Investment Become Gambling

[samadam007]

You really believe that investing requires knowledge about volatility, market trends and how to manage funds?

Yes but not indepth. Good knowledge about votality, market trends and fund management isn't only for BTC traders but also for investors. This help them stay firm during a challenging period like this( during the dip) as they keep in mind that price aren't stay and can show a great move for dip or bull within seconds.

 At what point will folks know they have gotten enough knowledge to start investing? Tbh i don't see why anyone has to understand all the things you mentioned before investing in Bitcoin. Just start with simple long term mindset and strategy, invest only what you can afford, and gradually gather experience along the way. Waiting until you fully understand volatility, market trends or fund management will only delay you from getting started

[Bigjoe33]

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Most Bitcoin hodlers that call themselves investors are traders. This is because they sell their coin when they observe increase in price or little dip. A good knowledge about votality, market trend and fund management is required to be a good investor.

You really believe that investing requires knowledge about volatility, market trends and how to manage funds?  Do you need to know those things prior to starting to buy bitcoin?  And what do you consider the role of selling to be for an investor?

I think the OP have made some mistakes with his reference of calling investments as gambling, but I disagree with him that investment in Bitcoin can be categorized as gambling because it’s a totally two different things entirely, investing in Bitcoin doesn’t mean you loose your money immediately, but bitcoin your money is still there, and you keep stacking your investments is there.

Surely, investment and gambling are two different things, no one argues that. But I think I understand the OP properly and I don't think he is that wrong in his reference about investments becoming gambling. If you read the topic properly, you will notice he was trying to recount a situation where two investors who started the Bitcoin investment with a long term goal, but along the line, mindset and approach changed.

Mr A continued with the long term investment and HODL approach, while Mr B became intoxicated with the little jump in price and started taking profits, monitoring the market, studying charts and selling and buying back in decline. Of course, such attitude of Mr B is the character of a trader, and trading is just like gambling which is full of risk and has no intentional value because we can always lose and win by chance or luck.

Inorder words, our approach to our investment matters alot. When we approach out investment with a trading mentality, then, we may likely say we are gambling with our investment and also putting it at a very great risk of loosing it.
So I believe when he says in his topic that investment become gambling, he was actually referring to our individual approach to our investment, stating that if we don't invest properly and have a good approach to it, our investment can actually turn gambling.

[Tongley]

You really believe that investing requires knowledge about volatility, market trends and how to manage funds?

Yes but not indepth. Good knowledge about votality, market trends and fund management isn't only for BTC traders but also for investors. This help them stay firm during a challenging period like this( during the dip) as they keep in mind that price aren't stay and can show a great move for dip or bull within seconds.

 At what point will folks know they have gotten enough knowledge to start investing? Tbh i don't see why anyone has to understand all the things you mentioned before investing in Bitcoin. Just start with simple long term mindset and strategy, invest only what you can afford, and gradually gather experience along the way. Waiting until you fully understand volatility, market trends or fund management will only delay you from getting started

When a person has basic knowledge about Bitcoin and when they are able to find a source of discretionary income, they can start investing or we can say they have enough knowledge to start investing. The biggest step and the most necessary step is to start investing. When a person starts investing, they will be much ahead of the investment stage, compared to all those people who are waiting to gain knowledge to invest.

However, I would like to mention one thing from my personal point of view, it is better to keep our emergency fund at a minimum level when starting investing, but it is not mandatory. For example, when a person starts investing, he can divide his discretionary income into three levels and start investing. The reason for dividing the discretionary fund is so that we can move our investment, emergency fund, extra expenses money all in parallel.

[Sunshine1525]

Yes but not indepth. Good knowledge about votality, market trends and fund management isn't only for BTC traders but also for investors. This help them stay firm during a challenging period like this( during the dip) as they keep in mind that price aren't stay and can show a great move for dip or bull within seconds.

 At what point will folks know they have gotten enough knowledge to start investing? Tbh i don't see why anyone has to understand all the things you mentioned before investing in Bitcoin. Just start with simple long term mindset and strategy, invest only what you can afford, and gradually gather experience along the way. Waiting until you fully understand volatility, market trends or fund management will only delay you from getting started

Do not forget figuring out the amount from the discretionary funds that woukd be used for investment cause that's one of the most important things that's need for some intrested in Bitcoin to start, not spending time gathering knowledge as of Bitcoin is some professional course that needs to be studied deeply before understanding it.

