In post meriting, do subjectivity play a role for your decision?

[IjawMan]

A casual observation!

Right when I registered to open an account in the forum I have found that much emphasis is laid on merits in the forum relating to post quality for merited and unmerited posts.

Example is-- when a post receives merit it is considered to be of quality, why it got merited. And when a post does not receive merit, does it mean it has no quality, sends no valuable message?

Cause I have seen good and quality posts and comments in threads with no merits. And I will be questioning my self, if merit reward is one metric to identify a good quality post why are there many visible quality posts yet unmerited? Painfully is when there will be users who will agree with the comment or post to be coherent and intelligible, yet with no merit reward.

[Zaguru12]

A casual observation!

Right when I registered to open an account in the forum I have found that much emphasis is laid on merits in the forum relating to post quality for merited and unmerited posts.

Example is-- when a post receives merit it is considered to be of quality, why it got merited. And when a post does not receive merit, does it mean it has no quality, sends no valuable message?

Cause I have seen good and quality posts and comments in threads with no merits. And I will be questioning my self, if merit reward is one metric to identify a good quality post why are there many visible quality posts yet unmerited? Painfully is when there will be users who will agree with the comment or post to be coherent and intelligible, yet with no merit reward.

Do you know the reality around this? It is actually the main reason why everyone can actually send out merit (if you have smerits remaining) and why Theymos didn’t segregate that to only some few members alone, so when you see a post deserving of merit you simply just merit it and not actually wait for anyone to merit it.

Post quality are subjective and the more reason why some posts are not merited but there is never an harm you been the first to do that. Also there are various threads my merit sources where you can also report those kind of you posts if you think they are worthy of merit and you don’t have to share. If the source finds it worthy it is merited.

So when next you see one quality post simply merit it or report it to the threads available for that, that’s a very good way of contributing to the post quality retention on this forum

[Mia Chloe]

Cause I have seen good and quality posts and comments in threads with no merits. And I will be questioning my self, if merit reward is one metric to identify a good quality post why are there many visible quality posts yet unmerited? Painfully is when there will be users who will agree with the comment or post to be coherent and intelligible, yet with no merit reward.

Leave a link to the posts in your next reply and I'll check them out when I get a merit refill.
The fact is quality is a first hand factor that is considered when you want sending out merit it doesn't mean it's the only factor involved. Sometimes it could be humour sometimes it could be help but simultaneously a user can classify it as part of quality it all depends.

The edge of a poster is a simple logic of if you posts things that does make sense more people would want to read it hence the higher the chances of them considering it quality.

[Hatchy]

Every user has a different perspective on what makes a post good. Sometimes a post is high quality but doesn't immediately catch someone's eye. If a post hasn't received merit yet, it doesn't necessarily mean it’s bad, (aside those spamming to increase post counts). Quality posts are sometimes overlooked, but they usually get recognized eventually. I do receive merit on posts I wrote years ago and had completely forgotten about.. This shows that even if your post isn't noticed today, a merit source or some generous user might find it later and send merits to it..

Also, if you see a post that deserves meriting, there are specific threads on the forum where you can suggest it to merit sources.

[_act_]

Example is-- when a post receives merit it is considered to be of quality, why it got merited. And when a post does not receive merit, does it mean it has no quality, sends no valuable message?

No, it does not mean it is not a quality post.

Let me reveal what most of you do not know about merit on this forum. Merit is more about influence, if you have more influence on this forum, you will have higher merit because you are more known. But those that have influence are posting something very good that some people like.

Grow your influence and post good.

There is a thread that you can report the posts:
[self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093271.msg49051692#msg49051692

[KingsDen]

Exposure or visibility plays an important role in merit acquisition. You could make some quality posts, but in a board that is less visible, and it will not recieve the amount of merits it ought to. That is why some threads were created to mention unmerited good posts.
You also have to remember that quality is purely subjective. What you think is quality might not be anything close to quality in the eyes of another person.

So, in conclusion. The merit system is not a flawless system and it's nothing close to that. It has it's flaws but yet has advantages that we cannot overlook for now. In a way, it has reduced spam but also spammers are still spamming.

[criptoevangelista]

Useful information is very relative and depends on who is reading it, therefore people are free to give merits or not. In a way, there are far more good posts than available merits. If merit sources stopped giving dozens of merits at once to just a few users (I’m not judging, everyone does what they want) and instead spread them among the good posts that exist here, including in the gambling section, the forum would be a much better community and would encourage people to post higher-quality content more and more.

