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Today at 05:00:04 AM
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I think both sides are emphasizing different stages of the same journey. Getting started is important because experience teaches lessons that theory alone cannot. At the same time, a beginner should not mistake start now for start blindly.
Before buying Bitcoin, knowing the basics,like why Bitcoin exists, its volatility, self-custody, and only investing discretionary income helps prevent avoidable mistakes. You don't need expert-level knowledge, but you should understand enough to make an informed decision.After that, learning and accumulating can happen simultaneously. In my view, investment and education should complement each other, not compete. Starting with a small DCA while continuously learning strikes a balance between avoiding analysis paralysis and avoiding unnecessary mistakes.
There is value in starting out slowly and learning as you go, but there is no need to know why bitcoin exists, its volatility and/or self custody, before starting, since those can be learned as you go, and also if you don't know those things, the beginner can choose to start out with buying $30 in bitcoin rather than $100.  It is his choice, and he does not have to learn the things that you mentioned as long as he determines that he has discretionary funds, he can get started buying bitcoin, adjust his starting position to his comfort level and study as he goes.
I completely understand now,I presumed it's important you have those knowledge before you start because knowing those things I listed don't necessarily have to take time(could be between few hours)

How do you know how much time it takes for someone to learn any particular thing and become comfortable with the thing that they learn.

In the end, we have individual human judgement, and they should be able to make determinations in regards to what they know or do not know and the extent to which their knowledge or lack of knowledge needs to be taken into account in regards to whether or not they start buying bitcoin and how much bitcoin they end up choosing to buy in their first purchase.

, just information that could guild the chioces you'll make before you start

You are making up categories that are not needed and the person can decide if they need to know that or not, and for example, if they look at the bitcoin price chart and they spend 2 minutes looking at it, then they can determine if they sufficiently understand the volatility or not, and maybe if they are concerned about how volatile it might be, then they might choose to put an amount of money into bitcoin that they can afford to lose so that they are not overly attached to whether the BTC price goes up, down or sideways within the timeline that they are learning more about bitcoin and before they decide to make their next BTC purchase, whether that is weekly or within some other period of time.

and as you go through bitcoin investment but it's obvious discretionary income is very important at the point to start up.

Of course, there is a need to use discretionary money, and discretionary money means that they can use that money for whatever they want including but not limited to burning it in a trashcan.  Discretionary means they have choices of how to use the money.

Many times we talk about discretionary funds in terms of their being able to be used to invest, save or discretionarily consume.  If a person knows that he has $100 in discretionary funds every week, he could decide to put $33.33 in each of the three categories or he could choose some other allocation.  It is up to him.

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Today at 05:36:40 AM
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Between investment and trading which one is more comparable to gambling? I definitely agree that trading isn't gambling but when compared to investing in bitcoin one can say that trading is much closer to gambling than investing is, there's risk involved in everything thing that we do and that includes bitcoin investment which is why we should invest with money we can afford to lose because the chances that we are going to lose it might not be high compared to the chance of success but it is still not zero but those chances are much higher with trading, it's much easier to lose your money to it than to gain from it making it more comparable to gambling than bitcoin investment is.
A Bitcoin investor usually builds holdings for 4-10 years or more by buying from his discretionary income. His main goal is not to predict the price movement of the next few hours or weeks. And to me, trading is a kind of gambling. Where a person is constantly buying and selling Bitcoin. Especially when someone wants to sell Bitcoin and buy it lower, he is betting on an uncertain future price, leaving the certain Bitcoin in his hand. And having some success in Bitcoin trading creates a lot of confidence. Which later leads to over-aggressive trading mindset. This causes them to lose a lot of money. Trading and gambling are exactly the same thing in my opinion . Rather, trading works more dangerously in some cases. That is why in the case of Bitcoin, you should move forward with the mindset of investing regularly and holding for a long time.