I'm not even sure it would take a new too long like months or so to understand Bitcoin so the important thing after figuring out how to buy is to get started and understand it better with time.

[Fash33]

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Most Bitcoin hodlers that call themselves investors are traders. This is because they sell their coin when they observe increase in price or little dip. A good knowledge about votality, market trend and fund management is required to be a good investor.

You really believe that investing requires knowledge about volatility, market trends and how to manage funds?  Do you need to know those things prior to starting to buy bitcoin?  And what do you consider the role of selling to be for an investor?

Investing in bitcoin doesn't require an investor to have knowledge about bitcoin volatility or market trends. An investor doesn't need to understand how volatility or market trends work before they can start accumulating bitcoin. The most important thing is if they can figure out there discretionary income, then they can start accumulating bitcoin. It is only those that are after quick profit or trading that should be bothered about knowing how volatility works or market trends. As for those that are investing in bitcoin with long term mindset, all they need to know is how to be able to figure out there discretionary income.

I support the idea that investing in Bitcoin does not necessarily imply that one must become an expert on volatility or technical analysis before starting the investment process. It is necessary first of all to assess your current financial situation and invest money which is not the part of your budget. It will make you consistent and will allow you to follow the plan without extra pressure on your budget.

For long-term investors, the short-term fluctuations do not present any obstacles; in fact, it is more like a path which has to be passed by the investor. In spite of the fact that certain knowledge about the cycles of the market may contribute to making better decisions and will help in gaining more confidence in future, it does not imply that this knowledge is necessary to start investing in Bitcoin.

If a newbie bitcoiner comes to bitcoin and spends a bit of time looking at bitcoin charts (even an hour or two), there can be a certain appreciation that the price direction of bitcoin is not very well known in the future, and even perhaps to recognize that bitcoin has a tendency to act in quite volatile ways, so in that regard, they might even choose to buy smaller amounts of bitcoin in the beginning so that they can get used to the volatility.. and frequently guys should realize that investing with an amount that they can afford to lose is a good way to not get too attached to the amount, so in that way they purposefully choose a small enough amount that does not cause them concern if they ended up making some kind of a mistake that would end up causing them to lose most if not all of the money that they initially put in.

Nice idea, The easy way for newcomers  to learn in bitcoin investment is by starting with small amount without putting themselves under any unnecessary pressure, because when start with small amount they can afford. that gives them more chance, and confidence to understand how bitcoin really behaves and to experience its price movement without panicking, as they invest and continue learning, they become more comfortable with the volatility. gradually they can increase the amount they invest that is if their financial situation allows, the aim is not to rush or predict market but to develop good habits and build confidence to stay consistent over the long term. In my idea that approach is much better than trying to make perfect investments right from day one

[Umulala-alala]

Yes but not indepth. Good knowledge about votality, market trends and fund management isn't only for BTC traders but also for investors. This help them stay firm during a challenging period like this( during the dip) as they keep in mind that price aren't stay and can show a great move for dip or bull within seconds.

How do you expect a brand new investor to have a good knowledge about volatility when he's not investing. Will he start looking at the price of bitcoin often because he wants to have a good knowledge on volatility. That's useless because no one can predict the price of bitcoin or know the next market movement. A brand new investor doesn't need any knowledge on volatility he only just need to know that he's investing in a volatile asset which he will understand more as he's accumulating and learning at the same time.

If a brand new investor is not in the system or buying bitcoin he can't be able to know more about bitcoin that's just the simple truth because even if he decides to wait to learn he can still learn because he need to be doing the practical before he can understand better, what they need to start investing in BTC is just common sense and also having their discretionary income ready they can start with this and then learn through along the line or as they are consistently buying bitcoin.

[Charcol]

Yes but not indepth. Good knowledge about votality, market trends and fund management isn't only for BTC traders but also for investors. This help them stay firm during a challenging period like this( during the dip) as they keep in mind that price aren't stay and can show a great move for dip or bull within seconds.

