In post meriting, do subjectivity play a role for your decision?

[dkbit98]

Example is-- when a post receives merit it is considered to be of quality, why it got merited. And when a post does not receive merit, does it mean it has no quality, sends no valuable message?

No it doesn't.
I am sending merits to posts I found good, interesting and useful.
If I see some posts with lots of merits received it could bring more of my attention to read it, but that doesn't mean I will send merits.
I will admit that post quality is not like it used to be, but we still have good posts written all the time in forum, and they deserve to receive merit reward.

[Pablo-wood]

Example is-- when a post receives merit it is considered to be of quality, why it got merited. And when a post does not receive merit, does it mean it has no quality, sends no valuable message?

A post could be quality and not informative, a post could still be generic and still have quality in terms of being engaging, useful or relevant to the public. I believe it's depends on individual preference on which post to merit and which post to just reply and move on. Merited posts most times goes beyond quality, it has other criteria based on individual preferences and decisions.

[DPHOR]

From what I noticed and understood so far, merits are given through the helpful aspect of the post, it could be as if the post help people or helps a particular person/ user and s/he may decide to reward post based on how helpful and attractive it could be. Though, you can't measure the level of your post quality to that of other person, so everyone with what they sees as quality.

[The Cryptovator]

Example is-- when a post receives merit it is considered to be of quality, why it got merited. And when a post does not receive merit, does it mean it has no quality, sends no valuable message?

Thousands of posts/replies are created per day; I might miss it. If merit senders or sources don't notice quality posts, then it would be unmerited. Also, merit senders measure quality posts based on their own standards. If you really think any post deserves merits but was left unmerited, then you can raise that on the reputation board merit thread. You must be aware of it since you wrote here about merit.

Cause I have seen good and quality posts and comments in threads with no merits. And I will be questioning my self, if merit reward is one metric to identify a good quality post why are there many visible quality posts yet unmerited? Painfully is when there will be users who will agree with the comment or post to be coherent and intelligible, yet with no merit reward.

Merit is deserved for quality posts, don't you agree? Your quality standards would be different from ours; if you have merits, then you can send them. Expect merit sources; there is no obligation for general users to spend their merits, even if it's a quality post they might not be interested in it. Merit sources work voluntarily; it's impossible to read all the replies and posts for every section. As I said, if you feel any post missing merits, then list them on the merit thread on the reputation board.

[Ivystar5]

A casual observation!

Right when I registered to open an account in the forum I have found that much emphasis is laid on merits in the forum relating to post quality for merited and unmerited posts.

Example is-- when a post receives merit it is considered to be of quality, why it got merited. And when a post does not receive merit, does it mean it has no quality, sends no valuable message?

Cause I have seen good and quality posts and comments in threads with no merits. And I will be questioning my self, if merit reward is one metric to identify a good quality post why are there many visible quality posts yet unmerited? Painfully is when there will be users who will agree with the comment or post to be coherent and intelligible, yet with no merit reward.

Then it is obvious that those users who agree with the opinion of another user yet did not merit it are the people who should be questioned and you who saw it and did not merit it should be questioned because merit rewarding is not only the works of merit sources but we all as members so when you see a qualified post yet not merit it and wonder why it's not merit then you have a problem but whereby you lack merit to merit it, then you can actually send such post to someone who is a source to merit it. Than shows how much concern you actually have in doing the right thing.

[SamReomo]

Painfully is when there will be users who will agree with the comment or post to be coherent and intelligible, yet with no merit reward.

That happens because merit sources aren't going to check each post as they're humans and they don't have much time to check each post/thread.

If they somehow see a good post they send some merits to it, but if they don't then such a post might not get any merits whatsoever.

However, I've noticed that there're members who gain many merits yet they're not merit sources but even such members don't send any merits to worthy posts.

There're few member with very low sMerits and such member can't be blamed because it will be hard for them to send any merits to even a well deserving post/thread but sometimes they send merits as well.

[IjawMan]

Every user has a different perspective on what makes a post good. Sometimes a post is high quality but doesn't immediately catch someone's eye. If a post hasn't received merit yet, it doesn't necessarily mean it’s bad, (aside those spamming to increase post counts).

