMohamed]

I would never suggest anyone to depend on memorizing seed phrase, this is recipe for disaster.
Having regular backup on paper is fine, but I prefer using stainless seed washers or solid titanium plates.
It's best to check Jameson Lopp testing reviews for many metal backups to see what are most durable.
Another interesting option for backup is encrypting it with Satochip Seedkeeper cards.

The brain, memorizing process and memory can be used but only as a supportive or a last ace under the sleeves for our wallet backups and recoveries. We can die any time, we can have an accident physically or mentally so that we can lose our memory and unable to use memory for wallet recovery information.

From a worst scenario like pass-away to memory loss, if we value our bitcoin asset, we must make our Bitcoin wallet backups in non-memory-based methods which can help us or our loved people to recover our Bitcoin wallets anytime in the future.

This is a most helpful guide for wallet backups.
How to back up a wallet seed phrase?

[yixichloro2xx]

Writing your seed phrase on a paper is not a bad idea, but you should know that paper can easily be destroyed. Let’s assume maybe water finds a way to get to where you hide the paper, then it’s going to be destroyed and you will be losing your seed phrase that’s why am not totally in support of writing your seed phrase on paper.

Memorizing your seed phrase is completely a bad idea, am never in support of that. When you memorize your seed phrase, at first things will be going well, but with time you might end up mixing things up which you won’t be able to properly arrange your seed phrase. Just imagine something happen to your brain, or maybe you have a loss of memory, how will you be able to remember your seed phrase when things get better?

Your seed phrase shouldn’t be stored in a place that there is interest connection, either you planning to store it temporarily or permanently. Your seed phrase should be stored offline, so don’t even make the mistake of storing your seed phrase online.

I always encourage people to carve their seed phrase on steel plate, incase there is fire accident or water accident, your steel plate will still be intact that’s why I always encourage steel plate because it’s cant be easily destroyed.

You have a point. I myself still store my  phrase on a paper, what a person just need to do is protect it well and also make backup copies. I am not a friend of anything relating online storage , it doesn't look really safe , offline storage is the only way that makes sense. like you said on the Steel plate, it  can still be used for storage to because the are strong and durable. Which gives it advantage over paper.

[satscraper]

Write it down on Paper

Nope. In fact, there are many reasons to say no. First and foremost,  paper containing SEED phrase cannot be openly stored, not to mention that this medium can be easily damaged in many ways.

Memorize your Seed Phrase

This approach is acceptable as supplementary methods to the primary storage technique, but it should be avoided when used alone.

Engraving your Seed Phrase on a Steel Plate

Better than paper, but it still inherits the main drawback, namely, it cannot be openly stored.

The Shamir Backup

I wouldn’t recommend using SSS, as this scheme is not standardized by formal bodies. Therefore, you need to keep the original code or application to ensure SEED can be decrypted.


So, what would be the primary storage technique? Read this and evaluate your own ability to employ it.

[Baki202]

I don't really support the idea of memorizing because what if you eventually forget it is to much of a risk to take and even if you want to take such step it is better to have different backup and I was impressed with how other backup options are available and engraving it on a steel not a bad idea because it can withstand what ever pressure. Even any form of disaster. Just that were ever you are keeping it, you would have comsider your environment incase of theft, but the idea is actually very innovative. And the last option which is shamir backup which have to do with you divide it, I won't even encourage anyone to want to divide them. And since they have warned everyone not to save it online because people will even go ahead to save it in there email from what we have read of how a lot of them Got hacked. And there is different suggestions out there that will help on how to backup seed phrase but people don't want to research anymore.

[Mpamaegbu]

How to Memorize your Seed Phrase

Code:

 Don't, Rely, Saving, Your, Sed, Phraze, Papa, Again, Orr, Gett Fuckedd

Let's turn it to a song...

Don't rely saving your sed phraze papa 🎵
Again again again ah ah 🎵
Orr gett fucked, orr Gett Fuckedd

This is a risk I won't encourage anyone to take. The brain sometimes slips (whatever that means 🤔) and shouldn't be relied on for such a task to always remember what has been memorized. I hope you got my drift, anyway.

Now, let's even take a cursory look at certain words in the seedphrase that are likely to be misspelt even though memorized. Words like – sed, phraze, Orr and gett in that sequence are likely going to be forgotten that they weren't spelt the right way. When that happens, the owner will be automatically denied access because they can't gain access. They might know how to sing the song made from such strings but may not remember their stylish spellings.

Writing down on a sheet of paper remains the best for me.

[Myleschetty]

I would never suggest anyone to depend on memorizing seed phrase, this is recipe for disaster.

No, it's a disaster. It is actually a suicide, and given the amount of advice given to people about not relying on memorization of a seed phrase, anyone who still considers it a possibility is technically not a serious person because the daily struggles that people face are enough to cause memory loss through depression.

[EL MOHA]

To add an extra security layer, we can create two copies of our seed and store it at two different locations like one at home and second in your bank locker. The owner of Bitcoins can figure out himself how many copies are sufficient because he is the one who has to take care of all copies of seed. 

The choice of where to keep the second seed phrase is actually another issue that needs to be dealt with carefully. Storing this seed phrase and keeping them at a places which are not entirely safe definitely exposes the seed phrase. Personally the best place to store the second seed phrase is actually at a location which is not in the same place as first.

For example your choice of second seed phrase is a bank and I ask is the bank in the same location as the first seed phrase with you because location is the most important thing in case of natural disasters as a natural disaster might actually take out both locations. Personally the best place to keep the phrase is actually another location a little bit far of the first one such that the disaster wouldn’t affecting both areas at once

[I_Anime]

Aslong you are in this space your seed phrase should be your top priority. Cause is the only key to your asset you can never get it back when you lose it , so as you are accumulating as an investor you should also focus highly on the safety of your coin to avoid story that touches the heart of others , as you save your seed phrase by any means make sure you are not being careless with it cause one care less love can cause you all your token .