 At what point will folks know they have gotten enough knowledge to start investing? Tbh i don't see why anyone has to understand all the things you mentioned before investing in Bitcoin. Just start with simple long term mindset and strategy, invest only what you can afford, and gradually gather experience along the way. Waiting until you fully understand volatility, market trends or fund management will only delay you from getting started

I'm not even sure it would take a new too long like months or so to understand Bitcoin so the important thing after figuring out how to buy is to get started and understand it better with time.

There is no end to what a person can know about Bitcoin. There are many things in Bitcoin that people have to spend years learning, including the new market conditions of Bitcoin, the mentality of holding, proper planning, cycles, self-custody, and security issues. But a new investor does not need to know these things. If they have discretionary income in their hands, then they can start without hesitation. Because learning does not stop after starting, but rather there is an opportunity to learn from real experience. If someone still does not know everything about his wallet, then he can start from the exchange and also gain knowledge from Bitcoin. There are many things to know about Bitcoin, but it is not recommended to start by learning them because it takes years to learn that subject. Losing so much time and opportunity is nothing but foolishness. Therefore, in the beginning, an investor is advised to start with his discretionary income. Then he can decide for himself what his plan should be. How long should he hold it, etc.

[Hardyrobust]

You really believe that investing requires knowledge about volatility, market trends and how to manage funds?

Yes but not indepth. Good knowledge about votality, market trends and fund management isn't only for BTC traders but also for investors. This help them stay firm during a challenging period like this( during the dip) as they keep in mind that price aren't stay and can show a great move for dip or bull within seconds.

 At what point will folks know they have gotten enough knowledge to start investing? Tbh i don't see why anyone has to understand all the things you mentioned before investing in Bitcoin. Just start with simple long term mindset and strategy, invest only what you can afford, and gradually gather experience along the way. Waiting until you fully understand volatility, market trends or fund management will only delay you from getting started

When a person has basic knowledge about Bitcoin and when they are able to find a source of discretionary income, they can start investing or we can say they have enough knowledge to start investing. The biggest step and the most necessary step is to start investing. When a person starts investing, they will be much ahead of the investment stage, compared to all those people who are waiting to gain knowledge to invest.

However, I would like to mention one thing from my personal point of view, it is better to keep our emergency fund at a minimum level when starting investing, but it is not mandatory. For example, when a person starts investing, he can divide his discretionary income into three levels and start investing. The reason for dividing the discretionary fund is so that we can move our investment, emergency fund, extra expenses money all in parallel.

you don't need to have enough knowledge before you can start accumulating bitcoin. Once you are able to figure out your discretionary income then you start accumlating. Those that often make excuses of waiting to acquire enough knowledge before they start buying bitcoin may end up not investing in bitcoin because the best way to learn about bitcoin is by investing in it. So all you need is to know whether you have discretionary income to investing in bitcoin and not enough knowledge as you may think.

[ZeroVinsonN]

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Most Bitcoin hodlers that call themselves investors are traders. This is because they sell their coin when they observe increase in price or little dip. A good knowledge about votality, market trend and fund management is required to be a good investor.

You really believe that investing requires knowledge about volatility, market trends and how to manage funds?  Do you need to know those things prior to starting to buy bitcoin?  And what do you consider the role of selling to be for an investor?

Investing in bitcoin doesn't require an investor to have knowledge about bitcoin volatility or market trends. An investor doesn't need to understand how volatility or market trends work before they can start accumulating bitcoin. The most important thing is if they can figure out there discretionary income, then they can start accumulating bitcoin. It is only those that are after quick profit or trading that should be bothered about knowing how volatility works or market trends. As for those that are investing in bitcoin with long term mindset, all they need to know is how to be able to figure out there discretionary income.

I support the idea that investing in Bitcoin does not necessarily imply that one must become an expert on volatility or technical analysis before starting the investment process. It is necessary first of all to assess your current financial situation and invest money which is not the part of your budget. It will make you consistent and will allow you to follow the plan without extra pressure on your budget.