Perspective, yes is true. There users that high quality of a post is discern by them to be only when it of benefit to them reading, and resonate with their viewpoint.

 

Quality posts are sometimes overlooked, but they usually get recognized eventually. I do receive merit on posts I wrote years ago and had completely forgotten about.. This shows that even if your post isn't noticed today, a merit source or some generous user might find it later and send merits to it..

I have experienced this before from a generous user. That been said, still most quality old post do not receive such dew attention.

 

Also, if you see a post that deserves meriting, there are specific threads on the forum where you can suggest it to merit sources.

Noted. I will keep that in perspective.

Cause I have seen good and quality posts and comments in threads with no merits. And I will be questioning my self, if merit reward is one metric to identify a good quality post why are there many visible quality posts yet unmerited? Painfully is when there will be users who will agree with the comment or post to be coherent and intelligible, yet with no merit reward.

Leave a link to the posts in your next reply and I'll check them out when I get a merit refill.

I'm able to provide those I can get my hands on for now. Expect more 

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[LoyceV]

Some merit sources are also too lazy to send merits to quality posts

Some users are too lazy to write quality posts What's your excuse for blaming others? Why don't you apply to be a Merit source?

[Rikafip]

Example is-- when a post receives merit it is considered to be of quality, why it got merited.

This was maybe the case in the past at the begining of merit system when people were probably more selective and there was much more active users than it is now, so competition for each merit was tougher.

Nowadays, there is so much merit going around that even shitposters are able to reach higher ranks, so no, just because post is merited, doesn't automatically indicate quality.

Cause I have seen good and quality posts and comments in threads with no merits. And I will be questioning my self, if merit reward is one metric to identify a good quality post why are there many visible quality posts yet unmerited?

This can happen due several reasons, like for example not many active merit sources in that specific part of the forum, or simply no one at that specific time had any merit to sent. Also, each one of us has a different opinion of what a quality post is, so that is also a factor.

What I noticed though is that for quite some time, no quality member will have issues earning merit and more often than not, his progress will be slowed down by activity requirements.

[IjawMan]

Example is-- when a post receives merit it is considered to be of quality, why it got merited. And when a post does not receive merit, does it mean it has no quality, sends no valuable message?

Thousands of posts/replies are created per day; I might miss it. If merit senders or sources don't notice quality posts, then it would be unmerited. Also, merit senders measure quality posts based on their own standards.

It is correct about the posts volume per day.

I noticed also that different users measure quality post by different standards, this why a post that XYZ will term quality will not be for another user. And with the individual standard it can make a user overlook what is a quality post.

If you really think any post deserves merits but was left unmerited, then you can raise that on the reputation board merit thread. You must be aware of it since you wrote here about merit.

I Snuck a peek carefully at the reputation board to discover that particular thread for the first time, I think. I was only familiar with this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5445913.msg61957500#msg61957500 which is for only ranking up by required activity and merits earned.

 

Cause I have seen good and quality posts and comments in threads with no merits. And I will be questioning my self, if merit reward is one metric to identify a good quality post why are there many visible quality posts yet unmerited? Painfully is when there will be users who will agree with the comment or post to be coherent and intelligible, yet with no merit reward.

Merit is deserved for quality posts, don't you agree? Your quality standards would be different from ours; if you have merits, then you can send them. Expect merit sources; there is no obligation for general users to spend their merits, even if it's a quality post they might not be interested in it. Merit sources work voluntarily; it's impossible to read all the replies and posts for every section. As I said, if you feel any post missing merits, then list them on the merit thread on the reputation board.

Agreed.

[Mia Chloe]

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Well it's a good eye you have must say I checked them out and I have sent out some merits as promised. Next time instead of creating a thread you could report such posts to already existing threads there are a couple of them across the forum I think LoyceV has one though it's better really long since I visited it.

Some merit sources are also too lazy to send merits to quality posts

Some users are too lazy to write quality posts What's your excuse for blaming others? Why don't you apply to be a Merit source?

Lol I laughed out hard when I read this.. I've not seen any sources too lazy to send out merit. It's just if a user has too many garbage posts over time sources don't bother to read it.

[Mpamaegbu]

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you check the poster who replies to you to see how many sendable merits they have??