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Today at 06:54:39 AM
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I think both sides are emphasizing different stages of the same journey. Getting started is important because experience teaches lessons that theory alone cannot. At the same time, a beginner should not mistake start now for start blindly.
Before buying Bitcoin, knowing the basics,like why Bitcoin exists, its volatility, self-custody, and only investing discretionary income helps prevent avoidable mistakes. You don't need expert-level knowledge, but you should understand enough to make an informed decision.After that, learning and accumulating can happen simultaneously. In my view, investment and education should complement each other, not compete. Starting with a small DCA while continuously learning strikes a balance between avoiding analysis paralysis and avoiding unnecessary mistakes.

There is value in starting out slowly and learning as you go, but there is no need to know why bitcoin exists, its volatility and/or self custody, before starting, since those can be learned as you go, and also if you don't know those things, the beginner can choose to start out with buying $30 in bitcoin rather than $100.  It is his choice, and he does not have to learn the things that you mentioned as long as he determines that he has discretionary funds, he can get started buying bitcoin, adjust his starting position to his comfort level and study as he goes.
If they are still starting out they can decide to use a much smaller percentage of the discretionary income to invest in bitcoin, that percentage can be increased later on when they've gotten a better handle on what bitcoin is but they shouldn't delay they investment because the think they still have more to learn about bitcoin, starting slowly and increasing how much they invest with time, it will be a good way to also build experience, something they will never get if they spend all their time trying to learn.

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Today at 10:34:19 AM
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I think both sides are emphasizing different stages of the same journey. Getting started is important because experience teaches lessons that theory alone cannot. At the same time, a beginner should not mistake start now for start blindly.
Before buying Bitcoin, knowing the basics,like why Bitcoin exists, its volatility, self-custody, and only investing discretionary income helps prevent avoidable mistakes. You don't need expert-level knowledge, but you should understand enough to make an informed decision.After that, learning and accumulating can happen simultaneously. In my view, investment and education should complement each other, not compete. Starting with a small DCA while continuously learning strikes a balance between avoiding analysis paralysis and avoiding unnecessary mistakes.
While it is important to learn the things you mentioned, it is not mandatory to learn everything before starting. If someone has discretionary income, then they can feel free to start. If someone waits for years to learn the basics, then it may not be a good decision. You are right that expert level knowledge is not required. However, if someone sits with an excuse to learn the basics, then they may regret it later. If someone does not know about their own wallet, self-custody, scams, then they can start with small amounts from the exchange and at the same time learn the basics gradually. In this, they get the opportunity to learn from real experience.
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Today at 11:00:35 AM
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I think both sides are emphasizing different stages of the same journey. Getting started is important because experience teaches lessons that theory alone cannot. At the same time, a beginner should not mistake start now for start blindly.
Before buying Bitcoin, knowing the basics,like why Bitcoin exists, its volatility, self-custody, and only investing discretionary income helps prevent avoidable mistakes. You don't need expert-level knowledge, but you should understand enough to make an informed decision.After that, learning and accumulating can happen simultaneously. In my view, investment and education should complement each other, not compete. Starting with a small DCA while continuously learning strikes a balance between avoiding analysis paralysis and avoiding unnecessary mistakes.

There is value in starting out slowly and learning as you go, but there is no need to know why bitcoin exists, its volatility and/or self custody, before starting, since those can be learned as you go, and also if you don't know those things, the beginner can choose to start out with buying $30 in bitcoin rather than $100.  It is his choice, and he does not have to learn the things that you mentioned as long as he determines that he has discretionary funds, he can get started buying bitcoin, adjust his starting position to his comfort level and study as he goes.
I completely understand now,I presumed it's important you have those knowledge before you start because knowing those things I listed don't necessarily have to take time(could be between few hours), just information that could guild the chioces you'll make before you start and as you go through bitcoin investment but it's obvious discretionary income is very important at the point to start up.
You presumed wrong, you definitely don't need to know why bitcoin exists, how volatile it can be and even know about self custody before you can start buying, all of these knowledge always come later, what you should prioritize is your investment and all you need to do it is your discretionary income, once you've been able to figure that out you can start investing and then while you are already investing you can then try to learn other things that are involved but you absolutely don't need to before you can start buying bitcoin.

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