For long-term investors, the short-term fluctuations do not present any obstacles; in fact, it is more like a path which has to be passed by the investor. In spite of the fact that certain knowledge about the cycles of the market may contribute to making better decisions and will help in gaining more confidence in future, it does not imply that this knowledge is necessary to start investing in Bitcoin.

If a newbie bitcoiner comes to bitcoin and spends a bit of time looking at bitcoin charts (even an hour or two), there can be a certain appreciation that the price direction of bitcoin is not very well known in the future, and even perhaps to recognize that bitcoin has a tendency to act in quite volatile ways, so in that regard, they might even choose to buy smaller amounts of bitcoin in the beginning so that they can get used to the volatility.. and frequently guys should realize that investing with an amount that they can afford to lose is a good way to not get too attached to the amount, so in that way they purposefully choose a small enough amount that does not cause them concern if they ended up making some kind of a mistake that would end up causing them to lose most if not all of the money that they initially put in.

Nice idea, The easy way for newcomers  to learn in bitcoin investment is by starting with small amount without putting themselves under any unnecessary pressure, because when start with small amount they can afford. that gives them more chance, and confidence to understand how bitcoin really behaves and to experience its price movement without panicking, as they invest and continue learning, they become more comfortable with the volatility. gradually they can increase the amount they invest that is if their financial situation allows, the aim is not to rush or predict market but to develop good habits and build confidence to stay consistent over the long term. In my idea that approach is much better than trying to make perfect investments right from day one

As a newbie who is starting out and doesn't fully trust bitcoin yet they can start investing with 1/3 of their discretionary income or even less and if they don't have their backup funds yet then another 1/3 of their discretionary income can be used to start setting that up as well, experience will improve confidence and over time of consistency they will have been able to move past their uncertainties to be able to accumulate without fear and also get the knowledge they wanted along side their investment as well.
Delay will not serve them in any productive way, it will only increase their doubts and make them even less susceptible to invest in bitcoin, the one sure say to be a bitcoin investor is to start buying bitcoin, using the discretionary income.

[JayJuanGee]

And what do you consider the role of selling to be for an investor?

Selling BTC within a short time doesn't come with good benefit for investors. Although, you might have sold at a price that suit you during bull or at lose during bear. In ever way, you are losing the opportunity that might come along with it if you have hodl for more year. So, it is quit encouraging to keep accumulating it  when opportunity arise than selling.

You believe that holding bitcoin more than a year makes a guy a bitcoin investor rather than a bitcoin trader?

[Halifat]

And what do you consider the role of selling to be for an investor?

Selling BTC within a short time doesn't come with good benefit for investors. Although, you might have sold at a price that suit you during bull or at lose during bear. In ever way, you are losing the opportunity that might come along with it if you have hodl for more year. So, it is quit encouraging to keep accumulating it  when opportunity arise than selling.

You believe that holding bitcoin more than a year makes a guy a bitcoin investor rather than a bitcoin trader?

On my own view i consider this person that hold bitcoin for more than a year as a bitcoin holder because they can not compare them with bitcoin Traders, so in Bitcoin Community this particular persons is also called HODLers. This can also be considered as a long-term investment.

When we talk of short-term investment this are the investors who buy Bitcoin for a very short time like days, week or month just to see small profit, so this are bitcoin traders.

[JayJuanGee]

And what do you consider the role of selling to be for an investor?

Selling BTC within a short time doesn't come with good benefit for investors. Although, you might have sold at a price that suit you during bull or at lose during bear. In ever way, you are losing the opportunity that might come along with it if you have hodl for more year. So, it is quit encouraging to keep accumulating it  when opportunity arise than selling.

You believe that holding bitcoin more than a year makes a guy a bitcoin investor rather than a bitcoin trader?

On my own view i consider this person that hold bitcoin for more than a year as a bitcoin holder because they can not compare them with bitcoin Traders, so in Bitcoin Community this particular persons is also called HODLers. This can also be considered as a long-term investment.

When we talk of short-term investment this are the investors who buy Bitcoin for a very short time like days, week or month just to see small profit, so this are bitcoin traders.

