Are casino TOS another “hidden house edge”?

[Beparanf]

99.9% of the people just tick the I read ToS check box without reading and they will realize some rules are exists only after the casino void their bets or locked their account and started creaming they are scammers when they have made the mistake from the other side. Yes, casino got some rules that benefits them but it is our responsibility again to know all those things and not to do anything that is against their terms.

Other casino already removing the mandatory ToS acknowledgement during the registration process to make the registration quick and easy.

AFAIK I don’t remember ticking a box so far that I acknowledge to read the ToS when I registered on new casino unlike before that this is a mandatory action before you can create an account.

I will not be surprised if many users are not familiar with casino ToS.

Did you ever read a TOS before? I think 99% of people just tick the box without reading, I never seen anyone clicking and reading a full essay of words that is the TOS of services because people just know most is just burocracy and doesn't matter.

For casinos they often have the same rules of not allowing multiple accounts and using bugs and glitches and this is it. If you just bet like a human does with no bad intentions and play fair you often do not get banned. I know I never got banned from a casino or got accounts frozen.

Yes, I always read casino ToS as an experienced gambler since I need to verify all the terms including restricted countries, limits and many more that related to my game.

I deposit a good amount of bankroll whenever I play so I’m always cautious on the casino ToS.

Although, I knew that the majority preferred to skip it because they are just using the casino casually.

[wiss19]

99.9% of the people just tick the I read ToS check box without reading and they will realize some rules are exists only after the casino void their bets or locked their account and started creaming they are scammers when they have made the mistake from the other side. Yes, casino got some rules that benefits them but it is our responsibility again to know all those things and not to do anything that is against their terms.

How did you manage to know? Could it be because you are one of it? But if you notice, it sounds that I know it too right? Okay you got me now. I admit that I am among those 99.9% but the reason we skip it is because it is too much to read, right? And then the words used on them are too jargony, making it hard for an ordinary person to understand what is stated there. I still do read what are TOS before and makes me realized that most of them are only repeating.

This is another reason on why I just skip them now. Casinos already did their part of creating a platform that makes us to enjoy and be profitable. So yeah, that we also need to do our part too of following their rules and if not, we are mainly the ones that can suffer at the end.

[Findingnemo]

99.9% of the people just tick the I read ToS check box without reading and they will realize some rules are exists only after the casino void their bets or locked their account and started creaming they are scammers when they have made the mistake from the other side. Yes, casino got some rules that benefits them but it is our responsibility again to know all those things and not to do anything that is against their terms.

How did you manage to know? Could it be because you are one of it? But if you notice, it sounds that I know it too right? Okay you got me now. I admit that I am among those 99.9% but the reason we skip it is because it is too much to read, right? And then the words used on them are too jargony, making it hard for an ordinary person to understand what is stated there. I still do read what are TOS before and makes me realized that most of them are only repeating.

This is another reason on why I just skip them now. Casinos already did their part of creating a platform that makes us to enjoy and be profitable. So yeah, that we also need to do our part too of following their rules and if not, we are mainly the ones that can suffer at the end.

Just because we don't like reading it doesn't mean we have to skip it but if that is our choice then we need to take accountability for whatever the consequences will be. I do read tos on most of the platforms related to crypto or money in general because I don't want to take any risk but as you said it can be time consuming, not easier for everyone to understand and can be repetitive.

But now we can make use of AI tools for that, just copy paste the entire text and ask the bot to summarize it that will be readable.

[Synchronice]

Some gamblers think that a casino’s Terms of Service is just another form of house edge. The rules are always against the player, and sometimes people end up in trouble without even realizing they already violated something in the TOS.

So is this mindset actually correct, or is the real issue that they didn’t choose the right casino to gamble with in the first place?

If you’re active in the Gambling board and especially in Scam Accusations, you’ll notice a pattern. Most gamblers who run into problems are there because they violated the TOS, whether intentionally or not.

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

That's quite an interesting point of view. As you say, basically, if the casino can't beat you with their house edge because you were lucky, then their another step to challenge you is their ToS.
There are good casinos and there are bad casinos. I think that when you register, you have to read their ToS and respect their ToS, as this is an agreement between you and the casino. If you violate it, they have to do things according to their ToS, it's simply duty of both sides to follow the ToS.

By the way, there are casinos that abuse their ToS and there are casinos that honestly follow their ToS and are not happy when they enforce it against players who break the law. So, in some case it is a hidden house edge but in case of honest casinos, it definitely is not.

[LUCKMCFLY]

people always have the option not to play if they don't like the terms, and they can just choose to go to a different casino that they would prefer.

And that's the best option If we look at it, it's simple things are like this because there are many casinos. If we look around, there are many active and reputable online casinos , so we shouldn't get stuck on just one when there are so many I could recommend many I only have a few favorites.