[Amphenomenon]

Example is-- when a post receives merit it is considered to be of quality, why it got merited. And when a post does not receive merit, does it mean it has no quality, sends no valuable message?

Mind you not all post that are being merited are quality or deserves the number of merits they received and this even makes those quality post not getting merited more ironic. Also, sometimes merit sources doesn't see these posts or maybe some those but have exhausted their sMerits but there threads to support in aiding merit sources and others merit quality posts and links has been shared already in previous reply here.

Take your time to go through this still recent thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5569413.msg66211776#msg66211776

[FirmWars]

Quality is subjective, a post might pass important information to you which could make you see it as a high quality post but if another member reads same post, they might not merit it because the post is about old idea which might have been posted here before, so it takes someone that like the post to have merit too before you can merit such post, for example if a post was high quality to you and you have some merit, you can send to the post because it helped you learn something new. Also, merit source have some boards that they don't mostly pay attention to, they put those boards on their ignored boards, meaning that when you are only posting in those boards, your post might be quality but merit source and reputable members don't go to the board.

Tips: quality post is subjective, posting in dead thread is equal to not getting merit because of 99% chance that merits source won't visit those threads, posting in bulk thread of about 5 pages and counting, posting in boards that have been ignored by most merit source and reputable members.

[notocactus]

Right when I registered to open an account in the forum I have found that much emphasis is laid on merits in the forum relating to post quality for merited and unmerited posts.

Example is-- when a post receives merit it is considered to be of quality, why it got merited. And when a post does not receive merit, does it mean it has no quality, sends no valuable message?

This question should be from a newbie member, not from you who have enough time here and already received merit like charm.

Good posters don't mind about merit especially when they already ranked up to high ranks and after they reach to a rank they want, merit is no longer important with them, but it is like funny things, gifts to make them happier a little bit.

Only members who need to rank up would feel stressful with merit.
Shit posters feel most stressful with earning merit because it is created as barrier against shitposter to rank up.

Cause I have seen good and quality posts and comments in threads with no merits. And I will be questioning my self, if merit reward is one metric to identify a good quality post why are there many visible quality posts yet unmerited?

People can see good posts but don't have smerit for sending merit. Another bigger reason is good posts are covered by shitposts, so let's stop posting shitposts and report shitposts more. Don't spam, and contribute with reports to reduce the spam.

[Mpamaegbu]

Example is-- when a post receives merit it is considered to be of quality, why it got merited. And when a post does not receive merit, does it mean it has no quality, sends no valuable message?

No, it doesn't mean that. Meriting posts depends on who read them and are willing to pat the posters on the back, even when they're spamming.

Cause I have seen good and quality posts and comments in threads with no merits. And I will be questioning my self, if merit reward is one metric to identify a good quality post why are there many visible quality posts yet unmerited?

This is common place now. Sadly, there's no tracker to find out which of the merit sources have also read those posts and have merit in their kitty and refused to merit such posts. This forum doesn't have that ability to know that for now. Otherwise, some merit sources would be receiving strikes for such selfish behaviour.

Painfully is when there will be users who will agree with the comment or post to be coherent and intelligible, yet with no merit reward.

Yeah, that does happen. Sometimes those agreeing or applauding may not have merit to give. The only way you can find out if they've or not and refused to give is if you checked their profile on https://bpip.org. For instance, I agree with your post here but I can't merit it as I don't have merit to do so.

Let me reveal what most of you do not know about merit on this forum. Merit is more about influence, if you have more influence on this forum, you will have higher merit because you are more known. But those that have influence are posting something very good that some people like.

Grow your influence and post good.

By influence, you meant clique or camaraderie; right? You see? That's why I've always maintained that meriting posts isn't all about objective reviews but about emotional assessments. There are lots of good posts left unmerited and slightly beneath them even on the same page are spam posts merited.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Most of the time, I would say that people give merit to a post which they find some positive quality in. Then there are some situations when somebody just wants to help another member rank up their account.

Occasionally, you will see posts of average and less than average quality receive merits. This can raise red flags sometimes because of the amount of people that have been caught farming alt accounts to join multiple campaigns.

As long as you are not abusing the merit system, you are free to merit whatever post you want for whatever reason. Good posts go unmerited because the amount of merit is scarce compared to the number of posts that are made on this forum. The number of merit sources is also small and they cannot possibly read everything.