[Charles-Tim]

I would never suggest anyone to depend on memorizing seed phrase, this is recipe for disaster.

Did you read what the OP posted about memorizing the seed phrase?

This is what he posted about it:

I have seen discussions where people are taking about how they were able to memorize their seed phrase making is safe for them than the traditional methods of keeping seed phrase on a paper. This pattern can look better but should be seen as alternative way like after writing your seed phrase in your diary, you can decide to memorize it while your diary can serves as backup in case you forget it.

Only memorizing the seed phrase without backup is wrong. But after backup, to memorize the seed phrase is not bad. You do not need to rely memory as you have the backups.

Nope. In fact, there are many reasons to say no. First and foremost,  paper containing SEED phrase cannot be openly stored, not to mention that this medium can be easily damaged in many ways.

This is the reason I like it. One backup in my apartment in my parents house where I keep my other books and another backup where I am living.

The seed phrase is extended with passphrase.

[knowngunman]

What if you want to store the seed phrase on your device for just short period of time, but what if the device is stolen at anytime within the short period of time. What if the phone malfunction and not working anymore?


Also having your seed phrase on an online device is very bad, not secure and safe.

In as much as educative this thread is supposed to be, certain recommendations by Op has rendered it substandard. Even thou having your back up phrase written on a paper is not a bad idea, writing it in a format giving by Op is totally a bad idea. Back up phrase should be written on a paper in such a way that even if someone mistakenly come across it, they'll hardly notice it's a back up phrase. I know some people are too smart to identify a back up phrase no matter how you arrange it but itemizing it that way with a heading (seed phrase) will definitely make it easier for even a dumb person to identify.

Having it written on your phone note is the worst recommendation by Op. It's the simplest way to get your wallet vulnerable and compromise. Some keyboards save your words as you type which means the developers can retrieve your seed phrase through the keyboard history. Another scenario is the one you just mentioned, your phone can get crashed or stolen at any moment. Newbies are found of sticking to convenient options and this is the most convenient option given to them by Op. Despite the warning that it shouldn't be kept on phone for long time, they will not listen. They will save the phrase on the phone for as long as possible until something terrible happens. It's not ideal to recommend this option at all knowing how careless some people can be.

[IjawMan]

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Writing down on paper has always been a preferred choice of backup for many investors, the effort needed for memorizing each phrases can be used to think some place safe to store the piece of paper.

Memorizing alone is never a good practice, the human brain can become old eventually, which any misplaced words is a threat to accessing your wallet from the backup.

Wallet backups should be simple but safe and better off using two or more backups plan than relying only on one.

Aside from the human brain getting old.
Humans are deemed to forget certain things or have a few memory losses due to stress, lack of sleep, depression, anxiety, and thyroid problems (with other medical problems).
The traditional method and the use of iron steel are still the best.

Is a dumb idea relying on our memory in the storage of our seed phrase given the flaws with human memory. I can instead adopt the paper storage using unreasonable ink to write down the seed phrase.

Among all listed the use of iron steel is simply the best and safest in terms of damage repellant and permanence, the iron steel engraved storage is unparalleled.

Whatever we do we should not depend on memory to store important informations, making physical records available will save the individual of any loss dew to health complications.

[Karl_3000]

Among all listed the use of iron steel is simply the best and safest in terms of damage repellant and permanence, the iron steel engraved storage is unparalleled.

Iron and steel are two different metals, Iron is an element while steel is an alloy made from Iron and carbon. Steel and stainless steel are also different because stainless steel contains chromium in addition. The chromium in stainless steel makes it resistant to rusting.

Steel is prone to rusting but stainless steel is resistant to rusting, that makes stainless steel to be best for seed phrase backup. If you want to learn more about seed phrase backup, fillippone has a very good thread about it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5389446.msg59506339#msg59506339

[Nightwalker(NW)]

Seed phrase can be memorized but after the person has at least 2 other backups like on a paper, laminated paper or on metal like steel or titanium.

Writing your seed phrase on your device should not stay there for too long. Your safety is very important.

What if you want to store the seed phrase on your device for just short period of time, but what if the device is stolen at anytime within the short period of time. What if the phone malfunction and not working anymore?


Also having your seed phrase on an online device is very bad, not secure and safe.

This could be the worst experience one should have or experiences are it is very painful having your key phrase or private key stored one phone or pc and it get compromised either being damaged or hack.
I think some people do save their seedphrase on MS word, excel and other Microsoft device which is not good as those words are sometimes being connected to online and one could get hacked so the important to do is just to jute it down laminate it as you said then person secured and not only that but multiple place.

[Asuspawer09]

I mean wow, didn't expect to see and memorize my seed phrase I mean it could work for sure for someone that has a sharp memorize, but personaly if I do that kind of stuff I would probably going to lose my seed phrase, probably its going to work if I have multiple of it, like I memorize my seed phrase but at the same time I also have it writing down on a notebook, an engrave as well on a steel plate for a full backup so that if I wouldnt going to open my wallet for a long time and my memory forgot the seed phrase I know that I still have a backup.

I think the best thing to do here is the metal plate thing since that is surely going to last for a long time and it's not going to destroy or burn is case your house get burnt something like that, the only thing for sure with this tangible backup is it can be stolen, so if someone steal it and they can steal your wallet as well, I personally do not have the metal thing, I only put it on a notebook, but I was planning to buy the metal thing for security.