[lombok]

people always have the option not to play if they don't like the terms, and they can just choose to go to a different casino that they would prefer.

And that's the best option If we look at it, it's simple things are like this because there are many casinos. If we look around, there are many active and reputable online casinos , so we shouldn't get stuck on just one when there are so many I could recommend many I only have a few favorites.

The availability of numerous online gambling sites cannot be used as an excuse to continue living in a loop of activities that will destroy our financial states. You have to understand that as much as you recommend gambling sites you extend the plight of suffering people who may be finding it hard to quit.

This should not involved just making comparisons between casinos, we should be doing much more productive activities. The cessation of gambling advertising in any manifestation is an objective method of creating a social environment that is many times more healthy and respectable.

[shasan]

Some gamblers think that a casino’s Terms of Service is just another form of house edge. The rules are always against the player, and sometimes people end up in trouble without even realizing they already violated something in the TOS.

So is this mindset actually correct, or is the real issue that they didn’t choose the right casino to gamble with in the first place?

If you’re active in the Gambling board and especially in Scam Accusations, you’ll notice a pattern. Most gamblers who run into problems are there because they violated the TOS, whether intentionally or not.

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

You are correct, but those who use the terms of service for their service obviously will write the terms and conditions to make them favor not for the favor of their user/customer. If there is anyone who do not break any rules of them then there should have no fair to be scammed or something else.

[Bitcoin Smith]

ToS of any platform we use is some kind of hidden endge that saves them from legal complications that is why we can't use their service unless we are agreeing too which doesn't mean they can scam us and still they can get away with it, it is to save them from complicated things that people always try to do to make money with lawsuit or other means.

[Dr.Osh]

Gamblers usually don't care about the TOS in a particular casino. Only a few people take the time to read the TOS even if they only read the main points. That's why many players don't know that they have violated the casino's rules and they start accusing the casino of cheating them.

[jostorres]

If you’re active in the Gambling board and especially in Scam Accusations, you’ll notice a pattern. Most gamblers who run into problems are there because they violated the TOS, whether intentionally or not.

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

Oh yeah, for sure it gives casino a tool to exploit if required. I remember there was a casino, I don't remember the name now, but they had written in TOS that the maximum withdrawal per day is like $2000. Someone there won about 250k and he actually had to wait 4-5 months for his money. These terms, while not illegal, they trouble the user so much and such limits usually frustrate the gambler enough that he ends up losing all the money he won.

If you say anything they will quote some point in TOS, which allows them to do whatever they want. Like if you are asked KYC and you ask the support why it's needed suddenly after 2 years and why it wasn't needed when I was losing. They will just reference to a small term that says we can ask for KYC whenever we find it necessary and what's 'necessary' is again determined by them.

[freedomgo]

Gamblers usually don't care about the TOS in a particular casino. Only a few people take the time to read the TOS even if they only read the main points. That's why many players don't know that they have violated the casino's rules and they start accusing the casino of cheating them.

How can someone accuse the casino of cheating if they didn’t even read the TOS? We’re talking about rules here.

I don’t think it’s always that they never read it at all. Most of the time, they read it but fail to understand it correctly, and that misunderstanding becomes the reason they feel cheated. For me, if I’m going to complain, I make sure I read the TOS first. That’s basically the law in this situation, and that’s what decides whether I violated something or not in the casino’s eyes.

[barbara44]

people always have the option not to play if they don't like the terms, and they can just choose to go to a different casino that they would prefer.

And that's the best option If we look at it, it's simple things are like this because there are many casinos. If we look around, there are many active and reputable online casinos , so we shouldn't get stuck on just one when there are so many I could recommend many I only have a few favorites.

That is the only good thing, actually. There are so many crypto casinos that they have to remain competitive or the player will switch. If one casino offers weekly and monthly bonuses, almost all of the casinos will have to follow suit. The daily drops were never a thing in the past, but now all decent crypto casinos are offering daily drops because Stake started it and it was important for others to follow.

Personally, I don't think the Terms and Conditions are a hidden edge. It just gives the casino power to remove shady players and sometimes pro bettors who are trying to beat the system. Obviously, no casino wants winning players in the long term.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Personally, I don't think the Terms and Conditions are a hidden edge. It just gives the casino power to remove shady players and sometimes pro bettors who are trying to beat the system. Obviously, no casino wants winning players in the long term.

Yes, there's no need to worry about that, but you have to see things from every point of view. As players, sometimes when we play we don't even read the rules and we get overconfident, but when we go to play and do certain things we find out that X thing can't be done , that's where the trouble starts That's why it's better to read before playing, I know it's tedious, but it's necessary.