[Yablee0]

Example is-- when a post receives merit it is considered to be of quality, why it got merited. And when a post does not receive merit, does it mean it has no quality, sends no valuable message?

Their are some few circumstances surrounding this whole meriting stuff, everybody has their respective way of viewing things perhaps what seems more quality to Mrs A can not be seen as a quality post to Mrs B.

Secondly, their are some quality post that didn't get merit not because they are bad or not good enough but because they aren't visible, in the sense that they may have fell in the third, forth or even the tenths page and in situations like this it is very different for any merit source to notice such post,  or maybe if you are lucky maybe someone can just see it someday and get it merited . And lastly we do have somewhere as in a thread we do submit some of our  unmerited best post of which you can also do well to take it there to make things more easy for yourself.

[_act_]

Their are some few circumstances surrounding this whole meriting stuff, everybody has their respective way of viewing things perhaps what seems more quality to Mrs A can not be seen as a quality post to Mrs B.

A merit source has told me before that there are sometimes that he sees a good post but he will have no merit to give. Some merit source monthly smerits are small.

This is not happening to only merit source but mostly happening to other users that are not merit source.

Secondly, their are some quality post that didn't get merit not because they are bad or not good enough but because they aren't visible, in the sense that they may have fell in the third, forth or even the tenths page and in situations like this it is very different for merit source to notice such post

Most posts on the page 10 are mostly spam. Most long threads that good sources are present, they continue to give good posters merit there.

[Doan9269]

when a post receives merit it is considered to be of quality, why it got merited. And when a post does not receive merit, does it mean it has no quality, sends no valuable message?

No, a post could be of a quality content and even be short and precise and yet lack merit, many factors could cause this and i will like you to have a look on some reasons i think may be the causes.

1. It may lack visibility, posting after several pages have been reached.
2. What seems quality to your own eye may not apply to me as quality, therefore its at individuals discretion for it judgment.
3. Sometimes we may come across a quality post but lack smerit to give out in such case, this does not only affect the members alone, even some merits sources do run out of smerits.
4. Lastly, you should know that virtually not every post will be merit deserving, while majority of the quality ones receives after being discovered, even all our fingers are not equal, despite they are all important to us.
  

[LoyceV]

Cause I have seen good and quality posts and comments in threads with no merits.

I doubt that. But feel free to post them here.

A casual observation!

My own "casual" observation: I see more and more posts from users with a "Rollbit" signature, flooding the boards they didn't visit before, searching for Merit.

[Cryptoprincess101]

The reality is just that not every good posts will be merited in the forum because most people including some merit sources don't read many posts in a thread, they just read few posts and give merits if they like the post or the user that made such posts and not necessarily that it must be a high-quality post. I have come to understand that contrary to the idea behind the introduction of the merit system, which is for quality posts, most users merit posts that they like and agree with, not because they are of good quality, this is just the truth of it.
     Some merit sources are also too lazy to send merits to quality posts because they feel they are not obligated to it since it's just a voluntary service to the forum.

[vapourminer]

Painfully is when there will be users who will agree with the comment or post to be coherent and intelligible, yet with no merit reward.

Yeah, that does happen. Sometimes those agreeing or applauding may not have merit to give. The only way you can find out if they've or not and refused to give is if you checked their profile on https://bpip.org. For instance, I agree with your post here but I can't merit it as I don't have merit to do so.

you check the poster who replies to you to see how many sendable merits they have??

"refused" to give??

you guys are waaaaaaay overthinking this. for example, im simply lazy af

[BitBakerr1]

The simple truth is that what you may think as quality post for you may not be a quality post for another, I have created some thread where some people see it as a post that is not quality and some see it as quality post, so those post you are seeing as quality post when you bring it out you will see a lot of people will criticizing it and some people will also love it.
And again some merit serious are not machine they are human and for that reason they can't see all the quality posts that are being made in this forum the only way out is for the forum administration to increase merit source, there are some applications that has been in the forum for long I believe is time to make them merit source.

[YOSHIE]

do subjectivity play a role for your decision?

Of course, the view of subjectivity is certain, if you talk about giving (Merit) to other members.
You can give achievements/merits to other members based on your personal bias, the way you understand the conversational text post personally or you can view it based on your feelings in the post.

Many posts like yours are not given achievements/merits, because they don't look at it subjectively but they look at it with a different objective view, the text content is full page but not reality and tasteless from a personal view.

In essence, if you give Merit to another member it can be assessed subjectively, it doesn't have to be quality, you have full rights to feel and understand other members' posts.