Personally, I consider guys who are investing less than 4 years to be traders rather than investors, since there are so many guys fucking around trying to play bitcoin cycles, which is likely an inferior practice, especially if they are relatively new to bitcoin and they are still in their early bitcoin accumulation years.  You likely don't know the difference between investing and trading if you are wanting to proclaim yourself (or whoever?) to be investors merely because you are planning to hold bitcoin for more than a year, but you have no fucking clue about developing an investment timeline that is 4-10 years or longer, and unless you are elderly or you have health concerns, it is probably best if you figured out ways to have your bitcoin investment timeline to be longer than 10 years...

...so it seems that you have not really come to understand what is investing and you think that if you flip your bitcoin at a later point, perhaps with an intention to buy back cheaper, then you have been investing merely because you held the bitcoin for more than a year.  You seem a bit lost to me, especially in your understanding of the difference between investing (and likely wealth building) versus fucking around with trading and proclaiming yourself to be an investor when you are not....

but hey do what you like.  Gamble away while proclaiming yourself to be an investor.   

[Halifat]

And what do you consider the role of selling to be for an investor?

Selling BTC within a short time doesn't come with good benefit for investors. Although, you might have sold at a price that suit you during bull or at lose during bear. In ever way, you are losing the opportunity that might come along with it if you have hodl for more year. So, it is quit encouraging to keep accumulating it  when opportunity arise than selling.

You believe that holding bitcoin more than a year makes a guy a bitcoin investor rather than a bitcoin trader?

On my own view i consider this person that hold bitcoin for more than a year as a bitcoin holder because they can not compare them with bitcoin Traders, so in Bitcoin Community this particular persons is also called HODLers. This can also be considered as a long-term investment.

When we talk of short-term investment this are the investors who buy Bitcoin for a very short time like days, week or month just to see small profit, so this are bitcoin traders.

Personally, I consider guys who are investing less than 4 years to be traders rather than investors, since there are so many guys fucking around trying to play bitcoin cycles, which is likely an inferior practice, especially if they are relatively new to bitcoin and they are still in their early bitcoin accumulation years.  You likely don't know the difference between investing and trading if you are wanting to proclaim yourself (or whoever?) to be investors merely because you are planning to hold bitcoin for more than a year, but you have no fucking clue about developing an investment timeline that is 4-10 years or longer, and unless you are elderly or you have health concerns, it is probably best if you figured out ways to have your bitcoin investment timeline to be longer than 10 years...

...so it seems that you have not really come to understand what is investing and you think that if you flip your bitcoin at a later point, perhaps with an intention to buy back cheaper, then you have been investing merely because you held the bitcoin for more than a year.  You seem a bit lost to me, especially in your understanding of the difference between investing (and likely wealth building) versus fucking around with trading and proclaiming yourself to be an investor when you are not....

but hey do what you like.  Gamble away while proclaiming yourself to be an investor.   

I personally also consider investing less than 4 years as a trader rather than an investor, I get your point correctly and I understand your explanation clearly, just that everyone explain their things based on their understanding because the more than a year that I said simply means it's can extend up to 10 years or more, i don't encourage anyone to invest bitcoin in a period of a year because I don't think it's going to be a very good idea.

More than a year can be up to 10 years or more, assume I specify it then I will say it is a very short time but based on my own explanation, I simply means more than a year which will exceed up to 10 years or more.

[The Founding Titan]

And what do you consider the role of selling to be for an investor?

Selling BTC within a short time doesn't come with good benefit for investors. Although, you might have sold at a price that suit you during bull or at lose during bear. In ever way, you are losing the opportunity that might come along with it if you have hodl for more year. So, it is quit encouraging to keep accumulating it  when opportunity arise than selling.

You believe that holding bitcoin more than a year makes a guy a bitcoin investor rather than a bitcoin trader?

A year is no where near enough for someone to call themselves bitcoin investors, it's not half of a cycle, anyone who plans on only holding for a year should definitely not consider themselves to be investors, there is no point in lying to themselves about what they are doing, even 4 years is no the short side of long term, if people actually want to invest in bitcoin then they will have hold for even longer than that, traders should stop masquerading themselves as investors.

[BluebloodCXVI]

And what do you consider the role of selling to be for an investor?