"refused" to give??

you guys are waaaaaaay overthinking this. for example, im simply lazy af

I believe you read through that part of my comment you bolded. I merely stated that the user in quote could be wrong by assuming that another user who agreed with a post made should've equally merited such post(s) and not just only agreeing with them. For me, what I said there, by implication, is that a user may not have merit to splash on posts they may agree with them without meriting it and not that they're hoarding merit.

[Findingnemo]

Merit is highly subjective because there is no clear rules for it, one can spend their merits as much as they want and as they way they want. And even if you see a quality post and not received any merit then it is yet to read by someone who thinks it is worth sending merit and also got smerit to spend on it.

[m2017]

A casual observation!

You are not the only one who made this observation.

Right when I registered to open an account in the forum I have found that much emphasis is laid on merits in the forum relating to post quality for merited and unmerited posts.

Because merit is a direct path to advancement in rank.

Example is-- when a post receives merit it is considered to be of quality, why it got merited. And when a post does not receive merit, does it mean it has no quality, sends no valuable message?

Merit is a subjective measure of a post's quality. It's highly subjective and not a 100% indicator.

I'd compare merit to likes on social media. This is an indicator that the person who gave a merit shares the poster's point of view and liked the post. That is, a post receiving merit means that the person who gave it liked it. Nothing more.

Cause I have seen good and quality posts and comments in threads with no merits. And I will be questioning my self, if merit reward is one metric to identify a good quality post why are there many visible quality posts yet unmerited?

Comments you consider good are "good" only in your worldview (and they might be for other users, too, by the way). Others might find these same posts "uninteresting". If you've deemed a post worthy of merit, what's stopping you? Give it merit and restore justice (in your opinion).

Painfully is when there will be users who will agree with the comment or post to be coherent and intelligible, yet with no merit reward.

Is this painful for you? Because your posts aren't getting the attention they deserve? Isn't that the root of the problem with this thread?

[LoyceV]

Merit is a subjective measure of a post's quality. It's highly subjective and not a 100% indicator.

Each individual Merit is subjective, but many Merits combined from different users become an indicator for post quality.

I'd compare merit to likes on social media. This is an indicator that the person who gave a merit shares the poster's point of view and liked the post. That is, a post receiving merit means that the person who gave it liked it. Nothing more.

That's the wrong use of Merit. Merit isn't supposed to be a "like" and posts you don't agree with can still be good posts.

[IjawMan]

Painfully is when there will be users who will agree with the comment or post to be coherent and intelligible, yet with no merit reward.

Is this painful for you? Because your posts aren't getting the attention they deserve? Isn't that the root of the problem with this thread?

No. You are mistaken the whole intent of the thread. Except that is a personal view you have settled onto then I do not have to stretch words to your convincing.

I'd compare merit to likes on social media. This is an indicator that the person who gave a merit shares the poster's point of view and liked the post. That is, a post receiving merit means that the person who gave it liked it. Nothing more.

On social media a user can click the "Like" button without knowing why they did it. It makes much difference with merit in the forum.

Aside you comparing the forum merit use to that of "Like" on social media which I do not agree with, are you indeed giving it that cause a post/reply do not agree with your view and, you do not like it, automatically makes it a non-quality post even when it is of quality by it information?

If that be it, then, I feel it makes the word "subjectivity" in this thread title visibly cuts in to be correct.

[DPHOR]

Merit is a subjective measure of a post's quality. It's highly subjective and not a 100% indicator.

Each individual Merit is subjective, but many Merits combined from different users become an indicator for post quality.

I'd compare merit to likes on social media. This is an indicator that the person who gave a merit shares the poster's point of view and liked the post. That is, a post receiving merit means that the person who gave it liked it. Nothing more.

That's the wrong use of Merit. Merit isn't supposed to be a "like" and posts you don't agree with can still be good posts.

I totally agreed to what you said..
There is what we calls individual "dichotomy" which anyone is subjected to how quality a thing could be to them, I may value a post very well and give merits to it while others may see it and scroll away of it. This doesn't mean that they don't value but they are not touched to merit that post as they don't have it something that helps them, whereas, anyone whom the post helps can actually gives merits to the post without them missing it. There people who gives merits based on that someone else already given it so they may also want to appreciate it as what others did without knowing they must give it merits.