Selling BTC within a short time doesn't come with good benefit for investors. Although, you might have sold at a price that suit you during bull or at lose during bear. In ever way, you are losing the opportunity that might come along with it if you have hodl for more year. So, it is quit encouraging to keep accumulating it  when opportunity arise than selling.

You believe that holding bitcoin more than a year makes a guy a bitcoin investor rather than a bitcoin trader?

On my own view i consider this person that hold bitcoin for more than a year as a bitcoin holder because they can not compare them with bitcoin Traders, so in Bitcoin Community this particular persons is also called HODLers. This can also be considered as a long-term investment.

When we talk of short-term investment this are the investors who buy Bitcoin for a very short time like days, week or month just to see small profit, so this are bitcoin traders.

Just because a person has been holding bitcoin for over a year doesn’t automatically make them a HODLer; what if the person is holding it simply because they are waiting for a better price to sell it at huh?..You need to be able to intentionally hold your bitcoin through both the bull and the bear season because you believe in the long term value of bitcoin before you can be considered as a HODler. I think it’s better to describe a HODLer based on their mindset, intentions of holding and their conviction rather than using a specific timeframe as the definition of a who a HODLer is.

[MyWarLord]

Yes, mental and behavioural control are just as important as financial management and risk management in investing.  Managing fear, greed, panic selling, FOMO, because all these are not as easy as it sound.  Even learned investors still cannot be completely relaxed when there's a dip, that's because the mind is involved.

Only those who are strong enough to control all these despite the pressure can make it through.  So, risk management, financial management and behavioural control are all important, if one is missing the others can't save you.

[Bigjoe33]

And what do you consider the role of selling to be for an investor?

Selling BTC within a short time doesn't come with good benefit for investors. Although, you might have sold at a price that suit you during bull or at lose during bear. In ever way, you are losing the opportunity that might come along with it if you have hodl for more year. So, it is quit encouraging to keep accumulating it  when opportunity arise than selling.

You believe that holding bitcoin more than a year makes a guy a bitcoin investor rather than a bitcoin trader?

No way JJ! How would he even think that? A year is just 12 months and may not have any significant effect on the price movement of Bitcoin. Due to its fluctuations, we must think long term HODLing, and a year is nothing near or to be mentioned. A long term holder must be able to buy and HODL Bitcoin at least 4-10 years or above. You should at least HODL for a circle, which is 4 years, yet, there is no guarantee that HODLing just for a circle will yield positive turn ups, hence, people HODL longer, even up to 2-3-4 or even more circles.

On my own view i consider this person that hold bitcoin for more than a year as a bitcoin holder because they can not compare them with bitcoin Traders, so in Bitcoin Community this particular persons is also called HODLers. This can also be considered as a long-term investment.

When we talk of short-term investment this are the investors who buy Bitcoin for a very short time like days, week or month just to see small profit, so this are bitcoin traders.

Halifat, your statement shows nothing but of a wrong investment mentality, and to an extent a trader mindset. You think that HODLing for just a year and maybe two months or so added is enough to be referred to as a Bitcoin investor? What then happens to your coins if you Hold for a year and few months? Would you rather sell and buy again or would you keep holding?

Even an investor who Holds Bitcoin just for 2 years and sells isn't a real investor, but can be termed as a trader because 2 years may not be enough to be called an investor. Investors HODL for 4-10 years or above. Just keep HODLing

[NewRevelation]

Yes, mental and behavioural control are just as important as financial management and risk management in investing.  Managing fear, greed, panic selling, FOMO, because all these are not as easy as it sound.  Even learned investors still cannot be completely relaxed when there's a dip, that's because the mind is involved.

Only those who are strong enough to control all these despite the pressure can make it through.  So, risk management, financial management and behavioural control are all important, if one is missing the others can't save you.

All things been equal, you need a solid emergency funds and other back up funds to be able to HODL longer too. I know the mind and money is involved, thus, a high level of control is needed to be able to HODL longer. But then again, if an investor is able to put things in place rightly, like ensuring a strong back up funds, proper income management and then allocate properly, I think these things gives him an edge over the fears of the Dip, plus an investment mindset.

You believe that holding bitcoin more than a year makes a guy a bitcoin investor rather than a bitcoin trader?

What's a year compared to 1-2 circles(4-8years), yet, there is no assurance of what Bitcoin might be in those years of HODLing. Perhaps, holding for just a year or just few years doesn't make you an investor but still a trader. Why the rush to sell? People even HODL upto 2-3 or even more circles.

[sotelorene]

And what do you consider the role of selling to be for an investor?

Selling BTC within a short time doesn't come with good benefit for investors. Although, you might have sold at a price that suit you during bull or at lose during bear. In ever way, you are losing the opportunity that might come along with it if you have hodl for more year. So, it is quit encouraging to keep accumulating it  when opportunity arise than selling.

You believe that holding bitcoin more than a year makes a guy a bitcoin investor rather than a bitcoin trader?

On my own view i consider this person that hold bitcoin for more than a year as a bitcoin holder because they can not compare them with bitcoin Traders, so in Bitcoin Community this particular persons is also called HODLers. This can also be considered as a long-term investment.

When we talk of short-term investment this are the investors who buy Bitcoin for a very short time like days, week or month just to see small profit, so this are bitcoin traders.

Just because a person has been holding bitcoin for over a year doesn’t automatically make them a HODLer; what if the person is holding it simply because they are waiting for a better price to sell it at huh?..You need to be able to intentionally hold your bitcoin through both the bull and the bear season because you believe in the long term value of bitcoin before you can be considered as a HODler. I think it’s better to describe a HODLer based on their mindset, intentions of holding and their conviction rather than using a specific timeframe as the definition of a who a HODLer is.

There is no need to bother if  someone is trying to prove a point that they are investor when they are not because the market will decide for them whether they are actually long term holder or they are just swing in swing out ( to make profit which is the mindset of every traders), because one funny thing about the market is that it will test your patient and mental health to see if you are actually a long term investor, emotional person or trader ( short term Investor) so don't bother yourself.

[liasbaa]

And what do you consider the role of selling to be for an investor?

Selling BTC within a short time doesn't come with good benefit for investors. Although, you might have sold at a price that suit you during bull or at lose during bear. In ever way, you are losing the opportunity that might come along with it if you have hodl for more year. So, it is quit encouraging to keep accumulating it  when opportunity arise than selling.

You believe that holding bitcoin more than a year makes a guy a bitcoin investor rather than a bitcoin trader?

On my own view i consider this person that hold bitcoin for more than a year as a bitcoin holder because they can not compare them with bitcoin Traders, so in Bitcoin Community this particular persons is also called HODLers. This can also be considered as a long-term investment.

When we talk of short-term investment this are the investors who buy Bitcoin for a very short time like days, week or month just to see small profit, so this are bitcoin traders.

Just because a person has been holding bitcoin for over a year doesn’t automatically make them a HODLer; what if the person is holding it simply because they are waiting for a better price to sell it at huh?..You need to be able to intentionally hold your bitcoin through both the bull and the bear season because you believe in the long term value of bitcoin before you can be considered as a HODler. I think it’s better to describe a HODLer based on their mindset, intentions of holding and their conviction rather than using a specific timeframe as the definition of a who a HODLer is.

There is no need to bother if  someone is trying to prove a point that they are investor when they are not because the market will decide for them whether they are actually long term holder or they are just swing in swing out ( to make profit which is the mindset of every traders), because one funny thing about the market is that it will test your patient and mental health to see if you are actually a long term investor, emotional person or trader ( short term Investor) so don't bother yourself.

You mean that the kind of action performed by a person will result in its result. I also believe in this very much but I refrain from being too confident about short term traders because their motives are not based on any foundation. They are in a state of floating because their motives are emotional and mostly short term profit.

If you evaluate the matter of long term investors, they are engaged in accumulating Bitcoin with discipline from the beginning of the investment and at every price point. There is a sincere effort among them to establish the investment on a strong foundation by accumulating Bitcoin regularly.

You mentioned the funny thing about the market but I do not find it funny. In view of the situation where the market price is unstable and always moving, the more patient you are and can accumulate Bitcoin regularly, the greater the amount of your reward will be.